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Re: Feeling vindication / Lee Daniels (62,463) (62,465) by Marissa from USA There are only about 2 regular posters on this messageboard whose sole purpose is to bitterly drag Mariah and who refuse to ever say anything positive in 99% of their posts. Most of the other people on here are a lot less extreme and crass than people give them credit for. We know that Mariah has been taken advantage of and exploited by her family, controlled, her slip ups are highly publicized while her successes are slept on by the media, "friends" trashing her in the public, etc. We all know that she has been done wrong in a lot of ways and has a good, genuine heart. Just because her backstory isn't being laid out in every critical post doesn't mean that we don't understand where she's coming from. But just because we understand how she came to behave the way she does doesn't mean that everyone should stop asking for a change. I understand why Mariah hides behind the diva persona, but I certainly don't want the constant diva caricature to continue for the rest of her life and rob us (and herself) of the depth and rawness that we got from her for years. I definitely agree with Lee that she uses the diva persona to mask pain. I feel Mariah loves the crew she's with now because they would rather enable her to put bandaids on emotional bullet wounds with shade, splashes, daring outfits and frequent partying than to actually encourage her to heal from the things that have hurt her. (Saturday 21 May 2016; 1:08)

Re: Lee Daniels (62,460) (62,464) by Licia from USA I don't think I could love Lee anymore than I already do after reading what he's said. He's another person who I truly believe really cares about Mariah. I don't think he bites his tongue when he speaks to her in private either. As I said before all I can do is hope for the best with this show. (Saturday 21 May 2016; 0:57)

Feeling vindication / Lee Daniels (62,463) by Mirage_Nunez from America I don't think anybody argued the whole diva thing being an act and her shade being a defense mechanism or anything else Lee Daniels said. So I'm not getting why people are gloating about being vindicated. The difference between what Lee said and what some people on here say about Mariah is how he spoke of Mariah in a respectful, protective manner, and pointed out how she has been a victim of abuse and bullied (hello) by not only family and loved ones, but the public as well. He sure didn't sound parallel to people who blatantly hate Mariah like some indivuals here do. I love how he pointed out on how loyal, good hearted, yet fragile Mariah really is as a person. I've always felt that and have always been very perceptive of Mariah as a person. That's why I ride so hard for her, because I see beyond the protective exterior. I can go deeper with this topic as far as how creating an ulterego can help people cope with drama, hurt and betrayal, but I'll save that for a later discussion. Meanwhile I'm still optimistic about Mariah's World. It's okay to have reservations (nobody argued that), it's when people try to predict/claim doom to her life and future that's bothersome. The show is coming no matter what so all we can do is hope for the best. (Saturday 21 May 2016; 0:10)

Re: New pictures (62,453) (62,462) by 123 from USA Why is that dancer in the limo with her and James? Hmmm. And is this the same prince that has those yearly parties with all the big American celebrities because if he is, he looks way different. (Friday 20 May 2016; 23:52)

Re: Lee Daniels about Mariah (62,455) (62,461) by Will from England My thinking on this is based upon the previous shows that Mariah has done with cameras following her. Whilst she has said she doesn't like it, those shows (E. Uncut and the Charmbracelet promo tour) I thought were very well put together and were interesting in terms of showing us a bit behind the scenes. This show I feel and hope, is along a similar vein and style, just spread out over a few days/weeks (an episode per week?). They keep on bringing up "Being Bobby Brown" and I think Mariah, would want to keep it as far away as that as possible. And also, Whitney and Mariah are two very different people, influenced and surrounded by different people. Mariah is engaged/soon-to-be-married to a man who is successful financially and professionally who doesn't do drugs, Whitney was not. Mariah would not let herself be shown in that light ever. As for what Lee Daniels said, he is right that Mariah has been mistreated by her fans, her family, those she thought she'd be with for the rest of her life, other celebrities etc. And that can change people in many different ways, especially with how they deal with it. In Mariah's case, it is clear that she uses her sarcasm and deflection as her way to deal with uncomfortable situations. Whether that seems diva-esque is immaterial. I'm going out on a limb by saying that some fans do bully Mariah on this board by constantly bashing her for this, that and the other. Her reference to JLo's comment on being "forgetful" shows that she's more than aware of what people are saying about her. Her comment about being more "financially stable/successful" shows that she knows she's not raking in as much as she used to, with her various endeavors over the past couple of years along with music. Is she mentally unstable? That's not for anyone here or her personal life to decide. (Friday 20 May 2016; 23:29)

Re: Lee Daniels (62,446) (62,460) by Marissa from USA I feel the same way. To me, Lee's quotes just discredited all of the people who were accusing us of being uninformed haters for being alarmed by Mariah's choice to do a reality show and her affinity for constantly hiding behind her diva image. But I guess Lee's just a hater right, although he is one of MC's closest friends and Mariah uses every opportunity to sing his praises despite him always telling her the truth even if it stings? I too feel vindicated. Mariah isn't as turned off by tough love as a lot of people make her out to be. (Friday 20 May 2016; 22:57)

Re: "Trainwreck" (62,458) (62,459) by RibbonB from USA We will get to see what they have set up for us to see. A lot of it is playing out before our eyes right now. It will be a mess that's for sure. I just hope it won't ultimately end up as worst case scenario: Whitney, or next worst like Britney mental moment where you lose your kids and go under conservatorship. Next worst is a Halle moment, custody issues and an almost dormant career. Some people like to watch trainwrecks, I'm just not one of them. I wish Mariah and her kids the best. Family abuse or whatever Lee is implying may explain her actions, but dealing with it in healthy ways is the only help for it. This current team may be her biggest abuser to date. Poor Mimi. (Friday 20 May 2016; 22:55)

"Trainwreck" (62,458) by Mirage_Nunez from America "Trainwreck" has been used rather loosely in the past in reference to Mariah. For example her classic Cribs episode (which the general public enjoyed and ate up) was describe as a "train wreck" along with her Home Shopping Network shows which many also found entertaining. So I'm not alarmed by people using that term, I actually think it's a selling point to people so they'll tuned in. As long as we she get to see all sides of Mariah. It will do her good. (Friday 20 May 2016; 20:46)

Just to be clear Mimi L. (62,457) by Mirage_Nunez from America Mimi L., it was JLo's second appearance on Andy when he asked the hypothetical question about seeing Britney or Mariah. I was referring to her last appearance (after she went to Vegas) in which Andy called her out for texting during Mariah's AMA performance and not going to her Vegas show. Here. Then within the same week or something she appeared on Wendy and gave a different reason for not attending here. I'm not saying she was obligated to go see MC's show, I meant I get it. I'm just pointing out that she couldn't have been sincere about why she didn't go. Aka being fake about it. Anyway no more beating this dead horse, moving on. (Friday 20 May 2016; 20:39)

Re: WWHL entire show (62,430) (62,456) by Nowayjoseh from UK You're amazing, thank you so much. (Friday 20 May 2016; 20:27)

Lee Daniels about Mariah (62,455) by MusicfanJ from Germany What do you think about the talking from Lee Daniels that he thinks Mariah isn't ready for the documentary on TV? That Mariah was or is still used and abused really explains a lot. I always thought the diva-playing is just to hide her true self because of to many bad experiences. The song Looking In says it already in 96. I really hope that everything is fine and ok with her. True friends are hard to find, to trust a manager who looks like a wannabe wouldn't be my choice. But showbiz isn't new to Mariah so let's hope she's with the "right" people. (Friday 20 May 2016; 19:53)

Re: Mariah's World (62,441) (62,454) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter When people ask Mariah about her docuseries in her recent appearances, she usually is very vague about it and gives brief answers. Why even do a promo round if you will not talk about your project? She should have a sort of description memorized so that she can say it on the shows. I do hope it is a classy docuseries and not a ratchet reality show. But Stella really isn't classy so I don't know what she'll do with the show since she is Mariah's only companion now, her behavior will influence Mariah a lot. (Friday 20 May 2016; 19:44)

New pictures (62,453) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Mariah at Prince Azim's party. With the Bulochnikovs. Mariah arriving in London for Prince Azim's party. (Friday 20 May 2016; 19:19)

Article: "Abused" Mariah Carey isn't fit for reality TV (62,452) by Billy from Greece "She is very fragile, and she has been through a lot. She has been used, she has been abused. Some people don't have that Teflon sort of thing that I do, so she masks it with this coquettish thing that is hiding her nervousness and her pain and her own family's abuse to her", Daniels said. "She is misunderstood, because she is really, really ride or die. She really, really, really will do anything for you." Maybe this will prove enlightening to certain people, or not. (Friday 20 May 2016; 19:00)

Re: The most overrated MC song and what's better (62,434) (62,451) by B from USA Fantasy is a musical masterpiece. I love the original and all of the remixes. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:44)

Re: The most overrated MC song and what's better (62,422) (62,450) by darrian liu from taiwan Hero. It's really not a bad song but it's a bit too cheesy. Fly Like A Bird or Through The Rain felt more passionate. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:39)

Re: Yes, you do know her (62,437) (62,449) by B from USA Mariah and Jennifer are playing up the feud because it keeps them relevant. Mariah handled the Jennifer question well. She was honest. She admitted she knows of her but doesn't know her. She didn't throw shade at Minja she just chose not to answer the question. She's praised Beyonce and Fifth Harmony. She's only shaded Ariana but let's be honest if the media was calling someone the new you you'd be peeved too. She doesn't write or produce her music like Mariah and her voice doesn't compare to Mariah's. Don't get me started on JLo. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:37)

Flaws like the rest of us (62,448) by George Golden from UK Why are people on here criticising Mariah's WWHL interview. I thought she was funny and on point. She sang Madonna's praises, she said she loved Beyonce and Jay-Z. Did you expect her to say something nice about Nicky Minage? Really? She said she doesn't know JLo. It's not a must that she must acknowledge her. You all need to get over yourselves and leave Mariah alone. You say you are fans yet you critic her every move. She is only human with flaws like the rest of us. The show has not aired yet some of you are branding it a failure. Really? I love her for her music and I as long as she keeps making great music, number one or not, That's all I am here for. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:31)

Mariah's World (62,447) by B from USA Why didn't Mariah as her close friends before deciding to do this docuseries/reality show? Daniel's echoed what many of us have said. Mariah is too big of a star to do a reality show and after Idol I would've have thought she would never do it again. I'm going to wait until I've seen all eight episode before deeming the project a failure though. I think Stella is the reason she decided to do this but no releasing a new single to coincide with the premiere is a wasted opportunity. If she did so she could score a hit. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:30)

Lee Daniels (62,446) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales So Lee Daniels, who does actually know Mariah personally, and who is as far as both of them have stated, a true friend of Mariah, has echoed sentiments that not only I but a few others on this board have spoken. We who are "haters" and want to do nothing but bringing Mariah down. I stood by my points when I made them, and although unnecessary, I do feel somewhat vindicated because after being attacked with accusations, my points can now be seen as observation. And as a huge fan who has and will love Mariah forever, I do a lot of observing. It's never my intention to bring Mariah down or make her feel bad, but sometimes we do need to be questioned when we can't see that what we're doing or the road we're taking may not be good for us. "Geniuses have to be saved from themselves sometimes," said Lee Daniels. Amen to that, say I. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:24)

Re: The most overrated MC song and what's better (62,438) (62,445) by B from USA Slipping Away is another underrated Mariah song. It should have been included on Daydream and released as a single. I love Mariah's cover of Open Arms but it's overrated. I would have went with When I Saw You. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:24)

Re: The most overrated MC song and what's better (62,422) (62,444) by enwar00 from usa Heartbreaker. I prefer Loverboy. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:16)

Re: The most overrated song (62,443) by Jeff from USA I have three: Hero, Heartbreaker, and Don't Forget About Us. (I know, I know.) Hero is inspirational for so many, but for me, I can tell that MC is tired of singing it, so I wish she could do something else. I would love to see her swap it out for something else, perhaps Close My Eyes. Heartbreaker was fun, cute, and is now ready for retirement. If we want to be festive, my vote would be for Shake It Off. Don't Forget About Us. I'm ready to forget it. I'm thinking Slipping Away would be much more enjoyable. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:05)

Bevelations (62,442) by RibbonB from USA The show is called Bevelations. Auto correct. The article also made Page Six. (Friday 20 May 2016; 18:05)

Mariah's World (62,441) by B from USA While watching E News they talked with their TV insider and she said the new show is a train wreck and likened it to Mariah's infamous Cribs episode which isn't promising. The excerpt from Billboard also refers to it as a train wreck and I'm starting to worry. It won't change how I feel about Mariah but it probably won't do her any favors. Why would she call it a docuseries if it's actually a reality show? I was hoping for a classy docuseries focusing on her residency and world tour with clips from the shows but I guess we're getting Love & Hip-hop featuring rambling interviews with Mariah and Stella. (Friday 20 May 2016; 17:30)

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