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Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,668) (85,675) by RibbonB from USA She had a hit with I Still Believe. Mimi recorded it later. About if a one hit wonder. It's regrettable the Tommy didn't handle the situation better, but Mimi seems to get the blame. Brenda might feel that her moment was snatched from her, but that's the way it goes. It wasn't her moment. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:51)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,658) (85,674) by Randy from USA Bill I love you for the 18 reasons MC's voice doesn't sound like her current single when she sings live but how could you forget ear monitors lol. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:46)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,669) (85,673) by Edward from USA Happy Birthday, Licia. I hope you're having a great day. And keep in mind that God rewards with a "Charmbracelet party" to those who vote on their birthdays. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:42)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,669) (85,672) by MusicfanJ from Germany Happy Birthday Licia. Enjoy your day and of course "Charmbracelet". For Bill's list I have no words. Lol. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:40)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,658) (85,671) by Andrew from UK That is rather bloody funny. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:39)

Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,668) (85,670) by Licia from USA Actually she was. Not Mariah famous, but she was known. Lol. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:26)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,661) (85,669) by Licia from USA All jokes aside, Edward today is my birthday so I really want that Charmbracelet party. I'm just throwing that out there. I'm dying laughing at Bill's list. There really is an excuse for all 18 number 1's. It's like he just made a new greatest hits tracklisting. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 17:45)

Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,660) (85,668) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Was Brenda K Mart even famous before Mariah? I genuinely have no clue. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 17:26)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,662) (85,667) by Randy from USA Can I just say I you for this post. MC and fans have been making excuses for her voice for years and no other singer in the world does that. At least not over and over. Let's count em down: It's cold in here (David Letterman 94). They were pumping smoke into the air, Fresh Air Fund benefit (Rosie 97 and Howard Stern 98). Food poisining, MJ's casket, not enough sleep, ear monitors, corset, and now bi-polar. Just on and on and on. At this point, it's kind of funny to me. I can't wait for the next excuse. I'm not mad at MC for the loss, I'm mad for the deceit. I believe something happened before 98 though. After Daydream Tour in Tokyo and before she went on Oprah in 97. I know I know before a hundred of you say it, we're beating a dead horse. It's just that some of us want an explanation not excuses or trickery. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 16:33)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,664) (85,666) by Deleted from Czech I'm chill as is. It's half jest. People do make excuses for Mariah's poor vocal form (e.g. MJ casket and sabotaged by Tommy), but half of the listed items are perfectly plausible explanations for her vocal decline. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 16:12)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,661) (85,665) by Bill from the UK Haha yes of course. That can take Migrate's place (the 19th number one). (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 16:11)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,662) (85,664) by Bill from the UK It was written in jest Chris, chill out. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 15:28)

The Voice (85,663) by Billy from Greece She was wonderful on The Voice. And that moment when she sang two lines from "Praying", wow. It was two or three seconds and yet they show the genius behind her instrument. I can't stop playing that moment. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 15:28)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,658) (85,662) by Deleted from Czech You forgot to include the excuse you proposed just recently, Bill, that Mariah could never really sing at all and it was Kelly Price we were hearing all along, making Kelly something of a female Cyrano de Bergerac to Mariah's Christian de Neuvillette I suppose. So make it 19. Not every proposed explanation for Mariah's vocal problems amounts to an "excuse". That's just asinine. Jokes aside, any number of the things you listed can adversely effect the human voice because it is a fragile instrument that is dependent upon the proper functioning of the entire person, physically and emotionally. Alcohol, smoking marijuana and prescription drugs can indeed have a destructive effect upon the voice, and ample evidence of that from reputable sources including medical journals is only an internet search away. Corsets can damage the voice because they create tension around the diaphragm and correct diaphragmatic breathing is essential for a singer. That said, I don't think any of the aforementioned are at the root of Mariah's problems. Believe it or not your physicality and your state of mind are the twin foundations of your singing voice. It's no coincidence that Mariah's vocal abilities peaked when her physicality was free, passionate and uninhibited and have suffered as she has become increasingly tense, disinterested and static while performing... You may sneer at the idea that Mariah's vocal decline is at least partially a result of her emotional state but that only demonstrates your own lack of knowledge of the human voice. Let me illustrate with an example: I'm a classically trained bass-baritone and one of the first vocal exercises I was ever taught involved an actual physical "stumble" while performing an octave leap to a high note... I would let my body go and almost fall to the ground while singing. Sounds absurd, but that's what we did. Why did my coach have me do this? Because I sang with inhibitions and those inhibitions caused anxiety which in turn created muscle tension. The "falling" or stumbling motion is one means of overcoming those inhibitions, you "forget" yourself while falling and discover a new effortlessness. If muscle tension is present while you sing, your voice will suffer. I'd developed bad vocal habits after hemorrhaging my vocal cords singing for a rock band, I sang with fear, it was almost like PTSD for singers. For a long time I believed my voice was trashed for good, but it was still there. On that note, it is my view that Mariah has exhibited the symptoms of Muscle Tension Dysphonia for some time. MTD is a voice disorder which can be triggered by a vocal injury or can be psychological in origin or both. Excerpts from the University of Pittsburgh website: Muscle Tension Dysphonia (MTD) The term "muscle tension dysphonia" is a general term for an imbalance in the coordination of the muscles and breathing patterns needed to create voice. This imbalance can be seen without any anatomical abnormality (primary MTD) or in the presence of an anatomical abnormality (secondary MTD). In the case of secondary MTD, the muscle tension is thought to be the body's natural compensatory process to adjust for the vocal injury. Primary MTD can be associated with stress and anxiety. Recent research has shown that under periods of stress, the muscles that control the voice box become tense. Periods of prolonged muscle tension in the voice box can lead to an incoordination of the vocal control system. Significant stressful life events, such as the loss of a loved one, can cause muscle tension dysphonia as well. Muscle tension dysphonia is a highly variable condition. The most common symptom of primary MTD is a change in voice quality, ranging from mild to severe and it is often associated with pain or discomfort while speaking. The voice can be affected during speaking, singing or both. Often, hoarseness will be associated with an increased effort to talk and subsequent fatigue or tiring of the voice with continued use. Common symptoms associated with MTD: Vocal fatigue Unreliable voice Low, gravely voice Voice breaks Airy or breathy voice Inability to sing Hoarse and rough quality Extra force needed for loud voice Vocal symptoms worsen with stress Inconsistent voice Voice sometimes returns to normal" I've always believed that something catastrophic happened to Mariah's voice in '98, more than just nodules, something that has never been publicly disclosed. Notably her breathing technique and breath support, which had always been stellar, seemed to vanish overnight. You could hear it in her sudden difficulty in accessing her mixed voice and sustaining phrases and in the loss of fluidity in her high register which became staccato and disjointed. Even her speaking voice changed noticeably around that time. Her voice was likely never given a chance to recover because of recording and touring commitments as well as her own bad lifestyle choices. I'm thinking here of the industry parties, the places Tommy tried to keep her away from. That combined with (in all likelihood) the cessation of any singing lessons/regular vocal exercises after leaving Tommy and the emotional problems she was dealing with and you have a perfect storm. I'm of the opinion that things have gotten worse year by year, there was no real "recovery" in the Charmbracelet era, she'd simply learnt to make better use of what voice she had left. Mariah's voice will never be what it once was, it's been too long gone, but there is no doubt in my mind that she could regain something with the right adjustments. I just don't see her making those adjustments, the passion for singing doesn't seem to be there anymore. I don't think it really has been since she started moving in a new creative direction in the late 90's, into music which, let's face it, doesn't really have much of a place for real singers. Her vocal abilities went into freefall almost the moment she made the shift from balladeer to Hip Hop/RnB diva but that's a whole other kettle of fish. I hardly expect anyone here to agree but let's just say that I see the "Honey" single and music video (or maybe even "Fantasy") as the harbinger of Mariah's decline as an artist, the signs that the image and the brand had started to eat away at the art and the person behind it. "Loverboy" was the event horizon. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 15:00)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,658) (85,661) by Edward from USA For her 19th #1, "Defective Earpieces". How could you've forgotten? That's like mentioning Andrew's lovers leaving Victoria out, or having a "Charmbracelet party" and not inviting Licia. Oh no you did not. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 14:43)

Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,660) by Sheila from United States Rumor and speculation on Instagram of the Lambs hating on Brenda. The reason Brenda K Starr is shady to Mariah is that Tommy ruined her career because she looked to alot like Mariah and Columbia didn't want anything to to ruin Mariah's chances. I thought Brenda and Mariah were friends. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 11:37)

Career perspective (85,659) by Edouard from France I believe Mariah's energy and voice are very connected. I totally understand as I'm a singer too. It's very hard to sing when your energy is low. Mariah wears so many hats and we have to give her credits for that. Singer, songwriter, mother, entrepreneur, global icon. That's a lot of pressure. Also, I believe a lot of bad choices were made by her previous management team. They didn't offer her real perspective and that must be hard to sing when you feel that your career is going nowhere, specially when your whole life has already gravitated towards achieving things. Mariah's always been driven and that's what has kept her alive ever since she was a little girl. That's why we connect with her so much, because we all have had difficulties to overcome. I believe that with the release of Caution, Mariah's on fire. And it shows. And we can hear it. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 11:28)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,655) (85,658) by Bill from the UK Okay so to clear it up and make the definitive list of excuses, we have the following reasons for why MC can't sing anymore: 1. Nodules 2. Cold/lack of humidifier 3. Divorce proceedings 4. Alcohol abuse 5. Marijuana abuse 6. Prescription drugs 7. Thyroid 8. Bipolar 9. Michael Jackson's casket 10. Vocal preservation 11. Anthony Burrell 12. Corset 13. Stage fright 14. Clone of original dead Mariah (illuminati) 15. Tommy sabotage 16. J.Lo stole it 17. She's had kids 18. Nothing to prove so why bother There you go. An excuse for every number one. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 10:17)

Re: Blue Caution album cover (85,653) (85,657) by Bill from the UK Yep totally the wrong choice. The alternative cover is brilliant. I can't quite believe the Avatar/In the Zone cover is going to be timecapsuled like Butterfly, Music Box, Merry Christmas etc. I mean an album cover is forever and part of her legacy for generations after she has left this world. Even the pink caution tape with the blue eye peeking out was better than the actual cover we got. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 10:10)

The Voice Mariah should have been the Idol Mariah (85,656) by jaker20 from US On The Voice she's nurturing and has so much wisdom and seem genuinely care about the contestants. I really like all the advise she gave. Maybe it's the environment of The Voice. In just two episodes I've seen the real Mariah and I like what I saw, as opposed to a full season of Mariah on Idol which I didn't like so much because it was mostly drama and not a lot of humanity. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 03:34)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,650) (85,655) by Tevin from USA Lexing, I agree. I've seen a thyroid issue almost completely destroy my aunt's beautiful voice. It's sad how stuff can turn out. But it still doesn't change the fact that Mariah could probably still make life choice changes to improve her voice (put the wine down Mariah), especially when we are working and forking over money to see her actually sing. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 03:33)

The Voice (85,654) by Brad from USA I just realized, Mariah's gonna win The Voice. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 03:12)

Blue Caution album cover (85,653) by Bobby A from United States Anybody after one month hates the Caution blue album cover like me? I just can't stand to look at it now. I am definitely going to buy an extra CD with the deluxe cover on the website. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 00:17)

Re: New interview: Anthony Burrell on Mariah (85,636) (85,652) by RibbonB from USA I think they sneaked and put Dolo down. They said he was out of control years ago. We don't even hear about Jackson P. Mutley anymore. (Monday 5 November 2018; 23:55)

Re: Always Be My Baby/Slipping Away CD (85,644) (85,651) by enwar00 from usa That's so awesome Billy. I was just thinking about it this weekend and I want that song on CD. The last time I looked it was way more than $6. I have the single on cassette in a box somewhere in my mom's garage, but I haven't had a cassette player since I don't even know when. Maybe I'll be a hipster and buy one. (Monday 5 November 2018; 23:16)

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