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Re: AMA / disgruntled fans sticking around (84,707) (84,709) by Bill from the UK Right To Dream. You just had to get it in there didn't you? Love you. (Thursday 11 October 2018; 00:08)

Re: AMA / disgruntled fans sticking around (84,707) (84,708) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Randy, Mariah's voice is in the shape it is because of nature. Yes, it was s freak of nature, now it's not. It's not Mariah's fault her voice has detoriated, it's her genes, age, nature. Some people age really well, while others seem to get old fast, some people gets gray hair at 25, others at 45, some people have perfect vision untl they die, others need glasses along the way. I think it's cruel, and irrational to demand of Mariah to be the freak of nature she once was. If Usain Bolt kept on running until he was fifty, I doubt he would manage to win the Olympics every fourth year. Think how imaginably cruel it would have been, if people around you demanded of you to have the same skills the rest of your life. It's an impossible demand, it's like telling a person to get taller, it's impossible. I'm sure people here feel a bit sad about something they used to do, or hair they used to have, or the beauty of youth you no longer have. Think about Mariah herself, and thoughts she has had about her own voice, I'm sure she remembers the feeling when she hit those notes, and the sadness she must have felt remembering those times. And her we are, demanding her to do so again. It's like a horror movie, I demand of you to look and act and sing like you did 20 years ago, impossible. (Thursday 11 October 2018; 00:07)

AMA / disgruntled fans sticking around (84,707) by Randy from USA Let me put a stop to this dispute, as we all know who has 18 #1 posts with a 7 noctave voice and is the biggest selling mefail artist in history. Me. Now I know, my fellow rejects: Adam, Andrew, Edward, This is ghm may tie me to a chair in a big empty mansion and beat me up for saying this but: My bar has been set so low that I thought she did a good job at the AMAs she didn't embarrass herself and as a very public fan on social media, she didn't embarrass me. No one hit me up to criticize her or had a snarky thing to say to me. She did what she needed to do. Appear to sing and not appear washed up or have severe technical difficulties. Now for those who don't understand why people who criticize MC stick around. Let's get with the criticism. This is Mariah Carey. You do realize at one time she was considered a freak of nature, seventh wonder of the world vocalist, the best singer amongst the likes of Whitney Houston, Celine Dion and one of the heirs to Aretha and Patti's thrones. She was voted by MTV as the greatest voice in the last 22 years 13 years into her career. So someone that is a living legend and an icon for her voice should be able to stand up and sing a simple song right? It was heartbreaking for me to see CeCe Winans and Gladys Knight sound like themselves and they've been singing just as long if not longer than MC. But here you come with she has nodules, her ear monitor wasn't working, the casket was right in front of her, her corset was too tight, she didn't get 8 hours sleep, she's insecure, there are nuances in her voice that most people won't get but people understand belters with a church background, her humidifier wasn't working, she is getting a divorce, she has food poinsoning, she's bipolar, she's insecure and has stage fright, she was at the fresh air fund and they were pumping smoke into the room and it killed her voice, her background singers were singing her part, she didn't want to upstage Aretha and be disrespectful. Did I get them all? I've never seen a legendary singer give so many excuses or have fans that created so many excuses. And we are talking about the iconic MC, not marginal Brandy Monica Keyshia Cole etc. The top of the heap and she can't sing anymore? So why stay? We are an emotional bunch of people. You would have to be to be a Mariah Carey fan. What 20 year old writes a song like Vanishing? How could a ditzy diva could compose Looking In, Close My Eyes, Outside, Petals, Reflections (Care Enough), Twister, Through The Rain, Languishing, Camouflage or Right To Dream? We know what's there. And we have an emotional investment. If you even think of the fun songs, ABMB, Heartbreaker, Honey or Touch My Body, they take you back to a moment in time. So to end this before Eric cuts me off. We all want MC to win and the frustrating thing is that she seems to be doing things that are self sabotage. But for the level of vocal genius, songwriting ability and nostalgia, there is no one else for us to go to. So we're going to keep on keeping on until she has another genius moment because we Can't Let Go. And we shouldn't have to sit on the sidelines and be silent because our love has been proven. All we're asking is for her to make records and sing them. Which she claims is her first love. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 23:39)

Re: The ultimate disgrace (84,700) (84,706) by Jamie from UK Stuck in 2008 springs to mind too (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 23:30)

Positivity (84,705) by Ronnie from California I somewhat have stopped being interested to negative lambs' repetitive arguments that seem to consume their every thought regarding (what they believe other lambs label her as) "the infallible Mariah". We do not think Mariah is perfect but we do not focus on things that we have already accepted and no longer get upset about. And after systematically lip-syncing for a decade (+), one should have moved on long ago. I am open to criticism but constant negativity that dwindles in vain irks me. We see enough of that "bull" outside of the fanbase. I sought lambily communities (not just on these archives) to escape the repetitive goats, who are ironically just as prefictable as Mariah herself. For anyone interested, I'm in a lambily group chat that is a nice balanced mix of perspectives. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 23:29)

Re: This message board is sad (84,699) (84,704) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Adam, I would have thought it was boring as well if everybody here praised Mariah no matter what. But many of the comments here aren't honest opinions, it's people using their clever little minds to write negativity in the most creative way. To read some of the comments, especially Andrew's, is as ridiculous to read as when Trump is praising his own work, where everything is the greatest, huge, the best in the world, but in the opposite way. If you are trying to make a sport out of how humiliating you can write about Mariah, then I'm sure there are groups on Facebook or whatever that this will be much more appreciated. The exaggerated negativity here pushes people away from this message board. It's funny you are defending Andrew, that he can say and do whatever he likes, and brush off the critics like dust. Well, I would have said the same to Mariah, treat the critics like dust, and Andrew would have been brushed off Mariah's shoulders in a heart beat. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 23:21)

Re: No win situation (84,669) (84,703) by Bill from the UK This was hilarious because it's so true haha. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 23:13)

Re: The ultimate disgrace (84,687) (84,702) by Bill from the UK I've so many. Dreamlover Def Club Mix of course. I Still Believe/Pure Imagination is also up there. AYNAF Club Mix, Fantasy with ODB, TGIFY Make It Last. Gosh, we really were spoilt back then. Thanks Mariah, great output. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 23:06)

Re: The ultimate disgrace (84,683) (84,701) by Bill from the UK Isaac Ortiz. What a blast from the past. Good times. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 23:03)

Re: The ultimate disgrace (84,695) (84,700) by Andrew from UK That made me laugh. I'll give you that one. "Oh [censored] off, Jamie" still springs to mind. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 21:45)

Re: This message board is sad (84,679) (84,699) by ADAM from USA I don't find Andrew's comments on this board offensive or out of place. In fact, its largely how I feel as well. I visit this site like most of you regularly because it's a haven for Mariah's last remaining fans to congregate and expressive their opinions about MC. Personally, if this site became a biased one-sided forum where everyone was just praising her, while she continues to churn out lackluster material, I would leave in a heartbeat. I believe you can still love an artist while being critical as well. I wish some of you would re-direct some of your anger from Andrew and place it onto Mariah's output. If she retired and never sang again, I wouldn't fault her because she's not selling you smoke and mirrors. My issue is that if you're going to be an active recording artist and sell music and perform shows, then you need to actually sing. Anything other than that is fraudulent and should be called out. If Andrew didn't care, he wouldn't bother to even post anything. Andrew if you're reading this, pay some of these people dust. I enjoy your messages and look forward to everyone respecting each other's opinion even if you don't always agree. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 21:27)

Re: This message board is sad (84,679) (84,698) by TJ from Norway I do agree that it might be to much negativity here, but I think the reason why, is because people know what she is capable of doing. I'm for sure like that. I'm not sure that she believes in her self anymore and that that insecure ends up in trying to look pretty or sexy. I don't understand the choices she takes musically. What's her intention and in what direction is she going? The discussion would be much better if people (me included) just focus on the topic and don't attack each other on a personal level. I'm just glad I'll be at her Christmas concert this year. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 21:25)

I love this board (84,697) by Lexingz from Estonia I have read all the different opinions about negative and positive posts and criticism and allowing this or that this board. I feel like we need to chill and let the moderator do his/her job. (Which one is it? Honest question.) I personally feel that the negative commentators take the brunt of the emotional work that the "nice" fans refuse to do. I choose to be moderately positive in my comments but I can also be honest with myself and admit that I agree with most of the negative comments to some extent. Bottom line is, I would hate for this board to become all "slay kween" and "skinny legend did it again" (you all know what I mean). This is why in my opinion we should allow the black sheep to say what they need to say. When I get tired of the bickering I just leave. But I always know that I can come back here to discuss the singer I will probably love most in my lifetime, with people who actually care and know what they are talking about. And it might as well be that this is one of the few places where Mariah can hear the unfiltered, honest opinions of some of her most dedicated fans who say here what they would never say to her face. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 21:24)

Re: AMA choreography (84,675) (84,696) by Lila from United States A big credit to her. We know how the game goes, though. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 21:21)

Re: The ultimate disgrace (84,688) (84,695) by Jamie from UK I’d love a GTFO Remx. "GTFO Andrew (you're getting on my last nerve)" - MCArchives group forum remix. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 21:18)

AMAs (84,694) by Lila from United States I wasn’t impressed and it was nothing spectacular. However, with the bar being so low due to many performances in the past few years being so bad, it feels like she has to at least be given a B just for the performance not being a hot mess. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 21:08)

Re: Music biz today (84,639) (84,693) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada Exactly musicfan, exactly. Fast food is a great comparison, as is taking the time to invest in art and truly appreciate it. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:59)

Re: Daily Mail (84,690) (84,692) by enwar00 from usa LMFAO. I just died. Your last couple messages cracked me up, I remember that infamous troll. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:49)

Re: AMA performance (84,682) (84,691) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I'm weeping. This is the most positive thing Andrew has ever written. I'll ignore the last line and just take the positive part. Someone pass me a tissue dahlin'. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:41)

Daily Mail (84,690) by B from USA An article by the Daily Mail is saying Mariah's fans are worried about her and quoting a Twitter user named Jenny From The Block, I can't. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:39)

Re: This message board is sad (84,679) (84,689) by Jonathan from South Africa How I do love your comment. I feel the exact same way. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:39)

Re: The ultimate disgrace (84,681) (84,688) by Jonathan from South Africa Get a life. Find someone new to obsess over. Mariah ain't gonna change and we are happy with this woman as she is. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:36)

Re: The ultimate disgrace (84,677) (84,687) by RD from South Africa My favourite remix is My All, David Morales version. How about you? (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:30)

Re: Mariah's top efforts (84,661) (84,686) by RhondaC from UK It has to be "Lead the way" for me, flawless. And then "Anytime you need a friend" dance mix, love the power and slightly jazzy feel to her vocals, and that she put the effort in to the remix. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:25)

Re: With You, AMA's (84,654) (84,685) by Tyler from USA I never thought I'd see the day when the press/media is praising MC and the fans are ripping her apart. Major publications such as Rolling Stones are raving about the performance as well as general public. I'm at lost for words. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 20:16)

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