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Maybe, just maybe (51,304) by Edward from USA Maybe Mariah is still looking kind of bloated because of the medication she's taking for her injury. I noticed that when she started promotion for "#Beautiful", back in 2013, she looked stunning, as thin as she was when she sung "AIWFCIY" at Jimmy Fallon. Then she dislocated her shoulder, and started gaining weight. I personally think she shouldn't go to Vegas looking the way she looked on "The Elusive Chanteuse" tour, but if she can't help it for medical reasons, I completely support her taking care of what's most important, her health. (Thursday 2 April 2015; 2:18)

Re: Ty (51,303) by Ardis Logic from Earth Your quote "at least they could make her look beautiful if she was in shape". WTF? Seriously? That is really insulting. There are a very small percentage of humans on this earth that are "in shape". Just because Mariah is not tight and toned to the max, does not mean she can not be made to look beautiful. You are seriously delusional if you believe that, and I truly feel sorry for someone so ignorant. I don't care how many times you have met Mariah, that is just a horrible thing to say. (Thursday 2 April 2015; 2:00)

Re: The fans (51,302) by MCLAFAN from USA [...] LC. She has gained weight and lost weight for years, I'm sure she'll drop weight for the shows. Her voice is stellar, she sings her ass off still, not every occasion, but when the moment is right her notes are great. Her "dahling" stuff is just an act, she's having fun. She respects members of Hollywood that respect her. That's why you only see her on Ellen, Letterman, Fallon, Today Show. When she hits radio again [censored] will praise her like 1997 Mariah. I'm not delusional, I have opinions also but Mariah Carey treats her fans better than most artists. She genuinely cares. She lost the man she loved, she has a right to have fun/be a little thick. A true lamb knows that [...] Mariah focuses on her career. Her hand is still [...]. Gloves remind her of exercises she has to do to strengthen it. Nerve damage doesn't heal in a day and that's the [...] arm that has carpal tunnel I think. I had foot surgery,it took 2 [...] to heal my foot.You [censored] are the definition of haters, spread rumors and talk crap about stuff you [...]. If you don't know why she does something then just keep [...] mouths shut, wait for confirmation from MC or her team. The public loves to bash Mariah but they also love to [...]. She's all over social media/tv lately. She had a hit in 2013, it's gonna happen again and then you will be eating your words or hating [...] because [...] a lot of you will find stuff that doesn't meet your requirements of [...]. (Thursday 2 April 2015; 1:12)

LC in the USA (51,301) by MIAM from United Kingdom We all want Mariah to succeed and be the best she can be, please don't ever get that twisted. The albums that haven't done so well she didn't prepare herself for them like she did for TEOM and E=MC2, and look what happened to the sales and her image then. The Vegas shows are literally round the corner and she doesn't seem prepared at all in that sense so maybe the reason people are mentioning her weight and what not is because they want her to come back and shock everyone in a good way, and are just worried that it will fall down hill again if she is not prepared for Vegas and everything else, especially after the news coverage about her voice over Christmas. (Thursday 2 April 2015; 1:05)

Obsessed with MC's debut album (non singles) (51,300) by ADAM from USA This past week I have been obsessed with MC's debut album. Especially the no singles. I love her robust vocals over the 80s/90s dance beat undertones in Sent From Up Above, Prisoner, and All Alone In Love. MC is so underrated. I can't believe these tracks get no love. You feel every heart and soul behind every lyric and I just love her rapping over the beats in those songs. You know for many years I didn't recognize that it was her voice. I assumed it was a rapper uncredited. What diva out there in the game spits rhymes and belts big notes like MC does. Beyonce doesn't count as I consider her an entertainer not a notable vocalist. I just love these songs so much I wish she'd perform a concert with all the songs from her debut album. I would love to hear her commentary on each song and how her current voice sounds trying to adapt to these older songs. Does anyone else feel the love? (Thursday 2 April 2015; 0:51)

Abraham / Ellen show vs wetsuit (51,299) by Ty from USA Hey I'm not sure what happen from the beautiful, thin, toned moment on Ellen to the [censored] of the wetsuit, it's like it happened overnight. It's like they sat her in front of [censored]. Her management team after E=MC2 has lost direction, poor single choices, late videos or no videos, no performances on Ellen, View, late night shows, award show appearances. I have met Mariah many times and she's funny and gracious each time. The public needs to be reminded she is an icon, a legend and she has to believe it. I'm almost scared what will happen in Vegas, at least they could make her look beautiful if she was in shape. I'm hoping for the best. Even though the [censored] wetsuit pic almost made me pass the [censored] out. (Thursday 2 April 2015; 0:46)

How delusional (51,298) by Will.I.Am Me from United Kingdom Mariah has a residency show starting in 1 month, whatever people try to say, she needs to make some sacrifices ahead of her show, and this includes her body and looks. She's been yo-yo dieting for years now, I just can't believe it's the same Mariah who was on Idol. She lost some considerable weight on Idol and looked amazing, even if I'm pretty sure she felt some pressure from Nicki Minaj. Mariah is not an entertainer, her voice is not what it used to be, and this is an euphemism. I'm sorry but people won't go to her show just because she is Mariah Carey, it's outdated. She needs to bring something new and fresh to the table. She wants to stay relevant but at the same time does not do any effort to. She used to be so dedicated to her work, and it's okay to be tired after so many years breaking record after record and sacrifying her life to give her best through her music. But enough, she got rewarded, we lambs have been there for her, we have bought her music, we have acknowledged her talent and good work, and supported her. If Mariah is not motivated anymore, and prefer to enjoy life, drink her wine and champagne, she just has to retire, and the sooner the better, for the sake of her dignity. (Thursday 2 April 2015; 0:38)

The "fans" (51,297) by LC from USA I really don't understand some of the so-called "fans" on here. Like, everything you post is negative. From the voice to the weight to the looks to the promo to her fucking personality. What is going on with you all? You find negativity in everything. A fun, viral (nearly 5 million views) video of Mariah singing in a carpool turns into a video where she looks fat, doesn't sing well, and acts like a diva. The complete opposite of what the general public was saying, might I add. Taking a vacation with her kids before a long upcoming few months of performing and promoting her new album, single, and show, turns into Mariah being too lazy to do promo, getting obese (because she looks bad in a wetsuit), and acting like a complete diva for having her child carried (even if she suffered muscle loss and nerve damage to her dominant arm and still has to wear a sling sometimes). Has it occurred to you that the shows have sold out (according to lambs who called Caesar's Palace)? That the label and her management team have a plan and schedule for her? That she's been recording and writing like crazy and even has a new single/video already slated for release? That she's a 45 year old who gave birth to twins at 41 and will not look the way she did 5, 10 years ago? God, you guys are shallow. Call me an enabler, whatever you want, I don't care. I hope she succeeds, and when she does, what will you say then? (Thursday 2 April 2015; 0:09)

Honestly (51,296) by Liz Archer from Sweden I didn't think Mariah looked bad. That wetsuit was ok. The only thing that looked "bad" IMO was that she had a full showing cleavage. It was not pretty or sexy, it just looked strange. Especially when she is on the beach for holiday with her family/friends. It's not like this is a fotoshoot. I really wish Mariah didn't do stuff like that, it gives her the wrong image. To be sexy is fine, but there are occasions when it's more appropriate. I guess it comes back to dressing your age, which doesn't mean she can't dress sexy. I also wish she would stop wearing full dress etc on stage. It just fuels those diva reputations which is at the moment is giving Mariah a bad reputation. People don't want to see divas anymore, as an audience you want to connect to the artist. Yes Mariah's music is iconic, but it's time to get real. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 23:57)

The problem is the clothes (51,295) by Nick from USA I mean of course she is going to look bad in a tight wetsuit, her body obviously is not in good enough shape for that. But why should we get upset over it? If you look at the pictures from Ellen she looked perfect. She just needs to wear clothes that look well on her. The long gala gowns should be burned and she should start dressing like she did on Ellen. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 22:29)

"Haters" vs enablers (51,294) by MIAM from United Kingdom The people who defend every single thing Mariah does on here are most likely the type of people she has had around her for the last how many years. These people are called enablers because whatever Mariah says or does they will go along with it no matter what. But lets keep it real now, she has released how many albums after E=MC2 and they haven't really been successful have they? Seem like the only people who brought the latter albums are people like us, her fans. I think the problem is she need to be disciplined and be prepared to do things out of her comfort zone that other people and the record company suggests that will fully prepare her for a proper album release. MIAM got pushed back so many times that everybody else forgot all about it. Also the enablers in this forum that shoot down any criticism and suggestions other fans give about MC and call them "haters" I actually find sickening. Why would people come on here just to trash talk her that would be so silly, get a grip open you eyes and minds some more please. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 22:27)

Weight issue (51,293) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Mariah doesn't look overweight really. She's a curvy girl and I'd rather have that over the anorexic ones we see. Plus her main instrument is her voice not her body. Even then, her body is pretty good. It's a wetsuit guys. She's dripping wet, the material is stuck to her. Most people look bad in wetsuits. I just saw a picture of her with Irina Shaikh or whatever her name is and she looks great there. She's probably the same weight she was when she was at Ellen's, it just that she has gone make up free in the past few days, so her face looks a little (little being the key word) big and the camera angles are not helping either. A bit of bronzer and nice curls will bring it back to its original look and as for clothes, as long as she sticks to clothes that fit her, she'll be fine. She looks great for her age. I'd be lucky if I look half as good as her at her age. I agree with whoever said that Mariah really has never been extremely heavy. She gets a little bloated every now and then but that's quite normal. Irregular sleep can do that too. Other than that, she's gorgeos as ever. I do however feel her breasts make her look bigger than she is, because she usually has a small waist but the boobs become over powering and gives the illusion of a heavier body. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 21:25)

Baby / Ty (51,292) by Abraham from USA Thank you Baby for always having Mariah's back. It amazes me what gets posted here. I only insult those who insult Mariah. You don't like my posts just ignore them Ty. I'm sorry I'm a good fan who actually respects and defends artists I love. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 20:49)

Shallow (51,291) by Marissa from USA Come on guys, it's getting a little shallow on this board. Mariah has never been at an unsightly weight a day in her life. Her issue has always been wearing clothes that are unflattering. There's nothing flattering about the average person who wears a wetsuit, so I think we should give her a break in this case. If Aretha can constantly balloon up to being damn near morbidly obese and still have a legendary reputation, Mariah should be in the clear. On another note, I don't think Brett and Mariah are together, but if they were, all of these complaints about his looks are childish. It's the heart that matters and if Mariah doesn't have an issue with his looks then neither should any of us. Nick was nice looking and played her like a fiddle. It's time for new and deeper criteria. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 20:44)

RJJ12, Will, Bill, Lee, Billy on the Tidal wave (51,290) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End As far as I understand this whole Tidal thing, it sounds an awful lot like a pyramid scheme, only it's music celebrities that are going to benefit. I don't think the business model will last very long until the general public catch on but by then millions will have already been made. Maybe I'm overly cynical but that's my personal take and so I'm happy Mariah isn't driven by greed as much as she is driven by creating music for the consumption of those who will appreciate it the most. It also helps that she writes her own songs and owns all her own publishing and masters. Mariah is set for life. In that way Ben Margulies was a blessing in disguise with his slave contract back in the day. That probably wised her up to dodgy business dealings overall. I vote no to Tidal but good luck for this of you who buy into it. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 19:58)

Mine Again (51,289) by B from USA Mariah deserved to win Best Traditional R&B Vocal Performance for Mine Again. She lost to Aretha's A Home Is Not A Home which wasn't and isn't one of her best vocals. We Belong Together deserved Record and Song of the Year and TEOM deserved Album of the Year. The fact that they did not televise any of her wins was so disrespectful. Especially since she was used to promote the ceremony. Daydream deserved Pop Vocal Album of the Year. Beyonce continues to release underwhelming half sung half spoken garbage and they just keep handing her award after award. I'm glad Beck beat her for Album of the Year. I still can't believe Drunk In Love won R&B Song of the Year. The point of this rant the Grammy Awards are no longer an award of merit. The Grammy Awards have no impact and havent for years. Rhianna has won a Grammy for vocals, take a moment and let that sink in. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 19:19)

Does really anyone care weight? (51,288) by May from Denmark Seriously, anyone cares the weight anymore? We all know Mariah has never been a fan of gym and she had said several times she dislikes to do gym and that she simply loves to enjoy eating without guilt. Once she even was sent to the hospital for oyster poisoning, it was very long time ago but still. Remember the time she was super fit, very slim and sexy for her E=MC2, where she showed people the exercises she had to do and the way she looked at some salads her dietician was preparing for her on a tv show? People in those days complained that Mariah looked too slim, some even said she was anorexic and others that anyone could lose that much weight if they did pills all day. If she loses weight people complain, if she gains weight people complains, if she eats salads people whine, if indulges in things she likes people whine. Leave her alone. She might still be recovering from the divorce, who feels like stepping on a trend-mill? With all the work she is having she felt better to spend time with her kid on her free time than doing some push ups, so what. She is not even obese or anything terrible, she just has a couple of tiny rolls. In Ellen she looked almost the same, I think the dress, the camera angle did a difference, also the high heels stylize you a lot, any girl knows that. She might as much gained what, 3-5 kilograms, not a big deal to lose them. Let her breath, right now she is focusing on work. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 18:57)

The Island/Def Jam Years (51,287) by B from USA Charmbracelet: The One, I Only Wanted, Clown, My Saving Grace, and You Had Your Chance. The Emancipation of Mimi: Mine Again, Stay The Night, One and Only, Your Girl, and So Lonely (One & Only Part II). Mine Again was nominated for the Best Traditional R&B Performance Award at the Grammy Awards an award she deserved. E=MC2: Migrate, Cruise Control, Side Effects, I'm That Chick, Thanx 4 Nothin', and For The Record. Memoirs: Obsessed. MIAMTEC: #Beautiful, Faded, Dedicated, Make It Look Good, and Meteorite. Mariah Carey is still relevant, twenty-five years later because she is more than a pretty face with a big voice. She is a songwriter and producer. She is a pioneer. Without her there would be no Beyoncé or Rhianna. Her legend is set in stone. Often imitated, never duplicated. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 18:54)

New to Mariah and the messageboard (51,286) by Kate from UK Hey guys. I'm super new to MC (MIAM was the first time I awaited an MC album) so I've been travelling through the back log of all things Mariah and just thought I'd introduce myself. I'm really looking forward to interacting with other lambs, I don't know any here in the UK. Is it true this site was set up in 1998? That's the year I was born by the way, if so, that's immensely impressive. How old are the other lambs here? Thanks. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 18:45)

Me I am Mariah... The Elusive Chanteuse best of (51,285) by IheartMC from USA Hey so guys. So I have a question for the lambs who will appreciate this kind of interactive way of things. I have been listening to Mariah's albums from TEOM to MIAM. Please list what album you think of the 4 (TEOM, EMC2, MOAIA and MIAM) and what singles are your fave and what songs should have been singles. I am curious to know what you think. OK go. My fave album of the 4 is damn it's hard because I think both TEOM and MIAM are pretty tied in my opinion for being solid efforts. If I had to pick one of the two it would be TEOM due to Circles alone. Songs that should have been singles: 1. Mine again - Grammy nomination is enough said. 2. Stay the night - The production and vocals are great. 3. Joyride - The final notes are amazing and a great melody. 4. So lonely - The hook stays in my head after listening. 5. For The record - I mean classic. 6. Faded - So on trend but sounds classic. 7. Meteorite - I can't believe this wasn't a single. 8. You don't know what to do - Another missed moment. 9. Betcha gon know - Meant to have a video. 10. Make it look good - Classic sound. 11. Circles - The vocals, lyrics are everything. 12. Thanx for Nothin - So relatable. 13. Side effects - Edgy sounding, could have worked. 14. Inseperable - So nostalgic and catchy. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 17:00)

Where's the promo? (51,284) by SC from USA The residency starts in basically one month and there's zero promo for this. I'm not sure if you guys recall, but for Britney's residency this was treated as a major event and there was an entire "launch" with her flying in a helicopter, big entrance photoshoots, her video was featuring Planet Hollywood and a big documentary on the preparation for this. With Shania Twain they shut down the Vegas Strip and she arrived to Caesars on horses. Where's the promo for Mariah? My concern is that they are treating her residency as not a long-term thing. She's only committed to two months this year and Celine just announced that she's coming back. Maybe that's what it is? The production team should at least go on Access Hollywood or something to show the set or preparations. I doubt the album will be released at the beginning of the residency, as we're basically too close in time and there's zero promo. I'm begging for this album to be and feel fresh. We absolutely cannot have another hits album with the same versions of the songs. It won't sell and that won't be good for Vegas sales. This has to be upgraded and fresh. I also really hope her voice is in top form by the time this begins. We can't have excuses of her saying that she's been in the studio all night at live shows. Stay positive MC. We are all rooting for you and we want to see you succeed in Vegas and album sales. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 16:13)

Back to Black (51,283) by B from USA I think Mariah should work with Mark Ronson. I agree with the critics that said on MIAMTEC Mariah shined when she went for a timeless sound instead of trying to sound timely or trendy. Amy Winehouse and Adele. When I heard Someone Like You it reminded me of something Mariah would have wrote in the 90's reminds me of a hybrid of Underneath The Stars and Forever. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 15:15)

Disgusting hypocrisy (51,282) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Why is the triumvirate of hate repeatedly allowed to directly insult Mariah Carey on this board? Abraham just did what any lamb worth his wool would do. Besides, Photoshop works both ways, anyone can add pounds in picture just as easily as they can be subtracted. What kind of dimwitted amateur critics don't understand that? Funny how Mariah always manages to look stunning on video, no matter what. It couldn't possibly be because it's next to impossible to manipulate film footage after the fact, right? Also, congratulations to Thirsty on his special day. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 15:00)

Same old gripe (51,281) by Reuben Walton from United States I always get worked up all over again when I go back and listen to all her missed singles opportunities from the last 7 years. Tsk tsk. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 7:18)

iHeart radio (51,280) by nikki from usa I would love if MC had her own channel on iHeart radio. She has more than enough material across so many genres to play original music for hours. Someone with her track record of hits should have an app by now that takes you straight to iTunes to buy at this point. It would be a good way to release the songs she's always wanted heard, but the label was against it. Mariah's weight is the same size as she is on Ellen. Wearing a wetsuit that's a size too small will look unflattering on anyone. On Ellen, she was wearing clothes that fit. Kind of like how people thought she looked "fat" during the tree lighting ceremony, but were surprised by how "thin" she looked the following week during her Christmas concerts. She wore clothes that fit and looked phenomenal. Between her injury, kids, residency, movie, her vocals, and album coming up; losing 10 lbs shouldn't be at the top of that list. Clothes that compliment her shape would suffice. Don't get me started on "relatable". Did Fantasy hit #1 because people could "relate" to a 25 year old multimillionaire recluse living in a mansion? She's always been larger than life, people relate to the music, not to her. J.Lo? How did "relatable" translate into single or album sales for her lately? Vegas didn't relate her to a residency. (Wednesday 1 April 2015; 7:03)

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