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Re: Mariah's voice (99,198) (99,199) by Jamie from UK Yes if you put it like that it's easy to say why does she do this and why does she do that? But really she's only human and subject to the vices that help her cope with life. Yes she lives a very privileged life but unfortunately mental health holds no barriers. And I think living in the world of stardom opens up even more issues. But she must thank her lucky stars everyday she got famous as I can't imagine her looking like Alison now haha. (Friday 17 December 2021; 15:00)

Mariah's voice (99,198) by Sasha from Nomansland For me, Mariah is a woman who is deeply sad and shattered by a personal life that has always been chaotic. Her current voice is the result. The only thing she has always wanted is a stable personal life. Someone who loves her for what she is. Someone she can rely on. She thought she would get it by being with Tommy but it turned into a nightmare. Then the failure of her marriage to Nick was devastating and she has never recovered since. If she was truly happy in her life, she would have made other choices for herself and her health. Her voice wouldn't certainly be what it is today. But that's just my opinion. (Friday 17 December 2021; 09:44)

Article: Hummable hits suitable for all ages (99,197) by Ann Estewar from US I went to this! I [was] 14 at the time and my friend won tickets on the radio and she brought me along. (Friday 17 December 2021; 03:28)

Lucky (99,196) by Jamie from UK Currently driving through Long Island listening to early Mariah. (Friday 17 December 2021; 00:07)

Re: Change (99,189) (99,195) by Lee from UK There was definitely some rasp in Mariah's belts back in the day. I have recently been listening to some of the studio "stems" from the Daydream era and, without all of the production, you can definitely hear the rasp. I think the way in which the final versions end up on the record are probably over-produced to the point that the voice we hear on the CD version of the songs is very engineered. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 22:27)

Re: Change (99,189) (99,194) by T from USA If she cannot do a whole song live now as it is then what's the difference if she looses the whistle? To me that would be the easiest thing to lip to in a pre-recorded situation. I would rather her do the surgery so she can sing 90% like she used to. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 22:27)

Re: Change (99,145) (99,193) by Lee from UK Here is my two pence worth - I think Mariah's voice has changed in a number of ways but, for me, the two most obvious ways are accent and vowel sounds. Now I know that vowel sounds tend to be strongly related to accent but I still think they are two separate issues for Mariah. Most singers, even British singers, sing with an American-ish accent as it makes the vowel sounds more pleasing. Now I say American-ish because most people would not detect an accent especially on Mariah's first 3 or 4 albums. Some people would call it a neutral accent. However Mariah seems to have made a shift from singing in a neutral accent, with pleasing vowel sounds, to singing with more New York-type, nasal, vowel sounds. Mariah was a master at manipulating her vowel sounds to give us more resonance on belted notes or more depth or air-iness on other notes. More recently, this has been more challenging for Mariah and you can hear it on the Appple TV Christmas specials. Mariah was in good vocal form in 1994 during the original Merry Christmas recording. Merry Christmas gifted us Mariah's very best vocals. This was her prime. Listening to the re-recorded versions of these songs is painful as the vowel sounds are very forced and often nasal. Mariah's riffs and runs obviously occur on vowel sounds so it's no wonder they are not as clear or as well executed as they used to be. Even Mariah's current whistle register which mostly uses vowels feels forced and unpleasant to the ears. This is all just my opinion, I'm not a vocal coach just a long time fan of Mariah's live vocal performances. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 22:23)

Re: Her voice back (99,190) (99,192) by MusicfanJ from Germany "I will just cherish her first four albums for showcasing her in prime vocal state. She was the vocal queen back in the early 90s." Yes, the same here. I will always cherish her. Her voice during the 90ies was out of this world. There will never be a voice like hers again. Songs from her first albums still bring me to tears because she really touches the heart. It's an experience to listen to her first recordings and always will be. I also love "Daydream", "Glitter" and "Charmbracelet". I'm still waiting for a jazz-album, there's no need for autotune. Mariah could surprise everyone with it. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 19:47)

Re: Change (99,189) (99,191) by MusicfanJ from Germany "If she had slowed down between '97 and '99, I think Mariah would've saved her voice." That's what I believe as well. All the touring, concerts around the world, too much for her sensitive voice. Plus she was on every tv-show during the time. Mariah was powering non-stop to show the music world she's the one even without Tommy. That's a drama. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 19:22)

Re: Her voice back (99,188) (99,190) by Bobby A from United States I don't think it has shown any type of improvement with her new recordings from Somewhat Loved to BCPCH this year. They both have been so inconsistent from one to the other. I listened to Somewhat Loved and it seems so auto-tuned in some parts. MC gave no live Christmas performances this holiday season on network TV. I don't want to think that she is done recording full albums, but it is looking that way now. Maybe I am wrong. I still love me some MC and nothing will ever change that. I will just cherish her first four albums for showcasing her in prime vocal state. She was the vocal queen back in the early 90s. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 16:34)

Re: Change (99,187) (99,189) by Terna from Nigeria "Nodules" Bill, that's the main reason she's experienced all these issues, and they get worse with time, thus the rasp in her upper belts that wasn't there before nor the airiness since the "Daydream" era. And yes I have pointed that out too, her quality became thinner and more "metallic" or "silvery". That quality is the early onset of the airiness we hear on "Butterfly" a direct result of newly developed nodules, compounded by a heavy world tour back to back from 1996 to 2000. If she had slowed down between '97 and '99, I think Mariah would've saved her voice or at least maintained the "Merry Christmas" sound. I feel she should have vocal surgery but that in itself is scary. She may loose the whistle register and there goes the ability to sing half her repertoire. Devil and deep sea. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 13:56)

Her voice back (99,188) by Edward from USA Mariah said in an interview that she won't tour again because she got her voice back. What do you guys think about that? Do you actually think her voice has shown any type of improvement? (Thursday 16 December 2021; 13:27)

Re: Change (99,185) (99,187) by Bill from the UK I don't think I mentioned Barbra did I? Maybe I did lol. But my point is Mariah's was likely more cosmetic rather than medical, and there's plenty out there where people have said reshaping, even subtle, has impacted their singing voice. The original question was why does her voice sound different on Daydream, and Daydream was before the alcohol and marijuana era, and all she'd had done in 1995 was her first small breast augmentation and her first small rhinoplasty, so this is why I don't think you can rule those things out completely. But then yes, her voice got progressively worse until a small bounce back in the early 00s, then a massive, shocking decline after TEOM, and now she can't really sing at all without it being a Frankenstein of auto tune, reverb, digital pitching and splicing and pasting. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 09:17)

Re: Change (99,185) (99,186) by RibbonB from USA You specifically referred to Morgan by saying he confirmed that since the divorce she has consumed lots of alcohol, I'm paraphrasing you. You didn't say which divorce, but any fan and many others have seen her with a goblet in hand far too often, so what is he confirming, that she drinks a lot? He specifically said in those Radar interviews that he hasn't seen her without a glass since at least 2001, years after the first divorce. But in reality we don't know how much she drinks, or how many surgeries she has had. It is just all speculation. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 02:17)

Re: Change (99,184) (99,185) by 123 from USA @Bill I was referring to Barbara [sic]. She def had a nose job. A subtle, tasteful one but she def had one (or more) - lol. When you get a nose job they don't go obstructing the air passages. The main reason for any nose surgery is to help with breathing. Not just cosmetic. It's just now become more common that it's done for cosmetic reasons than to help with breathing. Here is an article that further discusses my vantage point. @Ribbon. None of that is opinion based. Rhinoplasties help with breathing. Here is another article specifically discussing that alcohol dries out the chords and will render one incapable of hitting high notes. And I don't like Morgan either. I think he is a horrible human being for selling out his sister's secrets to [...] for a couple dollars just because she cut him off, but nothing he has said has been a lie (yet and that can be proven one way or another). He was right in regards to her bi polar diagnosis, and I'm shocked she didn't sue him for releasing her PHI (personal health information). I may not have been as nice as her, but I understand that the stress of a lawsuit just isn't worth it. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 00:22)

Re: Change (99,178) (99,184) by Bill from the UK Haha. Am I? I don't think I am. Anyway, Google search quickly indicates lots of people who say a nose job impacted their singing, some for the better, some for the worse. Most report no effect. You're right it won't impact the vocal chord, but singing incorporates more than just that. It's the diaphragm, the lungs, the mouth, the nose, the chords etc. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:20)

Re: Change (99,177) (99,183) by Bill from the UK Lol, you think When I Saw You isn't sung completely through her nose? It's the most brassy song on the album. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:16)

Re: Here We Go Around Again as the 5th single (99,175) (99,182) by Victoria from USA That is not a number one song. I like it, but nope. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 18:04)

Re: Change (99,176) (99,181) by RibbonB from USA It's all opinion about her voice, rhinoplasty, drinking, boob jobs. All hypothetical and speculation. So invoking Morgan's name in the mix doesn't add validity. IMO. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 17:11)

Re: Change (99,162) (99,180) by 123 from USA @TJ from Norway. [Barbra] may have said that but it's not true. Unless you get a Michael Jackson nose where they make it so small, air can't pass through, no plastic surgeon is going to cause an obstruction of the airways. Plus [Barbra] did her a nose job. It's just not that noticeable because it was a very tasteful one. Google [Barbra] Streisand nose job and there are plenty before and after photos of a slightly shorter nose. Lol. Don't believe these celebrities when they say they will never get work done. They all have, do, and will continue to because they are in the limelight. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 15:12)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,179) by 123 from USA @Randy. Glad you are back. It's funny because I am saying the same exact thing you are. And it's not a theory, it's fact. It's been chronicled throughout her career. People blaming it on a nose job which does not affect the chords or a boob job. If that was the case, then Toni Braxton would have lost her voice. Whitney got a boob job too and she didn't lose her voice lol. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:56)

Re: Change (99,170) (99,178) by 123 from USA @Bill. How are you agreeing with Randy when he said the same thing I did? Lol. The exact same thing. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:53)

Re: Change (99,170) (99,177) by 123 from USA @Bill. Nasal where? She was never nasal in the 90s. Her voice was darker and heavier on the first album only. It got lighter after that but it was because the type of music she was singing changed from a very soulful sound on the first record to a more contemporary approach on Daydream. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:52)

Re: Change (99,174) (99,176) by 123 from USA @Ribbon he was referring to Tommy not Nick, he was clear on that. He was like certainty after the breakdown, which Mariah confirmed in the book. They both confirmed it so it's not my opinion. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:49)

Here We Go Around Again as the 5th single (99,175) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia If only the song would be included in the debut album, and released as the fifth single after I Don't Wanna Cry. I'm sure it would've reached number one just like the other singles and Mariah would be the first female to have 5 number one singles from one album. Just imagine the video for There's Got To Be A Way be used for Here We Go Around Again. The song fits nicely to be the second uptempo single or sequel to Someday. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:33)

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