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Re: Michael Buble (100,471) (100,497) by T from USA There is nothing wrong with being a legacy act, it signifies that you've actually accomplished something worthwhile to fall back on. I think that's what L.A. Reid meant for her when she resigned with Sony in 2015. However she wasn't ready for that yet and decided that she wanted to make a current sounding album. Which she did under [Roc Nation] in 2018. Maybe the sales for Caution woke her up into realizing that. I'm just wondering why she didn't pull out all the stops like the old Mariah and fight to get Caution heard. If only to prove all the naysayers wrong. She did give up on it quite fast and thus resulted in her being seen like a legacy artist who was trying to stay current. Instead of a current recording artist releasing their new project. Look at Beyonce, nobody ever questions her new releases or asks her to only sing Halo from now on. If Mariah has decided to go down the legacy/Christmas route then I wish her well. I do wonder what would've happened if she went along with LA Reid back in 2015 and embraced her legacy, skipped the Stella era, would she be taken even more seriously? Then again we wouldn't have Caution if that was the case. (Friday 17 June 2022; 23:52)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,483) (100,496) by Mutton Dressed as Lamb from UK I wouldn't reference Google. Look at the definition in the DSM-5 instead. This isn't particularly typical bi polar presentation. A manic episode wouldn't just appear while she was on stage, it would've been present for at least 24/48 hours prior. If Mariah is receiving medical/therapeutic intervention then her condition is being poorly managed. It is a real shame that she doesn't appear to have any real friends or someone acting in her best interest. (Friday 17 June 2022; 23:52)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,491) (100,495) by Randy from USA My heart goes out to anyone suffering from mental orders or addiction. I don't think anyone here is trying to be heartless or cruel. Everyone wants MC to win. But knowing my struggles, I am bipolar, and I have had a lot of drinking issues in the past, Andrew would confirm but he's not here anymore. I know in order to do my job, I have to put in the work. I have to take my meds, exercise, pray, write, see my therapist and psychiatrist and do their homework assignments. I have a job where I can't have manic episodes because I would get fired and MC knows what needs to be done she just is clouded right now and has syncophants around her. I'm just glad this wasn't televised because I wasn't even checking for it. A Beyonce fan gleefully sent it to me at 9AM. I agree Edward. The ones that are still upholding everything MC does and saying slay queen, are another layer of embarrassment on top of the layers of embarrassment from the eternally 12 yo who needs her own lighting (remember on Ally McBeal when it was just a joke?) on top of layers of embarrassment from live televised performances. Oh wait we're lambs. Maybe it's just wool. (Friday 17 June 2022; 23:43)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,491) (100,494) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I donno, she was elated and excited for this award for months and years. She was over excited, and improving. Mariah told us at the beginning of her speech she was ignoring her prompts. She decided for an off the cuff approach. It reminds me of when she accepted the Ally GLADD Award; she just did her. The GLADD award speech was delivered and received by the community she was talking to so positively. I think she was attempting the same approach here, but staggered. I think she was in her mode of not taking her so seriously and poking fun at herself. MC pointing out how few women are in the Songwriters Hall of Fame should be the talking point, IMO. (Friday 17 June 2022; 23:30)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,475) (100,493) by Mò from South Africa Randy, you are not negative. The speech was horrible. *Closed my ears* Sad moment for true lambs. It was one of her most anticipated speeches as a songwriter, and it turned into self mockery. (Friday 17 June 2022; 23:29)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,486) (100,492) by Mò from South Africa Mariah is a professional, groomed from the start of her career for public appearances. What played out on that stage was tragic. (Friday 17 June 2022; 23:17)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,490) (100,491) by Edward from USA Because it's easier to justify. My brother is bipolar, he stopped having manic episodes when he was diagnosed and started taking his meds. His meds have been changed a few times, but nobody in my family is forcing meds into his mouth or have him on 24/7 watch, he knows he has to be responsible and take them. For those who are screaming some of us lack compassion, why don't you scream at Mariah to put the bottle down, and put the arsenal of resources she has at her disposal to work and take responsiblity by not mixing meds with substances. It's not like she doesn't know. There are many celebrities with mental illness, but they do what they have to do to avoid this type of situation. I have compassion for people with mental illness, especially those who don't have it easy with the resources. People in Mariah's circumstances make me mad because they know better than that. Now I know that every time Mariah acts weird and out of place, the bipolar card is the new excuse, typical lamb mentality, no wonder why they think we're all nuts. I wonder if the bipolar card covers horrible outfits too. (Friday 17 June 2022; 23:00)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,479) (100,490) by MusicfanJ from Germany "But she was almost a parody of herself. Absolutely heart breaking." Yes I thought the same. It was not easy to watch. I really wish Mariah would heal from whatever it causes the "problems". She has all the money and time to take care of herself. If she feels so bad, why not take some time without that showbiz circus. And then come back healthy and authentic. I hope she feels better soon. "After every storm a rainbow appears." (Friday 17 June 2022; 22:11)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,487) (100,489) by jaker20 from US Some of you are just absolutely insufferable heartless human beings. That's what you guys are. She's obviously nervous, and that always triggers her anxieties and disorder. (Friday 17 June 2022; 21:56)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,483) (100,488) by Stacey from USA My dad suffered from bipolar, anxiety and depression his whole life. Trust me when I say I've seen it up close too many times. I myself struggle with anxiety, having severe post pardum depression after each of my three kids. I know mental illness. If anything it makes me sad when I see someone struggle. (Friday 17 June 2022; 21:02)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,485) (100,487) by Edward from USA I agree with you, but if you're taking your medications or not mixing them with any other substances, these things are usually kept under control. (Friday 17 June 2022; 20:30)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,482) (100,486) by Edward from USA Sorry, but Mariah isn't an amateur, she's a professional with enough experience under her skirt to know better. All these justifications sound kind of crazy to me. When you've been waiting for the award most important of your career, you plan things up so everything is perfect. You don't show up to your wedding drunk wearing sneakers, you can do that after. She's given great speeches before for less important awards. She could drink herself into next week after her big moment. (Friday 17 June 2022; 20:26)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,484) (100,485) by 123 from USA What is a manic episode in bipolar disorder? In the manic phase of bipolar disorder, it's common to experience feelings of heightened energy, creativity, and euphoria. If you're experiencing a manic episode, you may talk a mile a minute, sleep very little, and be hyperactive. You may also feel like you're all-powerful, invincible, or destined for greatness. (Friday 17 June 2022; 20:20)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,478) (100,484) by Edward from USA Exactly my sentiment. She's talked about being a songwriter first and foremost since times immemorial, yet here she is presented with the most important award of her career and what does she do? She gets into her diva outfit and messes it up. But oh well, let me be delusional and say it was just perfect and we must love it because it's Mariah and that's what fans do. I hope people understand why she isn't as respected like the other songwriters and less talented divas, it doesn't have anything to do with her music, it has to do with this unlikable character she thinks people love to watch. And not only that, what kind of outfit is that? Was it a boob and fake ass contest. Lord have mercy. (Friday 17 June 2022; 20:17)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,481) (100,483) by 123 from USA Are people that hateful to not realize that she was obviously having a manic episode while on stage? This is classic bipolar behavior. Mariah has two modes. When she is coherent and taking her meds and they are working, we get speeches like the Billboard one. When her bipolar disorder kicks in, we get the speech she gave at the SWHOF. Please educate yourselves and google manic episode in google for bipolar disorder. Do you all think that this is something that just went away when she was diagnosed in 2001? Are we really judging someone's behavior due to their mental health disorder? So rich coming from "fans" who claim to be educated and faultless. Do better, be better. Stop trolling and judging for thumbs up on a fan board. It's childish and shows some of you are "eternally 12" mentally. Mariah's bipolar. A real medical condition. What is your excuse? (Friday 17 June 2022; 20:09)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,479) (100,482) by Bobby A from United States Something was off last night with MC. Maybe too many glasses of champagne before the ceremony. She seemed like she had to put on the diva persona when she is in a element she can't control the lighting and how she will be perceived by the audience of her peers. MC's bioplar diagnosis causes her to act this way. It is clear that her dysfunctional family has scarred her real personality severely. She hasn't healed from the hurt that she had endured by her family all of these years. We didn't know in the early 1990s how hurt MC was inside. It was hard to watch her speech to the end. I almost felt like the laughs at the end of her speech were like the audience was mocking her last comments. We might not ever get another "real" album or tour again. I kind of wished MC was as strong and direct as Monique. (Friday 17 June 2022; 19:58)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,475) (100,481) by TheWind from England Incoherent. Missed the mark. Undermined her purpose for being there. It's embarrassing that at her age she is unable to get it together for these events. Aside from her speech, her outfit and hair were awful too. I don't know who is styling her lately, but that outfit was something befitting a real housewives reunion and not a seasoned diva. And to be clear, that isn't a good thing. (Friday 17 June 2022; 19:47)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,475) (100,480) by Brad from USA I agree that Mariah's speech could have used some editing, but it wasn't incoherent or really ditzy. To me, it had the feel of the child that shoulders the burden of everything that is wrong in life for years on end and finally the child is given a chance to speak their truth and every bottled up thought and emotion comes pouring out of the child all at once. What her appearance also shows is that we as fans really have zero clues as to what is going on with her in her personal and professional life, as well as her physical and mental health. That is the way it should be, as we each deserve privacy. Clearly, Mariah isn't going to be releasing new music when she is at a rough stage in her own life, as she is now. She has two children to raise (on her own), who are entering difficult years of development and a brand/business to figure out how to sustain, grow, develop and secure for the foreseeable future. The release of new music just isn't a component of that right now as it doesn't pay the bills any longer. But hopefully she is still writing and when she gets to a place where she wants to record and send something out into the universe she will be able to. That just is not right now. For now and always, lets enjoy and relish who she is and what she has given us for so, so long. And we will keep that fire burning. (Friday 17 June 2022; 19:46)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,475) (100,479) by Bill from the UK Regrettably I agree. I was looking so forward to this moment, given she has fought to be acknowledged as a songwriter since 1990. To get such a great accolade, probably the most important to her, and show up drunk and be completely incoherent and give some rambling nonsensical speech was such a disappointment. I was actually saddened. This is forever, and how she'll be remembered. She says underneath the diva attitude she's the gifted songwriter etc., but she was almost a parody of herself. Absolutely heart breaking. (Friday 17 June 2022; 19:35)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,475) (100,478) by Stacey from USA Yeah, it was messy. Her speech at the Billboard awards, Icon Award, was perfect. I wish she could have channeled that same thought process, saying things like writing songs helped me survive my struggles and helped many of you survive yours, etc. (Friday 17 June 2022; 19:01)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,475) (100,477) by Weston from United States Randy, I have to agree with you It was kind of cringy to watch. She should have left the diva persona at home and kept it serious about her songwriting. (Friday 17 June 2022; 17:47)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,475) (100,476) by BFF from United States It's absurd that a 53-year-old adult behaves like this but then in the next breath complains about "not being taken seriously as a songwriter". (Friday 17 June 2022; 17:47)

Songwriters speech (100,475) by Randy from USA It was awful. Incoherent. Ditzy. But you all say I'm negative. What did you all think? (Friday 17 June 2022; 16:47)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey to get in Songwriters Hall of Fame (100,473) (100,474) by jaker20 from US My wish for Mariah's next coming years and decades is to be like Paul McCartney, and that is to keep on writing, keep on sharing her gifts, keep writing even for other artists. (Friday 17 June 2022; 16:39)

Article: Mariah Carey to get in Songwriters Hall of Fame (100,473) by jaker20 from US This is probably one of Mariah's most important moments more than her other supposedly "major" awards. An event that that will happen quietly but have bigger meaning to her, because this is what separates her craft from all the rest. She's not just a voice, she's an artist. (Friday 17 June 2022; 16:20)

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