Messageboard

Re: Change (99,165) (99,179) by 123 from USA @Randy. Glad you are back. It's funny because I am saying the same exact thing you are. And it's not a theory, it's fact. It's been chronicled throughout her career. People blaming it on a nose job which does not affect the chords or a boob job. If that was the case, then Toni Braxton would have lost her voice. Whitney got a boob job too and she didn't lose her voice lol. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:56)

Re: Change (99,170) (99,178) by 123 from USA @Bill. How are you agreeing with Randy when he said the same thing I did? Lol. The exact same thing. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:53)

Re: Change (99,170) (99,177) by 123 from USA @Bill. Nasal where? She was never nasal in the 90s. Her voice was darker and heavier on the first album only. It got lighter after that but it was because the type of music she was singing changed from a very soulful sound on the first record to a more contemporary approach on Daydream. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:52)

Re: Change (99,174) (99,176) by 123 from USA @Ribbon he was referring to Tommy not Nick, he was clear on that. He was like certainty after the breakdown, which Mariah confirmed in the book. They both confirmed it so it's not my opinion. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:49)

Here We Go Around Again as the 5th single (99,175) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia If only the song would be included in the debut album, and released as the fifth single after I Don't Wanna Cry. I'm sure it would've reached number one just like the other singles and Mariah would be the first female to have 5 number one singles from one album. Just imagine the video for There's Got To Be A Way be used for Here We Go Around Again. The song fits nicely to be the second uptempo single or sequel to Someday. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:33)

Re: Change (99,167) (99,174) by RibbonB from USA Well that's who he was referring to in that 2013, I believe, video. He referred to Nick by name. And even claimed she drank through the pregnancy. You didn't mentioned the year or the husband. But yeah, I referred to the one he last mentioned. Your opinion, or anyone elses probably holds as much weight as his does on matters of MC though. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 11:05)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,173) by MusicfanJ from Germany That's really a good theory. Sounds very logical. If you think about the reason that MC felt like a prisoner, while finally "free", it all started as you mentioned. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:38)

Re: Change (99,162) (99,172) by MusicfanJ from Germany That's very smart from Miss Streisand. I will never understand how a natural beauty like Mariah could risk and loose her voice because of things that were not necessary. I mean if you have the best voice in the world how can you risk it? Of course every day tea sounds boring, and I don't think sometimes a good glass of wine would be super bad for a voice. But smoke and surgery just no. But yes, it is what it is. Sadly. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:24)

Re: "Dem Burgers" (99,158) (99,171) by Dennis from The Netherlands She is a mom. She has children. She needs to bring food to the table. She isn't pretending to be holier than thou. They reached out to her and they were nice people. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:06)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,170) by Bill from the UK Yeh it's not the falsetto element I'm talking about. It's more the change in her tone from a somewhat thick, darker tone to one that was more nasal and thin. Listen to her sing America the Beautiful at the NBA finals. When she sings "fruited plain" and the final "shining sea", it's almost like her vocals are stacked/layered but they aren't. She just had an incredibly rich tone. It disappeared in 1995. It's nowhere on Daydream, and songs like When I Saw You and I Am Free really are noticeably nasal and different to anything prior. I love the theories Randy. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 09:07)

Re: Change (99,163) (99,169) by 123 from USA @Bill. To me, her Daydream voice was the best one. She was even better than all the albums before it. Her high belts because lighter and more metallic and she started to whisper a bit more but not as much as the Butterfly album where it became the main vocal technique she used. The type of music she was singing on the Daydream album was different as well so her vocal approach was different. Her early work had a lot of soul infused so her voice sounded heavier, darker. By Daydream she infused more pop and r&b. So her approach was lighter, airier. I disagree she lost power and got nasally after her surgeries. She had some good vocal moments that rivaled her early work, the consistency and comfort ability in her upper range just diminished because of vice abuse and lack of rest and tons of stress. This VOL performance from the Charmy tour is better than any non dubbed VOL performance from the 90s. There is power, agility range, high belts, sustained belts, low notes, whistle. The only thing I didn't hear is a falsetto note - lol. Her voice sounded full and buttery. Even on this [Jimmy Fallon] clip from 8 years ago, she showed more agility here than in any of her recordings and she didn't sound nasally. Notice though that when she goes to belt on TAOLG, there was a rasp and she quickly switched to a whistle. The rasp has been in the upper register for years but it's more apparent when she doesn't rest and uses vices. Her voice only recently got nasally but I think that's studio trickery masking a bad vocal take. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:57)

Re: Change (99,160) (99,168) by 123 from USA @Robert Anthony. Gladys is correct. Mariah has admitted that she is more of an alto and not a soprano and in the vocal analysis I watched they and Mariah herself have confirmed this. She has a natural low speaking voice and she taught herself how to sing high. That's why she has so much control on the bottom end of her voice because it's where her voice natural sits. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:28)

Re: Change (99,159) (99,167) by 123 from USA @Ribbon, he may be all those things but he was still around after the Tommy divorce. Maybe you meant the divorce with Nick. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:21)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,166) by Bobby A from United States You are an excellent writer, Randy. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 01:09)

Re: Change (99,145) (99,165) by Randy from USA I don't know. MC has used that falsetto/whisper religiously from the start. Listen to the verses of All In Your Mind, Love Takes Time, and Can't Let Go. I think the problem we and the general public had has been the over reliance on it from Rainbow on. Don't forget the obvious lipping of full voice high notes. If MC could really still sing the final adlibs following every climax in full voice, no one would care about the falsetto/whisper. The elephant in the throat has always been the loss of her upper full voice range starting in 1997. I don't think it was a rhinoplasty or the breast augmentation. Mariah said from the beginning she couldn't do massive tours because her voice is sensitive. I have two theories, albeit one is controversial. I think Tommy locking her up in that mansion kept her from smoking, drinking excessively, talking, breathing outside air and laughing. So her voice was cocooned. Get the reference? But once she got freedom she didn't care about the voice anymore. She wanted her youth and years lost living and the voice said, "I'll show you." The other controversial theory I have is an atomic bomb exploded in her throat right before she stepped out on stage to sing Hero on Oprah's show in 1997. Thoughts? (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:56)

Re: "Dem Burgers" (99,158) (99,164) by Victoria from USA Her thinking might be, that people could be grateful for the free food. Grateful people might stream her Christmas music. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:53)

Re: Change (99,157) (99,163) by Bill from the UK Rhinoplasty may or may not impact a voice, the fact is you won't know until after you have had it. Great that yours didn't impact you, but Mariah's clearly did as her voice has never returned to the strong, voluminous, agile voice she had on her first four albums. You can tell on Daydream almost immediately that her voice is thinner and like she's singing with a blocked nose. Yes, she sounded better post breakdown, when presumably she stopped drinking or engaging in other vices, but it never came anywhere close to where it was 1990-1994, and quickly went downhill after the success of TEOM. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:14)

Re: Change (99,156) (99,162) by TJ from Norway Not only the air, but the resonance. I believe it was Barbra Streisand who said she would never do any changes in that area because it would change her voice. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:10)

Re: Change (99,154) (99,161) by TJ from Norway Why didn't the rhinoplasty effect her voice? (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 23:16)

Re: Change (99,157) (99,160) by Bobby A from United States Gladys Knight said early in the 90s that MC sings out of her range. I wish I could find the interview. She was referring to all of the belting. (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 22:41)

Re: Change (99,157) (99,159) by RibbonB from USA Morgan cannot attest to her behavior post divorce, as he is jaded, jealous and has been absent from her presence for years now. (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 22:19)

"Dem Burgers" (99,158) by HHaute from USA Why is a woman so talented collaborating with a restaurant associated with bad health? She is too good for McDonalds. SMH. (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 22:01)

Re: Change (99,156) (99,157) by 123 from USA @Bill. Of course it won't work if you drink glasses of alcohol with it. It does work if you are avoiding vices. Morgan confirmed that since her divorce she has consumed large amounts of alcohol to deal with the stress. Her vices, stress, and lack of discipline/rest are the cause of vocal decline. When you get a rhinoplasty done they also open up the airways. I've had two and my singing and speaking voice have had no change. In fact, I breathe better now. There was a vocal analysis on [YouTube] for each era that like an hour long and they discuss the rhinoplasty that could have helped with breathing during the [Charmbracelet] era. If the rhinoplasty and boob job hinder her vocals in the 90s, how was she able to bounce back vocally during the [Charmbracelet] tour? She made sure she slept enough each day and stayed away from alcohol and blunts. I lost my voice years ago and when I finally stopped smoking, reduced my stress level, and started to get some consistent sleep each night, my voice slowly came back. (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 21:53)

Re: Change (99,154) (99,156) by Bill from the UK She's been pumping a humidifier at her vocal chords since the late 90s. It doesn't work. And yes, of course rhinoplasty would impact your voice. The reshaping of the nasal cavity would massively impact the air passing through and your breath control. Why do you think her voice sounded full bodied on her first four albums, then nasally and thin from Daydream onwards? (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 21:02)

Re: Change (99,152) (99,155) by Jamie from UK Makes you wonder why she had the Rhinoplasty's I'm sure she would have been advised against it, I bet MC thought she would be immune to vocal changes from the surgery. I did like the fact she said the other day that her voice was in the best condition for a long time, it's like she's acknowledging it now, even though I don't think it is in great shape. If I had that gift I would do all I could to protect it. (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 20:38)

MORE MESSAGES