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Re: I was born at night, not last night (75,907) (75,910) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter By shading Stella do you mean what he said about how the person who leaked the news shouldn't have done that? Is he really shading her though? Last time when he went on a spree talking about how only he is loyal to Mariah, I thought it was shade, now I don't know. If true, I wonder if he ever spoke to MC about his feelings regarding Stella. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 14:43)

Re: Martyn (75,892) (75,909) by MusicfanJ from Germany Thanks B for sharing. It's still unbelievable and makes me sad to watch. But I also think it's a nice gesture that Wendy Williams was explaining the audience why the chair is empty and that she talked about Martyn's plans. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 13:55)

Re: Mariah lost the plot after Memoirs (75,903) (75,908) by T from USA The second part: Why 2009 and Obsessed are so significant. It hit me the other day. I used to love Kanye West, espeically during the College Drop Out/Late Registration eras. But in the last few years I haven't liked his public persona. I haven't bought his last three albums and don't care for the songs. Kanye the person rubs me the wrong way. Now I will always have a soft spot for those early songs (as I'm sure the public does with Mariah's early hits), but the more Kanye annoys me, even that taints his older songs in my eyes. Now to Mariah. She was one of the most brilliant pop stars of her generation. She would always craft a song not specifically about her but in a way that could relate to everyone. She didn't alienate with her lyrics. She knew that she had to take herself out of the equation so that the songs would become timeless. But since 2009 and Obsessed she's started to alienate with her persona (and her lyrics, the songs were more pointed towards her drama). Had she stayed the good girl who was just about the music I don't think she would be in any career mess right now. But she rubs people the wrong way and eventually it's going to affect her older material as well. When people hear the name Mariah, unfortunately they are just going to turn the channel. It's funny how you can tear down everything you once held dear just by trying to stay relavant. It's almost ironic. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 13:52)

Re: I was born at night, not last night (75,901) (75,907) by Butterfly from Shawn on twitter shading Stella and trying to convince us Bryan and Mariah are so real. Yet she's still wearing James' ring and necklace. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 13:36)

Re: Can we all get along? (75,902) (75,906) by G.G. from USA I find it hilarious that Andrew, of all people, would want the group dynamic to change. He is consistently the rudest, most negative person on this message board. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 13:17)

Re: Wendy Williams tribute to Martyn (75,891) (75,905) by Licia from USA That was a really nice thing for Wendy to do. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 10:51)

Re: Merry Christmas II You (75,900) (75,904) by Licia from USA I was trying so hard not to bring up the drinking, but it certainly crossed my mind. Lol. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 10:49)

Re: Mariah lost the plot after Memoirs (75,878) (75,903) by T from USA I think the truth is money motivates Mariah. It always has. She was a poor kid growing up and music was a means to an ends. Had she been born rich there is no telling if she would've worked as hard or produced that sound and written those songs. Now that she is so rich she doesn't need music the same way she once did. She used to always say that she would feel that the rug would get pulled out from under her if she didn't continue to work hard. But now I think she realizes she is set for life. Mariah's musical career took a dip once the money wasn't there in music anymore, which was right around 2009 (when she went Gold). She tried one more attempt at cashing in with a second Chirstmas album but that didn't sell like the old days either. So she settled on an 18 million dollar reality TV show paycheck. (Something she swore she would never do in the past, but like the Virgin Records deal, money talks.) I will always wonder what would've been if she used Idol properly to promote MIAM. Maybe just maybe we wouldn't be down this road right now. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 03:36)

Can we all get along? (75,902) by 123 from USA I was hoping that after Andrew posted that we should change the dynamic of this board to what it should be that people would slow down on the fighting but it wasn't even 24 hours after Martyn's passing and the claws were out. It may be of no use but I'm just asking if we can stop the fighting and make this board what it should be. Can we all just get along, in memory of Martyn? (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 02:29)

Re: I was born at night, not last night (75,883) (75,901) by Lila from United States You can't understand why I'm upset because I'm not upset. Annoyed yes but not upset. Just because someone points something out, it doesn't make them upset. I pointed out that they can't keep their stories straight and I stand by it. It's funny how you say that Shawn's now saying an album doesn't take 6 months to make because when he answered a previous fan's question about it he rudely told her "What part of 'just started recording' don't you like? Would you prefer a rushed album that isn't good?" So, which is it? No one misinterpreted anything Shawn said because there's no way to misinterpret what he said. He was going out of his way to make it seem like not much had been done for the album. Now, he's changing his story. I don't know how much Mariah has recorded or not recorded. I personally don't even care. I'm not putting a time constraint on what she does. My point is to bring up that I don't like the obvious flip flopping and toying that's going on. As far as the "relationship" and this supposed "leaker" and there being more to the story, that's highly doubtful. Shawn said they never broke up. The obvious has already been pointed out but I'll point it out again: 1) The most obvious: If they never broke up, where did Bryan go? This man had nothing better to do in life than follow Mariah around all day. I'm sure someone is going to hit me with some nonexistent job he was probably out doing though. Now he's back on the scene and unamazingly enough he still has nothing to do but follow her around. 2) Why was Mariah suddenly publicly and keenly hanging out with Nick? Including dinner just the two of them and his being invited to her launch party, especially right after the rumors of Bryan being jealous of him? 3) Why was she, out of nowhere, riding around in Nick's Rolls Royce? 4) How is it that she found the strength to, at least, remove the necklace, gifted to her by her ex-fiancé, that she had been rocking everywhere when she was supposedly in a relationship with Bryan, to hang out with Nick, her now ex-husband, and now that Bryan's resurfaced, she's again wearing it? 5) Besides the fact that those stories completely trashing Bryan originated from TMZ, Mariah and Stella's go to, who also completely trashed James Packer, while Mariah's piss poor rep could not be bothered to deny those stories, she certainly had no problem denying the story that Bryan was writing a tell all. Oh, but it wasn't because he's some great guy and wouldn't do such a thing but because he'd signed a confidentiality agreement. 6) Why did Mariah tell the TMZ cameras that she was enjoying being single? Any one else is free to believe what they want but I have to call BS. None of those actions speak of a woman in a relationship let alone one with Bryan. Feels more like the wool is trying to be pulled over our eyes, cheap and itchy at that. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 02:01)

Re: Merry Christmas II You (75,898) (75,900) by Billy from England, UK I think she wasn't drinking round that time so her mind and voice was all about the music (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 01:56)

Re: Dog walking app (75,895) (75,899) by Licia from USA I rolled my eyes so hard when I saw that on Ig. Promoting everything, but music. Not even really promoting the dang tour. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 01:27)

Re: Merry Christmas II You (75,896) (75,898) by Licia from USA I agree. One child and When Christmas Comes are beautiful songs and the vocals were top notch. This era showed that she could still put together great music. I don't know whether it was the pregnancy that motivated her, but I'd like her to get back into that space. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 01:25)

Re: I was born at night, not last night (75,886) (75,897) by RibbonB from USA Shawn probably likes to feel important so Mimi let's him drunk tweet random thoughts from time to time. The narrative will change again when it is expedient to do so. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 00:53)

Re: Merry Christmas II You (75,879) (75,896) by RibbonB from USA When Christmas Comes still warms my heart. Such a great song with great vocals. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 00:12)

Dog walking app (75,895) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Stella has got Mariah another stone groove smash hit endorsement deal, a dog walking app. Every A list celebs wish they could land such a deal. (Wednesday 31 May 2017; 00:11)

Shawn game (75,894) by RibbonB from USA Just having "fun" with the game, but did anyone else notice Shawn posted a picture of a black car and a white car parked at Marian's house? He hash tagged both car show and Mimi. The picture then mysteriously disappeared. The white car was Nick's Rollls with the Ncredible plate. The one Mariah was seen out and about in on multiple sightings during the "she is back with Nick week". Perhaps Lannister has some insight into that. (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 23:55)

Re: Mariah lost the plot after Memoirs (75,876) (75,893) by B from USA Wasn't she provoked though? Didn't Em diss her and Nick before she released Obsessed? I love Obsessed. I've had a few stalkers or ex's that can't or won't move on. (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 23:42)

Martyn (75,892) by B from USA Wendy talked about Martyn. I don't know if this has been shared but here's the link. (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 23:30)

Wendy Williams tribute to Martyn (75,891) by RibbonB from USA Was also very touching. How sad that he was to be in the audience of her show on his planned vacation. (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 23:25)

Re: Mariah lost the plot after Memoirs (75,878) (75,890) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Totally agree. A keen observer would have noticed that the 2009-2011 period was a huge transition in the music industry in many ways. This was a time when Lady GaGa and Ke$ha, who ushered in and dominated the scene with electropop from 2009-2010 started to get crushed under the very trends they repopularized in 2011, just a year later. This also brought in the new wave/generation of music fans, the ones who equate relatability with youth, and so artists over 35 began to feel the real struggle of having a top 10 hit without doing something drastic or controversial. This is where ageism became truly apparent. Add to that the shift from being an album-driven to a single-driven business (Adele would later on be the only exception), we would now see why Mariah, a true 90s albums artist, would find it really difficult to catch up. Her decision-making career-wise progressively began to go downhill since then, with more misses and lesser hits as years went by. As terrible as the Idol stint was, she didn't use the renewed interest in her wisely. At the same time, the producers also decided to milk the unappealing feud for promotional purposes. Then came the multiple album delays and her accident which completely crippled any legs that MIAM had back then. It really was a series of unfortunate events and bad decisions. Come to think of it, for Mariah, the only great things that came out of the 2009-2013 period were Memoirs, MC2Y, DemBabies and #Beautiful. (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 23:17)

Re: The stars are out (except one?) (75,882) (75,889) by Billy from England, UK I was thinking the same Mariah should definitely be there especially for Martyn, she is not doing anything else right now is she? (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 21:36)

The diva demands on set (75,888) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I completely get Mariah refusing to be "shot" with a gun that kills her off in the movie. First of all she's playing herself, why would she want to get shot, it's not a character, it's Mariah. Second with all the violence around, I understand she might not be comfortable with such morbidity, this is a sensitive topic. What I don't get is how she only got to know about this on the day of the filming. I'm sure when hiring her, they gave a briefing of what they expected, why didn't her team out right refuse it then and there and suggest the changes before Mariah signed? Stella are you so freaking busy counting money that you didn't even read? Can you even read or is your reading capability on the same level as your contouring skills? Secondly why sign on to sing a song and not sing? I honestly am so confused, jeez. What on earth is going on? (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 20:08)

Re: The stars are out (except one?) (75,882) (75,887) by Malcolm from Asia I do hope she joins them for the victims especially Martyn. Not to sound insensitive but it can also squash whatever she and Ariana have. Now, if it happens that someone will mention Ariana in her future interviews and I will hear another I don't know her or I don't listen to pop music, she's crazy and absurd like it's too much. (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 19:33)

Re: I was born at night, not last night (75,883) (75,886) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter While there is a chance that there was "more to the story than we know", you think Mariah's team wouldn't have released a statement saying all those "gold digger, fame hungry, user" stories were untrue? Come on now, they even released a statement that Mariah didn't have a "feud" with Joe Jonas at the NYE event, and that is something no one even reported on, yet they addressed it. They responded to some story about Mariah getting it on with Tanaka at a restaurant loo, yet another story I didn't hear about before they responded. Yet when multiple stories were leaked about Tanaka, not one to oppose it? Shawn wasn't even in contact with Mariah all these months, he said it himself that he hasn't spoken to her since Christmas, up until his birthday recently. Don't know why he even bothered answering stuff. (Tuesday 30 May 2017; 19:11)

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