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I Don't Wanna Cry (103,565) by Bobby A from United States I thought about this IDWC this morning. It kind of reminds me of WBT in 1990. I know MC and Narada disagreed during the recording of IDWC because MC kept adding vocals to what he thought was the final version. I would love to hear the two versions side by side one day. I am pretty sure Narada's version is the one on the album. By the way, I hope we hear Lose Control one day too. (Sunday 24 September 2023; 13:35)

Triumphant (103,564) by Andrew from the UK My friend Aaron at the time who would mock Mariah really really loved the Triumphant remixes. But for those, the entire project was a mess. As was most things Mariah did post-Nick Cannon. Oh, what could have been. Triumphant started really well but then the second rap verse is a bizarre mess: Lamborghinis and blond bombshells? Really fits the message. (Sunday 24 September 2023; 02:07) this is a reply to message 103,557

Triumphant (103,557) by Jamie from UK I really like Triumphant. I like the message behind it, I understand why it didn't do great as she's only technically featured on the chorus and the performance at rocafella just highlighted that fact as she just showed her face half way through the performance. So that didn't help. Perhaps if she's titled it Rick Ross-Meek Mill-Mariah Carey Triumphant it might have got more attention. As I think more people were too busy discussing her lack of presence on her own single as apposed to the actual song. But who knows. Fantastic remixes too. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 14:04)

Music Box (103,563) by Andrew from the UK What's the general consensus here? Did record companies "add" extra bonus tracks to UK editions in the 90s to warrant no exchange rate adjustment - or did they simply remove a track for the US to encourage American citizens to purchase two copies? (Sunday 24 September 2023; 01:56) this is a reply to message 103,558

Music Box (103,558) by Jamie from UK Yes it was put on the same day as MB30 would be interested too. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 15:49)

Imperfect (103,562) by Bobby A from United States I would love for Imperfect to remixed as a club version and brought to life by Gorgon City or Disclosure. They are known for taking a song and injecting some life into the track. I wonder if The Dream and Tricky Stewart are actually the writers on Imperfect because it does not sound like a The Dream collaboration. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 19:15)

#Beautiful (103,561) by Bobby A from United States I just wonder if some of the tracks intended for The Art Of Letting Go album will be found in the vault. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 19:11) this is a reply to message 103,553

#Beautiful (103,553) by Andrew from the UK On the way home today I was listening to music from around this era - including #Beautiful, The Art of Letting Go and Triumphant. I am getting a new rekindling for this era. And especially Triumphant. I used to quite dislike it. It's really fresh sounding still. Really awesome to listen to. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 04:03)

Triumphant (103,560) by Bobby A from United States I think MC envisioned the video at the same time she wrote Triumphant. The MC is like the cheerleader who cheering on two contenders in the song and video. It worked for the video, but not for radio airplay and live performances. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 18:32) this is a reply to message 103,559

Triumphant (103,559) by BFF from United States I think "Triumphant" had potential, but she should have scaled back the guest artists. I also remember one of the complaints about "#Beautiful" was her lack of presence on her own song. I love "#Beautiful" as a record, but I do remember wondering why Mariah was featured so little on her own song. I suspect that Miguel had already partially written/recorded the song before he and Mariah decided to collaborate. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 16:08)

Triumphant (103,559) by BFF from United States I think "Triumphant" had potential, but she should have scaled back the guest artists. I also remember one of the complaints about "#Beautiful" was her lack of presence on her own song. I love "#Beautiful" as a record, but I do remember wondering why Mariah was featured so little on her own song. I suspect that Miguel had already partially written/recorded the song before he and Mariah decided to collaborate. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 16:08) this is a reply to message 103,557

Triumphant (103,557) by Jamie from UK I really like Triumphant. I like the message behind it, I understand why it didn't do great as she's only technically featured on the chorus and the performance at rocafella just highlighted that fact as she just showed her face half way through the performance. So that didn't help. Perhaps if she's titled it Rick Ross-Meek Mill-Mariah Carey Triumphant it might have got more attention. As I think more people were too busy discussing her lack of presence on her own single as apposed to the actual song. But who knows. Fantastic remixes too. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 14:04)

Music Box (103,558) by Jamie from UK Yes it was put on the same day as MB30 would be interested too. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 15:49) this is a reply to message 103,556

Music Box (103,556) by Bill from the UK Interestingly, the non-MB30 edition of Music Box, that was on streaming services at the US 10-track edition, has now added "Everything Fades Away" as the 11th track. I can only speak for UK streaming, would be interested to see what, if anything, has been done across the pond. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 11:40)

Triumphant (103,557) by Jamie from UK I really like Triumphant. I like the message behind it, I understand why it didn't do great as she's only technically featured on the chorus and the performance at rocafella just highlighted that fact as she just showed her face half way through the performance. So that didn't help. Perhaps if she's titled it Rick Ross-Meek Mill-Mariah Carey Triumphant it might have got more attention. As I think more people were too busy discussing her lack of presence on her own single as apposed to the actual song. But who knows. Fantastic remixes too. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 14:04) this is a reply to message 103,553

#Beautiful (103,553) by Andrew from the UK On the way home today I was listening to music from around this era - including #Beautiful, The Art of Letting Go and Triumphant. I am getting a new rekindling for this era. And especially Triumphant. I used to quite dislike it. It's really fresh sounding still. Really awesome to listen to. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 04:03)

Music Box (103,556) by Bill from the UK Interestingly, the non-MB30 edition of Music Box, that was on streaming services at the US 10-track edition, has now added "Everything Fades Away" as the 11th track. I can only speak for UK streaming, would be interested to see what, if anything, has been done across the pond. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 11:40)

#Beautiful (103,555) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia If only Mariah and her company had a good planning and marketing, #Beautiful could be her 19 No 1 and You Don’t Know What To Do (replacing You’re Mine) is the 20 No 1. Then Mariah can have another No 1 for A No No (replacing With You) and end everything with All I Want For Christmas Is You for her 22 No 1. Then she can respectfully retire with 22 songs that reached the top of Billboard Hot 100 Singles chart. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 09:41) this is a reply to message 103,551

#Beautiful (103,551) by jaker20 from US There's a smash hit hidden somewhere in this song. It has 5 remixes but they landed in the wrong hands who were not inspired it. This David Guetta convo has me thinking. The song has a classic beat and someone like him would do wonders with it. (Friday 22 September 2023; 20:55)

Fandom base (103,554) by Andrew from the UK Do yourself a favour: allow your obsession with group identities to take a back seat and I believe your sensitivity towards the conflict of your own sexuality and race will, also. Set yourself free. It's really not that hard. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 04:15) this is a reply to message 103,550

Fandom base (103,550) by Geronimo from USA The question about straight male fans is an interesting one. The question is not essentially about what MC fans are doing with their genitalia, but, in part, how MC's "brand significance" to gay/queer consumers impacts her straight male fans who love her today like Tupac loved her in the 90s. There is an impact whether or not anyone thinks there should be an impact. Thus, the conversation elicits interest. (Friday 22 September 2023; 17:36)

#Beautiful (103,553) by Andrew from the UK On the way home today I was listening to music from around this era - including #Beautiful, The Art of Letting Go and Triumphant. I am getting a new rekindling for this era. And especially Triumphant. I used to quite dislike it. It's really fresh sounding still. Really awesome to listen to. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 04:03) this is a reply to message 103,551

#Beautiful (103,551) by jaker20 from US There's a smash hit hidden somewhere in this song. It has 5 remixes but they landed in the wrong hands who were not inspired it. This David Guetta convo has me thinking. The song has a classic beat and someone like him would do wonders with it. (Friday 22 September 2023; 20:55)

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,552) by Andrew from the UK "Did the article really need to be summarized with an uninformed reference to M.E. Dyson? No." You are correct: it did not need to be. However, being a somewhat well-read and -informed individual, it struck me as an appropriate comparison to make. Thus: I wanted it to be. Were I uninformed I would, ostensibly, not have known of Dyson to make reference to him. That you do not argue that he is not a verbose twat is telling. I could, with much evidentiary support, prove that he is. But it would be missing the point. As you do - quite often. if I recall you correctly. If I am mistaken and you are new here, forgive me. As I grow older I try only to retain that which is important and founded in honesty, sincerity and humility. (I'll be 21 next week. I wear it well, I know.) "The winsome article was written clearly enough for literate people in the habit of reading about certain intersections of ethnic and queer identities in the 20th and 21st centuries." If you "habitually" read such texts it would be interesting to hear you argue against them. Absolutism is vulgar and the adherence to an over-arching and unspeakably arrogant social science such as queer theory is just that. You may be a gay person of colour - on that, I would bet the farm. And you may, or clearly do, subscribe to a narrative defended verbosely by a group of (alleged) intellectuals and commentators that support your emotional wellbeing. But, Big-G, the facts are simple: Mariah's songs are about being bi-racial, for the most part. That persons with other immutable characteristic can identify with them is great. I have often advocated for universality of lyrics in Mariah's songs versus Kitchen-Window lyrics. So Outside and other such songs are no less important to me than to you and of not you can be assured. But let us not redress things in hindsight and rewrite the narrative to suit a preferred outcome. This reminds me of the GLAAD award I remember writing about here quite some time ago. Mariah was not a vocal anti-homophobia advocate. She was so quiet on the subject that I think it took everybody by surprise that she won an award for it. Is Mariah a "gay icon"? Well, yes... if being one is determined by being popular with gay people. Has she fought vociferously for gay-rights and equality-legislation? Has she hell. Did she write some songs gay people liked that helped them with the feeling of ostracisation? Yup. But to dress it up in pseudo-intellectual speak is insulting. You can tie a bow around a turd, honey. You can even polish it. But it is what it is. It's a turd. Like that article. And like your pitiful and pointless response. And, also, like your heralding of "M.E. Dyson" (ironic that the initials were pretentiously added by you to really wax that turd lyrical). You are ill-equipped. Read more. (Saturday 23 September 2023; 04:01) this is a reply to message 103,549

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,549) by Geronimo from USA Did the article really need to be summarized with an uninformed reference to M.E. Dyson? No. The winsome article was written clearly enough for literate people in the habit of reading about certain intersections of ethnic and queer identities in the 20th and 21st centuries. (Friday 22 September 2023; 17:25)

#Beautiful (103,551) by jaker20 from US There's a smash hit hidden somewhere in this song. It has 5 remixes but they landed in the wrong hands who were not inspired it. This David Guetta convo has me thinking. The song has a classic beat and someone like him would do wonders with it. (Friday 22 September 2023; 20:55)

Fandom base (103,550) by Geronimo from USA The question about straight male fans is an interesting one. The question is not essentially about what MC fans are doing with their genitalia, but, in part, how MC's "brand significance" to gay/queer consumers impacts her straight male fans who love her today like Tupac loved her in the 90s. There is an impact whether or not anyone thinks there should be an impact. Thus, the conversation elicits interest. (Friday 22 September 2023; 17:36) this is a reply to message 103,539

Fandom base (103,539) by Andrew from the UK What bearing does sexual orientation (or "where people put their penis") and intersectionality have on anything? Why does it matter where the males that like Mariah Carey's music put their penis? I have known gay people that do not like her music. I have known straight people that do. I have never felt the need to discuss Mariah Carey and where they put their penis in any conversation. In the same respect, if you have ever known people who star in musical theatre you will routinely find that round half of them are straight and constantly get targetted and belittled for their work - by people who think it appropriate to discuss their sexuality and the associations. Who should be the least offended in these circumstances? The straight persons for being singled out for liking something "not macho"? Or the gay person for hearing that the preference itself is not macho and therefore assigned only to gay people by third parties? I think both parties have an equal claim to outrage. In regards to this board, I could not care less where the men on it put their penises nor where the women and intersex persons on it do with their own genitalia. To paraphrase a Stonewall slogan: "Most people are straight - get over it." (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 08:02)

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,549) by Geronimo from USA Did the article really need to be summarized with an uninformed reference to M.E. Dyson? No. The winsome article was written clearly enough for literate people in the habit of reading about certain intersections of ethnic and queer identities in the 20th and 21st centuries. (Friday 22 September 2023; 17:25) this is a reply to message 103,545

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,545) by Andrew from the UK What an absolute mess of an article. I thought Michael Dyson was the master of lumping a dozen clever sounding words together to sound intellectual whilst tinting the sentiment with post-modern intersectional politics and dusting with tropes conjured recently in the halls of academia. But this queer takes the win. Let me sum it up: Mariah wrote songs about feeling lonely and ostracised whilst young for having an immutable characteristic. Gay people at that age feel ostracised whilst young for having an immutable charactistic. Ergo: Mariah was important to gay people back then and so is loved by them still. What a pretentious queer. Further, I dare say my above use of the word "queer" above probably made most people here feel a little uncomfortable. But, hey, if the movement is saying it's a so-called reclaimed word and we just have to accept it, then I will call people who use that disgusting word to reference other people (for whom it was a painful pejorative) that exact word. (Thursday 21 September 2023; 02:38)

David Guetta and Fred Again (103,548) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I agree. Mariah lead the way in the '90's with helping to create the idea of a celebrity DJ, but never kept up with hottest celebrity DJ's after the Jump Smokers era who also had other massive hits and remixes with Britney Spears, Pitbull and Ke$ha. I love that she finally worked with DJ Khalid, but I would absolutely love an album of club bangers with hot celebrity DJ's who play the festival circuit. (Friday 22 September 2023; 16:16) this is a reply to message 103,547

David Guetta and Fred Again (103,547) by Bobby A from United States I think a David Guetta and Mariah Carey collaboration would be an instant radio hit. There is not one bad song that he's ever done for a major artist. Fred Again would be a nice collaboration too. I am hoping for more dance songs on the new album. (Friday 22 September 2023; 14:08)

David Guetta and Fred Again (103,547) by Bobby A from United States I think a David Guetta and Mariah Carey collaboration would be an instant radio hit. There is not one bad song that he's ever done for a major artist. Fred Again would be a nice collaboration too. I am hoping for more dance songs on the new album. (Friday 22 September 2023; 14:08)

MB30 - reflections (103,546) by Dennis from Miami, FL I'm more "satisfied" with MB30 release than with Butterfly 25. I don't know why. Probably, it's the nostalgia. Or I like her Music Box voice more. I really wish she had released "full voice" version of 4th of July. I've heard snippets on YouTube and I really would love to hear all the takes. Other than that I'm more than happy with whatever comes my way. Wishing all of you the best best "mi arma". Lots of love from the other side. (Thursday 21 September 2023; 16:56) this is a reply to message 103,478

MB30 - reflections (103,478) by Bill from the UK Now some time has passed, here are my thoughts. Disc 1: I've always loved the album, and never understood the group of fans that dismissed it. It's beautifully sung, expertly recorded, it showed more nuances to her voice than before, and her "pen game" as you kids call it these days for some reason, was superb. A 23 year-old writing Anytime You Need a Friend, Never Forget You, Hero, Dreamlover, Everything Fades Away? Wow. Speaking of Everything Fades Away, it was pleasing Mariah included this on the 'original' album. I know over the years each side of the pond has stated their case for the better finish to the album. Perhaps we can agree that All I've Ever Wanted is a gorgeous finale and send off, whereas Everything Fades Away is the hauntingly beautiful epilogue? Looking at this site's discography, more versions of the album included it than didn't, and it seems like Mariah herself views it as the true ending to the album. Disc 2: Okay wow. It's strange how on The Rarities, All I Live For was just, there. It was a pleasant little bop, but I was like "yeah, I get why it was left off." How is the extended version like a thousand times better? Honestly it elevates the song to a whole new level, and her vocals are astonishing. Great to see Luther added, as I always viewed Endless Love as part of the Music Box era, and was surprised the album never got re-issued to include it after it did so well. Workin' Hard and My Prayer I can't keep away from. I adore them. I am so sad they were locked up in the vault for 30 years, but look at them now having their day in the sun. The TOTP performances and remixes I am happy with, especially as the two full-length 10-minute epic and iconic club mixes were included. The only small hang up I have is with Hero (2009 Version). Firstly, it was recorded in 2008, so let's get that out the way. Second, I think I would have preferred the Spanish version to be included as it was 'of the time', whereas this was a good stretch afterwards, so it feels somewhat out of place. Everything else is from the period (save the two new mixes). I detested the re-recording when it came out to promote The Ballads, but as I have mellowed I see it was what it was. It's fine now, I'm at peace with it, but yeh. It's the only point where I pause briefly. Disc 3: We all love Proctor's Theatre don't we. What a concert. For many of us, the first one we saw. I also had two worn out VHS in my time, and then switched to the DVD when that was issued. It is my go-to 'comfort' concert. Whenever I've had a bad day and I need lifting up, or I'm perturbed by the world and all what's going on, I watch it. It takes me back to childhood, the wonder that was early Mariah, the nostalgia I wallow in, the happy memories it invokes. Like a few of you, every move, hand gesture, giggle, is committed to memory. Having it on audio is so, so good. General: Again, I never had an issue with the original cover. It was a bit botched on the cassette version as she was half a head, but the CD always looked beautiful. It gave a Marilyn Monroe vibe, and had a certain simplicity to it. The uncropped version is equally as nice though. If anyone's gone into panic mode over the physical release having a big border around the original cover, this is a slip case that will reveal the uncropped cover beneath it. But thank you Mariah, for everything. 10/10. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 10:08)

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,545) by Andrew from the UK What an absolute mess of an article. I thought Michael Dyson was the master of lumping a dozen clever sounding words together to sound intellectual whilst tinting the sentiment with post-modern intersectional politics and dusting with tropes conjured recently in the halls of academia. But this queer takes the win. Let me sum it up: Mariah wrote songs about feeling lonely and ostracised whilst young for having an immutable characteristic. Gay people at that age feel ostracised whilst young for having an immutable charactistic. Ergo: Mariah was important to gay people back then and so is loved by them still. What a pretentious queer. Further, I dare say my above use of the word "queer" above probably made most people here feel a little uncomfortable. But, hey, if the movement is saying it's a so-called reclaimed word and we just have to accept it, then I will call people who use that disgusting word to reference other people (for whom it was a painful pejorative) that exact word. (Thursday 21 September 2023; 02:38)

Hip Hop 50 September 15th (103,544) by The Real Deal from USA My friend attended and said that she never showed up and that Mary J. Blige did a bulk of the hosting, in addition to performing. (Wednesday 20 September 2023; 23:09) this is a reply to message 103,543

Hip Hop 50 September 15th (103,543) by Victor from Costa Rica Guys do you know what happened with this event? Wasn't supposed Mariah was one of the hosts? (Wednesday 20 September 2023; 19:47)

Hip Hop 50 September 15th (103,543) by Victor from Costa Rica Guys do you know what happened with this event? Wasn't supposed Mariah was one of the hosts? (Wednesday 20 September 2023; 19:47)

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,542) by Andrew from the UK Smaller ones? After we she paid for those puppies? Get real, Eddie. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 14:35) this is a reply to message 103,541

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,541) by Edward from USA Mariah suffers from imposed torticollis since 2008. As for #dem-tits, that's the effect of the push-up bras. She should get smaller ones. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 13:57)

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,541) by Edward from USA Mariah suffers from imposed torticollis since 2008. As for #dem-tits, that's the effect of the push-up bras. She should get smaller ones. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 13:57) this is a reply to message 103,540

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,540) by Andrew from the UK It is great to see Mariah looking thinner and healthier. Perhaps if she loses a bit more weight we will also see her head return to its normal angle on her neck. It is also great to see how much DemKids love DemKittens. And great that Mariah has finally started to put away DemTits. Gay or straight I think everyone can agree they've seen enough of them. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 09:26)

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