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Re: Madame X (90,108) (90,118) by Bill from the UK Yes, I did actually burst out laughing when she said she doesn't like people who cover songs. She literally hasn't managed to pull together an album of 100% original material since her debut in 1990. (Friday 28 June 2019; 06:37)

Re: Who she'd rather? (90,104) (90,117) by jaker20 from US Ariana. But honestly she probably won't do it. She can't even get Cardi. (Friday 28 June 2019; 01:47)

Re: Portrait (90,113) (90,116) by Bobby A from United States I have been out of the loop with the board for a couple of days. I moved back to Atlanta today. Texas just didn't cut it for me. Mariah and Usher pictured in the studio together. This is epic. Maybe she is working on MC16. Didn't the Epic deal obligate her to produce three albums? (Thursday 27 June 2019; 23:26)

Justice for Glitter was a publicity stunt (90,115) by Will from Australia I've been sitting on this for a while but I really think Mariah's new management team coordinated the #JusticeForGlitter movement through a PR Agency in order to promote Caution. Mariah's public image was so bad following the nightmare era with that woman that I think they needed a huge turnaround for Caution to not flop completely and give her something interesting to talk about and get back in the good books. It doesn't take a huge investment to make something an iTunes No.1, it's very different to physical sales and once you planted the seed, push through social media channels, build a campaign and there you have it - redemption and you publicly have erased the biggest stumbling block in your career that people won't forget. My line of work is in publicity, communications and marketing and this instantly jumped out at me as a planned campaign. I'm delighted it worked if it was as Caution would have had a fraction of the attention it received without that narrative. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 23:18)

Re: Who she'd rather? (90,104) (90,114) by Will from Australia She wouldn't dare do something with Christina, Ariana or Lovato because they would try do a Celine at Divas Live with Aretha and our sing her to prove they're the voice blah blah. I could see the JLo thing come to life. They both have made the "I don't know her" into a running joke now and have said more pleasant things towards each other and as two aging stars it would definitely raise their profiles again. But as Mariah once said, I'm just not sure how that would sound. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 23:06)

Portrait (90,113) by Rene from US I was really surprised when Madonna decided to release any music and the concept of the album was interesting. I like Medellin and how she did the choreography and way the video was shot. I'm not going to speak too much of Madonna here. We cannot compare them and who can argue who is "better". I was listening to "Portrait" today and I was so caught up in the moment. For a second, it felt like that song really shows a really vulnerable side. The part where she says she won't cry and the moment will subside kills me. She is a true lyricist. I hope she releases music soon, as I see she is working with Usher. I hope she releases a DVD of some sort. It's overdue. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 22:55)

Re: Madame X (90,108) (90,112) by Tyler from USA Edward, "I try to make myself believe she wasn't taking her meds when she made those comments." This is exactly why I haven't been to this board in months. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 22:07)

Re: Who she'd rather? (90,104) (90,111) by MusicfanJ from Germany I can only think of Christina Aguilera. With the other ones Mariah will never ever collaborate. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 18:57)

Re: Who she'd rather? (90,104) (90,110) by 90sMariah from SG Not going to happen. She would rather wear flats than have her name next to any of those women in a single or album. Besides, even in her vocal peak she had never thought of doing a duet with female Singers at the time, until Whitney of course. And that wasn't even her idea, they were both tricked into agreeing to do the duet, which I am thankful for. Let's face it, she'd rather feature female rappers than singers, especially now that she's at her most insecure vocal wise. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 18:21)

Re: Who she'd rather? (90,104) (90,109) by Dennis from The Netherlands Nicki Minaj, they can cut and paste everything and make good music together. And when she performs the song she can leave her out. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 18:06)

Re: Madame X (90,103) (90,108) by Edward from USA Completely agree. Mariah's image and music were also carefully calculated for about a decade. I think it's easy for some people to dismiss other artists just to put Mariah on a pedestal. Mariah and Madonna are icons and they've influenced generations in their own different ways. I haven't followed Madonna since "Confessions" because I haven't liked what her music has morphed into, but I won't dismiss her accomplishments and impact on the music scene because of that. She's always taking risks, some of which have paid off really well. As for "Almost Home", Mariah broke my heart with that dismissive comment. "Almost Home" actually brought back my faith in her ability to create something lyrically and vocally reminiscent of her glory days, come to find out she didn't write it and most likely was directed as how to sing it hence her bitterness towards it. Another stupid comments she made was about her not liking other people covering her songs when she's spent her entire career sampling and covering other people's music. I try to make myself believe she wasn't taking her meds when she made those comments. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 18:05)

Re: Madame X (90,103) (90,107) by Tijl from Belgium Andrew, I beg to differ. Of course lol. There is a significant difference between being stuck in the past and being true to oneself. I am wondering why calling Madonna "calculated" is supposed to be hilarious. It could be her middle name if not the title of her latest little effort. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 17:33)

Re: Who she'd rather? (90,104) (90,106) by Tijl from Belgium Easy: Mini Mimi, Ariane Grande. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 17:29)

Re: Who she'd rather? (90,104) (90,105) by enwar00 from usa Madonna. Bianca could duet with Madame X. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 17:01)

Who she'd rather? (90,104) by Randy from USA All this Madonna talk made me think of a new game. MC has had beef with all of the following divas at one point in time. If it was the last studio on earth, who would Mariah most likely collaborate with: Nikki Minaj, Madonna, Christina Aguilera, Ariana Grande, Jennifer Lopez or Demi Lovato? Come on guys you have to pick one. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 16:08)

Re: Madame X (90,101) (90,103) by Andrew from London UK Madonna is far from likeable. However, her personality and her musical creativity are mutually exclusive. To criticise her as "calculated" for being on trend musically is hilarious. If Mariah hadn't been stuck in the past for the last decade she might have sold a lot more than she has. Take Almost Home. It is an absolute smash hit as far as the fans are concerned. Yet, Mariah not only abandoned anywhere it may take her musically but also dismissed it with her own criticism. The result? MIAM and You're Mine (Eternal), Infinity, Infurmurz, I Don't. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 14:29)

Re: Madame X (90,100) (90,102) by Shezz from Pk I grew up on Madonna and then fell in love with Mariah mid 90s. Madonna will always be my first love and her pre 2000s catalog is as nostalgiac for me as Mariah's is if not more. Ofcourse I never "stanned" her half as much as I do Mariah but I can't deny her power (that was). Take a Bow is one of my favourite songs of her's but I totally loved Ray of Light as well, it was her Butterfly in so many ways. Totally new territory lost her a lot of fans but adventurous and revolutionary. Music had some gems as did Confessions on a Dancefloor. I find current Mariah head and shoulders above current Madonna. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 12:21)

Re: Madame X (90,084) (90,101) by Tijl from Belgium "Ray Of Light" is an all time favourite because to me it feels as an authentic and genuine album telling a personal story whereas most of Madonna's other work comes across as very calculated to be in sync with the current trends, especially her later work. "Confessions" is a fun record yet could also have been made by the likes of Kylie or any other dance diva. I don't care about "Madame X" one bit. What I have seen of Madonna in the media of lately was a fading star desperately trying to be relevant. Especially her interview at Graham Norton made me feel sorry for her. Madonna is an iconic popstar but to me she doesn't come across as a very likeable woman. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 10:33)

Re: Madame X (90,097) (90,100) by Special K from USA Hmm, I think Take A Bow edges out Secret but that damn Hung Up slaps the dog mess out of both of those songs. I'll take old school Madonna anyday. I was listening to Everybody, Lucky Star, Angel, Holiday and Dress You Up the other day straight getting my dance groove on. Madonna's catalog is bannanas. I have the majority of Madonna's albums but she kind of lost me with Ray Of Light but redeemed herself with Music. Hard Candy was a hot mess. Confessions On The Dance Floor and Bedtimes Stories are her best albums in my opinion. I'm still going to give Madame X a try. (Thursday 27 June 2019; 02:56)

Re: Madame X (90,097) (90,099) by Andrew from London UK Ray of Light and Confessions on a Dancefloor are seminal albums in modern music history. To ignore their importance or their brilliance is a bit ridiculous. But at least Madonna has always tried new things with each album. Mariah is stuck repeating the same old sounds over and over again. That's why there is a malaise when it comes to Mariah's new releases. You've heard most of it before. You only really care if you are an avid fan. (Wednesday 26 June 2019; 19:36)

Re: Madame X (90,097) (90,098) by Licia from USA No Bill Take A Bow from that album is the greatest song ever. I do enjoy Secret though (one of my favorite videos). I actually love that whole album. I have all her albums from Bedtime Stories on back to the Madonna album. She lost me with the Ray of Light album and I came back briefly for the Music album. After that album there hasn't been anything that she's put out that has interested me. I did try to give this album a chance, but it's not good. (Wednesday 26 June 2019; 18:04)

Re: Madame X (90,096) (90,097) by Bill from the UK The only Madonna albums I've ever owned are Immaculate Collection (like everyone else in the world) and Bedtime Stories. The song Secret is the best thing she ever did. (Wednesday 26 June 2019; 15:19)

Re: Madame X (90,087) (90,096) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Okay, one, yes, it is just your preference that what most perceive as artistic growth comes across as a mess to you. But that's okay. Two, Caution is most definitely not a mess - all of the songs belong to that album and there is a consistent, plush nocturnal vibe that ties them all together. MIAMTEC is a mess, though. But I share your appreciation of Madonna as well. Yes, her albums have not been great since Confessions On A Dancefloor, and it's quite obvious why. Hard Candy marked the time when Madonna decided to chase trends instead of going against the grain. Every album she released since then followed suit. Hard Candy tried to capitalize on the Timbaland-Timberlake glory days, MDNA came at a time when the GaGa/Ke$ha EDM trend was dying down, Rebel Heart ended up being a victim of scattershot production in its attempt to throw Madonna into any genre to see what sticks, and Madame X, while being her best album since 2005, is her pandering heavily to the Latin market, like someone mentioned on this board earlier. My favorite album of hers is the very underrated Bedtime Stories. Forbidden Love, Love Tried To Welcome Me and Take A Bow are just golden. Critics are divided with Madame X. They either think it's her best in years or one of her worst ever. But as it currently stands, so far, it is her best reviewed album since Confessions On A Dancefloor, despite containing some very questionable lyrics and sonic choices, along with some of the most offensive themes she has tackled in her entire career. Her political and social stances are intended as stabs at "wokeness", but end up either being laughable or perpetuates the white savior trope. The most glaring thing about Madame X is that it showcases Madonna's voice at the worst shape it has been since the Like A Virgin era, but at least then she sounded human. She never has been the best vocalist, but she sounded adequate, even good, especially throughout the mid-90s to the mid-00s. Now, her voice is plastic, squeaky, cloying and marinated with autotune. However, given her horrific Eurovision performance, she definitely needed all the pitch correction in the world to make the album. (Wednesday 26 June 2019; 12:45)

Re: Most liked (90,078) (90,095) by enwar00 from usa B I like your list. Apart from AIWFCIU very downbeat and midtempo song choices, so in my minds sounds very chill. I like that vibe, maybe I'll make a playlist, add The Roof and Slipping Away for that extra smooth. (Wednesday 26 June 2019; 02:25)

Re: Charts (90,083) (90,094) by jaker20 from US Mariah also did bundles, but managed to debut only at no.5. But I'm glad Mariah is still serving quality 30 years into her career. This is what I want Mariah to focus on, not the charts. (Wednesday 26 June 2019; 01:12)

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