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Re: What if (92,454) (92,461) by MusicfanJ from Germany Sadly it won't happen. But if I would see that picture I would be so suprised and happy at the same time. Because they would create magic again. Another haunting song for sure. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 17:41)

Re: Mariah (92,459) (92,460) by We are Lambily from USA Butterfly is my favourite album, so you can keep your offence. Caution is the perfect album for this decade and if Mariah had the same machine behind her as in the 90s, it would do just as good. Her songwriting is just as good. There is no skips in the album. Can't say the same for her early albums. If I was a yes-yes bleating lamb I wouldn't criticise those albums. But I keep all those opinions to myself and enjoy her good stuff. Daydream, Butterfly, Charmbracelet, MIAM, Caution, TEOM and Memoirs are my favourite albums. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 15:59)

Re: Mariah (92,457) (92,459) by Bill from the UK As I said, if you prefer the songs on Caution to those on, say, Butterfly, then great for you. You're a yes-yes bleating lamb so it's pointless debating anything with your kind, no offence. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 15:38)

Re: Mariah (92,452) (92,458) by Musti from UK 8th Grade is the only track on the album that I skip. But it seems non-fans like this song too. I was getting me some retail therapy the other day and this song just came on out of nowhere. And it blended in well with the other songs on the playlist. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 11:39)

Re: Mariah (92,450) (92,457) by We are Lambily from USA GTFO is a fun song, nobody said Mariah has to make serious music 24/7. As she said it was a firecracker and honestly a song she needed to write in order to express how she felt with certain people in her life. Music is art and art should reflect life. So in that case GTFO was the most perfect song describing how Mariah felt at the time. The fact that is Mariah most critically acclaimed album says a lot, her songwriting was just as good as ever. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 09:44)

Ivy Park (92,456) by Norman from USA Do you guys think Mariah would wear any of these outfits? B gave a few celebrities the whole collection as a gift. I remember loving the Adidas outfit she wore to the Nickelodeon awards show. Just a random question. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 05:22)

Where's whining Walter? (92,455) by RibbonB from USA Has anyone read Walter A congratulating Mimi for her illustrious induction yet? He's probably wondering how he could stake claim to her win. He contributed to a song or few, but this is about Mimi and shows they are separate and distinct in their relevance. Mimi was a little ticked that he was inducted before her, but they are even in different lanes as performer vs. producer. Congrats to Rick Nowels for his win this year. I've long wanted him and Mimi to work together. If they don't know each other already, I hope they meet and connect. A partnering with a musician and writer of his caliber could make for excellent new music. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 02:29)

What if (92,454) by Bobby A from United States What if Mariah posted a picture of her and Walter A. in the studio, how would you react? I know I would probably jump for joy and say she can forgive and move on after 20 years. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 02:27)

8th Grade (92,453) by Dove from United States Speaking of 8th Grade, has anyone watched this movie? It captures the feeling I think Mariah is singing about. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 01:33)

Re: Mariah (92,449) (92,452) by RibbonB from USA Now B, every review? I'm just pissed not enough reviewers explored and expounded on the beauty that is 8th Grade. That's one tune I would love her to take a deep dive into in her memoirs. And I'm not talking about the metaphor she gave of her being devastated at thirteen about her lack of clothes and orange hair. Lol. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 23:17)

Re: Article: Phylicia Rashad dishes on her "friendship" with Mariah (92,448) (92,451) by RibbonB from USA Singled should have read so glad. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 22:53)

Re: Mariah (92,447) (92,450) by Bill from the UK "Songwriting abilities is not just measured by success, most of Mariah's greatest songs didn't even sell and I don't care if they were a single or not." Um, I didn't say that, anywhere in my message. In fact, the song I referenced as superior was an album track that is unknown outside her fandom, and was not a single. As I said in my message, it's just my opinion. If you think GTFO is a great example of Mariah's songwriting, over, say, AIWFCIY, Close My Eyes, Outside, Breakdown, Petals, Can't Let Go, Vision of Love and Vanishing then, well, so be it. But the fact of the matter is, it isn't. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 22:35)

Re: Mariah (92,445) (92,449) by B from USA In every review of Caution Mariah's songwriting was praised. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 22:09)

Re: Article: Phylicia Rashad dishes on her "friendship" with Mariah (92,441) (92,448) by RibbonB from USA She and Tyler are friends and have supported each other before. I'm just singled she had to drop out of the time that then went to Thandie Newton in For Colored Girls. Mimi was pregnant, thank God and dropped out. Mariah could be good in just the right kind of TP production though. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 22:06)

Re: Mariah (92,445) (92,447) by We are Lambily from USA Bill, songwriting abilities is not just measured by success, most of Mariah's greatest songs didn't even sell and I don't care if they were a single or not. Just like how people try to diminish artists without a Grammy. Awards and hits ain't everything. It's about connecting. And her 400 million streams on her new album proves that so your opinion is invalid. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 21:59)

Re: Mariah (92,445) (92,446) by RibbonB from USA GTFO is from her reality show basic era. Let's see where she goes from here, or there. She has a Songwriters Hall of Fame induction to consider now. JK, she's gonna write what she feels a D, it will be interesting to know what that is. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 21:54)

Re: Mariah (92,444) (92,445) by Bill from the UK I wouldn't say "her pen is as sharp as ever" when she hasn't written a top ten hit song in ten years. Not taking away from her songwriting talent of course, but "I was wayward child, with the weight of the world, that I held deep inside, life was a winding road, and I learned many things, little ones shouldn't know" is slightly better than "how bout you get the f*** out". Just my opinion. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 21:41)

Re: Mariah (92,439) (92,444) by B from USA Agreed. I love each member of the Vocal Trinity but I think Mariah's the best singer of the three and she one upped the other two by writing her songs. She's untouchable in the studio and her pen is a sharp as ever. Even at her worst her voice still sounds pleasing to me because of sunshine and champagne tone. Whitney was my favorite singer until I heard Fantasy and I was enraptured by Mariah's angelic voice and then diving into her back catalogue was an experience I'll never forget. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 21:15)

Mariah (92,443) by We are Lambily from USA Imagining living in a world where you think Celine Dion has anything on Mariah. I have to laugh. Oh I'm sorry her lip syncing skills are so much better. Mariah is one of the world's greatest singer-songwriter-producers in the world. A true artist. Celine is a great singer. That's it. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 21:03)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,437) (92,442) by Musti from UK "And as for range, remove Mariah's whistle register and their ranges were pretty much the same and Celine now beats Mariah in that respect." Except we can't remove it because she has always had it. Her whistle range is not some happenstance. She has unmatched control over it, the type of control other singers would kill to have over something so rare. It doesn't matter where her voice is now. She has nothing to prove. And honestly, it's really hard to know what Celine can or can't do live these days because she is a pro lipper. Although she can likely do more than Mariah, this doesn't discount Mariah's exceptional talent. Please don't make me bring up Maria Callas again, the uber legend whose true legacy rests upon merely 10 years' of recordings and a plethora of live performances throughout the 1950s. Mariah gave us over 2 decades of it before her voice really started to decline. However I do agree that Celine deserves more credit than just being called calculated. Those who are unfamiliar with her French work should check out her album Dion Chante Plamondon. You don't even need to know French. Her passion and the constant changes in her tone are enough to prove how incredible she is. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 20:47)

Article: Phylicia Rashad dishes on her "friendship" with Mariah (92,441) by Musti from UK I've just watched the movie. It's really good. Highly recommended. Parts of the ending were expected but Tyler still managed to sneak in some twists in there. I'm glad Mariah associated herself with this movie in some way. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 20:23)

Re: Mariah (92,439) (92,440) by Bobby A from United States She is awesome in my book. Let's focus on her accomplishments in 2020 and what she will do in the new year. I wonder what are her plans after the Vegas shows. Is she planning a new album to tie in with the book? It is also the 30th Anniverasary of Mariah Carey. Will Sony Legacy re-release the album on vinyl and a remastered CD with bonus tracks? We may get Weakness of the Body on CD this year. Surely, something is planned for this year besides I Had A Vision Of Love. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 19:58)

Mariah (92,439) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Why can't we just accept Mariah for who she is in regards to her strengths and weaknesses. To continuously put her up against other vocalists does nothing to diminish her greatness or theirs. We should be grateful for the fact that we still have our Mariah amongst us giving us her legendary talents, and artistry. With all the gifts she has blessed upon us we should be celebrating her because she is finally going to be recognized for something that she loves, and a craft that we have come to love, and respect her for. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 19:40)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,437) (92,438) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Haha. Oh Andrew. I'd go all Ricky Gervais on you right now and say, "shut up, shut up, I don't care" and leave it right there, but I won't because you're entitled to your opinion of others' opinions. I was just relaying some shared/overlapping thoughts that I recall some critics have regarding the differences between the three divas that they have brought up or brushed upon in various, random music reviews, some of which I agree with, and some of which I am yet to grasp where they exactly are coming from. The post was not meant to establish those points as facts - clearly there are some people in this board alone who already disagree with some of them. And that's fine. As for me downplaying Celine's abilities, well, the woman has clearly earned her spot in the pantheon of supreme singers, regardless of what I or anyone says, so I don't see what "downplaying" them just to make Mariah look better can possibly accomplish, especially in a Mariah message board. I do enjoy her songs and own several of her albums. The woman has always been more capable of belting circles around Mariah, especially these days. She has the stamina, discipline, work ethic and actual voice to still do that. But to me her performances have more often than not struck me as bit more on the mechanical side, such that at times it's almost as if she catches herself mid-sentence, realizes this and resorts to overdoing stuff just to keep things interesting. Not that Mariah can't be that way as well, but Mariah seems better at concealing it. As for Celine's passion, if by that you mean more of an eagerness to impress, then sure. Also, Mariah does have the whistle register and is still somehow capable of accessing it these days, so I won't set that aside, since I was referring to range as the scope of notes she can hit and not necessarily the ease she can hit each note within it with, I'd say she technically still has the wider range, just without Celine's ease of access. What puts me off about Celine's performances is not the same as what annoys you. I've accepted her tendency to overdo things the same way I have learned to deal with Whitney's proclivities for loudness and bombast. For me, it's actually more of her tone. It's polished and unique, but can be exhausting to listen to track after track after track, especially in her standard 17-track albums at 4-5 minutes/song. You said that Mariah's voice is perfect - not too much of this or that. That's my point. Celine's tonal quality is not as interesting as Mariah's, and that, coupled with her extremely safe, very MOR brand of pop and lack of variation in vocal delivery (she does try though), often yields bland(er) results. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 18:44)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,425) (92,437) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Revisionist rubbish. You seek to downplay Celine's ability and appeal under the guise of erudition in order to make Mariah look better and the agenda completely transparent. Celine's voice may not have the same tonal quality as Mariah but she is technically a wizard and, also, to portray her singing as calculated, i.e. without passion, is absurd. If anything she puts too much passion into it so as to make it cringeworthy. And as for range, remove Mariah's whistle register and their ranges were pretty much the same and Celine now beats Mariah in that respect. You only have to watch Natural Woman at Diva's Live to know that. Revisionist rubbish. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 16:17)

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