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The Velvet Rope turns 20 (78,684) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I'm probably gonna take some crap for this but if there is any album in 1997 that could rival Butterfly, it would be The Velvet Rope. Also Janet's magnum opus, it was just as introspective, and even more painful and experimentally diverse. Like Butterfly, it also aged the best among all of Janet's albums. I just love the fact that two of my favorite 90s albums from my two favorite female artists were released just weeks apart and coincidentally share the same soul-baring theme and effortlessly sensuous vibe. And of course, TVR contains both Together Again and the masterpiece I Get Lonely amongst a collection of other really strong tracks, such as Rope Burn, Go Deep, My Need, the title track and a gender-flipping cover of Tonight's The Night. Sadness has never sounded this good. Happy 20th, TVR. (Sunday 8 October 2017; 16:36)

Re: Beauty line/projects/tours (78,670) (78,683) by Lila from United States I second that eye roll. I'll believe that it's not about money when a snowball remains solid in hell. If it were all about creativity then she wouldn't be selling us a product. She'd be giving it away for free. Not that there is any creativity to be seen, anyway. I don't consider slapping a pink label on a vodka bottle or selling pink over sugared water as creative. I also don't see how anyone could think that Mariah is making major money off any of these projects. It's not like, for instance, that pink sugar water turned into the next Gatorade. She comes up with these projects, has an anti-climatic release for them, and then you never hear about them again. The only ventures she could've possibly made a good deal of money off of were Elizabeth Arden and MAC Cosmetics, most of that success is due greatly to those respective companies, and they definitely took the bigger slices of the pie as they own the products. Mariah only licenses out her name. The MAC collaboration was a one time thing and just last year, I read an article where a representative of Elizabeth Arden stated that their celebrity perfume sales were down. (Sunday 8 October 2017; 04:29)

Speaking of Migrate (78,682) by RibbonB from USA Please check YouTube for the "Haunting of T. Pain". I just stumbled upon a tv show episode on paranormal activity in his home. Dude needs to migrate if he thinks his house is haunted. He is a weird and troubled dude based on the things he revealed on that show. (Sunday 8 October 2017; 02:28)

Re: Just sayin' (78,679) (78,681) by Norman from USA Andrew, I hope you're brother is better soon; thankful he's home. Spending a day like that is scary and taxing on everyone. (Sunday 8 October 2017; 02:21)

Mariah Carey = Taylor Swift (78,680) by Randy from USA So I was listening to random MC today. And it occurred to me that for all the flack Taylor Swift gets about writing about exes, MC is the queen of that. She’s written a full anthology for Tommy. Clown for Em. Infinity for Nick, which by the way that line "everything you own you still owe" is mean. I Don’t for James. So my question is what songs do you all think were written with Derek Jeter or Luis Miguel in mind. And wasn’t she dating that executive Mark Sudek at one point? Is that who Becha Gon Know about? (Sunday 8 October 2017; 02:16)

Just sayin' (78,679) by Andrew from UK Just spent the day with paramedics in an ambulance and hospital with and for my brother, to come home and listen to Mariah, namely Petals and Close My Eyes (Orange Clouds). That's why I don't give up on her. That's who she is to me. The vocal and musical comfort to my soul. No matter how I approach it or the piss I may take. I think maybe now Mariah, when she is the true Mariah that I grew to know, is the infamous (infuhmuzz) guardian angel. I wish you all happy times, happy holidays, and, if we have or have not spoken, if we will meet or will never meet, a long and happy life. (Sunday 8 October 2017; 01:09)

I Don't (78,678) by Anonymous from Guys, can't help it, still like this track. Just heard it in the club, very sexy. Video is still stink but it's a tune. (Sunday 8 October 2017; 00:05)

Re: Touring (78,662) (78,677) by B from USA I think you'd be surprised. (Saturday 7 October 2017; 19:57)

Re: Mariah's Christmas (78,669) (78,676) by Hilton from USA You hit the nail right in the head. The people in this board, sometimes, are really unreasonable and expect her to be on her A game all the time, for every situation. That's unreasonable. No one on this board is perfect, yet people still insist on expecting perfection from another human being. Get a life, seriously. (Saturday 7 October 2017; 13:01)

Re: AIWFC at Chicago Theatre 11/18 (78,672) (78,675) by Adam from Usa I'll be there. (Saturday 7 October 2017; 04:12)

Re: Stripped version of Underneath the Stars (78,673) (78,674) by Licia from USA This is a nice one. Thanks for sharing. I love that this person is making me enjoy songs that I either didn't really like or I haven't listened to in years. (Saturday 7 October 2017; 01:24)

Stripped version of Underneath the Stars (78,673) by Lee from UK I have fallen in love all over again with this song. The background whistle notes throughout the end are a lot more prominent and crystal clear. The guy who does this is amazing, I'd love to know where he sources the isolated vocals from. (Saturday 7 October 2017; 00:35)

AIWFC at Chicago Theatre 11/18 (78,672) by Chicago Lamb from USA Just got killer seats for the All I want for Christmas show in Chicago at Chicago Theatre for a friend and I. Who is with me? I'm excited to hear Mariah sing her Christmas classics. (Saturday 7 October 2017; 00:25)

Re: Mariah's Christmas (78,669) (78,671) by Andrew from UK Feisty one, you are. Strong with you, the Stella is. (Friday 6 October 2017; 23:31)

Re: Beauty line/projects/tours (78,667) (78,670) by Licia from USA It's all about the money. Lol. (Friday 6 October 2017; 23:26)

Mariah's Christmas (78,669) by Nikki from usa You guys should do some research on what "breaking news" means. Mariah had a scheduled interview to talk about her upcoming Christmas projects. This was all about holiday cheer. The fact this guy didn't do any of that, but just informed her of breaking news she has no idea about, doesn't have the details to, and this isn't her jurisdiction, is uncalled for. Her job is sing. She doesn't need to keep up on tragedies or speak on them if she doesn't want to. That's her choice. She should've never been put on the spot like that. It wasn't the purpose of her segment and its original purpose never happened. She was smiling and her face fell. She didn't know if she was on the opposite end of a twisted joke or if he was telling her the truth. She had no idea what was going on. I'd bet anything the self righteousness here would be out the window if someone shoved a camera in your face, put you on the spot unawares, and had everyone criticize every idiosyncratic moment you did. It doesn't matter that she's a celebrity who's used to talking about her music projects. She's not improv or someone who makes speeches. No amount of spotlight is going to prepare you for that situation unless you're a professional news anchor. (Friday 6 October 2017; 20:17)

Re: Mariah/Celine/Whitney: No nom for Hall of Fame (78,666) (78,668) by CDC from CA I believe it can happen for Mariah Whitney and Janet, but Celine - not much hope there. Just not enough credibility in that community. Even though I never gave the RRHOF much clout and believe its losing relevance as time goes on, it would be nice for some of Mariah's famous items to be exhibited in a museum, like her Merry Christmas jumpsuit and the spray painted Rainbow album cover tank and bottoms. The issue is that there really isn't much of a precedent for Mariah's induction. Other than the poor Donna Summer, to whom they dangled the prospect of induction right above her nose for years and then finally did it the year after she died. So tacky. And just looking at previous nominations lists, the RRHOF reserve only one spot on the ballot for a solo female act. So if they let Janet and Whitney in first, then Mariah's chances should look good and it might be more palatable to some of those angry rock purists who would prefer that more one-note/one-hit-wonder conventional rock bands be acknowledged for half the accomplishments of a Mariah-type. But who knows how long that will take, so let's let Cher, Patti LaBelle, Dolly Parton, Chaka Khan and other pre-Reagan era women, who've waited even longer, have their moment first. Now if that forever rumoured Hip Hop Hall of Fame can get off its feet, then I would join a voracious online campaign to help get Mariah noticed. (Friday 6 October 2017; 19:59)

Beauty line/projects/tours (78,667) by Nikki from usa I do believe it was just gossip that she and Stella were looking for a place to open together. A few months after that story we found out MC was overseas and helped create a new cosmetics line for Dead Sea Cosmetics for the Israeli consumer base. She did a bunch of promo and ads over there for the line. I hate to break it to all the "she's overweight, so she has major health issues, and must be on anti psychotics because she can't walk in sky high heels" crowd, but with the music market sucking and uncertainties with her label, touring is a natural avenue to take. Yes, it's a bit much and she should slow down, but Mariah's been like this since day 1. This isn't a new development. How she used to do albums is how she's doing touring. Mariah's projects aren't businesses she's starting. She always collabs with other major businesses. It's no different than when she teamed up with Elizabeth Arden for her perfume lines. These don't cost her money. She makes major money off of them. It's not about steady income, it's about trying new things and being creative when she can't make music. She makes a celebrity line and it sells. She could put someone in place to keep the line continuing, but she doesn't need to. The candy place is well known for its cotton candy flavors. MC worked with them to create new flavors and is selling them. She didn't start a candy company. (Friday 6 October 2017; 19:48)

Mariah/Celine/Whitney: No nom for Hall of Fame (78,666) by Sheila from United States Wow, maybe next year the lambs can get involved like Janet's fans did. (Friday 6 October 2017; 12:04)

Re: Touring (78,663) (78,665) by Sarah from Netherlands She opened that candy store didn’t she? I think that was it rather than a makeup line. Makeup would make no sense to sell in a brick-and-mortar shop only tbh. (Friday 6 October 2017; 10:52)

Re: Touring (78,659) (78,664) by RibbonB from USA She should take a break, but touring is how she keeps her income. Lord knows that team wants to jeep their income. (Friday 6 October 2017; 02:28)

Re: Touring (78,661) (78,663) by Mara from United States Hmm, very good observation about Stella and the promotion. Now that you mention it, she has been very quiet. Perhaps if she is still around, she is not in charge of her musical career. Wishful thinking to think she may be out completely. Maybe now that her name is associated with the All I Want movie and other behind the scene things, that is enough. Doubtful, but you never know. Speaking of MC in business with Stella, anyhow hear anything more on the makeup line her and Stella were going to do? Remember when they were seen with a realtor looking at storefronts in L.A.? (Friday 6 October 2017; 02:11)

Re: Touring (78,661) (78,662) by Lila from United States Realistically, how many of those very large venues would she pack let alone sell out? I'd say not many. On top of it, her useless team drops the ball on promoting the tours yet have all the time in the world to deny stories that they've collaborated with Gossip Cop to come up with in the first place. (Friday 6 October 2017; 01:14)

Re: Touring (78,659) (78,661) by SM from Citizen of the World Maybe Mariah really wants to be with her fans at this point and enjoys being on the road seeing everyone at the shows everyone who wants to really see her. I mean if it was all for the money wouldn’t she play a larger venues like MSG in NYC just once rather than the intimate Beacon shows? Idk I was just thinking that and I am shocked Stella has not yet posted any promotion for the tours, well that I noticed. (Thursday 5 October 2017; 20:43)

Re: Touring (78,659) (78,660) by MusicfanJ from Germany Completley agree with Mara. I also fear that she is getting burned out. Even when Mariah was 26 you could tell how hard all the touring is. And at that time she seemed very fit and she was so young. I think it's dangerous to live only for the money. Being well and healthy is so much more important. And I also agree that it seems like Mariah doesn't want to reflect her life and lifestyle. She's "running away" from something with all the work and you can already tell that it causes problems. My worry is that she won't stop until a new breakdown is there. (Thursday 5 October 2017; 17:29)

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