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Re: An objective view (96,333) (96,334) by Geri551 from UK As opposed to what exactly? Nothing? None of Mariah's 90s cohort are exactly burning up the radio or notching up the streams. What would Janet or Toni Braxton give to have the kind of opportunity that Mariah gets every year? (Saturday 17 October 2020; 21:28)

Re: An objective view (96,330) (96,333) by Lyric from USA Hey, if you are fine with AIWFCIY being her "ultimate legacy" then that's your opinion. Different strokes. I would be annoyed with any of my favorite singers being seasonal holiday acts but that is just me. The fact that the general public decides to sing her praises during Christmastime but then throw her back into obscurity after January, doesn't sit right with me as a fan. But Mariah perpetuated this herself so if she's happy then so be it. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 20:18)

Re: The future is not looking good (96,325) (96,332) by Lyric from USA I love Mariah but I have to admit that she is technically a studio singer. She has spent her career recording songs that are nearly impossible to duplicate live. Like the ending climax of CTTA, We Belong Together, etc. Her belting ability is pretty much gone and she has to lip her whistle notes often. Mariah has never been known as a live performer and I can't imagine many people with disposable income who would pay to see her live. That's the difference between her and other musicians in her age group. Could she improve her reputation as a live singer? She could but I'm doubtful since it's been 30 years. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 20:12)

Re: An objective view (96,323) (96,331) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "An objective view." Really? "This new generation of music listeners... make fun of special needs people on tik tok." Really? "True fans of music and artistry respect and love her music, even if they don't consider themselves to be lambs." I know music lovers who hate Mariah's music. Sure this is an accurate objective statement? "Mariah will not get the appreciation she deserves as long as she isn't making the trash music that's popular these days." All currently popular music is trash? And STD is Song of the Century? "It's also incredibly tacky to deny her experiences." People are questioning her honesty based upon contradictory reports and contradictory visual evidence, especially as the re-editing of history rides the bandwagon of BLM riots. Objective? Really? Please. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 18:28)

Re: An objective view (96,323) (96,330) by Geri551 from UK Why would Mariah abandon her Christmas Queen label? It would be lunacy. It gives her a guaranteed income every year (being Mariah Carey costs money.) and builds up her fame and legacy. A good comparison may be Bette Midler. She trades on Hocus Pocus, almost 30 years after the movie was released. Why? Because it is part of pop culture, it attracts press attention to her every year (she has been threatening a sequel in press interviews for the past 29 years), she performs as Winifred in her live shows. Every year a new generation of young people are introduced to the film. It is accessible. Like it or not All I Want For Christmas Is You is Mariah's ultimate legacy and will guarantee her place in pop culture. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 18:25)

Re: Relevancy (96,319) (96,329) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Okay let's give you a chance to be an adult and not a dark, damaged little queen. "It's not Mariah's fault that the media has painted a false image of her for years now." What image of her have they painted? Please quote different media sources and cite evidence as to why these representations are false. "Let's not act as if sexism isn't the foundation for more than 75% of her criticism." Please cite the criticism to which you are referring and then show how it is specifically based upon Mariah's gender. "Men just don't like seeing powerful unapologetic women like Mariah." Please publish your evidence for this claim. I am a man and I like seeing powerful women. So you're onto a difficult one already. Come on. Prove you are not just a pathetic child. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 18:18)

Re: The future is not looking good (96,325) (96,328) by Geri551 from UK Comparing apples and oranges. Mariah is not in the same category as the Beatles. Trying to create some comparison between the two is entirely unfair to Mariah. The success enjoyed by the Beatles was and remains unparalleled. Celine and Mariah have very different core audiences and it isn't surprising that Celine has more success at touring, while Mariah has far higher streaming of recent musical releases. Celine's core fanbase is middle class, white women, the same as Barbra Streisand. They are a consistent and reliable audience for Celine as they have been for Barbra. Mariah largely chose to reject that audience in 1997 and has done little to appeal to them since. She has aimed at a younger, more urban audience. They are much less likely to be able to pay to see someone in concert but more likely to stream music. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 18:18)

Re: An objective view (96,323) (96,327) by Edward from USA "True fans of music and artistry respect and love her music, even if they don't consider themselves to be lambs. I don't know any vocalist in the music business who doesn't cite Mariah Carey as an influence. Mariah will not get the appreciation she deserves as long as she isn't making the trash music that's popular these days." I totally agree with you, and it doesn't have anything to do with genres, for those who will immediately jump on the "that wasn't the real Mariah" wagon. As I stated before, even on Butterfly, which showed a free Mariah, her lyrics were simply great. She's still a great lyricist when she puts herself into it. Great music is great music and people will buy it, but she has another thing against her, she's not taken seriously due to this annoying and sometimes petty diva persona she's assumed. Mariah used to have this veil of mystery, in which she would release an album, promote and disappear, but since 2010, all this touring, and a myriad of non-music products releases, she hasn't given the public an opportunity to miss her. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 17:51)

Re: Let's get back to being fans (96,315) (96,326) by Bill from the UK I think I gave reasonable counter arguments to your post, but all you did was post Celine Dion in MC Hammer parachute pants. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 17:51)

Re: The future is not looking good (96,313) (96,325) by TJ from Norway It's just that it seems like her real fans are also fading away. When The Beatles released their best of album 30 years after their last studio album, it went to number one all over the world. When Celine put her tickets for sale in Norway, she had to put on an extra concerts because people went crazy. Each concert had about 23,000 tickets sold (last year), while Mariah could not sell 7000 tickets 4 years earlier in the same city, in the same country. I have said this before (like many else) that she should have a change of direction if she still want to be in the game. To many of her "real fans" makes to many excuses and close the blinds so they don't have to face the facts. Sad. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 11:47)

Re: Review of the memoir and The Rarities (96,310) (96,324) by Bill from the UK I always enjoy your articles, thank you very much for sharing. A great read. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 08:49)

An objective view (96,323) by Lyric from USA Hello all, I don't post here often but after reading her memoir and the last few pages of posts, I wanted to contribute. 1. One of my biggest gripes with Mariah is the "Queen of Christmas" nonsense. She has a vast, impressive catalogue but she's chosen to market herself as a holiday act for the past few years. It puts her in a box and makes it easier for this newer generation to forget about all of her other hits. Plus, AIWFCIY is one of my least favorite songs of hers. Maybe I'm just not a holiday person. 2. This new generation of music listeners are the same kids who eat tide pods and make fun of special needs people on tik tok. I couldn't care less if these are the folks who don't connect with Mariah. True fans of music and artistry respect and love her music, even if they don't consider themselves to be lambs. I don't know any vocalist in the music business who doesn't cite Mariah Carey as an influence. Mariah will not get the appreciation she deserves as long as she isn't making the trash music that's popular these days. 3. Mariah, like most people, is a complex person. I don't like the "eternally twelve" nonsense, even though I have a deeper understanding since reading her memoir. I think some of her insecurities, like not showing the left side of her face, are ridiculous. But as fans, we should be able to accept her faults since she is human. And none of us know her from a can of paint, aside from her public persona and her music. It's weird to see "lambs" turning on her now, when she has certainly displayed more questionable behavior in the past (Stella era, for example.) It's also incredibly tacky to deny her experiences. I just want her to drop the Christmas stuff, continue toward a futuristic R&B sound like with Caution and continue to work toward peace in her life. We would all be devastated if something happened to Mariah, let's appreciate her and give her flowers while she is still with us. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 08:10)

Re: MC30 (96,296) (96,322) by enwar00 from usa I saw on YouTube. I watched Endless Love so far, it was nice, will have to watch again though. That's the Emotions performance when she was such and sang lower isn't it? How funny just saw it for the first time this year, I love it. She was on that show a lot wasn't she. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 05:35)

Re: Where I Belong (96,301) (96,321) by Bobby A from United States It won't play even if you have an account and upgraded the app. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 04:06)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,320) by Korey2 from United Stated I don't post much but hate to see you go. You're in NY right? I don't love to chat sometime about it all. Any way to contact you? Or anybody know how? (Saturday 17 October 2020; 03:45)

Relevancy (96,319) by We are lambily from USA "Mariah isn't relevant anymore." Mariah is in the top 3 most streamed artists who debuted before the 00s. And if we add those Christmas streams she does something we call social distancing on those lists. Her book has now sold over 500k copies in two weeks. People still clearly care about her and her music. It's not Mariah's fault that the media has painted a false image of her for years now. I will never forget that episode of Wendy where she spoke on how she has been in the business for as long as Mariah and has never heard someone call her a mean person. Let's not act as if sexism isn't the foundation for more than 75% of her criticism. Men just don't like seeing powerful unapologetic women like Mariah. They love puppies they can control. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 03:10)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,304) (96,318) by RibbonB from USA Ok, that sounds intriguing, thanks. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 02:48)

Re: Soon As I Get Home (96,308) (96,317) by Geri551 from UK I don't really understand. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 02:24)

Re: Soon As I Get Home (96,308) (96,316) by Bobby A from United States Lol. That was Faith Evans' written song - Soon as I as get home. I'll make it up to you. Babyface said, I'll pay your rent. I'll cook your dinner. Soon as I get home. Soon as I get home. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 02:07)

Re: Let's get back to being fans (96,312) (96,315) by Andrew from the United Kingdom You are missing the point. It has moved past "Mariah's own truths" to potentially "Mariah's false representations". But like Bill and others, you could probably be smacked around the head with actual truths or outright facts or reasonable assumptions based on the balance of probabilities and you wouldn't care. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 01:59)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey's very good, very bad two weeks (96,311) (96,314) by Andrew from the United Kingdom How interesting: because *you* don't want to read articles that are less than complimentary about Mariah, you would like it so that *nobody* here can read such articles. So, you think yourself the person qualified enough to be my censor? You alone (or, maybe, not) can determine what I can and cannot read. What makes you so qualified? Be silent and still. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 01:53)

Re: The future is not looking good (96,302) (96,313) by Aliya from Canada Who cares how relevant Mariah is now? Her real fans know her and that's all that matters. Nobody stays current forever. People will continue to discover her music when she was in her prime. That excitement of hearing her voice for the first time will still happen for people who haven't discovered her yet. I don't care about the charts or what other people think about her, or what they think about the fact that I like her. She has impacted me in ways that I can't begin to express in words. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 01:02)

Let's get back to being fans (96,312) by Johnny from Ireland Hi all. Reading a lot of comments here lately and I rarely get involved in debates. That said, I have to offer my opinion here. I've been a Mariah fan for a long time and decline to refer to myself as a lamb (no disrespect). We're all here for the love of Mariah's music and as a fan, I wish only the best for her. We're living in a world where such judgement and criticism is so freely distributed and we're in a time where everyone feels the need to voice their opinion whether it's based on fact, consequence or general thought. Who are we to judge anyone's story when we weren't there? My truth or yours is different in the eyes of those around us. I doubt any of us were in or around Mariah's presence during those moments articulated in her memoir. Those moments made her who she is today and I am pretty sure she acknowledges her own role in every scenario and situation. And indeed is filled with regret as most people are with past situations. The memoir was not supposed to be a confession. Let those mentioned in the book speak if they need to. Why get caught up in theorizing things we can't understand when we weren't there? I do feel sorry that she had to go through the race trauma but everyone has their own identity struggles in life. Hers was race what's ours? Life's too short to focus on other people's stories. Enjoy the music guys and Mariah as a person even though we don't know her really but I certainly enjoy her witty and creative personality. Peace out peeps. (Saturday 17 October 2020; 00:38)

Article: Mariah Carey's very good, very bad two weeks (96,311) by Richard from USA I know you try to post all news about Mariah Carey without filtering out the bad stuff, which I appreciate. But Showbiz411 has such a clear bias against and vendetta toward Mariah that seeing trash like this posted here makes me want to come back less and less. I still love your site, but when something is such vindictive trash, I wish it didn't get re-posted here. (Friday 16 October 2020; 23:29)

Review of the memoir and The Rarities (96,310) by Richard from USA Hi fellow Lambs. What an amazing string of gifts Mariah has given us over the past three months. In my latest article, I dive into #MC30, review the memoir, do a track by track analysis of "The Rarities", and speculate on what it all means and what's next. Check it out. (Friday 16 October 2020; 23:27)

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