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Observation (102,446)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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The introduction of Fantasy, it's one of the best intros ever. I love it so much. The first seconds of it, genius. Just like the sample.  Tonight I'll watch "Free Guy" on German free TV premiere. I'm ecxited for the little Fantasy part of course. 
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 19:46)
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Observation (102,430)
by Bobby A from United States
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I think that we are all frustrated that MC16 has not been released and she seems to have lost her beautiful gift. Listening to the introduction of Fantasy kind of brought tears to my eyes knowing that MC can't sing acapella anymore.
(Saturday 1 April 2023; 17:56)
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Observation (102,445)
by Stacey from USA
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Perfectly said. This fellow Libra approves. 
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 17:48)
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Observation (102,438)
by Libra Lamb from USA
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Although I do not come here to bash or pick MC apart, I don't need anyone telling me if I classify as a fan or not. I simply did not wish her a "Happy Anniversary " because I was too busy celebrating my own grandmother's 95th birthday. Also, this is a fan board, not a direct link to her, it's not guaranteed that she would even see it here. I have, however, wished her well and sent lovely direct messages to her via social media, and guess what? No response. But I don't care, I am sure she's too busy to acknowledge everyone just like I was busy on her birthday. It's not that deep. Take it easy.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 05:02)
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Observation (102,444)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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I think we all are fans of her, and what makes a fan or not is not you to decide. I mostly write positive things about Mariah on this board, many of my posts are pure appreciation posts. Sometimes I am critical, and I think it's a good thing we all can be critical. When I talk to other people who are fans of other artists and they can't say even one negative thing about the artist, that is to be delusional. I think it's healthy to have a balanced view of one's favourite artist. In my teens I was a delusional fan of Mariah, praising everything, defending her so much people thought I was crazy. None of my friends are a fan of Mariah, but I think they feel it's ok to listen to her because I have a balanced view, and show reflection about her as an artist, acknowledging her more negative qualities as well.
And for her anniversary, I posted an old video that Billboard posted a few years ago on Mariah's birthday, so I did my job, one friend liked the video.
Mariah has been a big part of my life and still is.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 14:17)
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Observation (102,419)
by Lady B from USA
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Many people on this board who post negative things about Mariah like to hid behind they "care" and are "fans", but are being "honest" and sometimes that means tough love. I'm on record as saying I think that's largely malarky, and they snidely deride me when I say that, But for a "fan board" very few folks wished her Happy Anniversary, and none of the regular critics. Indeed, plenty of posts before and after, but very few on the day of. Compare that to other fan boards of other artists, which have a higher percentage of posters who are actual, well fans.
(Wednesday 29 March 2023; 16:09)
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Observation (102,443)
by Randy from USA
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I never listed reasons I didn't like MC anymore. I do like MC or else I wouldn't be here. I just wanted to prove a point. MC does what no other singer has ever done in history. Excuse herself relentlessly. And Terna, you were very gracious in your counter to me. A lot more gracious than I would expect. I think I'm developing a crush. At the end of the day, I have a 24x36 of MC in my living room. I am obsessed. Maybe that's why I pick everything apart. Because I actually care too much. Good night y'all. Webmaster thanks for always letting me post.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 12:22)
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Observation (102,437)
by Lady B from USA
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You're arguing with yourself. I never called anyone evil, I just said folks hiding behind "actually, we're the real fans because we care enough to speak up" show who they really are by not acknowledging her anniversary, a simple yet non-trivial act if one is a fan of someone. That you list all the reasons you don't like her anymore as "receipts" of some argument you're having with yourself doesn't disprove my point (quite the contrary that you spent so much time putting that together but couldn't wish her a happy anniversary).
I'll hang up and listen whilst you yell at the clouds. Peace.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 04:35)
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Observation (102,442)
by Jamie from UK
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Well said Randy.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 10:45)
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Observation (102,434)
by Randy from USA
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As tired as you are of us picking Mariah apart, we are tired of being told that we are not fans and we are evil people. Nobody's mad because MC doesn't have the same voice as 1990. Hell, she didn't even have the same voice in 1998. The real issue is the deception and the excuses. How did she go from saying publicly, :I would never lip sync" in the 90s to lip syncing most of her climaxes in 99 and beyond? And then not telling us what happened? I didn't want to do this on this board but a few years ago, I put together all of MCs excuses. In her own words. I don't ever argue without receipts. Oh and I still love MC. You can view the video here.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 01:02)
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Observation (102,441)
by Bobby A from United States
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Randy, that is great video compliation of MC's excuses. Watching it made realize that MC clearly has an identity self-image issue that has affected her ability to stop worrying about what people think about her. I can relate to this because I am extra sensitive about how people perceive me. Rosie assured her each time, but she still couldn't accept her sincere praises of her performances. Looking In, I Am Free, Close My Eyes, Outside, Fly Like A Bird, Camouflage, and Potrait all tell the story of MC's identity self-image issue. Losing her voice has only made it worse for MC.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 10:27)
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Observation (102,434)
by Randy from USA
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As tired as you are of us picking Mariah apart, we are tired of being told that we are not fans and we are evil people. Nobody's mad because MC doesn't have the same voice as 1990. Hell, she didn't even have the same voice in 1998. The real issue is the deception and the excuses. How did she go from saying publicly, :I would never lip sync" in the 90s to lip syncing most of her climaxes in 99 and beyond? And then not telling us what happened? I didn't want to do this on this board but a few years ago, I put together all of MCs excuses. In her own words. I don't ever argue without receipts. Oh and I still love MC. You can view the video here.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 01:02)
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Observation (102,440)
by Stacey from USA
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Preach Randy. Preach.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 08:51)
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Observation (102,434)
by Randy from USA
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As tired as you are of us picking Mariah apart, we are tired of being told that we are not fans and we are evil people. Nobody's mad because MC doesn't have the same voice as 1990. Hell, she didn't even have the same voice in 1998. The real issue is the deception and the excuses. How did she go from saying publicly, :I would never lip sync" in the 90s to lip syncing most of her climaxes in 99 and beyond? And then not telling us what happened? I didn't want to do this on this board but a few years ago, I put together all of MCs excuses. In her own words. I don't ever argue without receipts. Oh and I still love MC. You can view the video here.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 01:02)
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Observation (102,439)
by Terna from Nigeria
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Your little video doesn't prove anything Randy, because most of the "excuses" were actually complaints of her having to get up early in the morning to sing which many other credible singers and performers have also echoed from Whitney Houston to Dionne Warwick, Aretha Franklin, Michael Bolton etc. Even most recently Chaka Khan's comment on Mary J. Blige's cover of her song referenced this well known fact - singers do not wake up early to sing well first thing in the morning. It is a common phenomenon they all know.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 08:27)
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Observation (102,434)
by Randy from USA
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As tired as you are of us picking Mariah apart, we are tired of being told that we are not fans and we are evil people. Nobody's mad because MC doesn't have the same voice as 1990. Hell, she didn't even have the same voice in 1998. The real issue is the deception and the excuses. How did she go from saying publicly, :I would never lip sync" in the 90s to lip syncing most of her climaxes in 99 and beyond? And then not telling us what happened? I didn't want to do this on this board but a few years ago, I put together all of MCs excuses. In her own words. I don't ever argue without receipts. Oh and I still love MC. You can view the video here.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 01:02)
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Observation (102,438)
by Libra Lamb from USA
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Although I do not come here to bash or pick MC apart, I don't need anyone telling me if I classify as a fan or not. I simply did not wish her a "Happy Anniversary " because I was too busy celebrating my own grandmother's 95th birthday. Also, this is a fan board, not a direct link to her, it's not guaranteed that she would even see it here. I have, however, wished her well and sent lovely direct messages to her via social media, and guess what? No response. But I don't care, I am sure she's too busy to acknowledge everyone just like I was busy on her birthday. It's not that deep. Take it easy.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 05:02)
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Observation (102,419)
by Lady B from USA
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Many people on this board who post negative things about Mariah like to hid behind they "care" and are "fans", but are being "honest" and sometimes that means tough love. I'm on record as saying I think that's largely malarky, and they snidely deride me when I say that, But for a "fan board" very few folks wished her Happy Anniversary, and none of the regular critics. Indeed, plenty of posts before and after, but very few on the day of. Compare that to other fan boards of other artists, which have a higher percentage of posters who are actual, well fans.
(Wednesday 29 March 2023; 16:09)
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Observation (102,437)
by Lady B from USA
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You're arguing with yourself. I never called anyone evil, I just said folks hiding behind "actually, we're the real fans because we care enough to speak up" show who they really are by not acknowledging her anniversary, a simple yet non-trivial act if one is a fan of someone. That you list all the reasons you don't like her anymore as "receipts" of some argument you're having with yourself doesn't disprove my point (quite the contrary that you spent so much time putting that together but couldn't wish her a happy anniversary).
I'll hang up and listen whilst you yell at the clouds. Peace.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 04:35)
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Observation (102,434)
by Randy from USA
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As tired as you are of us picking Mariah apart, we are tired of being told that we are not fans and we are evil people. Nobody's mad because MC doesn't have the same voice as 1990. Hell, she didn't even have the same voice in 1998. The real issue is the deception and the excuses. How did she go from saying publicly, :I would never lip sync" in the 90s to lip syncing most of her climaxes in 99 and beyond? And then not telling us what happened? I didn't want to do this on this board but a few years ago, I put together all of MCs excuses. In her own words. I don't ever argue without receipts. Oh and I still love MC. You can view the video here.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 01:02)
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Observation (102,436)
by Sasha from Nomansland
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It's just ridiculous.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 03:18)
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Observation (102,435)
by Mariahsbaby from usa
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You would think a "fan" would (and should) know that Mariah celebrities her anniversaries and not birthdays.
God bless you Lady B. [censored] Mariah Careys legacy and accomplishments will never be diminished by the words from a mouth lmfao. This board and get really dark sometimes, I wish I saw just a glimpse of the love Mariah pour on us every time on this message-board.
PS: I don't know why people are so impatient over new music when she is clearly working on it and has said numerous times that the tv series is her priority. Even though I want a Netflix documentary first. We need to remind the masses and the lambs of the [censored] she really is.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 02:00)
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Observation (102,435)
by Mariahsbaby from usa
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You would think a "fan" would (and should) know that Mariah celebrities her anniversaries and not birthdays.
God bless you Lady B. [censored] Mariah Careys legacy and accomplishments will never be diminished by the words from a mouth lmfao. This board and get really dark sometimes, I wish I saw just a glimpse of the love Mariah pour on us every time on this message-board.
PS: I don't know why people are so impatient over new music when she is clearly working on it and has said numerous times that the tv series is her priority. Even though I want a Netflix documentary first. We need to remind the masses and the lambs of the [censored] she really is.
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Observation (102,432)
by Sasha from Nomansland
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Mariah doesn't acknowledge her own birthday so why should we?
(Saturday 1 April 2023; 22:19)
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Observation (102,434)
by Randy from USA
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As tired as you are of us picking Mariah apart, we are tired of being told that we are not fans and we are evil people. Nobody's mad because MC doesn't have the same voice as 1990. Hell, she didn't even have the same voice in 1998. The real issue is the deception and the excuses. How did she go from saying publicly, :I would never lip sync" in the 90s to lip syncing most of her climaxes in 99 and beyond? And then not telling us what happened? I didn't want to do this on this board but a few years ago, I put together all of MCs excuses. In her own words. I don't ever argue without receipts. Oh and I still love MC. You can view the video here.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 01:02)
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Observation (102,431)
by Lady B from USA
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So much so that folks can't bring themselves to wish her Happy Anniversary? Come on now. Also, assuming what you say is true, do Michael Jordan fans constant bemoan him because he cannot jump the same way he did when he was 23?
(Saturday 1 April 2023; 21:38)
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Observation (102,433)
by Bill from the UK
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Michael Jordan doesn't use studio trickery and smoke and mirrors to pretend he still can jump though.
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 00:46)
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Observation (102,431)
by Lady B from USA
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So much so that folks can't bring themselves to wish her Happy Anniversary? Come on now. Also, assuming what you say is true, do Michael Jordan fans constant bemoan him because he cannot jump the same way he did when he was 23?
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Observation (102,432)
by Sasha from Nomansland
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Mariah doesn't acknowledge her own birthday so why should we?
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Observation (102,428)
by MC85 from Canada
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I agree with you Lady B. This is partly why I rarely post and haven't been visiting the board as much these days. Life has been especially hard lately for so many people, including me, and the world often seems like it's on the brink. Mariah and her music have always been and always will be a beacon of light in my life and I've been needing that more than ever lately.
I consider myself extremely lucky and am beyond grateful that Mariah continues to provide me with utter joy, the sense of peace, and the much needed reminder that I'm not truly alone thanks to her music. I just don't see the point in picking someone apart, criticizing them and constantly expressing disappointment towards them when they have given me so much life. That's just me though. I dunno
(Saturday 1 April 2023; 07:09)
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Observation (102,431)
by Lady B from USA
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So much so that folks can't bring themselves to wish her Happy Anniversary? Come on now. Also, assuming what you say is true, do Michael Jordan fans constant bemoan him because he cannot jump the same way he did when he was 23?
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Observation (102,430)
by Bobby A from United States
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I think that we are all frustrated that MC16 has not been released and she seems to have lost her beautiful gift. Listening to the introduction of Fantasy kind of brought tears to my eyes knowing that MC can't sing acapella anymore.
(Saturday 1 April 2023; 17:56)
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Observation (102,430)
by Bobby A from United States
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I think that we are all frustrated that MC16 has not been released and she seems to have lost her beautiful gift. Listening to the introduction of Fantasy kind of brought tears to my eyes knowing that MC can't sing acapella anymore.
(Saturday 1 April 2023; 17:56)
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Observation (102,428)
by MC85 from Canada
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I agree with you Lady B. This is partly why I rarely post and haven't been visiting the board as much these days. Life has been especially hard lately for so many people, including me, and the world often seems like it's on the brink. Mariah and her music have always been and always will be a beacon of light in my life and I've been needing that more than ever lately.
I consider myself extremely lucky and am beyond grateful that Mariah continues to provide me with utter joy, the sense of peace, and the much needed reminder that I'm not truly alone thanks to her music. I just don't see the point in picking someone apart, criticizing them and constantly expressing disappointment towards them when they have given me so much life. That's just me though. I dunno
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For The Record (102,429)
by Bobby A from United States
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It's the same for 4Real 4Real for me sung in my Mariah voice. By the way, didn't MC say in interviews that she and BMC recorded a total of 4 songs during their Capri sessions?
(Saturday 1 April 2023; 12:50)
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For The Record (102,426)
by Brad from USA
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Whenever I hear this phrase used around me, "For the record", I always sing it back to the person and add "you oughta know". This is such a personal point of reference for me. No one understands what I am doing when I do that, but at this point in life I feel I have earned the right to do that. Needless to say, I have always loved this song.
(Thursday 30 March 2023; 21:51)
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Observation (102,428)
by MC85 from Canada
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I agree with you Lady B. This is partly why I rarely post and haven't been visiting the board as much these days. Life has been especially hard lately for so many people, including me, and the world often seems like it's on the brink. Mariah and her music have always been and always will be a beacon of light in my life and I've been needing that more than ever lately.
I consider myself extremely lucky and am beyond grateful that Mariah continues to provide me with utter joy, the sense of peace, and the much needed reminder that I'm not truly alone thanks to her music. I just don't see the point in picking someone apart, criticizing them and constantly expressing disappointment towards them when they have given me so much life. That's just me though. I dunno
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Observation (102,419)
by Lady B from USA
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Many people on this board who post negative things about Mariah like to hid behind they "care" and are "fans", but are being "honest" and sometimes that means tough love. I'm on record as saying I think that's largely malarky, and they snidely deride me when I say that, But for a "fan board" very few folks wished her Happy Anniversary, and none of the regular critics. Indeed, plenty of posts before and after, but very few on the day of. Compare that to other fan boards of other artists, which have a higher percentage of posters who are actual, well fans.
(Wednesday 29 March 2023; 16:09)
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Mariah (102,427)
by Mariahsbaby from usa
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Mariah Carey is MC, just say you fell in love with Sony's manufactured imaginary doll and move on.
Mariah Carey greatest assets will always be her songwriting, Leona Lewis and the rest of the girls that can really sing is the testimony to that. Another prophecy of mine is the girl who sang the tribute for Mariah on the Songwriters Hall of Fame who can hit every imaginable note but if she doesn't pick up the pen and aims to exceed on that will never have any real success.
PS: I love Mariah's vocally challenging songs but somehow they are the least streamed and the least talked about songs. Nobody really cares for all that, 7/10 songs of her #1s are the easiest songs in her catalogue. Mariah is a true musician and she will forever be that girl.
(Friday 31 March 2023; 03:16)
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For The Record (102,426)
by Brad from USA
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Whenever I hear this phrase used around me, "For the record", I always sing it back to the person and add "you oughta know". This is such a personal point of reference for me. No one understands what I am doing when I do that, but at this point in life I feel I have earned the right to do that. Needless to say, I have always loved this song.
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For The Record (102,420)
by Bobby A from United States
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I had forgotten how good this song was to the ear. It doesn't sound like a BMC production.
(Wednesday 29 March 2023; 18:27)
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by Bobby A from United States
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We will know at the Lovers and Friends and L.A. Pride Fest performances if we are going to get a new album this year. If she sings Fantasy/Big Energy Remix and ABMB and no new songs, then we are not getting a new album this year. MC must be heartbroken about the deterioration of her voice.
(Thursday 30 March 2023; 19:21)
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Album delay (102,423)
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Does anyone else get the feeling that all these projects in the works that never see the light of day is really because she's stalling? I wonder if her voice is too far gone? Back in the 90's Mariah could bang out an album every year. Or could it be that she is scared of the commercial performance which is freezing her from putting anything out? She's been talking about the same three projects now for three years since 2020, and it's obvious nothing is coming this year. So that means it will be four years since we first heard about SUD or TBL. And next year will be six years since her last studio album. I personally don't mind if Caution is her last album, as it is that good, knowing full well that her next real studio album will probably be her last.
(Thursday 30 March 2023; 13:54)
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Will the real MC please stand up (102,424)
by T from USA
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I think both Mariah and MC are the real Ms. Carey. Obviously she was more focused at the beginning of her career but she also had something to prove. She was also handled in a certain way. I remember at the beginning she was only allowed to go on talk shows to sing, not talk. Because I think the machine was hiding the fact that she has anxiety but also were scared of her immature qualities to shine through. Her eternally 12 self. Now it's all her all the time. She lost the sweet innocent quality but that will happen after being jaded for 33 years now. Prisoner and Up Out My Face are not that different. The co-producer certainly has an impact on each song. Also, with the changes in her voice she had to compensate, it was also around the time that popular music was Britney, Christina, Spice Girls and Madonna. So a change was needed. She briefly returned to the old Mariah with Charmbracelet in 2002 but didn't have the voice on the record to back it up. The writing was top notch however. After the emancipation there was no going back. I think there are many sides to Mariah and all of them are real for her.
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Does anyone else get the feeling that all these projects in the works that never see the light of day is really because she's stalling? I wonder if her voice is too far gone? Back in the 90's Mariah could bang out an album every year. Or could it be that she is scared of the commercial performance which is freezing her from putting anything out? She's been talking about the same three projects now for three years since 2020, and it's obvious nothing is coming this year. So that means it will be four years since we first heard about SUD or TBL. And next year will be six years since her last studio album. I personally don't mind if Caution is her last album, as it is that good, knowing full well that her next real studio album will probably be her last.
(Thursday 30 March 2023; 13:54)
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For The Record (102,422)
by Lainsky from Philippines
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Yap, ditto. I totally agree that it's very Mariah but sounds new at the same time. I wish it was released and went to No. 1 too. It's too beautiful to be an album filler. A gem lost in mishandling the E=MC2 singles.
(Thursday 30 March 2023; 04:21)
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For The Record (102,421)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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Yes, it's so good. How I love this song from the beginning. It has the typical Mariah sound but also something new. In my fantasy it's a number one.
(Wednesday 29 March 2023; 20:17)
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