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MB30 - reflections (103,546) by Dennis from Miami, FL I'm more "satisfied" with MB30 release than with Butterfly 25. I don't know why. Probably, it's the nostalgia. Or I like her Music Box voice more. I really wish she had released "full voice" version of 4th of July. I've heard snippets on YouTube and I really would love to hear all the takes. Other than that I'm more than happy with whatever comes my way. Wishing all of you the best best "mi arma". Lots of love from the other side. (Thursday 21 September 2023; 16:56) this is a reply to message 103,478

MB30 - reflections (103,478) by Bill from the UK Now some time has passed, here are my thoughts. Disc 1: I've always loved the album, and never understood the group of fans that dismissed it. It's beautifully sung, expertly recorded, it showed more nuances to her voice than before, and her "pen game" as you kids call it these days for some reason, was superb. A 23 year-old writing Anytime You Need a Friend, Never Forget You, Hero, Dreamlover, Everything Fades Away? Wow. Speaking of Everything Fades Away, it was pleasing Mariah included this on the 'original' album. I know over the years each side of the pond has stated their case for the better finish to the album. Perhaps we can agree that All I've Ever Wanted is a gorgeous finale and send off, whereas Everything Fades Away is the hauntingly beautiful epilogue? Looking at this site's discography, more versions of the album included it than didn't, and it seems like Mariah herself views it as the true ending to the album. Disc 2: Okay wow. It's strange how on The Rarities, All I Live For was just, there. It was a pleasant little bop, but I was like "yeah, I get why it was left off." How is the extended version like a thousand times better? Honestly it elevates the song to a whole new level, and her vocals are astonishing. Great to see Luther added, as I always viewed Endless Love as part of the Music Box era, and was surprised the album never got re-issued to include it after it did so well. Workin' Hard and My Prayer I can't keep away from. I adore them. I am so sad they were locked up in the vault for 30 years, but look at them now having their day in the sun. The TOTP performances and remixes I am happy with, especially as the two full-length 10-minute epic and iconic club mixes were included. The only small hang up I have is with Hero (2009 Version). Firstly, it was recorded in 2008, so let's get that out the way. Second, I think I would have preferred the Spanish version to be included as it was 'of the time', whereas this was a good stretch afterwards, so it feels somewhat out of place. Everything else is from the period (save the two new mixes). I detested the re-recording when it came out to promote The Ballads, but as I have mellowed I see it was what it was. It's fine now, I'm at peace with it, but yeh. It's the only point where I pause briefly. Disc 3: We all love Proctor's Theatre don't we. What a concert. For many of us, the first one we saw. I also had two worn out VHS in my time, and then switched to the DVD when that was issued. It is my go-to 'comfort' concert. Whenever I've had a bad day and I need lifting up, or I'm perturbed by the world and all what's going on, I watch it. It takes me back to childhood, the wonder that was early Mariah, the nostalgia I wallow in, the happy memories it invokes. Like a few of you, every move, hand gesture, giggle, is committed to memory. Having it on audio is so, so good. General: Again, I never had an issue with the original cover. It was a bit botched on the cassette version as she was half a head, but the CD always looked beautiful. It gave a Marilyn Monroe vibe, and had a certain simplicity to it. The uncropped version is equally as nice though. If anyone's gone into panic mode over the physical release having a big border around the original cover, this is a slip case that will reveal the uncropped cover beneath it. But thank you Mariah, for everything. 10/10. (Thursday 14 September 2023; 10:08)

Article: Why Mariah Carey matters (103,545) by Andrew from the UK What an absolute mess of an article. I thought Michael Dyson was the master of lumping a dozen clever sounding words together to sound intellectual whilst tinting the sentiment with post-modern intersectional politics and dusting with tropes conjured recently in the halls of academia. But this queer takes the win. Let me sum it up: Mariah wrote songs about feeling lonely and ostracised whilst young for having an immutable characteristic. Gay people at that age feel ostracised whilst young for having an immutable charactistic. Ergo: Mariah was important to gay people back then and so is loved by them still. What a pretentious queer. Further, I dare say my above use of the word "queer" above probably made most people here feel a little uncomfortable. But, hey, if the movement is saying it's a so-called reclaimed word and we just have to accept it, then I will call people who use that disgusting word to reference other people (for whom it was a painful pejorative) that exact word. (Thursday 21 September 2023; 02:38)

Hip Hop 50 September 15th (103,544) by The Real Deal from USA My friend attended and said that she never showed up and that Mary J. Blige did a bulk of the hosting, in addition to performing. (Wednesday 20 September 2023; 23:09) this is a reply to message 103,543

Hip Hop 50 September 15th (103,543) by Victor from Costa Rica Guys do you know what happened with this event? Wasn't supposed Mariah was one of the hosts? (Wednesday 20 September 2023; 19:47)

Hip Hop 50 September 15th (103,543) by Victor from Costa Rica Guys do you know what happened with this event? Wasn't supposed Mariah was one of the hosts? (Wednesday 20 September 2023; 19:47)

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,542) by Andrew from the UK Smaller ones? After we she paid for those puppies? Get real, Eddie. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 14:35) this is a reply to message 103,541

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,541) by Edward from USA Mariah suffers from imposed torticollis since 2008. As for #dem-tits, that's the effect of the push-up bras. She should get smaller ones. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 13:57)

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,541) by Edward from USA Mariah suffers from imposed torticollis since 2008. As for #dem-tits, that's the effect of the push-up bras. She should get smaller ones. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 13:57) this is a reply to message 103,540

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,540) by Andrew from the UK It is great to see Mariah looking thinner and healthier. Perhaps if she loses a bit more weight we will also see her head return to its normal angle on her neck. It is also great to see how much DemKids love DemKittens. And great that Mariah has finally started to put away DemTits. Gay or straight I think everyone can agree they've seen enough of them. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 09:26)

Article: Mariah introduces 2 "new adopted family members" (103,540) by Andrew from the UK It is great to see Mariah looking thinner and healthier. Perhaps if she loses a bit more weight we will also see her head return to its normal angle on her neck. It is also great to see how much DemKids love DemKittens. And great that Mariah has finally started to put away DemTits. Gay or straight I think everyone can agree they've seen enough of them. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 09:26)

Fandom base (103,539) by Andrew from the UK What bearing does sexual orientation (or "where people put their penis") and intersectionality have on anything? Why does it matter where the males that like Mariah Carey's music put their penis? I have known gay people that do not like her music. I have known straight people that do. I have never felt the need to discuss Mariah Carey and where they put their penis in any conversation. In the same respect, if you have ever known people who star in musical theatre you will routinely find that round half of them are straight and constantly get targetted and belittled for their work - by people who think it appropriate to discuss their sexuality and the associations. Who should be the least offended in these circumstances? The straight persons for being singled out for liking something "not macho"? Or the gay person for hearing that the preference itself is not macho and therefore assigned only to gay people by third parties? I think both parties have an equal claim to outrage. In regards to this board, I could not care less where the men on it put their penises nor where the women and intersex persons on it do with their own genitalia. To paraphrase a Stonewall slogan: "Most people are straight - get over it." (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 08:02) this is a reply to message 103,529

Fandom base (103,529) by Victor from Costa Rica Mariah is a gay icon, and a role model for women. But, does Mariah have straight male fans? All the fans I know are gays or females. (Monday 18 September 2023; 23:46)

New album 2024 (103,538) by Bobby A from United States Just type in Mariah's new album in the search bar and the post will come up. The comments from fans immediately put TEOM II in my mind. This dry era period reminds me of that uncertainty after CB failed on the charts and we were all waiting on MC to take us there again. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 06:41) this is a reply to message 103,535

New album 2024 (103,535) by Stacey from USA What Facebook post are you referring to? Where did you see this post? (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 02:04)

Fandom base (103,537) by Bobby A from United States Shhh, here is my thumbs up. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 06:34) this is a reply to message 103,534

Fandom base (103,534) by Edward from USA Some will start thumb-lying to you. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 01:22)

DemKittens (103,536) by Stacey from USA They can't be any harder to handle than a jack Russell terrier, lol. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 02:05) this is a reply to message 103,531

DemKittens (103,531) by Brad from USA Surprised to "meet" the new kittens, but joyed to see it too. I adopted an orange cat last fall and love him to bits. That said, they are a handful at times. May be fun to hear of the antics her new cats put her through. (Monday 18 September 2023; 23:58)

New album 2024 (103,535) by Stacey from USA What Facebook post are you referring to? Where did you see this post? (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 02:04) this is a reply to message 103,533

New album 2024 (103,533) by Bobby A from United States I just hope she has lots of surprises for us. I am getting TEOM II vibes from the Facebook post. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 00:44)

Fandom base (103,534) by Edward from USA Some will start thumb-lying to you. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 01:22) this is a reply to message 103,532

Fandom base (103,532) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I'm a male and straight. Give this message a thumb up if you're also a male and straight. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 00:40)

New album 2024 (103,533) by Bobby A from United States I just hope she has lots of surprises for us. I am getting TEOM II vibes from the Facebook post. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 00:44) this is a reply to message 103,530

New album 2024 (103,530) by Victor from Costa Rica I read the same thing in Facebook today. I expect an album with spectacular vocals, modern sound (maybe pop/rock) and easy lyrics to sing along. (Monday 18 September 2023; 23:48)

Fandom base (103,532) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I'm a male and straight. Give this message a thumb up if you're also a male and straight. (Tuesday 19 September 2023; 00:40) this is a reply to message 103,529

Fandom base (103,529) by Victor from Costa Rica Mariah is a gay icon, and a role model for women. But, does Mariah have straight male fans? All the fans I know are gays or females. (Monday 18 September 2023; 23:46)

DemKittens (103,531) by Brad from USA Surprised to "meet" the new kittens, but joyed to see it too. I adopted an orange cat last fall and love him to bits. That said, they are a handful at times. May be fun to hear of the antics her new cats put her through. (Monday 18 September 2023; 23:58)

New album 2024 (103,530) by Victor from Costa Rica I read the same thing in Facebook today. I expect an album with spectacular vocals, modern sound (maybe pop/rock) and easy lyrics to sing along. (Monday 18 September 2023; 23:48) this is a reply to message 103,528

New album 2024 (103,528) by Jamie from UK There's lots of rumours circulating that Mariah's next album is due to be dropped in 2024. She's looking great at the moment so let's hope this momentum stays untl its release (Monday 18 September 2023; 13:05)

Fandom base (103,529) by Victor from Costa Rica Mariah is a gay icon, and a role model for women. But, does Mariah have straight male fans? All the fans I know are gays or females. (Monday 18 September 2023; 23:46)

New album 2024 (103,528) by Jamie from UK There's lots of rumours circulating that Mariah's next album is due to be dropped in 2024. She's looking great at the moment so let's hope this momentum stays untl its release (Monday 18 September 2023; 13:05)

#DemKittens (103,527) by MusicfanJ from Germany How sweet. Such a lovely pic. I'm crazy about cats too, I have a catboy. Yes, ginger cats are so cute. Mariah's kids look so happy with the new family members. I have to repeat, beautiful pic. (Monday 18 September 2023; 10:23) this is a reply to message 103,525

#DemKittens (103,525) by Stacey from USA I'm a crazy cat lady and I especially love ginger cats. Glad to see two cute felines find a home. Watch out, Jack, lol. (Monday 18 September 2023; 01:10)

Your top 5 pick of career defining moments (103,526) by Bobby A from United States 1. Love Takes Time made it onto debut album because Tommy said it was too good to be saved for Emotions. 2. MTV Unplugged showed that Mariah was more than a studio singer. 3. One Sweet Day spends 16 weeks at number #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 which had never been done before. 4. We Belong Together saved TEOM. 5. I Want To Know Was Love Is becomes a surprise hit in Brazil when it spends 25 weeks at number #1. (Monday 18 September 2023; 08:07)

#DemKittens (103,525) by Stacey from USA I'm a crazy cat lady and I especially love ginger cats. Glad to see two cute felines find a home. Watch out, Jack, lol. (Monday 18 September 2023; 01:10)

Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,524) by Bobby A from United States (Sunday 17 September 2023; 09:44) this is a reply to message 103,519

Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,519) by Andrew from the UK Do not pity yourself: pity the blind and stupid for not noticing your greatest. You are as a part of space and time as any atom at any point in the stretch of the knowable Universe. Nothing - and nobody - takes precedence over you in any objective moral reasoning. No atoms are more or less entitled to existence than the billions of which you are made. You are the perfect version of you surrounded, merely, by imperfect interpretations of you. We are all made of stars. And we all shit. Dry your eyes, Bobby-A. Or I don't even know you. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:48)

Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,523) by Stacey from USA As much as I love Daydream, I agree Butterfly was her transformative signature album. It's just ironic that MB 30 is getting a bigger spotlight than Butterfly 25. I don't think MB being 5 years older makes any difference. Butterfly is her album, the album she was so close to. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 04:42) this is a reply to message 103,514

Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,514) by Randy from USA While everyone is celebrating Music Box and incorrectly calling Daydream MC's artistic zenith, I'd like to interject and celebrate the real magnum opus, Butterfly, which turns 26 today. On this day, 26 years ago I unwrapped the cellophane off of this CD in my fathers basement and popped it in the disc changer. I never before heard an album where every song is a single. Every verse reads like poetry. And every vocal is astounding. Rasp, falsetto, belting and whistles are all used here. My biggest issue with R&B music is artists always sing about romantic love or break ups. This Pop/R&B album includes songs about childhood pain and alienation. It is in one word stunning. Happy anniversary to Mariah's favorite. And the best album of all time. From any artist. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 00:50)

MB30 - reflections (103,522) by BFF from United States I always thought the Butterfly and Rainbow tour performances of "Without You" were live, but maybe I was wrong on those? The TOTP Christmas performance is a little suspect watching it again today. And, Randy, I agree that Butterfly is her best album. But I think Music Box has been unfairly maligned by fans and critics alike. I cannot imagine Mariah Carey existing without songs like "Anytime You Need a Friend", "Dreamlover", and "Hero" and her cover of "Without You". (Sunday 17 September 2023; 04:05) this is a reply to message 103,518

MB30 - reflections (103,518) by Bill from the UK The pre-records for Without You actually began in 1994 for the Christmas TOTP performance. Then again at MSG in 1895, the Tokyo Dome dates of the Daydream tour in 1996, and then from Butterfly tour onwards. (Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:22)

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