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It just occured to me (105,589)
by T from USA
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Correct. Everyone has been pleading with Mariah to do an uptempo song in full voice, belting with all the bells and whistles. She answered that call for everyone and look what it got her. It's the biggest flop thing she's been attached to since Triumphant. At least Triumphant got some play. Anyone who expects Mariah to do this kind of music again or remixes of any nature are in for a big shock. I don't actually expect an album at all this year after this. At least I hope not. What kind of record label is seriously going to take a chance on her. Dismal sales, no radio or streaming. It would be too much work to have a successful project. Probably not even possible at this point. Look at independent artist Usher for example. He had a Halftime performance and still only sold 81k in his first week. If YAR was a smash hit and her remix brought it back to #1, then people would take notice, but not this. This is the worst thing for MC right now. I think she should take five years away after MC30th anniversary later this year. Come back at the end of the decade with something completely unexpected. Fresh, new but true to her. She's basically only got one more in her so she might as well take all the time she needs and do it 100 percent right. A Cher Believe situation.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 23:35)
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It just occured to me (105,587)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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Ugh unfortunately. In 2018 I didn't even think they'd ever collaborate. Forget #1 at this point, I was hoping for a good chart placement, but it looks like Ariana's team has abandoned ship, because they're releasing new remixes of the OG version and I haven't seen a single new post promoting the collaboration since Day 1. I feel like the excitement was definitely there when they announced, but a few things lead to it just being another missed opportunity. (1) Ariana's current reputation of a homewrecker and yes, and? being taken as a "I'm a home wrecker, yes, and?" (2) People not feeling Mariah belting. (3) There wasn't much promo after first day. (4) Mariah doesn't have much streaming pull and the song would have been dependent on Ariana's huge streaming pull, but Ariana is going through a slump. (5) People thinking this song isn't Mariah's type. (6) The song had already peaked and was free falling, so hopping on the remix didn't really make the "shock" impact of the MC-AG that their teams were hoping for. Makes me sad that it looks like all MC's new eras are staying relevant for like what on average 24 hours. I feel like a few live performances, little videos of why they collaborated or how they landed on this song to collab and all would have added to the hype, also of course a replayable MV. But I guess that's a wrap. I was reading somewhere that they messaged a radio station regarding why the station was playing the remix instead of the original, but the station said they weren't sent the remix. So honestly it's just sad that these era's are getting shorter with every release.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 21:50)
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Herd mentality (105,588)
by Tevin from USA
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Edward please don't leave.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 22:35)
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Herd mentality (105,576)
by Edward from USA
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I do not follow the herd mentality. It's perfectly fine if 99 percent of people love the "Yes, And?" remix. I've always advocated for people expressing their opinions here, even if they differ from my own. I will respectfully express my views, even if they diverge from the prevailing consensus.
I think it's time for me to take a break from this board. Peace to all. 
(Monday 19 February 2024; 17:29)
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It just occured to me (105,587)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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Ugh unfortunately. In 2018 I didn't even think they'd ever collaborate. Forget #1 at this point, I was hoping for a good chart placement, but it looks like Ariana's team has abandoned ship, because they're releasing new remixes of the OG version and I haven't seen a single new post promoting the collaboration since Day 1. I feel like the excitement was definitely there when they announced, but a few things lead to it just being another missed opportunity. (1) Ariana's current reputation of a homewrecker and yes, and? being taken as a "I'm a home wrecker, yes, and?" (2) People not feeling Mariah belting. (3) There wasn't much promo after first day. (4) Mariah doesn't have much streaming pull and the song would have been dependent on Ariana's huge streaming pull, but Ariana is going through a slump. (5) People thinking this song isn't Mariah's type. (6) The song had already peaked and was free falling, so hopping on the remix didn't really make the "shock" impact of the MC-AG that their teams were hoping for. Makes me sad that it looks like all MC's new eras are staying relevant for like what on average 24 hours. I feel like a few live performances, little videos of why they collaborated or how they landed on this song to collab and all would have added to the hype, also of course a replayable MV. But I guess that's a wrap. I was reading somewhere that they messaged a radio station regarding why the station was playing the remix instead of the original, but the station said they weren't sent the remix. So honestly it's just sad that these era's are getting shorter with every release.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 21:50)
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It just occured to me (105,582)
by jaker20 from US
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That Mariah just had a collab with Ariana, and it's a remix.  A 2018 me would think that if they ever work together, it's going to be the biggest news of the year, it's going to be an event, it's going be their song together and not one or the other just hopping in, and it'll debut at no.1 based on their names alone, whatever the quality of the song. Now that moment is gone. It cannot be repeated. 
(Monday 19 February 2024; 20:37)
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Stacey and Robert (105,586)
by Bobby A from United States
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Okay. As long as you don't take two weeks off. This board would not be same if you left us Edward. Hurry MC.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 21:43)
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Stacey and Robert (105,585)
by Edward from USA
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It's just little break. I'm not leaving board.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 21:35)
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Stacey and Robert (105,585)
by Edward from USA
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It's just little break. I'm not leaving board.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 21:35)
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,584)
by Terna from Nigeria
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I only pointed out the obvious, and suggested a solution. I do applaud fans such as Edward who call it as it is, without mincing words unapologetically. Now if only Mariah had even just one person on her team, that was bold enough to mirror the obvious observation.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 21:33)
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,575)
by Edward from USA
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While you may not be a fashion expert, you still hold opinions on fashion, just as others may have opinions on medical matters. As I mentioned, these are simply opinions. While I might disagree with your opinion, I would never discourage you from expressing it.
One need not be an expert to recognize when Mariah doesn't look great in certain outfits, just as one need not be a doctor to sense when something is amiss health-wise with someone. Speculation is something we can all engage in, regardless of our expertise.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 17:14)
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Herd mentality (105,583)
by Bobby A from United States
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Don't leave Edward. We need you here. You have always supported me when the bully attacked me.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 21:07)
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Herd mentality (105,576)
by Edward from USA
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I do not follow the herd mentality. It's perfectly fine if 99 percent of people love the "Yes, And?" remix. I've always advocated for people expressing their opinions here, even if they differ from my own. I will respectfully express my views, even if they diverge from the prevailing consensus.
I think it's time for me to take a break from this board. Peace to all.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 17:29)
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It just occured to me (105,582)
by jaker20 from US
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That Mariah just had a collab with Ariana, and it's a remix. A 2018 me would think that if they ever work together, it's going to be the biggest news of the year, it's going to be an event, it's going be their song together and not one or the other just hopping in, and it'll debut at no.1 based on their names alone, whatever the quality of the song. Now that moment is gone. It cannot be repeated.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 20:37)
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Writing (105,581)
by jaker20 from US
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For the record, Mariah has written a bunch of songs for Allure and Trey Lorenz. I agree though, she should do it more often.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 20:28)
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Writing (105,578)
by Bobby A from United States
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I would for MC to form a new R&B girl group that she sets on the road to stardom using her 30 plus years in the music industry. They have to be in their early 20s so that they will listen to MC's guidance and expertise.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 19:02)
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Herd mentality (105,580)
by Stacey from USA
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No. Come back.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 20:12)
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Herd mentality (105,576)
by Edward from USA
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I do not follow the herd mentality. It's perfectly fine if 99 percent of people love the "Yes, And?" remix. I've always advocated for people expressing their opinions here, even if they differ from my own. I will respectfully express my views, even if they diverge from the prevailing consensus.
I think it's time for me to take a break from this board. Peace to all.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 17:29)
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Writing (105,579)
by Jamie from UK
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Maybe she does under a different name.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 19:07)
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Writing (105,574)
by Edward from USA
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I believe this is something Mariah should have pursued long ago, especially considering the lengthy gaps between her album releases. Given her talent and experience, she could have been an exceptional record producer/lyricist for other artists. I wonder why she never chose to explore this avenue.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 17:05)
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Writing (105,578)
by Bobby A from United States
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I would for MC to form a new R&B girl group that she sets on the road to stardom using her 30 plus years in the music industry. They have to be in their early 20s so that they will listen to MC's guidance and expertise.
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Writing (105,572)
by Tevin from USA
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I really hope within the next couple of years Mariah starts writing and possibly produce songs for other people. Whether for pop stars or rnb singers, up and coming or established. What singers would you love Mariah to write and or produce songs for?
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,577)
by Bobby A from United States
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This is a hot topic today. MC should not keep us waiting for new music this long ever again.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 18:56)
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,575)
by Edward from USA
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While you may not be a fashion expert, you still hold opinions on fashion, just as others may have opinions on medical matters. As I mentioned, these are simply opinions. While I might disagree with your opinion, I would never discourage you from expressing it.
One need not be an expert to recognize when Mariah doesn't look great in certain outfits, just as one need not be a doctor to sense when something is amiss health-wise with someone. Speculation is something we can all engage in, regardless of our expertise.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 17:14)
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Herd mentality (105,576)
by Edward from USA
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I do not follow the herd mentality. It's perfectly fine if 99 percent of people love the "Yes, And?" remix. I've always advocated for people expressing their opinions here, even if they differ from my own. I will respectfully express my views, even if they diverge from the prevailing consensus.
I think it's time for me to take a break from this board. Peace to all.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 17:29)
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,575)
by Edward from USA
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While you may not be a fashion expert, you still hold opinions on fashion, just as others may have opinions on medical matters. As I mentioned, these are simply opinions. While I might disagree with your opinion, I would never discourage you from expressing it.
One need not be an expert to recognize when Mariah doesn't look great in certain outfits, just as one need not be a doctor to sense when something is amiss health-wise with someone. Speculation is something we can all engage in, regardless of our expertise.
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,573)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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Being a doctor and fashion expert are two vastly different things. One deals with people's health, life and death and needs a very high level of expertise. Anyone can be a fashion expert you just need to have good taste and an eye for what's fashionable. It's not the same. It's not even a debate.
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Writing (105,574)
by Edward from USA
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I believe this is something Mariah should have pursued long ago, especially considering the lengthy gaps between her album releases. Given her talent and experience, she could have been an exceptional record producer/lyricist for other artists. I wonder why she never chose to explore this avenue.
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Writing (105,572)
by Tevin from USA
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I really hope within the next couple of years Mariah starts writing and possibly produce songs for other people. Whether for pop stars or rnb singers, up and coming or established. What singers would you love Mariah to write and or produce songs for?
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,573)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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Being a doctor and fashion expert are two vastly different things. One deals with people's health, life and death and needs a very high level of expertise. Anyone can be a fashion expert you just need to have good taste and an eye for what's fashionable. It's not the same. It's not even a debate.
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,569)
by Edward from USA
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It's merely an opinion, akin to when you suggest certain outfits or styles for her to wear or not. You're not a fashion expert, just as I am not a doctor. However, we form our opinions based on what we observe. It's not as though Mariah is going to discard her wardrobe at the suggestion of one, or opt for surgical procedures at the suggestion of another.
Listening to the remix, it's apparent that there may be some significant issues with her voice. Whether we choose to gloss over it is a separate matter.
Considering we're discussing Mariah Carey here, the legend, hearing her on a remix sounding like this is quite perplexing to me, that's all. I now understand why she probably hasn't released new music in a such a long time.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 15:29)
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Writing (105,572)
by Tevin from USA
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I really hope within the next couple of years Mariah starts writing and possibly produce songs for other people. Whether for pop stars or rnb singers, up and coming or established. What singers would you love Mariah to write and or produce songs for?
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No, but (105,571)
by Edward from USA
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I wasn't fixated on the song's chart performance, my primary focus was Mariah matching Ariana's delivery. I didn't expect Mariah to overshadow Ariana or turn it into a vocal showdown, I just I simply hoped they'd harmonize well together.
Ariana didn't resing anything for the remix, much like how Mariah didn't resing anything for "Whenever You Call" with Brian McKnight. The ball was on Mariah's court, she had the opportunity to elevate the song with her input. A mere loud whistle or high note no longer suffices. Ariana's whistle notes seamlessly integrate into the song, whereas Mariah's feel less natural.
I'm hopeful that a proper collaboration between Mariah and Ariana on Mariah's next album will yield a timeless song akin to "When You Believe". Sorry if that's too much to ask.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 15:58)
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No, but (105,568)
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Worst case scenario. The song tanked off the Spotify top 200 in two days. People do not enjoy this song. We know how Mariah reacts when something bombs this bad. She will go in a completely different direction. Distance herself from this sound which means Max Martin no more. Dance music no more. Upbeat music with belting no more. Hoping on a younger artist's song no more. It's going to be slow beat ballads going forward lol.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 15:03)
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Yes, And, I Don't (105,570)
by Shezz from Pk
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Amen.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 15:45)
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Yes, And, I Don't (105,563)
by Jamie from UK
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I think this track is what it is, I like the song. I liked it when it was just Ariana. Having Mariah on it now singing up beat is music to my ears. Is it Mariah's best performance no, but is it really her worst? I'd rather have this over I Don't any day. I think we need to cut her some slack, she's never gonna blow us away as she once did, she's 54 this year and unfortunately has declining vocals which I'm sure she herself is very well aware of. I was actually quite happy with her vocals on this track, let's be honest we've heard worse over the last few years. For a long time now we've been asking for Mariah to get herself together, she's finally started to clean up her act, her public presence and persona is back up to where it should be, her PR is back to where it should be and she's getting lots of attention and respect from fellow artists. Yet we continue to dissect everything she does and bash her when she finally does something positive. I would love Mariah to have her full 90's vocals back and to some degree her personality, but unfortunately it's not gonna happen. Vocal decline has happened for various reasons and she suffered a major breakdown which has changed her as it would. Not forgetting she's been living this famous life for a long time now and as much as stars say they haven't changed. They always do over time one way or another, hey non famous people change over time believe it or not. Nobody is the same or doing the same things as they once did 25 plus years ago. But instead of tearing her down let's give her praise for still being here, making music and gracing us with her presence for nearly 34 years, I'd much rather have her still with us than not. The track isn't that bad and who knows what's in-store for us this year on her solo projects. Let's celebrate Mariah.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 03:14)
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,569)
by Edward from USA
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It's merely an opinion, akin to when you suggest certain outfits or styles for her to wear or not. You're not a fashion expert, just as I am not a doctor. However, we form our opinions based on what we observe. It's not as though Mariah is going to discard her wardrobe at the suggestion of one, or opt for surgical procedures at the suggestion of another.
Listening to the remix, it's apparent that there may be some significant issues with her voice. Whether we choose to gloss over it is a separate matter.
Considering we're discussing Mariah Carey here, the legend, hearing her on a remix sounding like this is quite perplexing to me, that's all. I now understand why she probably hasn't released new music in a such a long time.
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,567)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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I said this before and I'll say it again, let us leave the sentiments at constructive criticism and avoid giving out medical advice. She's in her 50s, there could be a lot of reasons why she would want to avoid a surgery. We don't know if there's any risk to her health. Also even if there are no risks to her health, we should not be telling her what procedures she needs to do. We're not doctors and if any of you are, you haven't treated her. Also just out of basic decency, it's a no no.
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No, but (105,568)
by T from USA
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Worst case scenario. The song tanked off the Spotify top 200 in two days. People do not enjoy this song. We know how Mariah reacts when something bombs this bad. She will go in a completely different direction. Distance herself from this sound which means Max Martin no more. Dance music no more. Upbeat music with belting no more. Hoping on a younger artist's song no more. It's going to be slow beat ballads going forward lol.
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,567)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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I said this before and I'll say it again, let us leave the sentiments at constructive criticism and avoid giving out medical advice. She's in her 50s, there could be a lot of reasons why she would want to avoid a surgery. We don't know if there's any risk to her health. Also even if there are no risks to her health, we should not be telling her what procedures she needs to do. We're not doctors and if any of you are, you haven't treated her. Also just out of basic decency, it's a no no.
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And yes, Mariah's sound (105,559)
by Edward from USA
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I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. It's perplexing how even studio production couldn't conceal or refine her delivery on the "Yes, And?" remix. Your point about the microphone possibly capturing the true state of her voice makes sense. Considering this is the best she could come up with even with studio manipulations, it leaves me curious about the raw quality of her vocals. At this stage, when even her whistle register is lacking its usual brilliance, I believe it might be prudent for her to consider undergoing vocal nodule removal.
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Let's get it to number one (105,566)
by Bobby A from United States
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Thank you Edward for the clarification. It's been so long since MC had a ride in the Billboard 10. All of these new chart rules are so confusing. Will we know Tuesday or Wednesday?
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Let's get it to number one (105,561)
by Edward from USA
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Both versions of the song are considered as one for charting purposes, with only the most popular version being displayed on the charts. This was the case with the Big Energy Remix; while it certainly boosted the original track's visibility, it didn't surpass its popularity. Consequently, Mariah's version didn't appear on the charts. It's not that she wasn't credited, she was, but the version she was credited for wasn't the most popular one.
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Yes, And, I Don't (105,565)
by Bobby A from United States
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Great post Jamie. At this point, I hope she gives us MC16. I would accept MIAM vocals and be happy. Her vocal decline is too far gone now that I think surgery on her nodules would not help at this point. Can she give us Fantasy type of vocals? Probably not. Will she be able to give us TMB or #Beautiful type of vocals? I think she will be able to that. TCOM Vegas shows will let us know the type vocals we can expect. However, I feel the shows will be 70% lipped to a backing track.
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I think this track is what it is, I like the song. I liked it when it was just Ariana. Having Mariah on it now singing up beat is music to my ears. Is it Mariah's best performance no, but is it really her worst? I'd rather have this over I Don't any day. I think we need to cut her some slack, she's never gonna blow us away as she once did, she's 54 this year and unfortunately has declining vocals which I'm sure she herself is very well aware of. I was actually quite happy with her vocals on this track, let's be honest we've heard worse over the last few years. For a long time now we've been asking for Mariah to get herself together, she's finally started to clean up her act, her public presence and persona is back up to where it should be, her PR is back to where it should be and she's getting lots of attention and respect from fellow artists. Yet we continue to dissect everything she does and bash her when she finally does something positive. I would love Mariah to have her full 90's vocals back and to some degree her personality, but unfortunately it's not gonna happen. Vocal decline has happened for various reasons and she suffered a major breakdown which has changed her as it would. Not forgetting she's been living this famous life for a long time now and as much as stars say they haven't changed. They always do over time one way or another, hey non famous people change over time believe it or not. Nobody is the same or doing the same things as they once did 25 plus years ago. But instead of tearing her down let's give her praise for still being here, making music and gracing us with her presence for nearly 34 years, I'd much rather have her still with us than not. The track isn't that bad and who knows what's in-store for us this year on her solo projects. Let's celebrate Mariah.
(Monday 19 February 2024; 03:14)
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