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Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,558) by Sasha from Nomansland Mariah said they both reaped professional benefits from this marriage. There's no doubt that she used to be a great singer with astonished voice abilities but she's not the only one. There are plenty talented people on this earth but she happened to be at the right place and right time with the right people. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 14:06)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,557) by T from USA The real question is if Tommy [was] black would she have felt the need to break away so badly? Would she still be giving him his props the way she does to the predatory LA Reid? (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 13:47)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,556) by Korey2 from United Stated I highly recommend Tommy’s memoir as a read as well. I agree with a lot of what you said. Imagine not having all those albums you listed. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 01:50)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,555) by RibbonB from USA This topic has been discussed ad nauseam on this board. I wonder why it's so easily forgotten. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 01:26)

Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I'm not a big user of instagram, but lately I have started to follow a few of the Mariah fanprofiles. Sometimes there is a picture of Mariah and Tommy together, and the comments are almost vicious consedring Tommy. It seems like most Mariah fans think of him as a monster, like a modern Beauty and the Beast tale. I know Mariah might have suffered some psychological trauma because of that marriage, but I have also always thought of it as a bit of an exaggeration, you know, people have experienced real trauma without having the possibility to write music, express themselves, perform and earning a sh*t loads of money. I don't downplay Mariah's own experience, but face it, she was still privileged. I wonder what had happened to Mariah's career if she wasn't supervised or controlled by Tommy. Would she have started wearing skimpy clothes from the beginning? Would she have partied and not taken care of her voice early on, and maybe her vocal decline would have started after her very first record? Would there have ever been the masterpiece that we all consider the Tokyo Dome concerts to be? I'm conflicted when it comes to Tommy. I believe Mariah felt hostage, and that is not forgivable. But would Mariah have had the high points in her career without Tommy? In many ways I'm grateful that Tommy had such a firm hand on her career, because if he hadn't, I don't think there would have been any Music Box, Merry Christmas, Daydream or even Butterfly, all albums every Mariah fans think is her golden age of her career. I don't think Mariah would have been the superstar and legend she is today without him. I can't remember if this has been a topic on this site many times or not, just wanted to share my thoughts while I'm watching old school Mariah performances from the early 90's. (Monday 8 March 2021; 18:09)

What stifles Mariah's future collaborations (97,553) by John from USA I like the idea of Mariah working with singer/songwriters like Bruno Mars, who still make music that is not only sounds fresh and current but also has a sort of timeless familiarity to it. I've been hoping there is a secret Mariah guesting in upcoming Silk Sonic album, but that might be a longshot. I also wish for Maxwell to rework the arrangement and lyrics to his "Pretty Wings" song to add the perspective of the woman he was talking to. Of course, Mariah is the one with the pretty wings. They can falsetto and melisma to their hearts in the song, and I could just imaging her whistles tastefully placed as if they were gentle flapping wings sprinkled through the song. Daley is an R&B singer whose vocal stylings clearly reflect a Mariah influence. His duet with Marsha Ambrosius ("Alone Together") is an R&B jam that Mariah could have sung majestically in her "prime". What stifles Mariah's future collaborations though is her insistence on working on her own with just her vocal engineer. There's something magical that can occur when artists craft music together in real time and work off of each other's energy and creative faculties. That is probably part of the reason why #Beautiful felt so incomplete and unfinished - potential not fully realized in my opinion. I know Mariah has become increasingly insecure about her "vocal gifts", but I hope she can shake this off, for the sake of making great music once again. (Sunday 7 March 2021; 17:48)

Re: Bruno Mars' Leave Door Open (97,551) (97,552) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines And it's crazy how rare it is these days to actually have a single with a 4-minute runtime when most artists and record companies in the last 2 years have been hell bent on keeping things shorter than 3 minutes to do better on streaming platforms. I don't care if Bruno built and maintains his career mostly on pastiches. As long as they're grade A+, lovingly executed throwbacks, that's still miles ahead of the half-baked, half-assed stuff that fills a great chunk of the charts today. (Sunday 7 March 2021; 16:52)

Re: Bruno Mars' Leave Door Open (97,550) (97,551) by MusicfanJ from Germany It's nice to listen to. I always like smooth soul with real instruments. Compared to all the trash and the same sounding songs on the charts it's really nice to have one song which has a melody and a band behind it. (Sunday 7 March 2021; 12:40)

Re: Bruno Mars' Leave Door Open (97,549) (97,550) by Will from Australia First song in a whole tray on first listen I was like "wow". (Sunday 7 March 2021; 07:58)

Bruno Mars' Leave Door Open (97,549) by Robert-Anthony from United States If MC doesn't call Bruno Mars up this year for some collaboration sessions, then she would be missing out on this man's impressive songwriting skills. This song is what I need right now. (Saturday 6 March 2021; 15:50)

Mariah on Oprah 1997 (97,548) by Chicago Lamb from USA She performs Hero and Butterfly. Also discusses separation from Tommy, living at Sing Sing, relationship with her mother, Patricia. Good and early reference to some material from TMOMC. (Saturday 6 March 2021; 01:12)

Leave The Door Open (97,547) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines This is all kinds of awesome. When people hear the term "70's music", most automatically think "disco", forgetting the smooth and velvety soul of that era. This collaboration between Bruno Mars and Anderson .Paak is the best homage to 70's soul I have heard in a long time, and further solidifies why aside from The Weeknd, Bruno is the only other man in current pop worth acknowledging. People are sleeping on .Paak as well. This sets the bar quite high for quarantine projects - melodic, nostalgic and very effective for what it sets out to achieve. And it's not produced by The Smeezingtons. (Friday 5 March 2021; 17:20)

Foo Fighters (97,546) by Mara from United States I don't know if anyone saw James Cordon with the Foo Fighters being interviewed. James was interviewing the band and said to Pat Smear that he didn't know they had something in common. Pat said his favorite person to listen to is Mariah Carey and his favorite album is Butterfly all the way. Made me think how cool it would be to have Mariah do something with them for her Chick album if it sees the light of day. I still am praying we get to hear it, especially with her vocals on lead. Hearing them talk about Mariah and thinking how she recorded the Alternative album around the height of Nirvana makes it a collaboration made in heaven. Not to mention Dave Grohl. (Friday 5 March 2021; 04:04)

Re: Top 5 best album openers (97,510) (97,545) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Honorable mention: Betcha Gon Know - for the intriguing, vivid, angry narrative. 5. Migrate - The first second already announces it as a Mariah track. 4. Heartbreaker - The quintessential upbeat sad song. 3. It's Like That - The first line says it all. 2. Honey - Nothing like orgasmic cooing to open a slinky track. 1. Fantasy - Just the perfect start to an album entitled Daydream. (Thursday 4 March 2021; 12:39)

Re: Cover (97,540) (97,544) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines You Rock My World is the only upbeat track on that album that successfully approximates the contemporary soul sound of his past hits and was the perfect MJ sound for the 2000s compared to the other herky jerky and frantic Darkchild productions. (Thursday 4 March 2021; 12:27)

Re: Languishing (97,530) (97,543) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Regarding interludes - while I enjoy recorded studio chat as it does lend a sense of intimacy to the record, sometimes it can sound lazy and unnecessary, like those Janet had in her All For You album. (Thursday 4 March 2021; 12:20)

Def Jam vinyls (97,542) by Robert-Anthony from United States I wonder why the Def Jam colored vinyls are no longer available on MC's website. I bought all of the Def Jam vinyls again from this local vinyl store in Alpharetta, Georgia because the colored vinyls don't have as great of sound as the standard black vinyls. So if you are looking to purchase the Def Jam vinyls called up your local record shop. (Thursday 4 March 2021; 01:38)

Article: Mariah's brother hits her with defamation suit for memoir (97,541) by RibbonB from USA Wow Morgan and Allison are hilarious. They defamed her for years with reckless abandon and have the nerve to continue with their extortion attempts. I hope they get big fat zero each. It's more than either e deserves. (Thursday 4 March 2021; 00:41)

Re: Cover (97,536) (97,540) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I'm ashamed that I didn't mention "Butterflies". I love that song. My favourite track from "Invincible" is "You Rock my World". I miss MJ so much. A collaboration between MJ and MC would have been a dream come true. I know there were rumours he did background vocals for her on an unreleased song. But I would want a full on collaboration. Alas it's too late. (Wednesday 3 March 2021; 19:37)

Re: Top 5 best album openers (97,527) (97,539) by Nicole from US 1. Honey (shocker super sexy) 2. It's Like That 3. Heartbreaker 4. Obsessed 5. Touch My Body (Wednesday 3 March 2021; 18:46)

Re: Cover (97,536) (97,538) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa Agreed. I'm listening to Invincible right now. (Wednesday 3 March 2021; 18:20)

Re: Top 5 best album openers (97,517) (97,537) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines The sequencing of MIAM is the most random-sounding in her discography, but it still does play like a pre-divorce record for the most part, and Cry. being the opener was probably just Mariah subtly letting us know what's up at the time. The most intentionally selected songs on a tracklist are usually the opening and closing 3 songs. (Wednesday 3 March 2021; 16:39)

Re: Cover (97,533) (97,536) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines The mit-tempo trifecta of Heaven Can Wait, Break Of Dawn and Butterflies (along with You Rock My World) are my favorites from Invincible. (Wednesday 3 March 2021; 16:30)

Re: Top 5 best album openers (97,510) (97,535) by Libra Lamb from USA 1. Fantasy 2. Honey 3. Heartbreaker 4. Loverboy 5. Dreamlover (Wednesday 3 March 2021; 15:24)

Re: Languishing (97,519) (97,534) by Mara from United States Andrew it's so funny you brought up the Oprah interview in 99 with Pat. When Pat speaks like a protective mother over her children, you can see Mariah's face as you said just like a child who just needs a hug from her mother, and just looked so different listening to her mom talk like she was being protective. Being 25% Irish myself, I had an Irish grandmother and aunt who were not overly affectionate and they could came off as cold, very much like Pat. Not saying everyone Irish is. I was literally going to post about that along with her Thanksgiving special on NBC where Pat and Mariah were on the steps and Pat was talking about Mariah and her voice. Even though Mariah was still quite young here, you can clearly see that when Pat speaks like a mother speaks about their child, Mariah transforms into this child who really looks like she is enjoying this validation that her mother does care about her. Everytime Pat is interviewed in front of Mariah, you can see how she becomes this vulnerable little girl. She really does look like she just craves that love from her mother. I do hope they can resolve some things before it's too late. Languishing could still be about Pat despite her singing on the second Christmas album and being around her, whatnot. It may have been a constant struggle for Mariah and it seems it truly was. (Wednesday 3 March 2021; 06:27)

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