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Step back perhaps? (78,449) by 90sMariah from SG If Mariah continues to be in this funk - this level of disrespect for her audience and legacy - she needs to step back and stop accepting high profile and televised gigs until she's snapped out of it and realised how bad she's coming off. I am embarrassed for her whenever she pulls this level of unprofessionalism - always appearing "so over it" and/or drunk and/or medicated on cam. I'm not saying she should retire completely from public performances, because a lot of the fans are still into her just standing there. Didn't she say repeatedly back when she had just divorced Tommy that she hated the idea of people expecting her to just wear a gown, stand there and just sing ballads? Well - she's doing exactly that. Except for the ballads part, because technically she does the same for her uptempo songs. So, please spare yourself anymore embarrassment and step back and quit drinking heavily, Mariah. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 14:14)

The Bare Minimum Tour (78,448) by CHAZ from USA Mariah, please retire. Hip Hop Honors should've hushed the haters. Another fail. Your boobs kept you from moving. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 11:45)

VH1 (78,447) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Finally watched it, wasn't that bad. The intro montage where everyone talked about her influence and how she incorporated hip hop to mainstream music got me emotional, that's the genius Mariah is. I loved the elaborate sets, the gold car, helicopter, jet ski and all. Loved the new "Honey" vocals and lived for the So So Def Remix getting some love finally. Mariah looked gorgeous and I loved her hair, but that outfit wasn't working for me. Now to the bad parts, Mariah really needs to move. She looks like she can't take a step without assistance and I would have loved for some energy, even if she didn't dance. She was standing there stiff. A little version of the iconic "Honey" dance would have been great. The stage presence was kept up my her collaborators as in Da Brat, Ma$e and the likes. I wish she kinda grooved with them a little more. Also why only Honey? I was hoping there would be a medley of some of her biggest hip hop collaborations. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 10:35)

Re: Why was Mariah on stage? (78,439) (78,446) by May from Denmark Mariah seemed to have more energy at Beyonce's age, afterall, that was the time she gave us the Emancipation. Bey right now is taking care of her cubs, which is sweet, I believe she will be able to shake the money maker when she turns 47 like Mariah. I think we should compare with Jello as they have the same age, the woman has a lot of energy and she also has twinsies. Mariah needs to lay the alcohol and drink whatever Jello is drinking. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 09:52)

Re: Article: Mariah is stiff as a board in Hip Hop Honors performance (78,432) (78,445) by May from Denmark Yes to all that J, you and Bill wrote perfectly what I wanted to say in my broken English. She has no stage presence anymore, it's all gimmicks. She looked gorgeous, but standing there looking pretty is not enough. Just watched the HD version, I was hoping to hear that belted and those runs in the climax but all I heard was ooh and aah and an awkward silence where we know she says Honey, instead it came the pre record. I thought she was singing live just fine until she sat in the helicopter and it was all too obvious. I'm still here waiting for new music but we will get another worldwide tour. I am actually thinking in going if it happens because I feel that there won't be much Mariah left for future performances, and I'm talking about the singer, she seems everytime less willing to sing or perform at all. What's happening to our Mariah? I don't want to be negative but she gives me no positive feedbacks with that lazy attitude, if there was a valid reason I would step back. Some mentioned she was drunk, I don't know, the sad thing is that I could totally believe she was. Mariah come back darling, slap yourself on the face, quit the alcohol, care for yourself and come back. For the person who said noone said anything about the LR tour, that's not true. A fair amount of lambs said she was stiff. It's a problem that has been building since years. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 09:48)

Article: Mariah is stiff as a board in Hip Hop Honors performance (78,444) by 90sMariah from SG It's not about the dancing, nobody expects her to move like Janet Jackson. Stop pretending that's what people want from her. Do you really think she looks like she's enjoying herself on stage while pretending to sing the vocal climaxes of her songs? No. Stop it. We just want her to move. Lift her legs and walk on her own and not look like she's so over everything. She always look like a furniture being moved around the stage by her dancers. Why even have dancers if you're not going to put an effort to move a bit. Remember MSG? She didn't dance in it, but she looked like she was enjoying herself - moving around the stage and waving her arms and shoulders. She was fun. Is it because she's wearing 10" heels? Then don't wear them. She looks like a medicated sofa being propped around a huge apartment. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 09:03)

Re: VH1 performance was disrepectful (78,436) (78,443) by jaker20 from US I thought about possible health issues. But I always thought she's just really gotten lazy. She just doesn't want to put much effort. Around after that 18th no.1, she just didn't care much anymore. She still put some now and then, but in general, she's just chilling. I remember around the release of E=MC2, she said albums don't sell anymore, the industry has changed, said she'll never have another Music Box success because that time's passed. I thought to myself, this girl's ready to retire soon. Then she got married. In essence, she retired when she married Nick and had kids. The Emancipation tour was her last hurrah. I don't remember a performance since where she really put her all. Talent still comes out on some live performances every now and then, but they're few and far between. For the most part she just wing it. She can put a performance if she wants but that passion isn't there anymore. She's no longer that motivated, but didn't want to completely disappear from the limelight. I've been there from day one when Vision of Love climb the charts so it's tough to admit. Now I always use Madonna as point of comparison. I hated Madonna in the 90s and 2000s, but admire her perseverance well past her prime, 13 years Mariah's senior. Success or no success, watching Madonna make me keep going in life. Someone asked below why fans bitching just not leave if they don't like MC anymore. Because I want MC to keep going. Right now she's cheating her career and herself. These performances are recorded, they will never go away. Go to YouTube, a great majority are her awful ones. The great ones are hard to find. That's become her legacy, the awful ones. Hope she realize it's not about success, no.1s or money all the time, it's doing what you are able to do and do it well. To entertain, to be creative. Otherwise, it is indeed time to retire. Know when to stop. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 07:46)

Re: Article: Mariah is stiff as a board in Hip Hop Honors performance (78,434) (78,442) by 123 from USA Even if she didn't move around much as long as she was serving some energy and great live vocals, the performance would have been great. Look at this performance from just a year ago. She interacts with the audience and the live portion of the vocals are really good. She looked great. This is what the performance should have been like. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 07:12)

Bad dancing vs. not caring (78,441) by jaker20 from US Emancipation era was full of awful dancing, but people loved that era because she put effort on them. Mariah was never a dancer. She's always been awkward when she dances. But let's not be foolish here, there is a world of a difference between not knowing how to dance vs. stripping then doing nothing on stage. MC always needed choreography because she's not a natural dancer, especially on her upbeat 90s songs. Even ballads where she just walks on stage requires choreo and preparation. It's Like That VH1 performance she did during Emancipation, she just walked around the stage while flowing her dress, but it's cute and cool because you can tell it was choreographed. The last 8 or so years have been repulsive to be perfectly honest. No preparation, just rubbing her hair and legs and lipping. I can bookend the past ten years of epic fails. (1) American Idol Bye Bye performance which she lipped. It's a big top 5 night, AI was ratings blockbuster at the time. She coached the contestants. Yet she lipped. (2) American Idol again, all season she's judging, ratings are decent. Yet when it's finally time to sing, she just stood on a stage float and semi-lipped. (3) VH1 this week, she's being honored, and lipped and did not seem to have anything prepared. In between these fails, it's controversies, divorce, flop singles, lip-gates. Cher was older than her when she hit no.1, and she doesn't dance either. Madonna was older than her when she hit top 3 with 4-Minutes and she's an awful singer. MC is irrelevant in pop music the past 5 years or so. At this point, I'm not worried about her career. I'm worried about her sanity period. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 06:54)

(78,440) by SM from Citizen of the World I also hate to say this but I was excited for Butterfly turning 20, but when I watched her on VH1. I lost complete interest. If this performance was on any other music award show, the world would of treated this like they did on NYE. I really want the best for Mariah but the past two years have been... I can't even think of something decent to say. Mariah Just get off this rollercoaster ride lol. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 05:11)

Re: Why was Mariah on stage? (78,422) (78,439) by SM from Citizen of the World Well, Beyonce would never do such a thing and perform that low. Lol. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 04:52)

Re: VH1 (78,428) (78,438) by Lila from United States It was repulsive the first time it was done. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 03:10)

Re: Why was Mariah on stage? (78,431) (78,437) by Mara from United States I really don't know what is going on right now. Stella seems a little MIA at the moment and last night we got a tweet by her almost "talking to Mariah by social media". It just felt different. I honestly thought MC would really bring it last night since it was the one category she always wanted to be included in and self professed her love for all these years. Also since the Butterfly anniversary was on the day they taped and she was in a good state with all the love and respect she was getting online, I was hoping it would come through in her performance or speech. We got neither. One thing about the Mariah of yesteryear was you could always count on her to get into her performances by her arms going or her facial expression or her legs moving even if there were in place. After seeing that performance or whatever you want to call it, it makes me really think something is terribly wrong. Something more is going on and I don't like to speculate, but she may very well have health issues we know nothing about. Medication can do all sorts of things to your body. She may have something she hasn't addressed, rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune disease, there are over over 100 different kinds, and they all require medication as well as steroids that cause bloating and stiffness. Mix that with her stagefright on live TV. I honestly don't know. I do know she mentioned when the babies were born she had problems with carpal tunnel in her hands and that is a form of auto immune, including Lupus. I suffer from that, and it is crazy on your body. I also had carpal tunnel when my daughter was born, as the pregnancy brought it out. She could be prone to any of those, as she is human after all. If none of those, she could be on antidepressants or something. She looked almost zoned. If this is what is going on, there is no shame in that, but she should not be thrown on tour until she gets the rest of help she needs to get well. If it's none of those, then the corset is too damn tight and she is afraid to move thinking it might come undone. I don't know. I do know that when she was filming MW, her body was amazing and she moved very well onstage. Her confidence oozed. Tanaka, you need to help MC and get her back into shape, she will feel much better physically and mentally. If she is drinking and mixing meds, that's not good either. She just looks lost and very sad. I hate to see her dragged like this, but totally get why it pisses people off. She took a spot up there, being honored, and she literally just stood there and was walked around, led by the arm. It's like she is in a trance. Then we got no speech, no acceptance of who she was grateful to, who inspired her, any inside stories on collaborations. This could have been such a golden moment and it felt like a completely wasted opportunity. We never know what goes on behind closed doors, if she is going through something, I am praying for her. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 02:04)

Re: VH1 performance was disrepectful (78,433) (78,436) by Bill from the UK Mariah's performances do make me uneasy. Not because of the lip syncing or the inability to move more than a foot unaided, but because there is this underlying concern. There is something seriously wrong with her. Like a health issue that is being masked as best as it can be. No corset or high heel can have that affect. Where's the Mariah who was running up and down the stage at the Grammy's belting out "Fly Like A Bird"? Or even the Mariah from the home video concerts who moved with grace and elegance and confidence? She is either, as you say, so entrenched in her alcoholism that she can only be wheeled out to lip sync and stand on the "x", or she is heavily medicated. My concern is that this woman I have loved dearly since 1993 will wind up in a casket before her time just like Michael and Whitney. And just like those two, the evidence was all around us, and no one did anything. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 01:22)

VH1 (78,435) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Funny how when MC is doing something right she gets passed over for example the tour with LR, she was professional and she showed up every night with issue, yet there was mention of anything, why because there was no problems when MC is on her A game, there is no coverage, but once there is, everyone feels is wrong, there are a million articles and coverage everywhere, I agree that Hip hop honors was a very lazy showing, but it's how most of today's industry gives half assed material and performances yet these artists are still celebrated and rewarded. That by no means gives MC the right to half ass things, but if we going to hold certain artists to a certain standard that same standard should be held for all. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 01:01)

Re: Article: Mariah is stiff as a board in Hip Hop Honors performance (78,420) (78,434) by Bill from the UK I would give Mariah a pass for not moving if she actually sang and belted out Honey, but she lipped the entire thing. I get why artists like Britney and Madonna lip their performances, as their dance routines are intense. Mariah doesn't even have to walk, but still can't sing a single note. It's all just smoke and mirrors. Just retire already. (Wednesday 20 September 2017; 00:32)

VH1 performance was disrepectful (78,433) by Special K from USA That performance was horrific and straight disrespectful. Thank God Ma$e, Jermaine Dupri, Da Brat, and The Lox were there. For the past 20 years Mariah has been trying so hard to be down and get respect from the Hip Hop community. They finally decide to honor her and what does this chick do? Gives them a big f$ck you performance. Mariah was straight drunk. I'm surprised her drunk ass didn't fall out of the helicopter. That performance could have been epic. Oh well, it was nice to see Ma$e again. (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 23:45)

Re: Article: Mariah is stiff as a board in Hip Hop Honors performance (78,420) (78,432) by J from USA And this is the exact sad/ignorant mentality that a lot of you "fans" have that will continuously praise Mariah while she's on stage making a joke of herself. Mariah is not a dancer, nobody is expecting Mariah to bust out a full fledge dance routine. Her stage presence is non existent nowadays. She doesn't move, she looks scared, she doesn't look like the pro I know she is, it's like she has someone directing her every move while onstage. Is annoying at this point. Look at the performances of honey from back in the day, hell from 2005/2006 and tell me you don't see a difference. (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 23:18)

Why was Mariah on stage? (78,421) (78,431) by ADAM from USA Is it terrible I'm just waiting for the second breakdown? Not to be a pessimist, but this era of subpar work ethic and gives zero F's is really past its prime. I want her to wake up and hit rock bottom. She walks around heavily medicated and bloated and doesn't not seem herself for many years. I would love nothing than to root her her. But she seems in Michael Jackson territory where everyone is bleeding her dry. (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 23:05)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey gets another shot at reality TV (78,409) (78,430) by RibbonB from USA Page Six tv show talked about it last night and Bevy Smith made some good points that this will likely be an even worse debacle than Mariah's World. E TVs handling of her show was bad enough, but VH1 is known for gut bucket gutter shows like whatever their names are starring Ray J, Stevie J, and every thirsty stripper/rapper wanna be. I suppose this VH1 honors show is a prompt for her to bring her mess there. May not be good if she just traded a stwllasr production for a Mona Scott Young production. Mona produced last night's VH1 honors show. (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 22:27)

Re: Mase and Mariah (78,417) (78,429) by Hilton from USA Love this. (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 22:20)

Re: VH1 (78,413) (78,428) by RibbonB from USA Child, that leg lift twirl is so reductive, repetitive and getting somewhat repulsive, but that just means she will keep doing it, so oh well. Sigh. She looked kind of cute if a whole lot nervous though. I just wonder why she didn't utter a speech? The weirdest thing about that show and all others involving DJ Khaled, is why he trots out his baby son every damned time he appears. (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 22:17)

Re: Article: Mariah is stiff as a board in Hip Hop Honors performance (78,420) (78,427) by May from Denmark She is not expected to dance, she is expected to move, let's say like she did for Honey live on MTV, "Joy to the world' in the cathedral or "Anytime you need a friend" in her tour to Japan. She walked, she threw her arms in the air. Adele is not asked to move because she could (we all know is past tense) sing live just fine, like we didn't care Mariah not moving back then when she sang live, I didn't care if some of her Vegas shows were a bit stiffy here and there because she was doing the effort of singing well live. Because she has some failed lip synch situations plus the NYE event that live or not nothing happened, people expect more of her, they think she will lip synch some or all the song, so they want her to pull a Rupaul's drag race final lip synch battle and give it all she got at least. But it isn't happening. What bugged me about this performance is that from the get go was so fake, people screaming in the public "it's not her" and laughing after a double Mariah was doing the stunt while the real Mariah was right there at the bottom of the wall waiting her entrance while being held and pushed like a grandma by a dancer. Why do they need to position her so much, it's so obvious. I ask this with all sincerity, is she having health problems? No high heels or chubbiness justifies being so stiff, she even required help to sit down in the jet ski. Is she for real that lazy or she has medical isssues going on? Where is this hard working woman? It's five freaking ki utes of her life, five minutes where she should drop the best and then go on vacations for 5 months and work at her own pace and drop an album a year later. It's five damn minutes. She came from a tour, some say she was stiff, others say she was good, fact is that fans go to see her so fans might be forgiving, but on live tv anyone is watching, she could give her all for 5 damn minutes. In another note, talking about ensembles, I thought her outfit it was ok for the stage but only if she did something other than pretend to be the Statue of Liberty, maybe she should have gone for a dress if she was going to stand for a while. But this video popped in my YT feed and I thought, amazing how much we can change through the years. Who doesn't think she is doing all the opposite from what she mentions in the video. Has her recent ensembles taken over the person? (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 22:12)

Re: Why was Mariah on stage? (78,421) (78,426) by Tijl from Belgium Dear Andrew, I know you are supossedly the accidental queen of shade on this board, but right now I do stand up with you... and we all should. Our lady is being honoured - matter of fact this award does mean a lot - and she could not care less. I became a genuine and obsessed fan only because of the Butterfly album. I never really cared about MC before her transformation to be honest. This was the best opportunity to find redemption after the new year's eve debacle but yet again we get... Well we didn't get anything. I am trying to find the exact definition because this wasn't a performance whatsoever. Do you lot remember when Mimi performed SIO and WBT at the MTV awards in Miami? You do because that was an epic moment. Last night was the next degree of seperation from the fans and from her legacy as a great artist. Can we keep on blaming Stella? I don't think so. (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 21:42)

Article: Mariah is stiff as a board in Hip Hop Honors performance (78,425) by Matthew from USA Adele, Aretha, and a lot of these other neo-soul artists get a pass on being stiff, because they actually sing. Mariah gets called out for her stiffness because she's also heavily lip-syncing. And if you can't move your hips or your lips, then you should probably just take a seat in the audience and let other artists who do move their hips and lips honor you. (Tuesday 19 September 2017; 20:23)

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