Messageboard

Re: Mariah Carey giving advice on The Voice (85,707) (85,744) by Special K from USA You know Dee when Mariah does a really good job at something we fans sometimes don't know how to relax and just "enjoy" the moment. (Friday 9 November 2018; 03:00)

Re: Poor Rainbow, record rankings (85,738) (85,743) by RibbonB from USA I don't like it either, oh my. (Friday 9 November 2018; 02:26)

Re: Poor Rainbow, record rankings (85,738) (85,742) by B from USA Rainbow suffers from following Butterfly which is Mariah's best album. She wrote and recorded the album in three months to complete her contract and with that in mind it makes the album all the more impressive, in my opinion. (Friday 9 November 2018; 02:18)

Re: Those flowers won't last forever (85,734) (85,741) by B from USA I wish you well. (Friday 9 November 2018; 02:14)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,667) (85,740) by Deleted from Czech Of course people make excuses for other singers. How do people explain why Whitney started sounding so strained after '95? It was because Bobby Brown was being abusive and controlling, she was underweight, it was the crack, it was the cigarettes, it was the lack of rest, then after the autopsy results came in it was the missing teeth. When Michael Jackson's increasingly thin and strained voice became too obvious to hide with his vocal gimmicks from Dangerous onwards it was because of the stress from the allegations, the 25 nose jobs, the dancing, then it was the lupus, the inflamed lungs, the painkillers. People have made all of the same excuses for all of the other great singers and more. You just notice it with Mariah because you hold her to higher standards, and why? Because she set higher standards, and she was able to do that because she was a once-in-a-lifetime talent. That her voice is so extensively discussed and analyzed, so intensively scrutinised is a testament to that. You say nobody makes so many excuses for any other singer, I say nobody discusses or scrutinizes the voice of any other singer to the same extent as they do Mariah, full stop. We do the same thing with overdubs. Freddie Mercury was extensively overdubbed on every live Queen album, Steve Perry on Journey's live albums, but nobody doubts their vocal abilities. On the other hand we have people here seriously proposing the idea that Mariah could never really sing, that her voice was always "smoke and mirrors", in spite of plenty of fully live performances from the 90's which can match anything from the best singers in popular music. It must be easier to believe that she never had it to begin with than to accept that she had it and lost it. Losing it is more tragic. Mariah won't discuss her vocal decline because it is in all likelihood simply too painful for her to confront. There's no use being "mad for the deceit", better to have a little sympathy. Consider this: Mariah was known across the world for possessing a voice of transcendent beauty, she was the "songbird supreme" with legions of fans expecting her to step onstage night after night and sing the most vocally demanding songs in popular music, then one day she simply couldn't do it anymore. She struggled mightily with the songs she wrote for her own voice and sang with otherworldly ease just a year or two earlier. Worse, people scrutinized her every shortcoming and measured her by the benchmark she herself set. There was no escape, it was either mime to her own songs or let the world know that she'd lost the very gift that made her an icon, which in turn meant confronting the painful truth head on. She became a victim of her own talent and legacy. That's a crisis of identity for someone like Mariah, so much of her artistry, her self-esteem, her very personality came from knowing she possessed that gift. An integral part of her identity had been all but erased. I think that loss explains so much about how Mariah is today and the path she has been walking creatively since the late 90's towards increasingly artificial and superficial music. I see the cynical, passionless, computerized sound of "GTFO" and her other recent singles as the inevitable terminus of that path. She's finally become the musical antithesis of the girl who had a Vision of Love. I remember in 2015 on GMA when they surprised her with a clip from a 1990 performance of Vision of Love, one of the best live performances ever, just Mariah's impassioned voice, a grand piano and two backup singers. No computerised beats or samples, no guest rappers, no elaborate ensembles, no backup dancers, no distractions that would once have only detracted from her voice. She could have sung acapella and blown peoples minds. Her face watching that footage said it all, she looked completely heartbroken. The contrast between the heartfelt authenticity of the curly-haired Long Island girl and the artificiality of the Hip Hop diva of today couldn't have been more clear, however desperately lambs try to convince themselves that Mariah in '90 was nothing but a programmed puppet of Tommy Mottola. Oprah appearance aside, Mariah mostly still sounded sublime in '97 (e.g. Butterfly SNL and Letterman, My All SNL). '98 was when things really changed. Butterfly is one of the hardest songs in her catalogue and she pulled it off brilliantly, twice, in '98 there is no way in hell she could have tackled that song. (Friday 9 November 2018; 02:07)

Randy/Lee (85,739) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) I agree with the both of you. (Friday 9 November 2018; 01:27)

Re: Poor Rainbow, record rankings (85,732) (85,738) by enwar00 from usa I can see that. Rainbow is my least favorite MC album. Even back then it was the first time I didn't like a Mariah album more then the last, which for me was true through Butterfly. There's something generic about it to me. I even hate the recording. I suppose the artwork is fitting then. Ugh I hate being negative. I did listen to it very recently and appreciated CTTA more than I ever have. There a little positivity. (Friday 9 November 2018; 01:01)

Re: Wendy Williams (85,728) (85,737) by Lee from USA I am not sure that Wendy is a real woman (or a real talk show host). If Mariah isn't a true songwriter, then why all of these other people aren't worth more than she is? Mimi is making her money and they continue to struggle with being relevant. (Friday 9 November 2018; 00:47)

Re: Wendy Williams (85,728) (85,736) by Randy from USA Gee we don't agree on anything but I was pissed with Wendy today. She had the nerve to say MC comes in and changes what's already written and that's how she gets a songwriting credit. Everyone knows MC writes her own lyrics and melody. And Wendy has the nerve to say that Missy is a natural treasure as a songwriter. I love Missy but one of her lyrics is "Can I put my boot on top of your spaghetti daddy?" And what burned me up more than anything, Norman, who claims to be a lamb, defended MC but let Wendy talk him into downplaying MC's role in her songs and agreed with her. Yes Norman, Wendy is your boss, maybe Wendy is your dude on the side, but no amount of money or fame is worth you speaking the opposite of what you know to be true. I'm outraged. (Friday 9 November 2018; 00:08)

Re: MTV special (85,727) (85,735) by Shezz from Pk Not yet. Just saw some casting calls for NYC lambs. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 23:37)

Those flowers won't last forever (85,734) by Lafa from Sweden Mariah is almost a fiction with that spider costume and I bet those flowers won't last forever. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 23:06)

Re: Japan why (85,731) (85,733) by Tevin from USA Thanks for the info Bill. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 22:42)

Poor Rainbow, record rankings (85,732) by RibbonB from USA One does sort of forget about that one. Pity many seem to liken Caution to Rainbow. But after the top three, the rankings of the rest were probably due to vote splitting. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 22:25)

Re: Japan why (85,730) (85,731) by Bill from the UK Japan usually get bonus tracks because it is actually cheaper to import the CD from another country. Therefore, to encourage local sales, most record companies add a bonus track, unique cover, or something extra to the Japanese release of an album. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 22:12)

Japan why (85,730) by Tevin from USA Hello, just curious why does Japan get a bonus track and no one else? Granted I know it will find its way on YouTube. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 19:42)

Re: The Distance - Mariah Carey live in Borobudur 2018 (85,722) (85,729) by Leonard from Indonesia Yep, and I was there. Seeing her in front of me, it feels magical. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 19:30)

Wendy Williams (85,728) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) For all the fans who thinks Mariah should promote on her think again. She talked about Missy being a nominee for the SHOF she said Missy she get in but MC should not because she is not a real songwriter, she only changes a few words and other people do the rest of the work, and MC’s so called fan who works for Wendy starts out by defending MC’s songwriter then turns around and agrees with Wendy so for me I do not think going on her show will serve any purpose because she does not respect MC as an artist at all if she can downplay what in part has made MC who she is and that is a singer/songwriter/producer. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 19:15)

Re: MTV special (85,709) (85,727) by B from USA Is any other information on this special available like the date and time it's airing? (Thursday 8 November 2018; 19:08)

Re: Caution Japanese track (85,725) (85,726) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Relieved that it isn't I Don't. I am totally all for the renewed focus this new album has. Its brevity also sends a message. Mariah seems really determined to leave whatever she did in the last 4 years in the past. Good. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 17:27)

Caution Japanese track (85,725) by Bobby A from United States The Japanese version is now available to preorder on various Japan websites. The bonus track is called Runaway. Seven more days until it drops. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 16:46)

Re: Caution track #6 (85,723) (85,724) by Edward from USA No more excuses on this board. You're banned. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 15:33)

Re: Caution track #6 (85,718) (85,723) by Chicago Lamb from USA You guys are correct my bad, I jumped the gun. Blame it on MaryJane. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 14:19)

The Distance - Mariah Carey live in Borobudur 2018 (85,722) by Licia from USA She sang my song in Indonesia and I was pretty excited about it. In the beginning of the song you can tell she relied heavily on the backing track, but she did sing the chorus. There was a part where she went to hit a note and you can hear where the backing track came back in. There was a delay because the wrong note came out of her mouth before the track came in to cover it up. Despite that it was still nice see her perform the song. Anyway here's the video if anyone is interested. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 13:14)

Re: Caution track #6 (85,718) (85,721) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Mariah has at least 3 recordings prior to Giving Me Life (album tracks that are not remixes) that exceed 6 minutes. Coincidentally, all of them are cover versions: The Beautiful Ones and Last Night A DJ Saved My Life as pointed out by others, and more recently, One More Try which is around 6:21. Giving Me Life is going to be her longest original song so far. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 11:24)

Webmaster (85,720) by Kevyn from Germany I'm just sending you some because you're always so fast. Thank you. (Thursday 8 November 2018; 10:47)

MORE MESSAGES