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Time-out (50,739) by Andrew from UK It is not a low to mention race, it was neither discriminatory nor intended to initiate an argument. Matthew is reasoned when he states that she surrounds herself with black people as they produce the genre she wants. I expanded as such after I stated why she won't work with Afanasieff again. I believe this also a part of the problem. There's not much crossover and an alienation of the majority of the populous who don't want a genre/sound that's dated (YM(E) and Faded, by example). It is not immediately racist for a white person to mention race and all the self-righteous should expel their energy on something worthwhile. The only possible racism came in an idiot saying "Lilly white girls be trying it". And Mariah Carey is not "black", she's mixed race. The statement is false. Everyone chill out. I should've expanded the point better and I *apologise*. But Adam is right: the so-called "enablers" can be just as guilty of trying to shut down that which they don't agree with, and be quite personal. Honestly, just take a moment to breathe and chill. We all love Mariah, the manner in which we do it is different (yeah I can grow okay haha). If you want to punch me I'll probably be in NYC at Christmas. You can take turns, pay a dollar each time and we'll raise money for The Fresh Air Fund. We'll make millions. (Monday 9 March 2015; 17:43)

Response to Mimi L (50,738) by ADAM from USA I thought about your comments and I agree with you about personalizing comments. I think I took my comments too far with the line about issues with men in their own lives. It was catty and unnecessary. I still stand by my POV about Nick and it's totally fine for us to have diverging POV's about his lifestyle choices. I would like this forum to continue to be a space where we can all spend less time bashing other fans for their POV and instead let it be a space where we can post our POV's about Mariah. Mimi L, I have no hard feelings against you nor anyone else who may disagree with my opinions. I respect your opinion and always welcome someone to call me out on something if I am fundamentally wrong or hypocritical. I'm not perfect but am always striving to become better than I was yesterday. Cheers. (Monday 9 March 2015; 16:33)

Emotions instrumental (50,737) by tadatorao from japan Does anybody know whether the instrumental version of Emotions in the Australian card sleeve single CD is the original or remix? (Item 0856 in the discography of this website.) (Monday 9 March 2015; 13:03)

Adam (50,736) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I was the one who originally posted about Nick's behavior this time around and it was my opinion. If you are so open about other people giving out their opinions then why do you have a problem with me (or others) giving a negative opinion on Nick? Don't just go around pretending you know people by saying "they have unresolved issues with men" and that you wonder about how these people operate in relationships. That's downright offensive and I don't care whom your post was directed it, I take it personally since I was the one who brought up Nick's recent behavior. I avoided replying to the previous posts talking about how Nick shouldn't be hated upon because that's their opinion and they are entitled to it. But must you really take it up a notch and personally attack someone else? If you want people to stop lashing at you, maybe show them the way and avoid lashing out yourself? I used to think your posts are well balanced, but well I guess I was wrong. (Monday 9 March 2015; 9:58)

Really? (50,735) by MimiLamb from Germany I have to agree, sometimes it comes across that some are fishing for stuff to complain about on this board, because being positive and still believing is just not the way to go. I mean the not working with white people is a new low tbh. I love seeing people giving their opinions but sometimes it's just too much, and you really sit there and think "stop it already", like all of you are perfect and do everything like you supposed to do. (Monday 9 March 2015; 8:52)

Ty / Alexis (50,734) by 123 from USA Ty, I'm so glad you said something. There has to be a line that is drawn between opinion and hate. Alexis, your comments are always on point, please keep posting. (Monday 9 March 2015; 4:33)

Response to the haters (50,733) by ADAM from USA Please get your facts right, Amber and Ty. Your comments were meant to be directed at Andrew not me. So before you throw grease at someone with negative intent, check to see if you're using the correct person's name. Andrew and Alexis, don't let these haters shut you down. I enjoy your commentary on this board and whether we disagree down the road on any points, I'm fine with it and will protect your right to express those points. I enjoy this board because of the variety of opinions on it. I just wish that everyone could express their points without always being PC or so apologetic for having a POV that wasn't in line with "lambs" who need to get a grip on reality. I don't have a problem with Nick Cannon's behavior and hate all the negative talk whenever he is in the media. There are so many haters on here who clearly have unresolved issues with the men in their own life that they so vehemonly destroy any man's reputation that was ever with MC. It makes me would how these individuals are in real life operate in relationships (if they are in any at all). I have news for you, MC is not a Disney princess in real life and has dualities in her personality like real people. MC is a great musician and has been intimate to her fans in the past however the truth is for a long time now, she has taken her fans for granted and only the delusional lambs who are blinded still think their being feed a quality product. (Monday 9 March 2015; 2:09)

Mariah doesn't give a shit? (50,732) by Luke from United Kingdom If she didn't give a shit would she really waste her time doing performances in which she sings amazingly 95% of the time, ontop of recording new music and signing contracts for Vages and Sony when she could disappear, live a happy life with her children, make her own music in her studio all with 500 million dollars in her bank? I'm suprised she hasn't done this already when even some of her "fans" critisize every move like they've never made a mistake in there life. Some of the things she does may seem unusual, and not amazing to look at but she's clearly a very experimental person and tries what she wants regardless of what people are going to think of her. I'm guessing some people like fishing for drama on here? (Monday 9 March 2015; 0:49)

Adam, the race issue is no issue at all (50,730) by Amber C from USA So if Mariah worked with only white individuals would that be a problem? She sings RnB know, and Mariah sticks to her friends and who she knows because for some reason she doesn't seem to entrust her career with managers or producers who aren't black, why judge? it is what it is, there really isn't any reason to mention the race of her friends. By mentioning race are you implying that she would have success if she worked with another race? I hope not darling. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 22:44)

Sharing is caring (hip hop remixes edition) (50,729) by Jon from Netherlands I might be preaching to the choir. YDKWTD, TMB, Side Effects, DFAU, SIO, BB. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 22:10)

Vegas (Shania's experience) (50,728) by Music Lover from Canada I can't remember the last time that I posted a message on this board but I had to share this information. Shania Twain performed 105 shows over 2 years at Caesar's. She's been all over Canadian television promoting her upcoming farewell tour, and her message has been consistent. Vegas was the most demanding gig of her career yet after a publicized and painful divorce, as well as major issues with her vocal chords (that Lionel Richie and Gladys Knight helped her overcome), she needed to do it in order to conquer her insecurities as a performer and the misfortunes of her personal life. Sounds exactly like Mariah's current state to me. Firstly, honesty is the best policy. People can tell that something has been off about your voice for years. Vulnerability translates into sympathy. Secondly, Vegas is no joke. Mariah needs to be fully dedicated to her show through vocal coaching and physical rest. She can't be pulling all-nighters in the studio with JD (like last week). This gig could potentially help her overcome her insecurities as a singer, performer, and individual, but it needs committment. Shania mentioned that Caesar's has a great production team that made her wish list come true. Mariah rehired David Korins, who designed her NYC Christmas shows. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 21:16)

Re: Alexis / the calm before the storm (50,727) by Terna from Nigeria She is Mariah Carey. Let that sink in for a bit. Don't think even for a second she doesn't know what she's doing. 25 years in the business and still relevant is a big, big deal. Throughout 2004 no one knew what she was up to, we only saw her a few times and then there came 2005. History does repeat itself. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 19:58)

The race thing (50,726) by Matthew from USA Mariah has worked with Diane Warren and David Foster. She worked with Mark Shaiman on the latest Christmas album and with Willie Nelson for the song on the "Tennessee" soundtrack. She works with white people. The thing is that there may not be a lot of white producers she knows of making music in her genre. The closest thing would be David Guetta who is more of an EDM producer, or Diplo who threw some shade at Mimi's last album sales while working on Madonna's album. So I think we can stop with the race thing. It's OK for Mimi to go after the hot producers for a track or two but she should primarily work with someone respected in the genre but who's sound is not overplayed. I still think Timbaland fits the bill perfectly. I'd love to see what they come up with. I think he's even more creative than The Dream, and I think he would be open to the collaboration since he has publicly expressed admiration for Mariah's work. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 17:22)

#2's in Vegas Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan (50,722) by B from USA If she does hopefully she sings Can't Let Go and Shake It Off. Shake It Off peaked at number two on the US Billboard Hot 100, as it was barred by Carey's We Belong Together. It was the first time a female lead artist occupied the top two positions of the Hot 100, a record she will always hold. Another record that she'll always hold is being the first female to debut a single (Fantasy) atop the Hot 100. She also has back to back Songs of the Decade. Let's be festive. Enough with the complaints and thinly veiled disses that some call are constructive criticisms. 25 years and still going. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 16:19)

Nick (50,720) by B from USA While on tour in Tokyo Mariah changed the lyrics of Billie Holiday's classic Don’t Explain from "I know you cheat" to "I know you cheated, motherf*cker". He may be the father of her children but he's disrespected her time and time again. He used her and it's painfully obvious at this point. Publicly dating Murphy, who is Mariah's age, is his way of rubbing salt in the wound. Mariah's looking stunning lately which is the best revenge. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 15:50)

Andrew from the UK (50,719) by Ty from USA You act like a goat also. Mariah can work with whatever producer she wants, she does not have to planted on a stage singing Hero in full voice in a Versace gown. If she wants to work with black producers, let her. Last time I checked she was black also. The Lilly white girls be trying it. Maybe you should visit Lady Gaga's page? Just a thought. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 15:27)

Philip (50,718) by Will from England That's funny because she talked about that on her Facebook page (the Veep thing). Still knows how to poke fun at herself. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 14:06)

Nick (50,717) by Andrew from UK Also, Alexis, I agree that I'm not sure Nick Cannon deserves so much judgment for being twerked upon whilst Mariah is called "dignified and refined". Yes, he's a father in his thirties but she's a mother in her forties, also. Last I saw she was dancing in front of a car to turn on a man wearing a tiny dress whilst touching her breasts. I think Nick put up with a lot himself. May not like him much but let's be balanced and fair. And you are correct in that it seems Mariah doesn't give a shit anymore. There's not much evidence to the contrary. Awesome name by the way. Have a good day. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 12:45)

Walter and the goatists (50,716) by Andrew from UK Hi Reuben, it's relevant only as an observation that Mariah doesn't work with white people anymore: for well over a decade there has been very few. It's not unnoticeable and has heavily affected the direction of her music which has alienated her musically and affected her broad appeal IMO. It's not racist it's just probably true: she won't work with Afanasieff again. I won't even comment on the self-righteous indignation of the other poster. Except to say leave Adam alone, I said it. He's a nice guy. And I can't believe you used the word goat. You hate goats. Goatist. Chill out. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 12:32)

Glitter (50,715) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I don't know why MC still thinks Glitter was so bad. I have watched the movie twice and it's actually not bad. I enjoy it. And do I even need to mention the soundtrack? It was amazing. Way ahead of its team. Come on MC. Also do you guys ever wonder that if MC dislikes Glitter so much, why did she choose to recreate the promo photos of Glitter for Memoirs? The other photos she recreated for Memoirs were some of her iconic photos like the debut album, the cover of Vision Of Love, and the Butterfly album. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 11:44)

For Adam (50,714) by Ty from USA Dear tired old school queen Adam, let me find out you have race issues. Keep in mind dummy Mariah loves rnb and has worked with black producers since day 1. Where your 1960's wackiness likes it or night she is also "black". Vegas will be a class act to all you fake hating lambs. I would be ashamed if Mimi read this site (which is full of angry goats like Adam). (Sunday 8 March 2015; 8:22)

Let Nick live (50,713) by Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan from USA I still love Nick, I don't know why some lambs want to crucify him. You all want to read Nick for filth but sit up hear and praise or turn a blind eye to Mariah's idiocy and foibles. Chile. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 7:34)

#2's in Vegas (50,712) by Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan from USA I think it would be a cute idea to acknowledge the songs that made it to #2 (doesn't she still hold the record for the most #2's?). Maybe a little medley of those songs? Or am I asking too much? (Sunday 8 March 2015; 7:32)

I wish her well (50,711) by Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan from USA You know, sometimes I come on this board and read so much being said about Mariah. There is the deserved harsh criticism, but there is this strong undercurrent of hope: all of these ideas for new producers, looks, Vegas show setups. It all just makes me sad. I know one of my biggest criticisms of Whitney was that she seemed to neglect her fan base. I mean those fans that were there when she had obviously forgotten about her career. I feel like that's Mariah now. Yes, she will throw a few crumbs to us lamb-peasants with a tweet or ig post. However, she just doesn't seem to really care, so in turn, I've stopped caring. At this point, I've just found that having no expectations is the best route. Until the fans can speak directly to her, I expect nothing to change. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 7:30)

Andrew (50,710) by Reuben Walton from United States Andrew, why is it relevant that Walter is not black? (Sunday 8 March 2015; 7:26)

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