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Mariah vs Brenda (104,319) by Lee from USA The weird thing about this is that these folks don't care about Darlene in the first place. The woman worked with Cher this year, and still no difference in Billboard chart position. Love threw a tantrum and still got smoked in the charts. Brenda's song came out 36 years before AIWFCIY and has been around for 5-6 decades, and the label finally cares about it. (Saturday 2 December 2023; 01:02) this is a reply to message 104,318

Mariah vs Brenda (104,318) by Bobby A from United States Thanks for the update, Edward. Seems like there is a considerable effort this year to keep MC from getting to number one or staying number one for multiple weeks this year. UMG is Brenda Lee's record label. They are really going all out this year with this huge promotional push to celebrate RATCT's 65th anniversary. But why now after 4 years of AIWFCIY being the number one Christmas song? Well I think I know why. Some people in the music and television industry are tired of hearing MC being called the queen of Christmas. It started when MC wanted to trademark the Queen Of Christmas last year. She angered Darlene Love and Elizabeth Chan. Many in the music and television industry were angered by MC's trademark move as well. So, I feel this is their payback for MC attempting to take the queen of Christmas all for herself and from sweet Darlene Love. Everyone already feels sorrow for her how Phil Spector used her voice and she never was publicly credited on a lot the songs she did for him. Phil Spector controlled her early career and was content to leave her uncredited on the songs he did for him. Do you think that I have hit on something? (Saturday 2 December 2023; 00:13)

Mariah vs Brenda (104,318) by Bobby A from United States Thanks for the update, Edward. Seems like there is a considerable effort this year to keep MC from getting to number one or staying number one for multiple weeks this year. UMG is Brenda Lee's record label. They are really going all out this year with this huge promotional push to celebrate RATCT's 65th anniversary. But why now after 4 years of AIWFCIY being the number one Christmas song? Well I think I know why. Some people in the music and television industry are tired of hearing MC being called the queen of Christmas. It started when MC wanted to trademark the Queen Of Christmas last year. She angered Darlene Love and Elizabeth Chan. Many in the music and television industry were angered by MC's trademark move as well. So, I feel this is their payback for MC attempting to take the queen of Christmas all for herself and from sweet Darlene Love. Everyone already feels sorrow for her how Phil Spector used her voice and she never was publicly credited on a lot the songs she did for him. Phil Spector controlled her early career and was content to leave her uncredited on the songs he did for him. Do you think that I have hit on something? (Saturday 2 December 2023; 00:13) this is a reply to message 104,315

Mariah vs Brenda (104,315) by Edward from USA According to Talk of the Charts predictions, AIWFCIY will be number one next week, but judging by the numbers, RATCT might top it the week after. As I said, it's going to be an interesting journey for both songs. Maybe they'll alternate at the top, but Brenda would set a record almost impossible to break. Should she hit numbe one, RATCT would be the song with the longest time to get to the top spot, 65. She can have it though. Other than that, Brenda didn't write her song, so she doesn't make money from it really. We definitely need Mariah to dethrone Lil Nas. (Friday 1 December 2023; 18:28)

Emotions formula (104,317) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I would 1000% agree with all saying that Emotions is the superior album, far and away. The debut sounds so dated in 2023, where as Emotions has a pure timelessness to it, plus one of Mariah's more unique album art (meaning not just a close up of her face, or in a power stance). (Friday 1 December 2023; 23:23) this is a reply to message 104,316

Emotions formula (104,316) by Terna from Nigeria I'll just say this, between those two records, one is on the cusp of being certified Diamond - her third if I might add, while the other still has a long way to go (the numbers never lie). There's a reason why "Vision of Love" and "Love Takes Time" were the songs chosen for the tribute - they are instantly recognizable classics (even in that time), that have stood the test of time, the kind of songs seasoned songwriters would kill to have to their credit, written by a then 19 year old a testament in itself and can only be found on the most stellar debut ever by an artist - Mariah Carey. (Friday 1 December 2023; 21:00)

Emotions formula (104,316) by Terna from Nigeria I'll just say this, between those two records, one is on the cusp of being certified Diamond - her third if I might add, while the other still has a long way to go (the numbers never lie). There's a reason why "Vision of Love" and "Love Takes Time" were the songs chosen for the tribute - they are instantly recognizable classics (even in that time), that have stood the test of time, the kind of songs seasoned songwriters would kill to have to their credit, written by a then 19 year old a testament in itself and can only be found on the most stellar debut ever by an artist - Mariah Carey. (Friday 1 December 2023; 21:00) this is a reply to message 104,314

Emotions formula (104,314) by Andrew from the UK ""Emotions" was also a near sophomore slump that just wasn't as strong as the first record, neither were the tunes even as memorable like the debut." I must differ, also. But go with me here, you may be surprised how this ends. "Emotions", the album, is superior to "Mariah Carey", its predecessor. The former has 80's-hangover style production, far less sophisticated lyrics, and basic tunes on half the record. The latter has the title track, Can't Let Go, Make It Happen, So Blessed and the majestic Till The End of Time - it is, in every aspect, superior. "Mariah Carey" had to have a great ballad shoe-horned onto the end of it to make it better. It is thus far the only MC album I have never owned. However, everything else in your post is *cough* spot on. The singing style, too-clever melodies and over-production is old hat. It makes it very difficult for songs to be sung in karaoke or in tribute. It is slightly frustrating that in tribute to Mariah she - and we - had to listen to Vision of Love and Love Takes Time. She has written over one hundred songs since then. But what successful ones can be reproduced? I think we all need and want to move past the pre-No.1's catalogue, right? Chest voice not head voice. Semi-tone keychange not octave keychange. Simple structure chord progression not complicated altered second verse with no middle eight chord progression. Meaningful Universal lyrics not Fritos kitchen window lyrics. On trend producers not, well, Jermaine Dupri. (Friday 1 December 2023; 17:17)

Mariah vs Brenda (104,315) by Edward from USA According to Talk of the Charts predictions, AIWFCIY will be number one next week, but judging by the numbers, RATCT might top it the week after. As I said, it's going to be an interesting journey for both songs. Maybe they'll alternate at the top, but Brenda would set a record almost impossible to break. Should she hit numbe one, RATCT would be the song with the longest time to get to the top spot, 65. She can have it though. Other than that, Brenda didn't write her song, so she doesn't make money from it really. We definitely need Mariah to dethrone Lil Nas. (Friday 1 December 2023; 18:28)

Emotions formula (104,314) by Andrew from the UK ""Emotions" was also a near sophomore slump that just wasn't as strong as the first record, neither were the tunes even as memorable like the debut." I must differ, also. But go with me here, you may be surprised how this ends. "Emotions", the album, is superior to "Mariah Carey", its predecessor. The former has 80's-hangover style production, far less sophisticated lyrics, and basic tunes on half the record. The latter has the title track, Can't Let Go, Make It Happen, So Blessed and the majestic Till The End of Time - it is, in every aspect, superior. "Mariah Carey" had to have a great ballad shoe-horned onto the end of it to make it better. It is thus far the only MC album I have never owned. However, everything else in your post is *cough* spot on. The singing style, too-clever melodies and over-production is old hat. It makes it very difficult for songs to be sung in karaoke or in tribute. It is slightly frustrating that in tribute to Mariah she - and we - had to listen to Vision of Love and Love Takes Time. She has written over one hundred songs since then. But what successful ones can be reproduced? I think we all need and want to move past the pre-No.1's catalogue, right? Chest voice not head voice. Semi-tone keychange not octave keychange. Simple structure chord progression not complicated altered second verse with no middle eight chord progression. Meaningful Universal lyrics not Fritos kitchen window lyrics. On trend producers not, well, Jermaine Dupri. (Friday 1 December 2023; 17:17) this is a reply to message 104,297

Emotions formula (104,297) by Terna from Nigeria I beg to differ, I don't need her trying to revisit an old formula, "Emotions" was also a near sophomore slump that just wasn't as strong as the first record, neither were the tunes even as memorable like the debut. Mariah is talented enough and creative enough to come up with something fresh, music genres out her comfort zone and especially working with newer producers who have their fingers on the current pulse of music and where it's going, for a fresh sound. Secondly her singing style is dated, too decorated she needs to tone down the girlie "curliecues" and sing straight, mainly with her chest voice, for balance and contrast, so that when she does falsett, it is a breath of fresh air (she did this with great pleasant effect in the late 90's), it just got over bearing from the Charmbracelet era, was too much and very off putting. Her vocal delivery has to be spot on for this new album. I do agree that she needs a return to adult contemporary ballads but sung in her range - "Through the Rain" suffered from this - a beautiful ballad, a very memorable melody but sung too high that the audience cannot sing along. (This is why Adele works so well.) Finally, a change of hair colour or return to her brunette curls - the former would be preferred. Get that tired blonde color retired at least for an era, it ages you 15 minutes. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 11:11)

Would you rather (104,313) by Bobby A from United States Maybe MC had him to sing in his chest voice to match her chest vocals on Yours. (Friday 1 December 2023; 15:50) this is a reply to message 104,312

Would you rather (104,312) by Zachariah from Croatia I might get hate for this but to me, Yours is not that good of a song that should be receiving so much attention. I mean, I really don't want to hear Justin's squeaky falsetto voice there as well. (Friday 1 December 2023; 13:18)

Would you rather (104,312) by Zachariah from Croatia I might get hate for this but to me, Yours is not that good of a song that should be receiving so much attention. I mean, I really don't want to hear Justin's squeaky falsetto voice there as well. (Friday 1 December 2023; 13:18) this is a reply to message 104,311

Would you rather (104,311) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, it may be only business. But I still believe he isn't the nice guy everyone thinks he is. I always liked the other Nysnc [sic] members more. Lol. One thing is sure Justin was always very clever in his entertainment business. I have a feeling that "Yours" won't be released soon. We'll see if Mariah surprises us. (Friday 1 December 2023; 10:43)

Would you rather (104,311) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, it may be only business. But I still believe he isn't the nice guy everyone thinks he is. I always liked the other Nysnc [sic] members more. Lol. One thing is sure Justin was always very clever in his entertainment business. I have a feeling that "Yours" won't be released soon. We'll see if Mariah surprises us. (Friday 1 December 2023; 10:43) this is a reply to message 104,304

Would you rather (104,304) by Edward from USA Why would Justin record a song with Mariah if he wasn't interested in getting it released? It doesn't make any sense. The song was [not] included on Charmbracelet simply because his label didn't want to. I think they were thinking business. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 17:24)

Would you rather (104,310) by Bobby A from United States We are going to hear Yours one day when a young new Universal Music Group executive is searching through MC's vault curious about her Island Def Jam years. I wonder if we could start a Yours campaign to get heard sooner. My Rarities II X campaign has gotten me 107 extra followers since August. (Friday 1 December 2023; 00:53) this is a reply to message 104,300

Would you rather (104,300) by MusicfanJ from Germany There was a documentary about the nipplegate with Janet Jackson. And Justin didn't go well on the docu. That "Yours" with him as a duet wasn't released because he feared about his "good name" and career says it all. He's the real slim shady. Lol. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 14:16)

Stream (104,309) by Bobby A from United States Rockin Around The Christmas Tree and Last Christmas just got a bunch new streams since NBC's Rockefeller Christmas special last night. These two songs will be #2 and #3 next week with MC. Stream heavy this weekend because they may overtake MC's top spot before January. I love the streaming battle that is happening this year just for the fun of it. Can someone post a Talk of the Charts update today or tomorrow? (Thursday 30 November 2023; 21:59) this is a reply to message 104,293

Stream (104,293) by Tameka walker from United states Let's stream [AIWFCIY] and get it to number one. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 02:09)

Would you rather (104,308) by Edward from USA I haven't ever heard "Fairy Tale of New York'" on the radio or seen it on the charts here. It is definitely not a threat to AIWFCIY. Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree is definitely a threat now that they threw a red blanket and a blonde wig on Brenda Lee and made a video for RATCT. I would love to see "Last Christmas" become a number one once Mariah has taken back her record for the longest running number one song. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 21:57) this is a reply to message 104,306

Would you rather (104,306) by Andrew from the UK That's very kind of you. She's doing well. It's not her time. I've told her she will know when her time comes because she will see me standing over her with a pillow. She's driving me bloody crazy. Perhaps pm the subject matter and to loop back around to Mariah: Shane MacGowan of The Pogues has died. "Fairytale of New York" is a supermassive Christmas (especially Christmas Eve) song in the UK and Ireland. I think it's a given now that this will be the Christmas No.1 here with Mariah at No.2, hopefully. Is "Fairytale of New York" a popular Christmas song in the United States? Does it pose a threat to Mariah there? It's truly brilliant (despite its use of the word "faggot" which should really be taken in context along with a chill pill or two). I do hope The Pogues get the UK Christmas No.1. And that Shane MacGowan rests in peace. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 18:47)

Emotions formula (104,307) by Bobby A from United States Great reflection post, Terna. I was just thinking she could revisit the Emotions album with her current voice without all of the vocal acrobatics that made us know that MC had a 5-octave range. I have always thought since its release, Spell My Name was Toni Braxton revisiting her sophomore album, Secrets. So, it worked for Toni. Maybe it could work for MC. I know she has something special coming to the Lambs in 2024. I just don't want 5 songs written with Daniel Moore. I like him as a musician, but not him writing 5 songs with MC that sound like Portrait. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 21:50) this is a reply to message 104,297

Emotions formula (104,297) by Terna from Nigeria I beg to differ, I don't need her trying to revisit an old formula, "Emotions" was also a near sophomore slump that just wasn't as strong as the first record, neither were the tunes even as memorable like the debut. Mariah is talented enough and creative enough to come up with something fresh, music genres out her comfort zone and especially working with newer producers who have their fingers on the current pulse of music and where it's going, for a fresh sound. Secondly her singing style is dated, too decorated she needs to tone down the girlie "curliecues" and sing straight, mainly with her chest voice, for balance and contrast, so that when she does falsett, it is a breath of fresh air (she did this with great pleasant effect in the late 90's), it just got over bearing from the Charmbracelet era, was too much and very off putting. Her vocal delivery has to be spot on for this new album. I do agree that she needs a return to adult contemporary ballads but sung in her range - "Through the Rain" suffered from this - a beautiful ballad, a very memorable melody but sung too high that the audience cannot sing along. (This is why Adele works so well.) Finally, a change of hair colour or return to her brunette curls - the former would be preferred. Get that tired blonde color retired at least for an era, it ages you 15 minutes. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 11:11)

Would you rather (104,306) by Andrew from the UK That's very kind of you. She's doing well. It's not her time. I've told her she will know when her time comes because she will see me standing over her with a pillow. She's driving me bloody crazy. Perhaps pm the subject matter and to loop back around to Mariah: Shane MacGowan of The Pogues has died. "Fairytale of New York" is a supermassive Christmas (especially Christmas Eve) song in the UK and Ireland. I think it's a given now that this will be the Christmas No.1 here with Mariah at No.2, hopefully. Is "Fairytale of New York" a popular Christmas song in the United States? Does it pose a threat to Mariah there? It's truly brilliant (despite its use of the word "faggot" which should really be taken in context along with a chill pill or two). I do hope The Pogues get the UK Christmas No.1. And that Shane MacGowan rests in peace. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 18:47) this is a reply to message 104,303

Would you rather (104,303) by Edward from USA So sorry to hear that about your Mom, Andrew. I hope she's getting better. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 17:08)

Would you rather (104,305) by Andrew from the UK Crikey. Justin Timberlake was arguably the biggest artist in the world, at the time. Not wanting to match him with an artist who was "past her prime", so to speak, was an obvious and wise business decision by whoever in his label made it (disappointing for us, though it was). But you win some and lose some. And she did win again. Big time. Turns out Mariah didn't need him, after all. What is it the Americans say? "No harm - no foul"? I would be very surprised if she called him a "lowlife". Whilst well-thought-out your comments have always been, that was not one of them. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 17:25) this is a reply to message 104,294

Would you rather (104,294) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I would also like to add Mariah to that list. His team allegedly didn't let his feature on "Yours" not to be released due to the fact that Mariah was going through a bad time in her career. He then tried to hit her up when she came back like a Phoenix with Mimi. So I'm on the boat of not caring about his version to be released simply because we don't need a fair weather friend. (Side note he was recently caught getting handsy with his co-actor and had to publicly apologise to his wife. That guy is through and through a low life.) (Thursday 30 November 2023; 02:39)

Would you rather (104,304) by Edward from USA Why would Justin record a song with Mariah if he wasn't interested in getting it released? It doesn't make any sense. The song was [not] included on Charmbracelet simply because his label didn't want to. I think they were thinking business. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 17:24) this is a reply to message 104,300

Would you rather (104,300) by MusicfanJ from Germany There was a documentary about the nipplegate with Janet Jackson. And Justin didn't go well on the docu. That "Yours" with him as a duet wasn't released because he feared about his "good name" and career says it all. He's the real slim shady. Lol. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 14:16)

Would you rather (104,303) by Edward from USA So sorry to hear that about your Mom, Andrew. I hope she's getting better. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 17:08) this is a reply to message 104,302

Would you rather (104,302) by Andrew from the UK I agree with your sentiments: Immortality is a masterpiece and so dear to me. I left it on my mother's pillow when I left for University. She recently had a stroke and I played it on repeat between receiving the news and reaching her. The melody itself and the words "we don't say goodbye" are comforting in those terrifying moments when you think you might finally have to. Unfortunately the album Immortality was on had a lot of filler and was way too heavy on the schmaltz. Without "My Heart Will Go On" I don't think it would have sold half as well as it did. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 16:42)

Would you rather (104,302) by Andrew from the UK I agree with your sentiments: Immortality is a masterpiece and so dear to me. I left it on my mother's pillow when I left for University. She recently had a stroke and I played it on repeat between receiving the news and reaching her. The melody itself and the words "we don't say goodbye" are comforting in those terrifying moments when you think you might finally have to. Unfortunately the album Immortality was on had a lot of filler and was way too heavy on the schmaltz. Without "My Heart Will Go On" I don't think it would have sold half as well as it did. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 16:42) this is a reply to message 104,288

Would you rather (104,288) by Edward from USA What a coincidence, streamed a couple of documentaries on The Bee Gees last week. I didn't know Celine's Immortality, a very special song to me, had originally been written and sung by them. Andy stated they thought Immortality was the best song they had ever written. Sadly, Mariah lost confidence in her solo pen game a long time ago. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 00:35)

Would you rather (104,301) by Andrew from the UK So Mariah should not record a song with Justin Timberlake because of two actions two decades ago? The outcry over the breast exposure at the SuperBowl was an overreaction from a very conservative section of what was at the time (and possibly still is) a very conservative country. That Justin Timberlake didn't want his career to die on that particular hill is hardly surprising, nor unforgivable. Further, the lows of his consensual private relationships are not in the public interest. "Someone-in-their-twenties-twenty-years-ago-dumped-someone-for-someone-else Shocker" is hardly cause for cancellation. Or at least it ought not to be. But the lunatics appear to have taken over the asylum. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 16:24) this is a reply to message 104,289

Would you rather (104,289) by Edward from USA I think she's talking about Janet's nipple exposure at the Super Bowl and now Britney's revelation about her having an abortion when they were dating. I would like to hear the song though. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 00:40)

Would you rather (104,300) by MusicfanJ from Germany There was a documentary about the nipplegate with Janet Jackson. And Justin didn't go well on the docu. That "Yours" with him as a duet wasn't released because he feared about his "good name" and career says it all. He's the real slim shady. Lol. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 14:16) this is a reply to message 104,287

Would you rather (104,287) by Jamie from UK Unlike Britney who also did the dirty on him with Wade Robson. I like Justin and I like Britney. I don't care what they get up to in their personal lives. No one is perfect. (Wednesday 29 November 2023; 23:37)

Would you rather (104,299) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, I can't stand Justin Timberlake. He always played the nice guy, but he really seems like a bad snake. So "Yours" without him is fine. "There for me" is a beautiful song. Should have been a bonus track on Glitter. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 14:02) this is a reply to message 104,282

Would you rather (104,282) by Libra Lamb from USA I agree with most of these tracks except I don't care to hear Justin Timberlake or want Mariah associating with him. He's a snake and has done some shady ish towards women. I can't stand people like him, a true culture vulture. There For Me has always been one of my favorites and I include it in my Glitter soundtrack playlist. (Wednesday 29 November 2023; 22:29)

Quality non-album tracks (104,298) by Edward from USA It is. Here on this board it's Randy's Theme. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 12:50) this is a reply to message 104,296

Quality non-album tracks (104,296) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Isn't Randy's "Right to dream"? (Thursday 30 November 2023; 05:11)

Emotions formula (104,297) by Terna from Nigeria I beg to differ, I don't need her trying to revisit an old formula, "Emotions" was also a near sophomore slump that just wasn't as strong as the first record, neither were the tunes even as memorable like the debut. Mariah is talented enough and creative enough to come up with something fresh, music genres out her comfort zone and especially working with newer producers who have their fingers on the current pulse of music and where it's going, for a fresh sound. Secondly her singing style is dated, too decorated she needs to tone down the girlie "curliecues" and sing straight, mainly with her chest voice, for balance and contrast, so that when she does falsett, it is a breath of fresh air (she did this with great pleasant effect in the late 90's), it just got over bearing from the Charmbracelet era, was too much and very off putting. Her vocal delivery has to be spot on for this new album. I do agree that she needs a return to adult contemporary ballads but sung in her range - "Through the Rain" suffered from this - a beautiful ballad, a very memorable melody but sung too high that the audience cannot sing along. (This is why Adele works so well.) Finally, a change of hair colour or return to her brunette curls - the former would be preferred. Get that tired blonde color retired at least for an era, it ages you 15 minutes. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 11:11) this is a reply to message 104,291

Emotions formula (104,291) by Bobby A from United States We need another album of Hot AC and R&B ballads, Carole King type of ballads, inspirational bops and a 70s R&B female group sample. That was Emotions. We need another Emotions album. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 00:55)

Quality non-album tracks (104,296) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Isn't Randy's "Right to dream"? (Thursday 30 November 2023; 05:11) this is a reply to message 104,278

Quality non-album tracks (104,278) by Edward from USA Randy's Theme, Help Me Make It and Almost Home are three quality singles that should definitely be on The Rarities 2. (Wednesday 29 November 2023; 19:58)

Would you rather (104,295) by Tevin from USA I love There For Me. (Thursday 30 November 2023; 04:15) this is a reply to message 104,282

Would you rather (104,282) by Libra Lamb from USA I agree with most of these tracks except I don't care to hear Justin Timberlake or want Mariah associating with him. He's a snake and has done some shady ish towards women. I can't stand people like him, a true culture vulture. There For Me has always been one of my favorites and I include it in my Glitter soundtrack playlist. (Wednesday 29 November 2023; 22:29)

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