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Re: Okay hooold up now (87,786) (87,788) by John from USA By your reasoning and train thought: If you've ever watched or condoned Mariah performing in Australia, then you are part of the problem too. There are at least 250 known and mapped out massacres of Australian aborigines that occurred from 1780s all the way to as recent as the 1920s by white folk. To this day, they remain displaced, marginalized, underrepresented, and neglected to the point that they have become "fringe dwellers" in their own native country. Please stop Mariah from ever going to Australia, where the murder and oppression of Australian aborigines has occurred for almost three centuries, and where they still remain a neglected demographic by the ruling class (who can afford Mariah's concert tickets, BTW). Virtual heroism makes people feel so good about themselves, doesn't it? If you wanna learn more about the current issues Australian aborigines struggle with here is a link. I'm going to suggest that as part of our battle to address the needs of Australian aborigines, we should discourage Mariah from performing in Australia from now until the day the white conquerors leave Australia to its rightful owners. (Wednesday 30 January 2019; 02:39)

Re: Okay hooold up now (87,786) (87,787) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Regardless of what she's doing it for or when she chooses to do it, the main reason of outrage for this on this board seems to be the Saudi of it all. That she gets paid for it, while disappointing, seems to be secondary. Too much focus is placed on the country that only shows how little we know of other troubled countries as well. It is, as mentioned earlier, virtual heroism - selective at that, and tends to come across as disingenuous. (Wednesday 30 January 2019; 00:57)

Re: Okay hooold up now (87,772) (87,786) by Todd from Melbourne, Australia I would have agreed with you a couple of years ago. But now, as much as I love Mariah's music, I think Mariah does things for money, not fans. So whilst the notion of "Mariah Carey performs for Saudi fans" is nice, the reality is more likely "Mariah performs in Saudi Arabia for money". I have seen too many cancellations, too many "I'm 90 minutes late for my show" incidents that would seriously disappoint the 1990s "forget the the ensemble, this is about the fans" Mariah that we once knew. And that's fine - it's always been about the music for me. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 22:24)

Re: Rainbow / Glitter (87,766) (87,785) by MC1989 from Spain In my opinion, Rainbow is Mariah's worst album. The singles she released are great, and Petals, but the rest of the album is very poor compared to, for instance, Glitter, TEOM or Caution. Glitter is her most underrated album, but the fans know it's a very good album that unfortunately was eclipsed by the movie (bad, but not as bad as they say) that combines great up tempo songs with a clear 80's influence (Didn't Mean To Turn You On , All My Life), with powerful ballads in which she shows some of her best vocals (Lead The Way, Reflections, Never Too Far), and intimate and nostalgic vibes (Twister). (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 21:18)

Re: Mariah please don't do it (87,773) (87,784) by John from USA Please don't go to Spain, either, Mariah. Spain doesn't want to give Catalan separatists the independence they have been clamoring for. Please don't also perform in my country, the US, too, because the US is involved in an illegal war in the Middle East, and still has not given back the land to Native Americans. Please don't go to: [insert country you are currently outraged about here] because of [insert scandalous clutch-your-pearls reason here] then express how good you feel about yourself "speaking up" and "changing the world". I swear, the level of hypocrisy and self-righteousness here. It's like stepping in SJWs-R-Us. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 20:48)

Re: This site lol (87,774) (87,783) by Edward from USA I see you also forgot to take your meds. I feel relieved I'm not the only one. Disclaimer: meds talked about on this post have nothing to do with the polar bears. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 20:22)

Re: Vanishing (87,775) (87,782) by ksquarred from paris The Roof is the song I always play to non-Mariah fans, along with the video, to show them how great she is. And Vanishing is the song I keep singing when I shower. These are two of my favorites. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 19:42)

Re: Vanishing (87,775) (87,781) by Bill from the UK Okay back up and pop it in reverse for a second. You don't like The Roof? Blasphemy lol. When you get to it, definitely watch the video alongside as it perfectly captures the atmosphere of the song (those limo shots are something else). The lyrics are so poetic and the driving beat almost sounds like rain. She's never done a song that atmospheric and moody until Giving Me Life in my opinion. It's a real gem and my favourite from Butterfly. It pains me that the planned UK release as a single was canned as it was deemed too urban. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 19:40)

Re: Rainbow / Glitter (87,776) (87,780) by Bill from the UK Yes. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 19:37)

Re: Vanishing (87,775) (87,779) by RibbonB from USA Seriously, same, 'cept I do like Vanishing myself. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 19:15)

Mariah Saudi Arabia (87,778) by Nikki from usa I fail to see what Mariah's performance has to do with politics. They're paying her to be there, not the other way around. This is for a golf tournament. I'd think it would be better to have a woman represent her talent before the public. However, when Saudi women don't have rights, can't publicly speak, and will be imprisoned or tortured when they do than I don't see how the rest of you can say they're "feminists who aren't doing anything" or "where were they when Eminem dissed her?" If they have no power to be heard and can't do anything without a man's say so than how would you hear about what they're doing? The last news I heard from Saudi Arabia was about a man receiving 80 lashes for raping a woman while the woman was getting 90 lashes for being raped. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 19:08)

Re: Vanishing (87,775) (87,777) by B from USA The Roof is one of my favorite songs and is considered one of Mariah's best. I hope you're able to finally understand the hype. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 18:55)

Re: Rainbow / Glitter (87,766) (87,776) by B from USA Didn't Mariah record Heartbreaker for the Glitter soundtrack? (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 18:54)

Vanishing (87,775) by Licia from USA Ok so I've listened to Vanishing a few times in a row and it's still blah to me. Of course vocally it's stunning, but other than that I feel nothing. My next song to tackle is The Roof. I've only listened to the song twice since Butterfly was released. I've never gotten the hype. I actually never got the hype for the Butterfly album period, but there are a good amount of songs I enjoy. That's a discussion for another day though. Now on to The Roof. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 15:48)

Re: This site lol (87,771) (87,774) by enwar00 from usa Guess what it's up to #3 this week. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 14:59)

Mariah please don't do it (87,773) by MC1989 from Spain Don't contribute to wash one of the world's most terrible and cruel dictatorships. You were awarded with the GLAAD award two years ago. Just be consecuent. All that they want to do is to wash their image, the same as Israel - while they continue to kill thousands of victims in Palestina. You must be aware. You can't turn your head from what's happening. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 13:57)

Okay hooold up now (87,772) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines While performing in Saudi really is a bad look for Mariah and would imply that she's so strapped for cash that she would still perform there despite all that it would stand for and the backlash that would follow, have you tried seeing it from another angle? Like maybe the fact that Mariah has fans in that country? Are we just supposed to expect them to shrug and say, "oh well, that's what we get for living in a country with disagreeable beliefs and practices" and call it a day? I come from a country that has been under fire since 2016 for our president's support of extrajudicial killings in his mission to eradicate the deep-rooted drug problem that has always plagued our nation. We weather over 20 typhoons annually and there are always several in each year that are highly disastrous. We also have political unrest, even war in one of the major island groups of the Philippines. And yet it wasn't deemed inappropriate for Mariah and dozens of other artists to hold concerts in our country throughout those times. They weren't dinged for insensitivity. No one was up in a tizzy warning them not to go to visit us because times were hard or bashing them because they really went through with it. And we did not take offense to that. To us it's about understanding that whatever turmoil our nation goes through, the world still turns and we cannot let those affect how we deal with people from other countries. And I get that each country's situation is different but have we really become too politically correct? And while most news is normally skewed towards the negative, should the headline always read, "Mariah performs for a human-rights abusing country". Can't it be "Mariah performs for Saudi Arabian fans" or something? But maybe it's too naive for anyone to wish for that. Although we can't defend Mariah's actions and intentions for such decisions, is it fair to really go as far as suggesting (even sarcastically just to make a point) that she might as well visit other troubled countries too? Mariah's awareness or lack thereof has been a subject of criticism for years now, that that she continues to be seemingly oblivious to many world issues has no excuse. What appears to be a lack of sensitivity is one thing, and nothing can absolve her from that. But when we give people such a hard time for the decisions they make out of our disappointment, does that really make us any different from them? If we have the balls to criticize, then the least we could be is consistent and do the same for every single similar situation going around the world, even those that we cannot keep track of. Only then will it be fair. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 13:37)

This site lol (87,771) by Bill from the UK All I ever read on this site these days is a bunch of you squabbling with each other followed by a daily check in of With You's agonisingly slow descent down the Adult R&B charts. God speed the A No No remix so we have something else to talk about on this godforsaken board lol. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 11:48)

Re: Article: Mariah urged by activists to cancel Saudi Arabia concert (87,765) (87,770) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Matthew, I agree with your respond. And for the people her bashing about nobody else not doing anything, I currently work as a community psychologist, so don't assume you know what people do or do not do here on this board. It will make no difference for the women in Saudi Arabia whether Mariah performs or not. But the symbolism in performing in that country, you can't deny. If Mariah goes through with this, she can just borrow the jacket Melnia wore, "I really don't care, do you?" Mariah, please, show us you're not completely unattached to this world. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 11:28)

Re: Article: Mariah urged by activists to cancel Saudi Arabia concert (87,768) (87,769) by Dove from United States "Madge made porn or Cardi B performed at the AVN awards?" I'm pretty sure those things weren't forced on them. Feminism is about giving women a choice. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 11:27)

Re: Article: Mariah urged by activists to cancel Saudi Arabia concert (87,765) (87,768) by Lee from USA Well, they were not fighting for her sake (nor any Black woman's). Ain't she a woman? What comedians? Check out YouTube. Bill Maher, Paul Mooney, and Dave Chappelle, for starters. Besides, where was their outrage when Madge made porn or Cardi B performed at the AVN awards? (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 11:00)

Re: Article: Mariah urged by activists to cancel Saudi Arabia concert (87,759) (87,767) by Reuben Walton from United States Which comedians? (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 05:37)

Rainbow / Glitter (87,766) by JDream from US Both these album have the same influence and sounds great in a 80s theme Mariah playlist. Jimmy Jam and Terry did most production and show Mariah as a producer more than on any other albums before this. Mariah's true emancipation. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 03:42)

Article: Mariah urged by activists to cancel Saudi Arabia concert (87,765) by Matthew from USA Whilst Eminem was ripping Mimi, these feminists were presumably working for women's rights in Saudi Arabia. Performing in Saudi at this point, is like performing at a Trump rally, except without all the backlash because most Americans won't notice. It can be argued that the current prince of Saudi Arabia is even worse than Trump. I suppose while she is at it, she can make a pit stop in Russia and Yemen. Folks need a little glitter and festiveness in between the daily bombings. At least for those who can afford to attend the concerts. Sigh. I love me some Mimi, but either she is completely oblivious and goes wherever they book her or she just wants her bag and doesn't care. I can't really defend this. And if the media just so happens to pay attention - ugh. If it's not Stella tanking her, it's some other stupid decision. Come on girl, you are not this hard up for cash. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 03:40)

Re: This site (87,753) (87,764) by Dove from United States Mimi L you were one of my favorites. Andrew too, except when he was attacking Mariah or my opinions. (Tuesday 29 January 2019; 01:25)

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