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Re: Mariah / Super Bowl (87,938) (87,948) by Tijl from Belgium "She needs to wear pants, lower shoes to be able to move around the stage freely and without hand holding, and have massive Diva's Live hair circa 1998." Do you want to see Mariah at the Super Bowl or somebody imitating her? Mariah is the queen diva and that is how she will present herself. Don't people realize she is just playing up to that image and not even taking it that seriously herself? (Thursday 7 February 2019; 10:26)

Re: Lady Gaga (87,946) (87,947) by Dove from United States I haven't seen it. I'll check it out. (Thursday 7 February 2019; 09:58)

Re: Lady Gaga (87,933) (87,946) by 90sMariah from SG I used to like Gaga, until I watched 5'2. Man, she's melodramatic, embarrassingly needy and she comes of as fake. I still cringe during that scene with her grandma when she told her that she wrote a song for her aunt who died in the 60s or 70s (?) and she played her gran the song and while she cries non-stop, her gran was just sitting there nodding politely probably thinking her grand daughter's insane. Her granny then told her to not worry about her aunt Joanne anymore because it happened a long time ago and that she's now at peace. She's so fake. (Thursday 7 February 2019; 05:26)

Re: A No No ft Cardi, Lil Kim and Elliott (87,939) (87,945) by RibbonB from USA Missie Elliott responded in Twitter that the idea is fire, but it was her first time hearing of it. So this is just a rumor as far as she is concerned. (Thursday 7 February 2019; 03:22)

Re: Butterfly (87,940) (87,944) by Bill from the UK Actually the false boobs didn't arrive until 1999. (Thursday 7 February 2019; 01:33)

Re: Butterfly (87,940) (87,943) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway It's hard not to agree with you, because you write it so straight forward. I do agree with you that the raw, maybe naive artist that was Mariah disappeared after Butterfly, but to say the music and image back then wasn't calculated, is simply wrong. It was even more calculated, trying to white wash Mariah to get a bigger audience, presenting her as a girl next door/innocent girl because nobody gets offended by anything, she was a goody goody. Hey, even the "Fantasy: Live at Madison Square Garden" was carefully choreographed and directed and even dubbed so she would pass as near perfection. Maybe to you it seems more calculated after Butterfly, but that's because the sense of style also changed generally in the world towards the turn of the millennium, from black/white, grainy and rustique, to more glossy glamour. Mariah took a lot more risks after Butterfly, and even nowadays she is experimenting. Yes, she has turned into a glamour girl all about money and lavish life style, but her early days were calculated, polished, making her turtle neck just right, everything was fake then, besides her songwriting and voice. (Thursday 7 February 2019; 01:00)

Re: Butterfly (87,940) (87,942) by Victoria from USA Who writes a comment that long? Whoa. (Thursday 7 February 2019; 00:33)

Hero (87,941) by Dove from United States Okay, I just watched recent performances of Hero and some are good. But some are not. It's a hard song and I feel like it's pretty hit or miss. I love the one with the NY Philharmonic - I feel like having the live orchestra helped her sing better. (Thursday 7 February 2019; 00:28)

Re: Butterfly (87,835) (87,940) by Deleted from Czech I see things a little differently. Butterfly, while a brilliant album in places (Walter collabs), really was the beginning of the end, the turning point where the manufactured image swallowed the art and the artist. It marked Mariah's creative transformation from singer and songwriter to "diva" and "superstar". Nothing exemplifies that shift more than when Mariah namedrops herself in "Honey" in that instant she manifested a new found awareness of her own place in popular culture, an awareness that would form the basis of her entire creative project from that moment on, which was quite simply to become the antithesis of everything she had hitherto presented herself to be. It was a masterly idea, really to transgress her own image, playing on people's expectations and then subverting them, pop music's original good girl gone bad. And sure enough, the fans loved it, and the critics finally started to take her seriously. All it took was an about-face and a makeover. One of the things I love about early Mariah is how unaffected she was, as a person and as an artist... She was raw and there was beauty in that. She wasn't trying to be edgy and she wasn't playing into trends, there was nothing calculated in those early albums and performances, no spectacle. I think that started to change a little with Music Box... much as I love some of the songs on that album, the music and the image became so much more refined, things were more meticulously crafted, polished to a nice commercial sheen, almost too perfect. That falseness would find it's fulfillment in the cynical, manufactured edginess of the Butterfly era, which came packaged with a new false image (Mariah as the ghetto girl), false blonde straight hair, false boobs, false singing (lipsync), false photoshopped pictures, skimpy outfits, songs written by committees and crossovers with rappers designed to tap into targeted demographics. All the things that to my mind have diminished Mariah's artistry. So many fans see Butterfly as the time in which Mariah came into her own personally and creatively, but If you stop and think about it, almost everything that those same fans criticize her for today actually started in the Butterfly era. I see the Stella mess of the last few years as nothing but Butterfly continued. She's still desperate to prove to us that she's an emancipated woman who just doesn't give a damn what people think, 20 years on. Butterfly also set in motion the total alienation of Mariah's straight male fanbase. We just don't go in for the diva antics, the "emancipated woman" mythology she started peddling, the oversexed spectacle, the plastic surgery, the skimpy ensembles, the shirtless male backup dancers, the outrageous camp, album names like "Charmbracelet" and "Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel". By the time Glitter rolled out, most of us were already long gone and Mariah has never recovered professionally from the loss of that demographic. I only discovered vintage Mariah in 2016 and fell in love with her voice and her music instantly, I had no idea that she was once an artist with an appeal beyond just women and gay guys until I was in my early 20s. It's a major problem when a woman as beautiful and naturally sexy as Mariah can't seem to keep straight guys as fans. It almost feels like she's been deliberately driving us out since '97. Not too long ago I watched an interview Mariah did on The Today Show in '91 to promote the Emotions album, you can find it on YouTube. She was asked why she had never toured, her response was, and I quote: "I'm an introverted person. It's hard for me to get out there and be really Hollywood and ham it up. That's just not who I am." 6 years later, she put out the Honey music video, which was more Hollywood than Hollywood itself. 10 years later, she was actually hamming it up in a Hollywood movie. So did Mariah lie about who she was? I don't think so. Fame, wealth and power change people. Butterfly is the sound of Mariah's transformation from Long Island girl to showbiz icon, the soundtrack of her lost innocence, really. It's the key to understanding how the girl next door became the girl in the ivory tower. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 21:53)

Re: A No No ft Cardi, Lil Kim and Elliott (87,920) (87,939) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Yes, I think it's real. I read in an article also that A No No was going to be released the 4th of March (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 20:34)

Re: Mariah / Super Bowl (87,932) (87,938) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I think Mimi doing the Super Bowl with a roaster of other big names, like they did in 2001 with Britney, Aerosmith, Mary J and 'NSYNC, would be the best play and a huge success if she were to sign on. I completely agree with her staying away from the standards she always does and really mixing it up with a medley of Triumphant Vintiage Remix, Meteorite, and A No No remix (que Missy, Cardi and Lil' Kim to also take the stage). The rest of the artist line up could be Bruce Springsteen, Cardi B, Shawn Mendes, and Shakira with an awesome dance sequence. Each artist does their own 3-4 song medley to charge the crowd up. All tastes and demos would be a tapped which is what made 2001 so successful. Also... no gowns at all on MC. She needs to wear pants, lower shoes to be able to move around the stage freely and without hand holding, and have massive Diva's Live hair circa 1998. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 18:13)

Florence forever (87,937) by RibbonB from USA Good for Mimi and John Legend. I like the idea of her and a hundred piece orchestra. I hope she's ready and in great vocal form by June. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 17:47)

Re: Gladys Knight (87,927) (87,936) by Licia from USA I just caught a little bit of the Hot Topics and he did good. I hope his show is successful. He's pretty good at. I enjoyed the little bit on Mariah. Now before the lambs get all upset because he mentioned her and one of you exaggerates what he said to get other people who don't like him riled up, he didn't say anything disrespectful or talk about an off limit topic. The subject of tattoos came up and he talked about why he got the Mariah tattoo. He was very complimentary towards her. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 17:27)

Re: With You plus A No No (87,906) (87,935) by B from USA Pink's Who Knew was only a moderate success when it was first released. it wasn't until Pink's next single U + Ur Hand became a hit that the song was later successfully re-released. The point I was trying to make is if Mariah's next single is a hit it could create interest in With You and help it reach a wider audience. Even if it doesn't it has done far better than anyone here ever thought it would. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 16:46)

Re: Andrew (87,919) (87,934) by B from USA Havanna was released in August of 2017 and hit #1 on the Hot 100 in January 2018. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 16:30)

Lady Gaga (87,933) by Dove from United States Mariah is still my #1 favorite artist but I think I've been sleeping on Gaga. She's everything I want in an artist. I loved A Star is Born, Shallow is one of the best songs I've heard recently, her Superbowl half-time performance was wow. She really commits to whatever she does. I also really respect that she stands up for things she believes in and isn't afraid to be controversial and non PC. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 16:15)

Re: Mariah / Super Bowl (87,929) (87,932) by Dove from United States I don't think I can take listening to Hero anymore. It just sounds so sad compared to live performances from back in the day. I didn't mean that in a a shady way, it's just that her voice is not the same. It's still beautiful but it's different. The voice on MIAM is completely different from the voice on Daydream or Mariah Carey or TEOM. I enjoy them all but they're different. It's one of the many things I love about MC - we get a new artist every three albums. Hero now doesn't sound like it did in 1994 and that's okay. MC has songs that her current voice sounds great singing that are just as good if not better than Hero. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 16:05)

Re: Mariah / Super Bowl (87,929) (87,931) by Musti from UK Agreed. It's not enough for the Superbowl stage to put together a bunch of songs, look pretty and call it a night. She would have to bring her A game - no mishaps, no standing there still in a glitter gown. Also agree with Dove that she shouldn't touch the older hits unless she has something new to offer. I wouldn't be mad if she released a Superbowl EP with a new song and a new remix of one of the older hits with new vocals, as well as the live performance itself. And absolutely no midtempos. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 15:24)

With You (87,930) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) I believe that this song is doing what it needs to do and that is get MC back within her older and A/C audience so being able to score a top 10 hit with that particular song with that fan base is just what was planned all along. This album was about finally garnering the critical accolades because commercially speaking she has done everything that only a select few artists can speak for. Don't get me wrong of course commercial success is what every artist strives for but what we should be proud of is that MC can release such a great quality album after almost three decades in the music industry. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 14:52)

Mariah / Super Bowl (87,929) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) The halftime show is all about bells and whistles the last two halftime shows proved that, that stage is not for everyone. Based off the politics with the Super Bowl I would rather not see MC do it unless everything is in the right place and she is willing to put the work into which as we all know MC can be very lazy at times with rehearsal and discipline. We definitely do not need another New Years rocking eve 2016. Honestly if she did do it Hero would be included because if you notice every artist includes that ballad type song with the choir and Hero would be the best fit because of the message in itself. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 14:44)

How I relate to The Roof (a very long story of me) (87,928) by Dove from United States Butterfly came out in 1997 when I was a Freshman in high school. I remember listening to the album and it was so different from what I was used to from her at the time. Initially The Roof wasn't one of my favorites on that album. I didn't get it until I experienced for myself what she was singing about. Backstory: I married pretty young (the first time) to someone I should not have married. When I was in college I became pregnant the first time I "did the deed". I was raised in a religious house so I was super scared and didn't even tell my parents until right before my son was born. I lived in a different city so they didn't know what I didn't want them to. My son's dad and I did get married and stayed together over a decade (with a few separations in between) but we weren't ever really "in love". When I say "in love" I mean: friendship, passion, commitment. I didn't trust him and was not attracted to him at all. I just did it with him because I was curious and he was kinda pushy about it. I was 19 and the only virgin among my friends. I was not talking to my family at the time and was going through a rebellious phase, I guess. When I found out I was pregnant I bounced out of my rebellious phase and I wanted to do the right thing so I married him and tried really hard to be a "good" wife. I was so unhappy though. I confided in him and told him secrets and he would throw them in my face to make me feel bad or post what I told him on social media when I wasn't acting how he wanted me to. I wasn't allowed to have friends or go anywhere without him except school or work. That whole time I only saw my family a handful of times except a few times through those years when I tried to leave him. I like to wear fun colorful dresses and heels all the time because I like clothes and beauty stuff. When I was married to him I could only wear jeans and solid colored shirts that were not bright and no makeup. He wouldn't directly tell me I couldn't wear stuff but for example when I was pregnant I started gaining weight and so I tried extra hard to look cute by doing my hair and makeup because I couldn't control what my body was doing and he would say things like, "Who are you getting dolled up for? Are you going to try to seduce the Doctor?" (When I would go to my doctor's appointments.) Or if my friends from school dropped by to visit me he would be in a really bad mood after so it wasn't even worth it to have them over. Or when I would run in the morning he would yell at me that I was going to be raped and killed. A lot of controlling behavior that was paralyzing to me to me at the time So anyway after a few years of living petrified like that, I met another guy. I met him while I was still with my ex-husband but it was innocent at first. I mean, I thought he was super good looking but of course I never did anything about it while I was with husband. I felt super frumpy and unattractive and I didn't think anyone could even see me as someone to like. He would always be where he knew I would be like where I worked, or where I would eat lunch, and he always tried to talk to me. I thought maybe he just thought I was an "easy" girl since I already had a baby because that's what my mom and grandma used to say. That some men who are "players" go after girls with kids because they see us as "easy". DTF. Pardon my crudeness. Even though I had a small crush, I kept him at arm's length because I was married and afraid. One time my childhood friend from my hometown came to visit me and we went to Target to get a few things she needed and we brought my son with us. Well my ex-husband got in his car and started following us around with this crazy look in his eyes. My friend was super freaked out. She drove us to the police station and told me I was not going home. I wasn't allowed to have my own bank account or money, except an allowance he gave me, so my parents had to help me which was so embarrassing. I was able to finish school which was good. (But not so good because I didn't make enough money as a social worker and eventually had to go back to school to be a nurse.) Anyway, during this time that I was separated from my ex-husband the guy I had a crush on and I started talking more. I liked him because I was sad and experiencing PTSD but he was super patient and always listened to me for hours when we talked on the phone. The first time we hung out we went to an outdoor Halloween carnival. I mean we were not on a roof but we might as well have been because I felt like I was on top of the world. I felt so in love with him and elated whenever I looked at him. When he held and kissed me it felt right and thrilling. He kissed me in the dark under the stars by the car before he drove me home. I feel tingly all over thinking about it, even now. I felt like I was going to dissolve into a billion pieces. We had the passion and friendship part but he wouldn't commit. Eventually I got back together with my ex-husband which I know was stupid but it felt like the right thing to do at the time. I left him five times before I left him for good. I started things back up with the crush guy after my divorce but one of his girlfriends became pregnant and he chose to stay with her, which I think was the right choice. I'm married again now, to someone different who I love and who is super kind and more than I could ever hope for or deserve... but sometimes I still close my eyes and envision how it felt when crush guy hugged me and those few dates I had with him which were magical. The Roof captures that moment exactly. Even her adlibs perfectly capture the passion of being with someone you really love. #Beautiful and Make it Look Good remind me of that guy too. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 13:07)

Re: Gladys Knight (87,925) (87,927) by RibbonB from USA Lol, damn. His hair was like that for a movie role. Yes, he's been doing great as guest host, but it's been announced months ago that he is to get his own talk show on Fox, so this is good practice. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 11:40)

Superbowl (87,926) by Dove from United States I don't think the Superbowl is appropriate for Mariah right now either. But hypothetically (and just for fun) if it were to happen, I would want her to do upbeat songs that weren't hits but should have been: Migrate, Meteorite, #Beautiful, Thirsty, Cruise Control, You're Mine (Eternal) (Gregor Saltor & Funkin Matt remix), etc. Songs from E=MC2 and forward. Let go of the old catalog, we already have enough perfect and magical recorded performances from back then. (Maybe just one slower song from back then and I'd choose The Roof.) It seems risky but I remember becoming a fan of The Who (and others) after watching/listening to their Superbowl performances. I'd never heard any of their songs in my life so they were all new to me anyway. Honestly, the old songs are tired and need to be retired for now. I love them, and they have a place in my heart and in my life, but we need some new magic and there's a bunch hidden in her most recent albums that most of the public has never heard before. Okay, so performing is not her forte but she could still have a good show. Taylor Swift is not the best singer or dancer and she always has super entertaining concerts. MC needs to hire the right people to put this together. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 11:30)

Re: Gladys Knight (87,921) (87,925) by Licia from USA I know he cut his hair before the show aired. That was the best decision he's ever made. Up there looking like Deacon John from St. Paul Missionary Baptist church. Lol. I heard he has done really well as the Wendy host the last two episodes. I think Wendy owed him that shot after she called Golden an oops baby. He handled that so well. I would have punched Wendy in her nuts. Lol. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 11:25)

Re: Imagine by Ariane Grande (87,914) (87,924) by Bill from the UK For two reasons. 1. I've Been Thinking About You, like all Carey-Cole-Clivilles compositions, uses uncredited samples itself, and 2. David Cole died in 1995. (Wednesday 6 February 2019; 06:51)

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