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Re: I Had A Vision Of Love (92,153) (92,189) by B from USA Weren't you banned? Eric, if he was allowed back then infamous troll Issac Ortiz should be as well. It's only fair. (Monday 6 January 2020; 15:28)

Remembering a special moment with Mariah Carey (92,188) by B from USA Love this. What a moment. (Monday 6 January 2020; 15:25)

Re: 1.6 billion is for total sales of M's catalogues (92,181) (92,187) by Bill from the UK Do you mean monetary value? As in, 1.6 billion (currency) of sales? How much does an album sell for in Asia Pacific? (Monday 6 January 2020; 15:24)

Re: Mariah (92,184) (92,186) by B from USA Unlike in the US and Europe, in other regions albums don't have to sell a million copies to be certified platinum. Butterfly was certified platinum in New Zealand for sales of 15,000. (Monday 6 January 2020; 15:06)

Re: 1.6 billion is for total sales of M's catalogues (92,181) (92,185) by RibbonB from USA Now that makes sense. (Monday 6 January 2020; 15:04)

Re: Mariah (92,180) (92,184) by B from USA She's bigger than Elvis and The Beatles ever were in Asia. So, I don't know why it's so hard to believe. Webmaster: Just read my message. That would mean all her albums (including the singles) would have sold at least 100 million each. Even Michael Jackson's Thriller didn't sell that much (and that was worldwide)! (Monday 6 January 2020; 14:54)

Re: Mariah (92,179) (92,183) by B from USA Mariah Carey honored for 1.6 Billion Asia sales, Adds world tour dates. Billboard. Here's the link. (Monday 6 January 2020; 14:52)

Re: Re: Mariah (92,170) (92,178) (92,182) by RibbonB from USA You definitely came with a receipt and reiterated by Billboard. Now does that number mean other than what it says is the question. But, wow. (Monday 6 January 2020; 14:46)

1.6 billion is for total sales of M's catalogues (92,181) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia As far as I know, 1.6 billion is not referring to how many units/albums/singles of Mariah that were sold in Asia Pacific. But it was referred to the total sales of Mariah's whole catalogue in the region of Asia Pacific from 1990-2018. (Monday 6 January 2020; 14:34)

Re: Mariah (92,179) (92,180) by Bill from the UK This is such a ridiculous claim isn't it? The best selling artists of all time, The Beatles and Elvis Presley, have sales reputed to be between 500-600 million worldwide. Mariah selling 1.6 billion units in one area is not possible. (Monday 6 January 2020; 13:34)

Re: Mariah (92,178) (92,179) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I hope you know some math, so you know 1.6 billion in Asia Pacific alone can't be right. That would mean all her albums (including the singles) would have sold at least 100 million each. Even Michael Jackson's Thriller didn't sell that much (worldwide)! (Monday 6 January 2020; 12:29)

Re: Mariah (92,170) (92,178) by We are Lambily from USA Here is a tweet from Mariah and her plague for selling over 1.6 billion units. (Monday 6 January 2020; 12:13)

Re: New album (92,175) (92,177) by Dove from United States I think One Mo Gen was catchy. Would have been better if it would have been a little faster though. #Beautiful too. Just didn't like the "uh uh" before she sang "you're beautiful" and the video was a little cringe. She looked pretty, and her body looked fit, and the backgrounds looked great, but something about it was hard to watch. At least for me. HATEU, You're Mine, I Don't, and Infinity too. All the components are there but it doesn't add up. The songs are great, she never disappoints there. Videos and performances sometimes leave a lot to be desired though. (Monday 6 January 2020; 12:02)

Re: E=MC2 era (92,157) (92,176) by Tijl from Belgium Don't forget that when Mariah signed with Sony she basically still was a child with no knowledge about nor the insights on how the business really works. By the time they separated she was a different woman. Life and its perils shapes and changes people. (Monday 6 January 2020; 10:24)

Re: New album (92,171) (92,175) by Will from Australia Basically Mariah isn't current in terms of what is popular and unfortunately her new music isn't current either. I love Caution and so many of its tracks but I'm not that removed from today's culture to know those tracks are not catchy enough to be relevant like whatever Ariana Grande or Taylor Swift is putting out. Whether I like them or not, I can't deny that their new music is somewhat more catchy than anything Mariah is churning out. But we love everybody. (Monday 6 January 2020; 09:12)

Charmbracelet Vocals: A Mood (92,174) by 123 from USA I always crack up when I see this clip. It took two vocalists to do it but it pretty much sums up Charmys vocal approach. Still the best album lyrically. For laughs. (Monday 6 January 2020; 07:27)

Re: Madonna accuses BBC of ageism (92,151) (92,173) by 123 from USA Maybe the article wasn't simple enough for you because you proved my point. If they don't give a record a shot and play it for the public to decide if it's a hit or not, how can they really say that their demographic doesn't like her music? She was 50 when 4 Minutes went number 1 in the UK. I'm sure they had no problems playing her then even though she was way beyond their demographic. Didn't you say in an earlier posts that age isn't a factor to older artists getting played yet you quoted my very point from the article that age is definitely a factor. Which is it? Don't switch up now. (Monday 6 January 2020; 07:24)

Re: I Had A Vision Of Love (92,135) (92,172) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I'd actually much prefer I Had A Vision of Love. It's not the most intriguing idea and there definitely are better titles out there, but there's something sentimental about naming her memoir after the chorus of her first ever hit. It also is a safer title since it is all-encompassing in an open-ended way that doesn't promise as much as something like My All would. Since at this point we're really just hoping that the memoir would actually contain interesting revelations rather than a contrived account of what went on in her life and don't really know yet if she's actually gonna deliver on that, I guess it's better that she goes the safe route. I do hope I Had A Vision of Love is just the working title. I'd personally like the actual final title to be something that's butterfly related and less than 5 words, like "Taking Flight" or "Soar". (Monday 6 January 2020; 00:59)

Re: New album (92,139) (92,171) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines You know Andrew is finally back when he goes into his comment-dissecting mode. Fun. You and your signature snark have been missed. You do add some spice to an otherwise overly cautious board. I knew something was off when I noticed that I of all people have started to become one of the more opinionated ones. It felt weird. Anyways, I reacted to your post because I am one of those who have mentioned and will continue to mention ageism on this board. And every time I have, I have never referred to it as if it were some movement by radio stations or music TV channels (if people still watch those) to deliberately discriminate against aging artists. I was actually referring to ageism as a result of the same natural factors you have mentioned that I agreed with. I have only ever viewed it not as an active, conscious effort to push out older artists but rather as a part of the industry that is likely an unintended effect of many causes. But since any '-ism' term is automatically understood as discrimination towards a certain demographic, and since there really isn't a widely known and accepted term to describe this particular phenomenon in the music industry, people perhaps incorrectly resort to using ageism, when they probably mean "unintended" ageism. At least to me, that's what I mean. As for sexism and female under-representation in music, here's a recent study. And as for the gender pay gap, while I do respect the opinions and expertise of economists, I'd rather go with my relatives' actual experiences (there are a lot of Filipinos who work abroad, many of them nurses, domestic helpers and factory workers). Many of them have, at one point or another, hopped from one job to another upon learning that they aren't paid as much as their male counterparts, not for the decisions they make, not for the hours they spend at work (they work an amount of hours men do), and not for any other reasons within their control. Some of them have eventually grown tired of looking for fair, equal compensation between genders for equal work done and eventually decided to settle with companies that still pay women less than men in favor of securing tenure or just having a job that pays, regardless of how unfair it may be. It isn't much of a problem in the Philippines, because fortunately we are one of those countries whose societal patriarchy only results in gender bias towards women in some professions but really doesn't spill over much into the compensation aspect of things, except maybe in a few sectors such as agriculture, where men out-earn women. We do have our Magna Carta for Women which is followed by most employers to help ensure fairness. But we also understand that our situation is more ideal compared to what women in other countries are experiencing. Economists can argue that it doesn't exist, and in some places it probably doesn't, but a closer look at actual experiences don't necessarily reflect that. I don't think all people here blame the radio like it were out to get Mariah. I think many of us actually see ageism (and even sexism) like you do - naturally existing parts of the industry that are out of anyone's control. It's just that ageism and sexism are such negative concepts that when someone brings it up in relation to Mariah or other aging artists, it tends to come across as them being victimised, which isn't necessarily the case. Posts that actually use them as excuses for the underperformance of Mariah's recent releases are quite rare, and from what I have observed, I think most fans of this board know deep inside that the main reason of Mariah's decline in popularity and commercial performance is that times have simply changed, and most have even learned to appreciate and celebrate the smaller wins that she gets at this point in her career. (Monday 6 January 2020; 00:32)

Re: Mariah (92,165) (92,170) by We are Lambily from USA Yes Tj, 1.6 billion sales units. (Monday 6 January 2020; 00:16)

Re: E=MC2 era (92,157) (92,169) by Dove from United States Maybe that was just her "look" that era? (Sunday 5 January 2020; 23:48)

Mariah and sales (92,168) by anonymous from UK Regardless of how much she has sold in terms of records, she's my favourite artist of all time. I really don't care about records, I care about enjoying good music, whether it's hers or someone else's. Putting inflated claims on her output doesn't make that output better, just her fans seem sillier and naysayers have more to mock. I love Mariah and her music because I genuinely feel it's some of the best music ever created, in a myriad of ways. Screw sales, sit, listen and enjoy. Whatever your flavour, Mariah probably has songs or albums that fit it. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 23:00)

Re: E=MC2 era (92,166) (92,167) by John from USA I could've sworn I read somewhere years ago that when Warner was in the process of trying to sign Mariah, their original intent was to package her in the mold of a Taylor Dayne, who was a relatively successful pop singer back in the 90s and have had fairly modest hits herself. If what you're saying is accurate (that Mariah wouldn't be writing songs and would be handed songs to record instead), then Mariah would've gotten songs similar to Taylor Dayne's, like Tell It To My Heart, Shelter, Heart of Stone, Love Will Lead You Back, which would take her on a completely different path, musically. I'm glad that didn't happen though, haha. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 20:32)

Re: E=MC2 era (92,162) (92,166) by Bill from the UK Didn't the Warners deal prevent her from writing her own material? I believe the selling point for Sony, and why she went with them in the end, was that they were going to let her write her own songs. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 20:11)

Re: Mariah (92,161) (92,165) by TJ from Norway 1.6 billions? That sounds almost like something that people would say on April 1st. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 19:09)

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