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#Beautiful went up again! (37,984) by jaker20 from US Yes. Another top 20 for MC. Hey chart, it's been a long time. Lol. Rise MC rise. I definitely think this song is a grower. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 21:29)

Some of you went a little too far (37,983) by jaker20 from US Some of you who went on and on and on your negative parade while the rest of us who enjoyed the AI performance watch here on the sideline. Someone even label us being deaf and another needing to buy new tv, because we can't see that she lipped. How arrogant some of you are for trying to convince us. I love the performance and you can't change it. It's still her voice. Live, lipped, dubbed, still her beautiful voice. Why do you care so much about this cheap show? I don't want her to be on Idol anyway. I always said I want her to leave that silly, fake, irrelevant, sinking ratings, and corny singing show. I don't get why you guys hold it on such high esteem that she has to sing there live. Because she's a judge? Lol. She's a judge because she was paid 20 million plus publicity, increasing her market value, otherwise, she wouldn't touch that show with a ten foot pole. I'd rather her save her voice, and produce more great songs albeit in the studio for many years, than one great performance in that cheap show. She had a great one with Fallon, you all forgot that already? MC is still making great music because she saves her assets and not full blast it all the time like she use to on a weekly basis. She gets more selective as time goes on, while few to none of her contemporaries are as relevant as her because they completely lost it. Anyway, beating the dead horse. Just enjoy #Beautiful. Great song. Not enough space 1730 letters ugh. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 21:23)

Hahaha (37,982) by Anthony Early from Wales I enjoy the folks who implore that those who don't express their unhappiness at Mariah enough as worshippers. Brilliant. I have often times criticised her and the direction(s) she is taking; this time I am simply standing up for what I believe to be injustice. Anyway, good job Mariah, I don't and never have agreed with everything you do, but from what I've heard very recently, you are still worthy of my adoration as the best vocalist and one of the most incredible artists ever. Please don't inhale poisonous breaths; constructive and observational criticism considered, you are the one that I love, now and always, as an artist. On a personal note, to others, I am passionate about the things that I love, and passion, in my opinion, makes the world go round. Congrats to Mariah on an illustrious, difficult yet rewarding well deserved 23 years. I ain't going nowhere. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 21:05)

Stephen, Stacy, Jimbo and others / #Beautiful (Explicit) (37,981) by Edward from USA Stephen, Stacy, Jimbo and those other posters who dare to express their opinions here when they may not be well liked, I do really appreciate you. I think you guys bring balance to this messageboard and I've not doubt you love Mariah. I remember those days when there was supposed to be the UK gang against the the US gang on this board, it was hilarious. . Gilbert, I got my #Beautiful (Explicit) from iTunes yesterday. I would send it to you if you buy an extra copy of #Beautiful (clean) which would be the same as if you bought the explicit version, just to be fair to Mariah. Guys, remember to stream the video on Vevo, it's free and it counts towards Billboard final numbers. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 20:18)

Ahah (37,980) by Sasha from Nomansland How smart she is, keeping the explicite version under her sleeve and then releasing it to get extra download lol. Mariah may be judged, criticised or praised sometimes wrongly or rightly, but at least she left nobody unaffected. She is the one who holds the reins of her career, so whatever the good or bad moves she makes, at the end of the day she is the one who will get the benefits or pay the price. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 20:00)

American Idol lip sync scandal (37,979) by Marcos from Brazil I kinda liked the lip sync scandal, because now Mariah knows that everybody knows she lip syncs and maybe from now on she will be more careful in her performances and will deliver us something real. I've been observing her TV and concert performances since 2005 and, though she sings most of the songs live, she almost always lips the high notes and whistles parts. And lipping is so out of date. Nowadays even bad singers are singing live, Katy Perry and Selena Gomez are examples of that. I really don't care if she can't hit all the high notes like she did before or if her voice is not the same but, c'mon, she's one of the best singers out there and I don't think it's too much to give us something real with what her voice can provide. No more pre-recorded vocals, she don't need to be perfect. Let's see how her GMA performances will be. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 19:53)

Wow (37,978) by Jimbo from UK The posts on this forum are getting a little abusive. If someone wants to "whine" about something Mariah related, so be it, let them. It can't be disturbing you that much and you can always ignore the post. The forum should be inclusive. Let's not bully one another. Be nice or leave. Any lamb recognise that phrase? (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 19:28)

Family / butterflies, unicorns and rainbows (37,977) by Edward from USA I consider the messageboard like a family, and family don't usually agree on everything. My mother used to say, I can say something about my kids, but I can do that, because I am part of this family. Some of us express our concern about Mariah, but to fellow members of the messageboard family, never outside. Some people here want us to be like all the yes people Mariah has always had in her life, those who were afraid to say they didn't like a single choice or a certain decision just because she was Mariah Carey. People forget that Mariah sells a product which is her artistry through her biggest asset which is her voice. We've been buying that product as fans for a long time, even when the product wasn't up to her own standards. So to come here and suggest that we should just take the product and fly away like butterfly whether it is good or bad is insane. When people complain, something is usually done to correct the problem, but if we just sit here among butterflies, rainbows and unicorns, pretending everything is perfect, nothing will be done about it. Some of us express our frustrations because we love Mariah and her music. So, after the Idol dubbed mess brought up, we'll most likely see an improvement on GMA on Friday. You are not excused to produce a table with only one leg because you've been making great four-legged tables for 20 years. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 19:14)

Will (37,976) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom Yea, the reaction to #Beautiful has been great so far. People are genuinely feeling the song, with absolutely no promotion. It's been added to A playlist on Choice FM and I think Kiss FM too. I even heard it in the gym, and I haven't heard a Mariah song in the gym since TMB. It's been increasing in sales for a number of weeks, and is sitting in the top 20 on iTunes. This is a big impact for Mariah in the UK, and bodes well for the album. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 18:27)

Stacey (37,975) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom Thank you. However, you know how it is here. If you don't constantly worship Mariah, even when it's undue, you're somehow not a fan or you're being "nasty". Utterly ridiculous. I've not said anything that isn't more than an opinion, and nothing I'd consider nasty. You know me, I'll call a spade a spade, and I'm happy to express that. If people don't like it, then I don't care. It's just an opinion. I never said it was fact. My writing stye may be persuasive or quite forthright, but that's just how I write. I've never stated that what I'm saying is the Bible. People on here really need to get some perspective. Anyways, back to what it's all about *plays #Beautiful*. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 18:17)

Geronimo (37,974) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom Your post doesn't even make sense to me, so I have nothing further to say. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 17:56)

Don't kill my vibe (37,973) by Geronimo from USA Be intelligent and responsible. Make a distinction between lip-syncing and network dubbing and then get on with life. And stop killing the vibe on this board whining about what you, of all people, think Mariah Carey should be doing or sounding like at this point in her career. If you are still upset because you think, despite all evidence and eye witness reports, that Mariah Carey cannot sing anymore and cannot give an honest performance, you are not a serious person and should be quiet for a while until you can bring more intelligent conversation. Mariah Carey is a recording artist and a decent performer, not the goddess of your personal cult, Stephen. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 17:03)

Stephen / AI performance (37,972) by Stacey from USA Stephen, preach my friend preach. Your last two posts to Anthony and Samuel were shear perfection. Look, as far as the whole lipping thing goes, it doesn't bother me if she lipped some or all of the AI performance. Singers have been doing this for a long time, Mariah included. I went to the last concert on the CB tour and I can guarantee you many parts of that concert were lipped. It's ok. I'd lip at the end of a major tour too, lol. I didn't care. I was so happy to be dead center 15 rows back. My issue with the AI performance was how bad the editing/dubbing was. It was so obvious, it was bad. And on a major stage like AI where younger fans are watching, folks like Stephen said who don't know her very well, a performance like that could be a deal breaker. Maybe it won't hurt her. Only time will tell. When you are promoting the lead single to a new album, you have to bring your "A-game". I hope she brings that "A-game" to GMA this Friday. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 16:24)

If you were referring to me (37,971) by Anthony Early from Wales As juvenile, please don't. Please get down off your high horse and don't tell me how to spend my time. I'm irritated by you and wanted to express that. I have now. No, I don't want a row. And don't mistake raising an objection to you as juvenile. Finally, now I know where you stand, I'll know to pass over your posts. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 14:19)

Anthony Early (37,970) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom Firstly, I'm not constantly negative. Please see my comments re #Beautiful and it's accompanying video. I was praising both. Re the voice, you hit the nail on the head, it's my opinion, and that's all. Perhaps you should focus less energy on something that's merely an opinion, and do something more productive with it. I'm not going to sit here and defend myself as a fan to you. I've been on this message board since 1902, and have always expressed concern over the state of Mariah's voice. This is nothing new. Whether or not that makes me a fan of Mariah, I'm afraid I'll be the judge of that and not you. Just because I express an opinion that you don't agree with, that doesn't make it any less valid. I'm not going to discuss the matter any further with you, as I know you can't reason with the juvenile. You already said that you don't want to get into arguments with people online, and you're right, it's unnecessary. I merely expressed an opinion. If you don't agree with it, don't get worked up over it. I'm merely exercising my freedom of expression, which I have been doing so since 1902, and will continue to do so here. Peace. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 13:35)

I see hypocrite people pretending to be Mariah's people (37,969) by Zachary from Croatia I don't write very often on this site, but when I feel that something has to be said, I will say it. I see a lot commentary about her alleged lip singing and etc. Just a few months ago she nailed her performance during Christmas songs and everyone were talking how she still got it and her voice is amazing and bla bla bla. Somehow I doubt that she lost her voice in matters of months. Give her a break: the performance was a part of a huge show and, ok, if she had a little help, fine. She wanted to sound great and she did. I personally think that she only had a back up track in Beautiful with Miguel´s voice along. Do not hate, support. Greetings from Croatia. Zachary. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 12:43)

Stephen (37,968) by Anthony Early from Wales I'm fed up of you saying she can't sing like it's now fact. It isn't. It's your opinion. And your constant negativity, which is coming close to the mark as nastiness, is draining. I agree with Samuel. I never argue on the net, but this board over the past week has infuriated me to the point where I too feel the need to speak out. Mariah has done some of her most incredible live performances well after 1997 (in my opinion). And the fact you have to mention 1997 Stephen speaks volumes. I don't think you're a fan of her voice anymore. I'm not debating whether you're a fan or not, because I don't know and frankly I don't think she needs "fans" like you, but constant criticism and the 1997 thing really suggests you're no longer a fan of her voice now. I apologise if I come across as annoyed, but I genuinely really am. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 11:54)

The UK (37,967) by Will from England For a Mariah song, I'm surprised yet very pleased, that #Beautiful is remaining consistent on the UK iTunes and Official Singles charts. It's been quite happy in the Top 20s and jumping 12 places to be in the Top 30 songs, in both respective charts. And without any promo. That's pretty good for Mariah. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 9:11)

Edward (37,966) by Gilbert from USA Where did you find this explicit download? I searched iTunes and I only see the version which I already downloaded. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 2:28)

Samuel (37,965) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I'm afraid I'm not missing any point. Mariah has been in the business for 23 years, and in terms of her legacy, she has nothing to prove, she's done it all. However, if she wants to release new material, and actually sell that to a mass audience, which is clearly the point of her having a record deal, then I'm afraid she has everything to prove. There is a whole generation of fans who don't have a clue who she is, or even care that prior to 1997 she was able to saaang. They also don't give a flying hoot about how many records she's sold. To them and most of the public at large, that's irrelevant. In this day and age, that counts for nothing. When you are singing on stage, on a platform as big as American Idol, where you are critiquing contestants vocal performances as a judge, I think the least you can do is actually sing the complete performance live. People expect that. A new generation of the public expect it. She has something to prove to them. She also has something to prove to her long standing fans. Why should we not expect the supposed "voice" to sing live? It's not like we're her fans for her amazing dance routines. It's the voice. That's the point of Mariah Carey, and if you don't get that, then I'm afraid that it's you who is missing the point. (Wednesday 22 May 2013; 2:10)

#Beautiful (Explicit) now on iTunes (37,964) by Edward from USA I just downloaded my copy of #Beautiful (Explicit) from iTunes, and I have to say that I like it better than the clean version. Now the # makes sense to me. I also have to agree that #Beautiful is the best lead single Mariah has released since Fantasy. I would love a slightly longer version of the song, and some good remixes. But I think she should wait for #Beautiful to reach the top 10 before she releases any variation of the song, that way the chances to reach the top spot would be greatly increased. I can't wait for the GMA performance on Friday. Since airplay has been consistently increasing and sales have been steady, I can easily see #Beautiful in the top 15 on the next Billboard release. At this point I think they must already have the next single ready. I am really excited about the new album. (Tuesday 21 May 2013; 23:55)

I just can't anymore (37,963) by S from England I can't remember the last time I felt like I wanted to engage in a online disagreement than right now. I just scroll and see people's comments like Stephen's and they just miss the whole point. If Mariah released Beautiful and decided she doesn't even want to perform it or just lypsync it, it really doesn't matter at this stage of her life. I'll say it once again, Mariah has nothing left to prove. Fans are here still discussing her only because she has chosen to keep giving the fans a little music here and there but she is under no obligation to "come back with a hard new era" or "get serious". We're lucky she's still singing at all. You want to criticize artists and judge them, then go to Katy Perry or Nicki fan sites because they are early on in their careers. Mariah has been going since 1990. People need to chill, it's not that serious geez. Mariah if you are reading this, I just want to say I appreciate you and thanks for still making music, because at the end of the day, I know you don't have to. (Tuesday 21 May 2013; 23:30)

Mariah live (37,962) by Jimbo from UK I agree with the sentiment other users have already expressed. Why can't Mariah just give one "honest" performance. No more dubbing, no more singing along to a backing track, no more earpiece excuses. It's frustrating. I'm sure we all fell in love with Mariah's voice before anything else she had to offer. Remember the early performances of Vanishing? And I still love her voice, I just wish she would be honest during her performances. I'm tired of seeing a nervous, insecure singer on stage, scared to use that instrument that made her into the superstar she is today, because she's lost all confidence in its ability. She's a legend. Her voice is the most unique and beautiful sound I've ever heard. It has a dreamy richness, and a tone that is so distinctive you know immediately who is singing. There must be some way to repair it, surgery or vocal exercises? (Tuesday 21 May 2013; 22:52)

Che (37,961) by RibbonB from USA Lol. I have been thinking the same thing for days now. People get all caught up that they ignore what's right in their faces. They should believe the real, raw footage, not the recorded, edited footage, which is distorted. Lol. MC could be speaking with someone right in their face and someone would say she lipped it. (Tuesday 21 May 2013; 21:43)

She wrote the songs (37,960) by Anonymous from Mariah has written #17 1's. And she has proven yet again that she can still write an excellent pop song. #Beautiful in my opinion is her best lead single since Fantasy. She's written the song of the summer. It sounds beautiful on the radio. (Tuesday 21 May 2013; 18:08)

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