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Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,817) by Lee from USA About time someone gave us some first person insight into her performances instead of critiques of cell phone clips. These critics are talking about a "charade" but it would mean that the audience at the concert, her inner circle, and the media must in cahoots with her to make her look good. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 16:40) this is a reply to message 101,809

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,809) by SM from Citizen of the World Amen. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 11:57)

Toronto shows (101,816) by Terna from Nigeria Oh dear, haha. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 16:29) this is a reply to message 101,811

Toronto shows (101,811) by Shae_anne from Brazil [Webmaster: This message was completely censored, because of the many insults.] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:43)

Toronto shows (101,815) by Bill from the UK The thing you're missing, is that someone has to say something, and we older fans do because we have followed her career with love and devotion since the beginning. No one in her camp is telling her to lay off the alcohol and weed, as it is crippling her voice and legacy. Not Bryan, not Trey, not Mary Ann. Why stop their paycheck? But any friend that loved and cared about her would see the self sabotage and do something about it. But, carry on shouting "yas queen" until she goes the way of Whitney. It will be on your head when that happens, for enabling and supporting and cheering on her demise. None of us are enjoying coming here to say this, but we love her too much to stand by and watch it unfold in front of our eyes. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 15:31) this is a reply to message 101,810

Toronto shows (101,810) by Shae_anne from Brazil Then [...] is what I'm saying, stop investing your time and hateful energy on her because that's all you'll do. Sit and back complain as if [...] could do any better. [...] stop talking out here as if your doing her any favors psychoanalyzing everything that she does. If she bothers you and you just feel critical about her instead of appreciating her as an artist that's established all that she needs to [censored]. She's at home with her millions and adoring fans that still appreciate her and your [...] to nitpick and bully her on about. [censored] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:32)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,814) by Bill from the UK The benefit of phone recordings is that they remove the reverb. So it becomes abundantly clear when the lip syncing and pre-records kick in. Usually though we are put on notice as Mariah will fiddle with the malfunctioning ear piece (which I think is actually her cue to the sound technician), and then waggle her head when she mimes the note. If you enjoyed the concert good for you, but any spectator can see it was one of her worst yet. Hardly phenomenal as you put it. That status is reserved for the Daydream Tour stop at London on June 23rd 1996. What an evening that was. Sorry you missed out. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:51) this is a reply to message 101,802

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,802) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Who was actually at the first two Toronto shows? I'm curious, because [our] crew (friends) was in the third row, she was making eye contact, nostrils in full flair, no miming, and heard her voice as clear as a bell (from the stage, not the speakers blasting in the nose-bleeds or though someone's cell phone speakers). All I'm hearing is negativity based on cell phone recordings when the commenters weren't present. She sounds absolutely phenomenal in her current voice. She riffed, she went off singing script while singing, she improvised, she laughed. Monroe killed it during the duet. She sang her heart out with and she sounded as good as any of her epic eras. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

Toronto shows (101,813) by Bill from the UK Terna you're completely right. How quickly everybody forgets that it was us original fans from the beginning that got her all those number ones, alongside her "own G4 and the Benz with the doors that lift up from the floor". She wouldn't be where she is today were it not for our love and support. And yes, she does score a number one every year. With a track from 1994 with 1994 vocals. Otherwise, she hasn't had a hit since Obsessed. And don't come at me with Big Energy. That was Genius of Love, with a rap, and featured Mariah on a remix. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:37) this is a reply to message 101,808

Toronto shows (101,808) by Terna from Nigeria The [fans] which is what I am, are who made, make and continue to make her who she is - and whatever achievements she has achieved, or records broken - we her core fan base are directly responsible for that and she should never ever get that fact twisted. She is up there because of us (all caps), our money and undying love effort and support. You tell her [we] said so. For you to come here with the bullsh*t talk about her not caring is just plain dumb. Is she going to those shows to sing to herself? Fans purchased those high priced tickets. The least she can do and is obligated to do is show up on her A game, or at the very least something close to it. You must be one of those gremlins on her team only concerned about your paycheck. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45)

Toronto shows (101,812) by BFF from United States I agree with Terna, Bill and others who are putting forth honest assessments and critiques of Mariah's performances. It is not hateful or demeaning to point out what is objectively true: Mariah is not training/exercising her voice. She is not taking care of her physical health. She is relying heavily on pre-recorded tracks and altering those tracks from time to time to disguise the lip syncing. We do not need to be in the audience at these shows to know what's going on. Many of us have been following her for years and know all of the tricks she has used to disguise the lip syncing since the late 1990s... back when she did it more sparingly. Mariah needs honest people in her circle to tell her the truth. Sometimes the kindest thing someone can do is to tell the truth rather than to go along with the charade. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 13:04) this is a reply to message 101,808

Toronto shows (101,808) by Terna from Nigeria The [fans] which is what I am, are who made, make and continue to make her who she is - and whatever achievements she has achieved, or records broken - we her core fan base are directly responsible for that and she should never ever get that fact twisted. She is up there because of us (all caps), our money and undying love effort and support. You tell her [we] said so. For you to come here with the bullsh*t talk about her not caring is just plain dumb. Is she going to those shows to sing to herself? Fans purchased those high priced tickets. The least she can do and is obligated to do is show up on her A game, or at the very least something close to it. You must be one of those gremlins on her team only concerned about your paycheck. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45)

Toronto shows (101,811) by Shae_anne from Brazil [Webmaster: This message was completely censored, because of the many insults.] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:43) this is a reply to message 101,808

Toronto shows (101,808) by Terna from Nigeria The [fans] which is what I am, are who made, make and continue to make her who she is - and whatever achievements she has achieved, or records broken - we her core fan base are directly responsible for that and she should never ever get that fact twisted. She is up there because of us (all caps), our money and undying love effort and support. You tell her [we] said so. For you to come here with the bullsh*t talk about her not caring is just plain dumb. Is she going to those shows to sing to herself? Fans purchased those high priced tickets. The least she can do and is obligated to do is show up on her A game, or at the very least something close to it. You must be one of those gremlins on her team only concerned about your paycheck. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45)

Toronto shows (101,810) by Shae_anne from Brazil Then [...] is what I'm saying, stop investing your time and hateful energy on her because that's all you'll do. Sit and back complain as if [...] could do any better. [...] stop talking out here as if your doing her any favors psychoanalyzing everything that she does. If she bothers you and you just feel critical about her instead of appreciating her as an artist that's established all that she needs to [censored]. She's at home with her millions and adoring fans that still appreciate her and your [...] to nitpick and bully her on about. [censored] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:32) this is a reply to message 101,807

Toronto shows (101,807) by Bill from the UK Hah. It always makes me laugh when the age old excuse of her singing for 30 years is why her voice started going south (in 1997) to the point where she can no longer get through an entire song without playback, backing singer masking, breathing issues, flat and shouty notes etc. This is said even though hundreds upon hundreds of other singers that have been singing just as long sound fine, with minimal voice deterioration. Those that experienced it, shock horror, were heavy smokers, drinkers and drug users. Wake up and join the dots. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:31)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,809) by SM from Citizen of the World Amen. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 11:57) this is a reply to message 101,802

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,802) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Who was actually at the first two Toronto shows? I'm curious, because [our] crew (friends) was in the third row, she was making eye contact, nostrils in full flair, no miming, and heard her voice as clear as a bell (from the stage, not the speakers blasting in the nose-bleeds or though someone's cell phone speakers). All I'm hearing is negativity based on cell phone recordings when the commenters weren't present. She sounds absolutely phenomenal in her current voice. She riffed, she went off singing script while singing, she improvised, she laughed. Monroe killed it during the duet. She sang her heart out with and she sounded as good as any of her epic eras. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

Toronto shows (101,808) by Terna from Nigeria The [fans] which is what I am, are who made, make and continue to make her who she is - and whatever achievements she has achieved, or records broken - we her core fan base are directly responsible for that and she should never ever get that fact twisted. She is up there because of us (all caps), our money and undying love effort and support. You tell her [we] said so. For you to come here with the bullsh*t talk about her not caring is just plain dumb. Is she going to those shows to sing to herself? Fans purchased those high priced tickets. The least she can do and is obligated to do is show up on her A game, or at the very least something close to it. You must be one of those gremlins on her team only concerned about your paycheck. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45) this is a reply to message 101,806

Toronto shows (101,806) by Shae_anne from Brazil First of all Mariah Carey [does not owe you anything]. You staying a fan is up to you, that [doesn't] mean she has to cater to you lol you sound delusional. If you want to stay liking her music being a fan then that's up to you but you ain't doing her no favors, were you even at the concert physically, did you make a physical purchase of the ticket. No, so what do you know sir? If nobody cares she wouldn't be selling out, she wouldn't be breaking CBS records and she wouldn't score a [Billboard] no. 1 every year around Christmas time, she would not be relevant, the people, the public and fans love her, trust when I say she's [doesn't] care about your 2 cents, so you can complain all you want but she's going to stay booked and busy. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 08:30)

Toronto shows (101,807) by Bill from the UK Hah. It always makes me laugh when the age old excuse of her singing for 30 years is why her voice started going south (in 1997) to the point where she can no longer get through an entire song without playback, backing singer masking, breathing issues, flat and shouty notes etc. This is said even though hundreds upon hundreds of other singers that have been singing just as long sound fine, with minimal voice deterioration. Those that experienced it, shock horror, were heavy smokers, drinkers and drug users. Wake up and join the dots. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:31) this is a reply to message 101,805

Toronto shows (101,805) by Shae_anne from Brazil Everybody that was at the show spoke so wonderfully about it and how happy and more freer she's been in years and her attempt at regaining her confidence back, I am yet to hear an audience member demand a refund. A lot of you are very delusional if you honestly think she's going to sound like 90s Mariah, she's been in this game for 30 years get over it and move on to another celebrity if she does not feed your interest anymore instead of obsessively complaining about her. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 08:19)

Toronto shows (101,806) by Shae_anne from Brazil First of all Mariah Carey [does not owe you anything]. You staying a fan is up to you, that [doesn't] mean she has to cater to you lol you sound delusional. If you want to stay liking her music being a fan then that's up to you but you ain't doing her no favors, were you even at the concert physically, did you make a physical purchase of the ticket. No, so what do you know sir? If nobody cares she wouldn't be selling out, she wouldn't be breaking CBS records and she wouldn't score a [Billboard] no. 1 every year around Christmas time, she would not be relevant, the people, the public and fans love her, trust when I say she's [doesn't] care about your 2 cents, so you can complain all you want but she's going to stay booked and busy. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 08:30) this is a reply to message 101,797

Toronto shows (101,797) by Terna from Nigeria Lol. You must be a kid so I will excuse your blatant folly and the way you responded to my message, which was quite frankly from a place of [love] and more importantly concern. What has wanting her to take her craft more seriously and be more disciplined when it comes to her instrument got to do with wanting her to change and me not having inner peace? Haha (I never indicated I was in turmoil). We love (all caps) Mariah that is why we are still here like what? 30 plus years later. I would've easily moved on from her but there's no way that would ever happen, not now and you know why because I did not leave her nor kick her when she was down, and practically the whole world turned their back on her. That was when I even "Stanned" harder for her. Why would I want to start now? You did not experience Mariah Carey in the 90's nor even the early 2000's like we did, you're "prolly" one of the new Lambies. When Mariah stood in front of an audience with a [microphone] you knew you were about to hear vocals no other singer could or is capable of producing. She was all about that voice and with the kinda artist she is that was enough. Nowadays it is the opposite; the lighting, ensembles (ugh I hate this word because of her), "darling", "the lighting" and all the other "crap" she picked up along the way that absolutely nobody cares for. Smh. (Monday 12 December 2022; 19:38)

Toronto shows (101,805) by Shae_anne from Brazil Everybody that was at the show spoke so wonderfully about it and how happy and more freer she's been in years and her attempt at regaining her confidence back, I am yet to hear an audience member demand a refund. A lot of you are very delusional if you honestly think she's going to sound like 90s Mariah, she's been in this game for 30 years get over it and move on to another celebrity if she does not feed your interest anymore instead of obsessively complaining about her. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 08:19) this is a reply to message 101,794

Toronto shows (101,794) by Lee from USA I agree with you. Besides, if she was stinking up the joint, then why nobody left or screamed about a refund? (Monday 12 December 2022; 17:50)

Billboard (101,804) by Mò from South Africa Congratulations to her. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 08:09) this is a reply to message 101,801

Billboard (101,801) by Tameka walker from United states I would like to congratulate Mariah for going number one in Billboard. On her voice she does drink and that is not good for the voice. I also remember that a doctor told her she needed vocal surgery but she refused because it would mess with her whistle notes. That is what she said she in a 1998 or 1999 years interview. I guess she is worried she might not be able to hit those high notes like she likes. Merry Christmas everyone and a happy new year. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 00:53)

Toronto shows (101,803) by BFF from United States It really makes me sad that their duet was pre-recorded. "Away In a Manger" is not a difficult song to sing, and it feels so wrong to have Monroe in on the pre-recording grift. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 03:00) this is a reply to message 101,789

Toronto shows (101,789) by Bill from the UK I did suspect Away In A Manger was lipped, but held my tongue. But yes, on closer inspection it is very obviously the case. Shame, but I suppose MC knew that performance might get some media attention. (Monday 12 December 2022; 15:24)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,802) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Who was actually at the first two Toronto shows? I'm curious, because [our] crew (friends) was in the third row, she was making eye contact, nostrils in full flair, no miming, and heard her voice as clear as a bell (from the stage, not the speakers blasting in the nose-bleeds or though someone's cell phone speakers). All I'm hearing is negativity based on cell phone recordings when the commenters weren't present. She sounds absolutely phenomenal in her current voice. She riffed, she went off singing script while singing, she improvised, she laughed. Monroe killed it during the duet. She sang her heart out with and she sounded as good as any of her epic eras. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

Billboard (101,801) by Tameka walker from United states I would like to congratulate Mariah for going number one in Billboard. On her voice she does drink and that is not good for the voice. I also remember that a doctor told her she needed vocal surgery but she refused because it would mess with her whistle notes. That is what she said she in a 1998 or 1999 years interview. I guess she is worried she might not be able to hit those high notes like she likes. Merry Christmas everyone and a happy new year. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 00:53)

Caution album (101,800) by Bobby A from United States Is it say that Caution will probably be MC's last great album? I don't see how MC now with her current vocal abilities will ever be able to sing like she did on Caution. (Monday 12 December 2022; 22:54)

Nodules and whistles (101,799) by Terna from Nigeria You [said] it all honestly, and quite frankly I do hope she's reading this to read our honest opinions, something she can't seem to get from those around her since they are scared of losing their paychecks. This is exactly what Michael Jackson suffered until it was too late. Mariah needs to be booed off stage for her to be jolted back to reality and then do something about her voice like say hire a vocal coach. Like how did you get to this level? What kinda of singer doesn't train their main voice and only relies on the whistle register - which by the way is a parasitic register on the main voice (This is what diminished her voice quality). Mariah does not have a super head voice. Listen to Amel Larrieux. (Monday 12 December 2022; 20:27) this is a reply to message 101,788

Nodules and whistles (101,788) by MC1989 from Spain Whistles used to be an ornament in her songs, an extra or a plus to her huge voice range and singing abilities. Nowadays the narrative of "I don't remove my nodules because thanks to them I can hit whistle notes" is absurd. But then again, it' s Maria's choice, and I can even understand the fear of going under that kind of surgery. But right now, in these recent years, the whole range has been affected by the nodules, the lack of training and rehearsing, the bad habits and of course age. She even admitted that she doesn't train her voice before concerts during her Masterclass. She said she does a few vocal scales to see if the whistles and the low notes are there and goes singing. That's not that your instrument has become weak due to age or whatever, it's a personal choice of not wanting to warm up and really train on a regular basis. No vocal resting will change that. But hey, Mariah can whistle. Flat whistles that most of the times sound more like high weak screams than whistles. Between the lipped parts she keeps doing these little whistle screams to try to prove that although she lipped, she can hit some similar sound, if we can consider a shout a note. I'm here because I'm a fan. I'm always hoping to see if she gets better and if she can surprise me. I loved her memoir, The Rarities, some of her recent interviews, because I love Mariah. I spent more money on her than in any other artist I admire. I want her to succeed and to reach number one and I want people to appreciate her legendary catalogue apart from AIWFCIY. But lately I feel a little sad when I see her performing. I don't like people including me, talking about how bad this or that performance was. So why keep the exposure that much? If she can't sing good an entire song without any lipped part, lipped whistles etc, then stop performing, stop singing impossible songs for her current voice. Mariah can fool a non fan or a recent fan, but she certainly cannot fool fans like me who have been following her for more than 2 decades and have watched every single performance she has done since 1990. I can recognize immediately when she's lipping. And I had come to a point where I didn't mind she was using prerecorded tracks in some parts of certain songs if the rest of the vocal performance was really good. But this year's performances are really mediocres. Nowadays it's so evident when the lipped part comes in, that she can be happy that the thousands of people who pay the astronomic prices for her shows can think those parts are not lipped, and that they can't hear the differences between her 2022 voice and the 1994 voice for instance in Hark The Herald Angels Sing, where the alternation of those 2 different tones is pure cringe for someone who has a good ear. By the way I've also noticed that her lip synching has become a little more convincing to the general audience because in the recent years she's been using fillers in her face, and though she looks beautiful I also notice a lack of expression in her face. In the past her face muscles revealed very clearly when she was singing live and when not. I saw her in Madrid in 2020 and even though she lipped the same parts - because basically it's the same show with a few changes - the show was good and her voice sounded strong and beautiful. But 2022 is one of her worst vocal moments from what I've seen this far. Again, I hope she gets better. I will support her upcoming movie or series about her life, I would also love to hear her 1995 version of Someone's Ugly Daughter and her upcoming projects. But I would like her to stop giving these bad performances. (Monday 12 December 2022; 14:23)

Toronto shows (101,798) by Terna from Nigeria Speaking of My All, [she] has never really sung that song half as good as on the album and even the original recording is flawed. With all that "singing through the nodules" she's doing. It is actually quite distracting and once you hear it you cannot really "unhear" it again. At this point, just retire the damn song already, because if I hear that "feel your body, feel your body" tired line one more time. Mariah does not have truthful people around her at all, [not] Trey nor Mary Ann nor Bryan Tanaka and it's so sad to see her spiraling down and becoming a one trick pony – Christmas. (Monday 12 December 2022; 19:47) this is a reply to message 101,786

Toronto shows (101,786) by Bill from the UK "My All" was probably the worst I've ever heard her sing. If you can call it that. (Monday 12 December 2022; 11:58)

Toronto shows (101,797) by Terna from Nigeria Lol. You must be a kid so I will excuse your blatant folly and the way you responded to my message, which was quite frankly from a place of [love] and more importantly concern. What has wanting her to take her craft more seriously and be more disciplined when it comes to her instrument got to do with wanting her to change and me not having inner peace? Haha (I never indicated I was in turmoil). We love (all caps) Mariah that is why we are still here like what? 30 plus years later. I would've easily moved on from her but there's no way that would ever happen, not now and you know why because I did not leave her nor kick her when she was down, and practically the whole world turned their back on her. That was when I even "Stanned" harder for her. Why would I want to start now? You did not experience Mariah Carey in the 90's nor even the early 2000's like we did, you're "prolly" one of the new Lambies. When Mariah stood in front of an audience with a [microphone] you knew you were about to hear vocals no other singer could or is capable of producing. She was all about that voice and with the kinda artist she is that was enough. Nowadays it is the opposite; the lighting, ensembles (ugh I hate this word because of her), "darling", "the lighting" and all the other "crap" she picked up along the way that absolutely nobody cares for. Smh. (Monday 12 December 2022; 19:38) this is a reply to message 101,784

Toronto shows (101,784) by SM from Citizen of the World Then stop following her. All you people that criticize her, move on with your life. No one cares what you think, your opinion will never matter to anyone. Mariah will not change Mariah. Let go, move on, do whatever it is you gotta do, find peace with yourself because this [censored] is getting old, again Mariah is Mariah and she will never ever change for you or anybody else, get it in your heads. (Monday 12 December 2022; 01:25)

Toronto shows (101,796) by Bobby A from United States Wow. This is my first time seeing this video. MC is really struggling with breath control. She is going to continue performing until she can not do it anymore. We have to accept her effort to maintain her singing career. (Monday 12 December 2022; 19:07) this is a reply to message 101,792

Toronto shows (101,792) by Edward from USA Who the [censored] are you to tell him to stop following her? Anybody with decent hearing can tell she's struggling, but really struggling. She's struggling even with songs that are not vocally demanding. "Christmas Time Is in the Air" is a prime example of that. (Monday 12 December 2022; 16:15)

Toronto shows (101,795) by SM from Citizen of the World I can say what I want when I want. If you don't like something move on. All you people need to grow up, if you are not happy with Mariah why would you waste any of your time posting negative thoughts as if she would change? It does not make sense when you all claim to love someone yet every other post on this board is negative and ripping her apart. Get a life dude find peace within yourself. (Monday 12 December 2022; 17:53) this is a reply to message 101,792

Toronto shows (101,792) by Edward from USA Who the [censored] are you to tell him to stop following her? Anybody with decent hearing can tell she's struggling, but really struggling. She's struggling even with songs that are not vocally demanding. "Christmas Time Is in the Air" is a prime example of that. (Monday 12 December 2022; 16:15)

Toronto shows (101,794) by Lee from USA I agree with you. Besides, if she was stinking up the joint, then why nobody left or screamed about a refund? (Monday 12 December 2022; 17:50) this is a reply to message 101,784

Toronto shows (101,784) by SM from Citizen of the World Then stop following her. All you people that criticize her, move on with your life. No one cares what you think, your opinion will never matter to anyone. Mariah will not change Mariah. Let go, move on, do whatever it is you gotta do, find peace with yourself because this [censored] is getting old, again Mariah is Mariah and she will never ever change for you or anybody else, get it in your heads. (Monday 12 December 2022; 01:25)

Toronto shows (101,793) by BFF from United States I think Mariah should take personal responsibility like Linda Ronstadt did and retire from live performing. Ronstadt stopped performing in the late 2000s because she was uncomfortable charging people money to see performances in which she was basically just shouting. Linda Ronstadt has a degenerative condition - progressive supranuclear palsy - that rendered her unable to sing. As far as we know, Mariah has no such condition and just chooses not to train and exercise her voice and take care of her physical health the way she needs to. The constant lip syncing, the altering of prerecorded tracks to disguise lip syncing, the shout-singing, the mediocre vocal performances are impossible to ignore and are really disrespectful to the people who pay good money for the shows. This would be okay with Janet Jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears, et cetera who are mostly about choreography, but it's not okay for someone known for singing. (Monday 12 December 2022; 17:38) this is a reply to message 101,782

Toronto shows (101,782) by Terna from Nigeria Watching the clips, [one] can tell she's really struggling to put on a "singing" show but her voice is really not having it, so she talk sings or alters the melody. I really wish Mariah would get professional help. Now she's also having lower range issues as seen in the "Emotions" and "My All" clips with the unintentional vocal breaks. Another thing I noticed is the repertoire itself isn't the best for a singer her age seeing as it was written "16 to 25 minutes ago", she's missing a lot of qualities that were there before which enabled her sing so well – [agility], fluid and seamless registers, stamina in terms of youth etc just the ease of singing she once had in [general] which was an amalgamation of all these factors and more working hand in hand. It's [sad] to see the last of the two true [divas] struggling; with Celine and her health issues and Mariah and her waning instrument. (Sunday 11 December 2022; 15:46)

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