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Re: The duets (96,175) (96,188) by Bill from the UK Yes, I was going to suggest off the back of the original post that a second disc of the released duets is also included. I'd also add the Tony Bennett one she did as well. I'd then go so far as to have a "live" third disc. I mean if you're going to do a Duets compilation, then let's go all out. This would include the following: 1. We're Not Making Love Anymore (Michael Bolton) 2. Chain of Fools (Aretha) 3. Hopelessly Devoted to You (Olivia Newton John) 4. Hero (Pavarotti) 5. Got to Be Real (Patti LaBelle) 6. When Christmas Comes (John Legend) 7. Supremes Medley (Diana Ross) 8. Whenever You Call (Brian McKnight) 9. Endless Love (Luther Vandross) 10. Natural Woman (with the Divas, included purely so we can spend a few more days arguing about Celine Dion) (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 09:10)

Re: End of the affair (96,170) (96,187) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I wouldn't call the book disingenuous. I'd describe it as imperfect, which is very much true of its author as well. Look, as someone who hasn't grown up in a country that isn't a large music market through the 90's and early 00's, unlike in most places, we Filipino fans weren't really privy to the wealth of information and content regarding Mariah that was available in other places outside of the carefully written articles and reports in local periodicals, radio and TV we were exposed to that only painted Mariah as a perfect superstar (the internet only really started to become public commodity here in the mid-2000s). Even her tumultuous marriage and her Glitter period weren't extensively documented; and if they were mentioned, they were only referenced, framed as some inspiring brief backstory to her massive success. So my knowledge of her struggles really only came from me deliberately seeking them out, hearing about them from other lambs. I mean this was pre-social media. Compared to today's overexposure, yes, the entire world was "in the dark" then, but even more so for the smaller, less known countries such as where I'm from. Other fans from similar situations may be able to relate to this. So while much of what is in this book to me isn't new, that's mostly because I have basically spent the last 15 years or so catching up to what I didn't know about Mariah back then. And even so, I still find it to be somewhat revelatory and refreshing by its imperfections, which is a stark contrast to the perfectly manicured image of Mariah that I grew up with as a child up until my early teenage years. As for the issues about her take on race which seems to be the most polarizing part of the book - I just refuse to comment on it because I am not informed enough and not qualified to. I am neither black nor white, and have not grown up around the environment influenced by whatever has been going on between both cultures. My experience of racism is much different from theirs, and so to all of their issues I'm really just a student who's open to all points of view. As someone who wasn't too keen on her writing a memoir at this point in her career in the first place, I made a conscious decision to get into this book fully aware that it is a personal account first, and that of a celebrity who's has been and still is obsessed with keeping up a specific image. I am actually pleasantly surprised with it - not by much, but still. It's uneven, frustrating, flawed - basically everything I didn't think of Mariah from my first decade of knowing her. People shouldn't be diving into this expecting an unbiased comprehensive biography. Anyone who thinks that will likely be severely disappointed to the point that this may even be the last straw for them in their troubled relationship with Mariah, which has evidently already happened at least twice on this board. I don't see this book as a huge deal that we will all be fondly looking back to and talking about decades from now. By then we will just be referencing this as a small, mostly entertaining part of the much bigger main event which was #MC30. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 09:01)

Re: Allure (96,150) (96,186) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I've always thought of Crave as not something Mariah really wanted, but rather something she just felt she had to have just to prove a point. By that time in her career, she was just desperate to get more control in all aspects her life, not just creatively or personally, but also professionally, and she perhaps thought that having her own vanity label was another step towards achieving that. She wasn't ready to have her own label then, or at least her mindset wasn't. Allure and whoever else was signed to it then were unfortunately just collateral damage. It sucks, and it's a shame, as they probably did better than anyone would have ever expected. I understand their frustration. I have never really heard anything that would suggest a fallout between them and Mariah, and so to be lumped in with all the non-entities she has excluded from the memoir would really sting. No Question, Head Over Heels and Last Chance are good songs; I even wish Mariah kept the latter two for her own discography. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 07:34)

Re: Next single from The Rarities (96,129) (96,185) by Anonymous from Hi Bill, I have to be honest, I haven't purchased or listened to the album yet. I know, shock. I've listened to Loverboy but have yet to explore other songs. I've purchased the book and halfway though it, the album is on my Christmas list. Getting ready for the arrival of my little man is taking up most of my time. Loving your posts, it's great to see how much love you have for Mariah. Your knowledge on her catalogue still surprises me, in a good way of course. Hope all all is well with you and your collection is growing. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 05:58)

Deflated and angry (96,184) by Anonymous from I'm pissed off that the divide on this board seems to be be getting bigger, especially when it comes to race. Anyone is racist, and now, so is Mariah. She speaks her truth on racism and identity, which she has touched upon for many years, but in this fragile and more sensitive climate, Mariah is now capitalising on racial tension and hardship, to be, what, current? What a joke. This book has been in the making for years. This situation reminds me of times where I've retold racism encounters that have led people to feel uncomfortable, dismissive and defensive, that I'm in the wrong for sharing my experience. Mutton dressed as lamb has got the right attitude, if Mariah is such racist, causing divide, then quite frankly, do one. Why would anyone waste anymore time on someone to be considered racist/thrive on divide is beyond me. I no longer listen to artists that I've later concluded to have a warped moral compass. Surely Mariah's is warped if she's racist. Mariah clearly has identity issues, lack of acknowledgement and understanding on this topic is evident here. If you are uncomfortable with the notion that she finds more solace relating to a particular side of her heritage, more than the other, then that's your problem. Surely by now we realise Mariah isn't going to change and will never live up to the meticulously sculpted icon she was once crafted out to be. If you feel cheated for buying into her brand, the icon, then further disappointment awaits. Many artists are illusionists, who if you got to really know, would probably feel cheated by too. In reference to Divas Live, Mariah was ill prepared and insecure, Celine was well extra and over the top. Mariah then proceeded to moan about it. For me to be critical of both artists, clearly I must be racist, but to which race, I cannot fathom? The irony that people are more fired up about Mariah talking unfavourable about Celine then being pissed at the racism she has endured has made me feel more detached from this board then ever. Mariah isn't putting me off Mariah, some of you Lambs are. The toxicity and tic for tac is relentless. This board should be referred to as MCA - Mariah Carey Arguments. As I've mentioned here numerous of times, Mariah isn't perfect, she can be so annoying, childish, silly, but a racist, err no. I may follow suit with Randy and Mutton dressed as lamb and run for the hills, but my reasons are not because of Mariah it's some of the fans. What a crazy year 2020 is. Love to the fans who are open minded, respectfully critical, genuinely happy to reminisce and continue to show support to Mariah. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 05:51)

Finally, on the memoir (96,183) by Geronimo from USA It's difficult to underestimate how valuable "The Meaning of Mariah Carey" is a unique pop-culture document. Like most memoirs, it is filled with the vanity and blind spots of its author. It is not a scientific historical document, biography, or autobiography. It is aptly marketed as a memoir because it is a product of her brand that is tailor-made, just like an album of hers, to give you her side of selected stories that represent her interpretation of her own life journey. If you are actually angry that she did not expose herself to you personally in this memoir regarding issues about which you wanted her to admit this or admit that in an objective manner, I'm glad you no longer fooling yourself into thinking you are a fan of hers. She's just an entertainer and you need some help. This memoir brilliantly shows how U.S. American race ideology can imperil a little girl's life and cause damage that takes a lifetime of work to repair despite success and fame. Her writing also shows how predation, sexism, racism, classism, and desperation can disrupt very basic processes of maturation and peer identity. No wonder she still has a difficult time being objective about her own fault in choosing Tommy Mottola, remaining with Tommy Mottola, and subjecting herself to inhuman standard of productivity and earning among other glaring acts of foolishness. However, friends, clergy, therapists, and key players on father's side of her family shared spiritual resources with Mariah that extended her chances to survive the hell her negligent mother presided over. Music and notably healthy people saved her life and it is no coincidence that many of those people who inspired Mariah and treated her like a person drew from the best of the Afro-American tradition as it has developed in the United States. Even though it has taken Mariah Carey 30 years to get her thoughts together (in public, at least) about her relationship to the history of the racist United States, the torture chamber her mother probably never even bothered to try to call a home, and the exploitative and culturally backward atmosphere of the recording industry, her memoir will exist as a rare and truthful glimpse at how the legacies of European-American racecraft and colonial aesthetic dominance will warp a mind unless one searches for the best parts of your own roots and allow those to anchor you in a sea of cultural nonsense. Somebody else will write the scientific biography with all the forensic details about psychosis, vocal decline, entitlement and victim complexes, and professional dramas. "The Meaning of Mariah Carey" is about the ongoing creative process of self-definition, self-preservation, and progressing self awareness. It's quite an accomplishment and I am glad we finally heard it from her. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 05:25)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,168) (96,182) by Geronimo from USA I'm really happy about the important issues that this show attempts to deal with. Much of what the writers take on has needed to be explored in a format like this for a very long time. But, the execution is really immature, too trendy, and shallow on so many levels. The dialogue is painfully unskillful as well. Still, I think its popularity suggests good things are possible in pop culture in the future. This subject matter really does require and deserves mature and seasoned on and off camera talent IMO. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 04:28)

Re: Cool On You (96,177) (96,181) by Bobby A from United States Mine too. Doesn't she say something similar in Heat? (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 02:59)

Re: End of the affair (96,170) (96,180) by Andrew from the United Kingdom You are not the first and, I would suggest, certainly won't be the last to give up on Mariah due to that seemingly disingenuous book. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 02:06)

Re: Not that it matters (96,169) (96,179) by RibbonB from USA She said previously that they thought he was Cuban, then it was determined Venezuelan. The book indicates he wasn't around, so there is no familiarity or real details about him. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 01:59)

Streaming is the new rule (96,178) by Lara from Middle East Found this on insta. We cannot count on the sales to make a prediction on the Billboard. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 01:42)

Cool On You (96,177) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa "You get the heave-hooo." New favorite line. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 00:48)

Re: Article: Mariah opens up about New Year's Eve meltdown (96,161) (96,176) by Geronimo from USA I believe I just replied to you by mistake rather than to Andrew. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 00:47)

Re: The duets (96,152) (96,175) by T from USA This is a great idea. It could be two disc with the second disc being duets from the past (to give it the credibility of some big hits). Disc 2 1. I'll Be There (Trey) 2. Endless Love (Luther) 3. One Sweet Day (Boyz II Men) 4. Beautiful Ones (Dru Hill) 5. When You Believe (Whitney Houston) 6. How Much (Usher) 7. Against All Odds (Westlife) 8. Thank God I Found You (Joe/98) 9. Want You (Eric Bennett) 10. Yours (Justin Timberlake) 11. Angels Cry (Neyo) 12. It's a Wrap (ft. Mary J Blige) 13. #Beautiful (Miguel) 14. You're Mine (ft. Trey Songz) (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 00:46)

Re: All I Want For Christmas Is You (96,159) (96,174) by Geronimo from USA Andrew, you are too uninformed about the history of U.S. American race ideology to discuss it without producing a strong resemblance to a poorly closeted racist. Black people do not "use" the one drop rule. The one drop rule, as such, cannot be separated from the economic, social, and legal penalties that the rule was created to enforce against United States citizens. Those Afro-Americans who were brave and healthy enough to chose not to hide their heritage when many others chose to benefit by "passing" into whiteness through deception, isolation, fraud, and other means, have set a distinct pattern for today's Afro-Americans who identify with those with whom we share a heritage. Their honesty and clarity about the moral bankruptcy of so-called "white civilization" formed aspects of a new culture in this hemisphere of which Mariah and her father's side of the family is one part. Saying that she or any Black person is using the one drop rule performs an act of profound ignorance in light of the fact that the "use" of the rule is inextricable from the power to apply economic and legal penalties against people with known African heritage. And, no - describing the history of the rule and discussing how that history applies to oneself is not the same as "using the one drop rule" any more than registering with an Indian tribe means that the person who does so is affirming the concept of blood quantum. But why do you keep playing at calling Mariah "There's Got to Be a Way" Carey a racist? She's so Pollyanna. You seem to have a real problem with Black people who discuss the complications related to dealing with centuries of white people getting away with subjecting the planet's peoples to racist non-sense. You and your ilk on this board really should educate yourselves if you can. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 00:44)

Re: Hopes for Glitter EPs (96,163) (96,173) by Will from England I would love it for There for Me to be included, since it was a B-side to the NTF/Hero single? (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 00:33)

"The Rarities" is #31 on Billboard 200 (96,172) by The Real Deal from USA "The Rarities" debuted at #31 on Billboard 200. I expected a much higher debut. I thought at least Top 20 with all of the promotion she has been doing it for it. Maybe the book overshadowed the album. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 23:31)

Re: Celine Dion (96,164) (96,171) by Will from Australia I've always enjoyed her voice but not so much her ego. On Andy Cohen she spoke about that night and stepping forward for her part with Aretha to go "Toe To Toe" with her. She then talks about 'that note' in All By Myself and how David Foster said if she couldn't reach it there where other singers he could get who could - her reaction is vom. I always thought this was her shading Mariah but I later found out through David Foster that it was actually Whitney he was referring to. Sit down Celine. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 22:42)

End of the affair (96,170) by Mutton Dressed as Lamb from UK I have run out of excuses for her behaviour, the state of her voice, the obvious lack of self awareness or insight into her own self induced calamities. The memoir feels disingenuous. A faded starlet that tailored her life story to capitalise on the current societal feelings of racial inequality. I guess being from the UK does affect my perception. I'd be a fool to say that racism does exist here, but race isn't woven into every aspect of our daily lives and I am willing to accept that I don't understand her situation because of this. What I do understand is people and behaviour and the memoir gives an insight into a person that is petty, jealous and struggles with self loathing on a daily basis. Given an opportunity to make a real difference to society as a whole by talking about her mental health issues, she chose to cause more division instead of enabling healing. I ask the webmaster to post this and then delete me from the board. I used to love this woman and would fight her corner even when I knew I was on to a loser, but now... now, I don't know her. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 22:05)

Not that it matters (96,169) by J from USA But anybody find it weird how Mariah no longer speaks on her dad's Venezuelan side? It was always known he was Afro-Venezuelan and as of lately it's just he was African American, which he was, don't get me wrong. But back in the 90s she would say he had Venezuelan ancestry, and if memory serves me right she was on a show in Venezuela looking for some long lost family of her father's. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 21:46)

Lovecraft Country (96,168) by RibbonB from USA Licia, everyone, anyone else into this fabulous series? Wow, please watch this past Sunday's episode 9. So timely, sad, creatively done in homage to the 100th anniversary of the Tulsa massacre. This episode was so good and harrowing, that the show composer even wrote an original requiem piece for the final fire scene. So moving. The final episode if the season is next Sunday, please binge all week and watch. it is horror though, but so well done. I love how they incorporated modern music like Bodak Yellow and Rihanna's Bitch Better Have my Money, into this period show. This show and its exploration or racism and horror is definitely more important than somebody's imagined slight at Celine. This country, world has more serious concerns. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 19:15)

Re: Carole King (96,162) (96,167) by Stacey from USA Shoot if anyone should be upset it's Carole King. She wrote the dang song and could hardly get a word in. Truth. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 18:53)

Re: Trash (96,154) (96,166) by Stacey from USA "If you want the truth without the sugar coating than why get upset when it's given to you straight?" Funny, I could ask you the same question, lol. But I digress. Chill. I'm not upset. If some faceless person over the internet that disagrees with me gets me upset, then I've got problems. Thankfully I'm not upset. So I'm good. Carey on and oh, lighten up. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 18:50)

Re: Allure (96,150) (96,165) by RibbonB from USA Wow, based on all the hashtags on their IG post, they really want to be recognized. Too bad, because it probably won't help. I'm more surprised she didn't mention Jasmine Dotiwala, but she didn't want to tell those stories about Betcha Gon ' Know, lol. You can't put everything and everybody in a book though. She could've "killed two birds ", by including lots of pictures of moments with descriptors as a fast way to acknowledge people. I strongly feel she was stingy on the pictures. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 17:26)

Celine Dion (96,164) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Interesting. Celine Dion being asked about singing with Aretha, showing humility and love. And speaking excitedly about grasping her chance to sing with her. (Tuesday 13 October 2020; 16:52)

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