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Re: Chanel 5 "documentary" (87,172) (87,179) by Gilles from Malta I just watched it, there is nothing bad about MC , it is a really nice documentary, they explain how All I Want for Christmas has become a smash it. The tree shopper where she buys is just fantastic. Walter speaks about it very well. Actually this documentary shows up a lot the extravaganza, how Mariah makes it a big production and how down to earth MC is. For everyone who wants to watch it go on Channel 5 and use a "VPN Happy Seasons Guys". (Friday 21 December 2018; 10:39)

2018 - a year to remember (87,178) by We are Lambily from USA In other news let's celebrate Mariahs new milestones of 2018. She is in top 20 most streamed female artists of the year at #17 on Apple Music, and at #21 on Spotify list. Mariah has 11 of the 600 biggest songs of all time "more than any other artist". Billboard named We Belong Together as the greatest female R&B song of all time and all I Want for Christmas as the greatest Christmas song. Over 4 billion spins on Pandora, 1.6 billion units sold in Asia. Glitter hitting #1 after 17 years. 40 platinum records in Spain alone. And she released the most critically acclaimed album of her career, that's crazy. She really is one of the greatest artists of all time aka top 3. Remind me if I forget something, I stream all I can. (Friday 21 December 2018; 10:31)

We are in the midst of the Mariahsance (87,177) by Richard from USA In the last two months, music superstar Mariah Carey released her most critically acclaimed album to date, experienced unprecedented success with her classic Christmas tune, and even saw her biggest flop roar back to the top of the charts after 17 years of relentless mockery. She's having a creative resurgence and the media narrative surrounding her is finally shifting. I just published an article with my take on it all here and thought some of the readers of this site might enjoy. Happy holidays everyone. (Friday 21 December 2018; 06:59)

RibbonB / Walter (87,176) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Your post is spot on, thank you. (Friday 21 December 2018; 00:11)

Re: Mariah: The Diva, The Demons, The Drama (87,155) (87,175) by Jamie from UK I didn't mind it tbh, a little far fetched in parts but I think it helped people understand her background and as to why Tommy affected her so much. Plus it made Stella look like the complete blame for the last few years. And it was nice to see Morgan and Alison being nice about her. I did laugh at the Brenda double though haha. And it finished praising Mariah about her future which I thought was great. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 23:17)

½ a billion views (87,174) by John john from UK Woo hoo Mariah smashed 500 million views today on YouTube for AIWFC. Congratulations, still sounds so fresh in the radio too. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 22:33)

Walter's comments (87,173) by sally from united states After reading the interview with Walter I don't know what to think. I find it kind of hard to believe that Mariah would only evolve her sound to be heard on the radio. That being said I do agree with Walter's comments regarding the current state of music. In my opinion most of what they play is nowhere near the greatness of the 70s, 80s and 90s. I especially miss songs having interesting openings, background harmonies and being instrumentally rich. Current music sounds very flat to me, if that's the proper adjective. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 22:19)

Chanel 5 "documentary" (87,172) by Billy from Greece To this day, I don't think I have seen a UK-produced "documentary" about Mariah that is not exaggerated to death, victimizing, defamatory or cringe-worthy. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 20:53)

Re: (87,141) (87,171) by B from USA From the bottom of my heart, I would like to thank each and every one of you. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 19:07)

Re: Walter (87,160) (87,170) by RibbonB from USA Hmph, funny that all these people you mention seem to be afforded the "insecurity privilege", but Mimi the diva is supposed to be the generous queen at all times. Bump that, all these clowns need to STFU and GTFO. Lol. I get sick of the whining for attention and credit, whether it is Brenda, Tommy, Walter, brother, sister, Stella or other assorted non factors. Get over it, you got paid, now scram. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 18:28)

Re: Walter (87,168) (87,169) by B from USA It worked. Carey felt that she had captured the essence of Christmas with her surroundings, and could now channel it through the music. Together with Afanasieff, they wrote the chords, structure and melody of AIWFCIY in just 15 minutes. Afanasieff told Billboard: "I started playing some rock 'n' roll piano and started boogie woogie-ing my left hand, and that inspired Mariah to come up with the melodic (sings) 'I don't want a lot for Christmas'. And then we started singing and playing around with this rock 'n' roll boogie song, which immediately came out to be the nucleus of the song. Then for the next week or two Mariah would call me and say, 'What do you think about this bit?' We would talk a little bit until she got the lyrics all nicely coordinated and done." Mariah wrote the lyrics and melody so she technically only needed Walter to realize her vision. Read more. The media is blowing his comments out of proportion. It's now a major news story. He's much better of when he doesn't speak. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 18:03)

Re: Walter (87,162) (87,168) by Chicago Lamb from USA In all fairness, I do remember Mariah mentioning him once this promotional season. I think it was the Genius interview. However, Mariah is the star of the matter. When she talks about songs or albums she's done she can't possibly mention every co-writer/producer listed, that's just dumb. AIWFCIY is a Mariah song, it's very simple. When people look up the credits they will see he's been given all the credit due to him under his contract at the time. Walter can check his bank account too if he feels slighted. Furthermore, we don't even know if the article is real. Happiest of holidays to everyone. What an amazing era this has been for Mariah and us lambs. I'll be seeing Mariah here in Chicago this spring. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 15:48)

Re: Thanks Walter (87,156) (87,167) by B from USA Those big ballads you love don't chart unless your name is Adele and her follow up to Hello stalled in the 20's on the Hot 100. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 15:17)

Re: Walter is Tommy M's silent attack (87,161) (87,166) by B from USA Walter stilll works with/for Tommy. He wrote and produced songs for artists signed to Tommy's Casablanca record label. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 15:15)

Caution (87,165) by B from USA This is an interesting article about how the public underestimates Mariah and how she is deserving of all the praise she is recieving for Caution. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 15:13)

Re: Walter (87,160) (87,164) by B from USA He sided with Tommy for financial reasons and he told Tommy Mariah was going to alienate her audience with the musical direction she was taking on Butterfly which ended their professional and personal relationships. I find it odd that he went on to praise My All in the interview after all the interviews he's done in the past claiming she makes up words using My All as an example. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 15:11)

Article: Walter slams Mariah for not giving him recognition (87,163) by Betty from Canada Walter obviously doesn't know that when MC says she wrote the song as a kid, she was using the word "kid" in a figurative sense, where she actually meant "a long time ago, when she was really young, as in she still felt like a kid she was 23 years old. However, Walter is right about MC not mentioning him, but that is what happens when you wrong MC, she doesn't know you anymore. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 14:04)

Walter (87,162) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Walter is very bitter, those sour grapes that he has been eating have not done him any justice. He wants Mariah to be boxed in which is very disappointing. You would think no matter what he would want to see her grow as an artist. But I am going to say he would not mind her growth as long as he had something to do with it. But since himself, or Tommy, are not a part of the equation any longer he does not like it. Honestly we as fans and supporters should be thankful that Mariah wanted to grow as a creative because she would not be around today had she decided to keep the same formula. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 13:16)

Walter is Tommy M's silent attack (87,161) by Sheila from United States Walter has always been in the background. Trust me, this is a silent dig from Tommy. Mariah is having a great 2018 and Tommy is not here for it. As Michael Jackson and George Michael said - Tommy is the devil. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 11:40)

Re: Walter (87,159) (87,160) by Edward from USA It's always good to know the other side of things. Remember that the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. There's Mariah's truth, his truth and the truth. I read Tommy's book, also read Damizza's book, and there are many things and insights about Mariah's life back then I wouldn't have known if they hadn't spoken about them, especially when Damizza talks about how obsessed Tommy was with Mariah after they divorced and how he kind of wanted to recruit Damizza to keep him informed about her every move to what he declined. I think Walter has diarrhea of the mouth though, he is definitely talking too much, and by inaccurately talking about things that are evidently not true (Mariah made up emblazoned, and that she wrote the song when she was 12) his credibility is questionable. He should just let it go and stop pretending he somehow knows what's best for Mariah. There's also some obvious truth to what he says and it has been discussed here before. Mariah wouldn't be here had she kept on the ballad-only route, but she evolved and here she is still swimming to stay afloat in an ageist industry. When Mariah transitioned incorporating more Hip Hop and R&B, the one thing she never stopped doing was writing great lyrics, but that's not the case now. "Caution" is a good album, but her lyrics are not up to part to anything she's done before, and I'm not talking about ballads. Let's say "Breakdown", that was genius. "Clown" also genius lyrically. So, to write great lyrics you don't have to be locked in one genre and she's proved that. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 11:40)

Walter (87,159) by B from USA Who cares what he says? Him claiming she now says she wrote the song when she was twelve is a thinly vieled attempt to shade her (eternally twelve) just like when he said she made up words (emblazoned). (Thursday 20 December 2018; 08:21)

Caution (87,158) by B from USA Caution was named the album of the year by Paper Magazine. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 08:15)

Re: Walter (87,154) (87,157) by jaker20 from US I do agree. I thought that some of the things he's saying isn't cute. Mariah has mentioned Walter in interviews but she doesnt have to all the time. She is after all the face of the voice and face of the song, apart from being the co-writer. I don't know why he's suddenly being too extra. And to be honest, I love that era but I'm glad Mariah has expanded her creative horizons since because, apart from probably Celine, most of her contemporaries have disappeared into oblivion. It's not always about success but keeping fresh creative juices flowing. He is saying these things because he is not a performer, he doesn't go up there on stage to sell it and make his collaborators attached to his hips forever. Unfortunately, Walter really is a one trick pony, if you think about it. Mariah is a creative person, that's what she does, she creates things. She can't be in the same box Walter is trapped in forever. If its up to him, with his love for the big ballads and big voices, Mariah's career would have ended in 1999. Thankfully Mariah expanded her horizon and 18 years after their last collabs she is still making great music. So if anything Walter's passive aggressive comments is just him being salty about Mariah choosing and controlling the direction she wants to go, and getting success after their collabs. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 04:21)

Thanks Walter (87,156) by Deleted from Czech Funny, I made a lengthy post about Caution and Mariah's creative decline on here last month, and some people didn't like it. Now Walter goes and in a few words vindicates almost every thing I said. It's almost as if he read what I wrote. "I loved the 1990s, because everyone just let loose. We had the big ballads, and Whitney was singing, Celine Dion was singing and Mariah was singing, everyone had a bigger voice and a bigger song and a better song, and more incredible lyrics, and it was a more powerful process and required more talent. Nowadays it's like anybody can do music." "The foundation of her career, the parts that made her a superstar were the bigger songs like Hero, My All, One Sweet Day. And, in between, she came out with a couple of cool ones like Dreamlover, and Visions of Love. So, her big voice lent itself to a bigger song. Along the way, though, she wants to be commercially successful. She wants to be on the radio. To be on the radio and to be Mariah Carey is almost like a contradiction to me. Because a lot of her fans, that I know of, her lambs, love that bigger, better song from her." "It's very, very hard to get on the radio these days. You have to be very hip-hop, very edgy with the lyrics, very sexy and dirty and promiscuous, and it doesn't knock on the doors of the great songwriters anymore." I'm particularly intrigued by his admission that Mariah transitioned into urban music not out of some profound artistic conviction as she claims but through a desire to chase popular trends in the late 90's/2000's. I said the same thing, and it makes a lot of sense. Anyone who has taken even a cursory glance at the songwriting credits for Mariah's albums knows that when she is the main creative force behind a song it's going to be a ballad, and that her hip hop/rnb cuts are largely written by committee. All respect to Walter for making his feelings known. It's very sad the way Mariah has tried to negate his role in the music they made together. I suppose Walter just doesn't fit with the narrative, he doesn't jive with the ghetto persona Mariah's been trying to project for a while. Tragic, because they were absolute dynamite as a team, that kind of creative chemistry can scarcely ever be found. Neither will ever come close to doing what they did together while apart. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 00:32)

Re: Mariah: The Diva, The Demons, The Drama (87,153) (87,155) by Lee from UK Sorry, Walter wasn't on it. He was on the documentary before talking about AIWFC. Damizza was on it though. (Thursday 20 December 2018; 00:22)

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