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Please stop banging on about JLo (45,021) by Anonymous from
Get the point about JLo, change the subject now. She's getting so much air time on this website. It's as if I'm in a JLo forum. Flip the switch, please.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 12:21)
J.Lo on Wendy / Mariah's "Marilyn persona" (45,020) by Tiina from Finland
I watched that episode of Wendy with J.Lo as well and the entire time I was thinking why isn't Mariah sitting there promoting her album and chit chatting away, having a heart to heart as a woman? I've never cared for J.Lo because the woman can't sing, sorry, but one thing is for sure, she's got it going on even still after all these years. She's very down to earth and funny. Very likeable. And she hussles like no other. To go on Wendy was a brilliant idea because like it or not, Wendy is hot right now. The couple interviews MC's had with Wendy on radio are her best. She was honest and funny on her show because Wendy is all about questions that get to the point and real discussion. Most interviewers are afraid they're going to say something that Mariah the legend won't handle. And about Mariah being like Marilyn. No, Mariah should take note from Marilyn that she's loved even after 50+ years after her death because she was the most humane star of them all. People love Marilyn because she was real and sensitive, even nervous. Mariah's been through a lot in her life like MM, it's that humane side of her we love, the survivor. If she's really insecure then why doesn't she show us that side? It's ok to be human. Arrogance is a turn off no matter how big of a legend you are.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 11:24)
Edward (45,018) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
Thanks man. It's not like me (or fans like me) get any fun from criticizing MC and Lord have mercy, go ahead and say that MC should behave the way JLo does in interviews but we do so only because we wish nothing but the best for Mariah. Like you mentioned, Mariah is not just a singer she is brand which includes her attitude. We can't isolate the two. People fell in love with Mariah years back because they loved her voice and because they loved how humble and relatable she was. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the diva act occasionally, and I will once in a while indulge in some of the terms she uses, but it's not always fun. I was also talking about the Wendy, Andy Cohen and Fallon. In all of these JLo looks like she is so excited, jokes about herself and her mom, answers directly and all. She doesn't pretend the interviews are boring and that she is tired of answering same questions. I look at the screen and I am like "I dislike your music but you are a charming person". Basically JLo made sure her image stays positive, you hear these diva rumors but you see her and you are like heck I can just go and talk to her, so sweet. With Mariah nowadays it's like she says she isn't a diva but you see her everytime on and you think wow ok she's grand. One funny thing I noticed, previously when asked if she is a diva Mariah would go on saying she isn't, that there are 2 kinds of diva and that she is not the second kind. But nowadays she doesn't even say it, she is now almost a self proclaimed diva and readying Monroe's image as a diva for the public too.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 10:12)
Lamb O Chop (45,017) by Bill from the UK
Lol, I haven't justified what J.Lo did. It was very uncool and underhanded that she used a sample Mariah was going to use and that she took other elements of the Glitter album for her own. I don't agree with what she did at all. My point is that Mariah was just as bad (worse even) in the early 90s. You say J.Lo's sabotage is a "fact", well then so is Mariah being sued by certain songwriters for using their work without permission and settling out of court. It's your refusal to acknowledge that which is the issue here (still calling it inspiration rather than stealing). The point is that we as fans can not sit here bad mouthing J.Lo when Mariah herself acted just as underhanded. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If Mariah had a clean record I'd be with you, but she hasn't.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 10:06)
JLo, sampling, "Lambs" shading Mariah (45,016) by SiahhBailon from USA
I am a big fan of Jennifer Lopez same as Mariah. I loved Jennifer, I knew who Mariah was. I don't know why people believe the media, Mariah and Jennifer never had a feud, Mariah even talked about it in an interview (found on YouTube) that things that she supposedly said weren't said at all. And I bet most of you don't read the credits on Mariah's albums that do say that the samples she's used were all given permission by either the writer or producer of the song that she samples, even if it's not her directly. What people don't know is that Jennifer writes some songs, not all but some. Now on to these so called "lambs" I don't know how you people can call yourselves fans of Mariah when all you do is shade her 24/7. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. You people bitched that there was no tracklisting, no cover art, no title, no nothing before anything was announced and then as soon as they were released you people bitched again "I hate the title", "that cover is soo photoshopped she's not skinny anymore" like who cares. I'm just happy we got a new album. Even though you people don't deserve it. You people gotta remember she is a mother now, her children come before anyone including her fans. Back off her. Stop bitching and grow up. I swear. Ungrateful people.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 9:28)
Re: Adam stealing vs. sampling (45,015) by nikki from usa
Mottola separated from his wife legally before meeting Mariah, so no she didn't split them up. He needed a star and she wanted to be one. They had a professional relationship, they didn't start off dating. He divorced Lisa Clarke in 1990 before pursuing a relationship with Mariah which he openly admitted in his memoirs. Nice try though. Those Allure statements you made are not in Allure magazine, it's gossip fodder that's never been confirmed or denied by anyone. If you believe that gossip than you're also going to have to believe the gossip that J.Lo banged Mottola for 3 months to get her record deal. Irv Gotti is the producer for both records from both artists and Ja Rule was on both tracks who were present with J.Lo's theft of If We. They witnessed her part in it and yes she was aware. She used a sample, and that's not illegal, nor is it the "theft" referred to. That sample was meant for Loverboy, and MC found another one. The theft is for If We. Mariah didn't steal someone else's concept. She was new to the business, still young, and didn't understand legalities. Unlike J.Lo, Mariah paid up for it and righted the wrong. J.Lo was 31, with Mottola, watching music while it was being created and put it out herself before Mariah could. Which is why MC couldn't take any legal action, but Ja Rule and Irv Gotti vindicated her.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 6:24)
Thoughts / Edward / Bill (45,014) by Stacey from USA
A new album is out and we are discussing J-Lo? Ebonics? The reason I haven't posted much lately is I'm too busy enjoying the album. Wise up and spend more time on things that matter. Geez. Edward, thank you for posting the no rap version. Wale doesn't bother as much having listened to the song so much, lol. His raps are kinda cute and fit the song. However, I am just thrilled there is a no rap version out there. Now, if I can just get my hands on a legal download of the song, I'll be set. Bill, thank you for your candid thoughts on using samples. Every artist has bent the rules at one point. Mariah is no different.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 5:38)
Mariah's best interview (45,013) by Ian James from Sabah, Malaysia



The whole discussion about Mariah's incoherence in recent interviews reminded me of this interview. It is frustrating to know that she used to be so eloquent and articulate. The other interview that I really like is the one she had with Larry King in 2002.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 5:34)
Bill (45,012) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia
I'm not missing the point and I did read up on the subject. I get that you are equating Mariah not getting clearance to sample a song to Tommy and J.Lo's sabotage. I just beg differ that they were the same. As I explained in the prior post, I can see the line being blurred between recreating a sound and sampling at that time since the beats though similar weren't identical (Robin Thicke is going through the same scenario with Blurred Lines sounding similar to Marvin Gaye's Got To Give It Up). I really don't think MC had malicious intent. Legally she was wrong and she paid the price. It still doesn't justify or excuses Tommy's blatant malicious sabotage to her career. I don't feel that the term "dose of her own medicine" was a fair assessment of the situation. I'm willing to agree to disagree. I'm over it. Everybody does hate Mariah, "she a drunk, bitter, washed up legend that got what's coming to her" that's what the world is thinking. She can't change people minds even if she had a televised love fest with J.Lo, Nicki, Tommy and a special heart to heart with Eminem. So it is what it is. Everyone can feel as they please. *throwing the towel in* Peace.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 5:07)
Do you remember "The Lambs' lullaby"? (45,011) by Edward from USA
When Mariah Carey was going through tough times and was admitted to the hospital due to exhaustion back in 2001, some French fans wrote a song called "Lambs Lullaby" that goes along with the "Looking In" music. I was going through my Mp3s today, and I found it. I'm posting the lyrics down below. If you would like to hear it, just send me an email to b_terius@yahoo.com

We look at you and see the girl
Who lives inside the golden world
But don't believe
That's all that our heart sees
Get rid of your melancholy

You look at us and see the fans
Who scream your name, dazzle your eyes
But don't believe
That's all there is to see
Then you will find your dignity

In our eyes you'll always find your soul
Forget this burden on your shoulders
Don't fear to lose yourself, fall asleep
Your lambs watch over you

Release yourself from your own jail
It's time for us to give it back to you
Turn our love into stability
Your light will shine eternally
Your smile will be reality
Spread your wings and you'll be free
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 4:45)
Mmmh (45,010) by Badr from USA
"They are however in the same camp for using other people's ideas without permission." I wonder if it's worth dignifying your comment with an answer. Can I suggest not talking about Mrs. Lopez? She should be irrelevant.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 3:33)
GG. (45,000) (45,009) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia
Exactly and that wasn't cool or okay by any means. I find it appalling that some of her "fans" are blowing it off and justifying what happened. The sabotage is a proven fact, why are we even debating about it. Okay I digress now.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 3:10)
YDKWTD non rap version (45,008) by Edward from USA



I'm loving it. Even though I enjoy the Wale's part too.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 3:04)
One last thing (45,007) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia
Mariah hasn't even mentioned anything about J.Lo In years. It's been the media, J.Lo, and it's that's been mentioning the feud. So I'm sure Mariah is passed it now.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 2:29)
Diva attitude (45,006) by Dove from USA
Sometimes I like the diva attitude, I think its funny and cute. What I don't like is that she almost always looks a hot mess. She always wears those long mermaid dresses and they don't look good. She's apeoplee shaped, her hips are not wide enough and her waist is not small enough. Even in the 90s when she was underweight she had an aple shape. She should wear knee length dresses that show off her amazing calfs and shoes. Also, her boobs arent looking that great in real life so she would benefit from covering them up. I think tight dresses would look good because they would aaccentuate her figure. The most flattering haircut and color on her is the one she has in the Honey remix video. Unless she's wearing a gown, in that case away from her face on the sides but with sideswept bangs. The colors that look best with her currently tan skin are of the autumn palette. I think if she looked her best all the time and had a kind, sweet, and humble attitude like she did in the beginning, it would benefit her. Look how it's helped Britney Spears and Taylor Swift.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 2:19)
Lamb O Chop (45,005) by Bill from the UK
I think you're missing the point. I agree that Jennifer Lopez is not anywhere near the league Mariah is in, in terms of vocal and song writing ability. They are however in the same camp for using other people's ideas without permission. Just like Mariah never sought permission from the writers for her use of Best Of My Love and I Want To Thank You, J.Lo never sought Mariah's permission to use Firecracker (though it was never Mariah's permission to give, it's really a question about the songwriter's integrity as to why they would allow J.Lo use it after giving Mariah clearance months prior). Still you refuse to acknowledge Mariah's wrongdoing, still referring to it as "inspiration" and blaming Tommy. Last time I checked he didn't have a song writing credit on either song. Read up on it, the songwriter sued Mariah (saying "sampling is one thing, but she took the whole song") so it was clearly more than a homage to the group.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 2:04)
YDKWTD (45,004) by Dove from USA
I too was disappointed with the cover. WTH? You can see her neck bone, like her head was turned. I know she didn't choose it but what is going on? It's time for Mimi to move on from these people trying to sabatoge her.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 2:04)
MCEO (45,003) by Dove from USA
I hope Mariah does on her own and starts her own production company with brand new people. The people she's with now are satisfied with mediocrity and that won't do. She should have a nice long vacation with Oprah and pick her brain. I love the album.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 2:00)
Negativity (45,002) by G.G. from USA
I, myself, have been critical of how the album promo has been handled and some of MC's incoherent interviews, but there is a lot of negativity being thrown Mariah's way lately. I'm starting to feel bad for her. I visit a couple of other celebrity/music blogs and commenters there have nothing nice to say about her and now it's feeling that way on this site too. The other sites/blogs I visit obviously don't like Mariah, because their owners never post a nice article about MC.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 1:57)
JLo (45,001) by Dove from USA
Can we stop talking about Jennifer Lopez? It's boring. Not to be a hater, and yeah, JLo seems like a nice person, but she is not a meteorite like Mariah. It annoys me that she thinks she's in the same catagory. Mariah is the Beatles and JLo is The Turtles. In 50 years nobody will know who JLo is.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 1:54)
Bill from UK (45,000) by G.G. from USA
And anyone else debating about the stolen sample. It wasn't just one sample. It was concepts (plural) of Mariah's album, Glitter, that she had to last minute change because certain people were trying to sabotage her and build their own career.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 1:41)
(Re: Mimi) JLo / Luis Miguel and other divas (44,999) by Edward from USA
Mimi, I agree with you 100%. JLo won't ever be musically at Mariah's level, but she definitely projects a more likable image on interviews. I saw her on Wendy Williams, and it was refreshing seeing her genuinely laughing and talking on the show. You would never think this woman has a big ego. What I don't quite understand is why Mariah never put her diva act back when she was hot, instead of now when most people think she's arrogant. This Marilyn persona is getting ridiculous now. Mariah is a brand, that is not only music now, it is a complete package, and one thing definitely affects the other. I'm Latino, and never liked Luis Miguel's attitude in the media, even though I still listened to him, most of my family refused to because of his diva attitude, yes, Luis Miguel thinks that his feces don't stink, and you can count with the fingers of a one-hand man the interviews he's ever given, but he is a powerful and great vocalist, and they can't take that way from him. I have observed that many people didn't buy his music because of his attitude, including my father.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 1:20)
Public image (44,998) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia
I agree people hate Mariah, they have the wrong impression blah blah blah whatever, but at this point what are you gonna do? I mean we have the Nicki fans, Eminem fans, Ariana fans, and even some of our very own lambily with their pitchforks ready for her. There's no winning them over by playing nice now. I say she should just stop doing interviews, promote her music and allow that to speak for itself. Then retire because nobody really has her back anyway.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 1:08)
Bill from the UK (44,997) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia
In no way did I try to justify Mariah sampling without permission. Clearly Emotions was "inspired" by Best Of My Love (I even hear a little bit of "Devotion" by Earth, Wind, And Fire in the melody). However though it sounds very similar it's not the exact same beat. Having said that I can understand how that line between sampling and recreating the same sound can be blurred especially during the early 90s, when it was still a fairly new trend. Regardless MC ultimately paid the price and learned a valuable lesson. You're acting like Mariah and J.Lo are the same and they're not. Mariah is a true artist and though she sampled sounds atleast she brought something to the table: her originality with lyrics, melody, and vocals. J.Lo just received handouts from Tommy, who stole from Mariah's creativity. I would be frustrated too if I put an idea together only to have it snacked away from someone who's not nearly as talented or creative. I blame J.Lo because she didn't care and acted oblivious to what happened. She's still using Mariah's ideas (amongst other people) working with the same people and trying to use the same formulas. I just don't respect her as an artist at all sorry. To each it's own, but they're not in the same category. No blinders it's clear to me.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 0:53)
YDKWTD cover / is it that serious? (44,996) by Edward from USA
I'm glad that they have finally announced the YDKWTD as the next single, that's what matters to me. I do care whether there would be a version of the song without Wale, and the remixes. I don't really care about the cover of the single, whether it is being airbrushed properly or not. When I don't like a cover, since it is a digital picture, I remove it from the mp3, and add a picture that I like. I deleted those Candies from YM(E), and replace them with something different that didn't scream I'm a girly girl. I also removed the Rainbow's cover and replaced it with a picture of her face that doesn't scream I'm diva galore. I don't like the reaction of people when they see all these pictures popping up on my phone when I'm searching through music while riding the subway, that's why I use an application to make it look good. I think Mariah is really sexy, but it is getting corny with all these look-at-me I'm sexy pictures.
(Sunday 22 June 2014; 0:50)

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