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Emotionless (83,097) by B from USA Mariah should be considered the featured guest on this song/single. Her vocals are so prominent and front and center that she deserves a guest credit. She sings more on Emotionless that Rhianna did on Live Your Life and Love The Way You Lie. (Thursday 12 July 2018; 02:32)

Re: She uh have nice gowns - Aretha (83,089) (83,096) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Yeah, I guess I get upset too. Haha. But yeah, that last thing you mentioned, that's actually one of the biggest reasons why her current state disappoints me so much. I think many of you don't know this, and I have mentioned it a few times on this board before - in our country (and in fact most of East and Southeast Asia) we are still pretty hardcore Mariah fans when it comes to loyalty and support, and that especially shows every time she releases new material. The Philippines and its neighboring countries are usually the first ones where Mariah hits #1. In our country, Mariah is just as revered as Celine (Whitney is too but just not to the same degree) to the point that she is still considered the ultimate (caps) vocal goddess, which explains why we have a lot of female singers who can pretty much mimic almost every run she does on her most difficult songs (see Lead The Way by Kyla or Jona or maybe Through the Rain or Never Too Far which I also assume they have done covers of). Regine Velasquez, Nina, Morisette Amon, the list goes on. They all can sing current day or even late 90s Mariah under the table when it comes to effortlessness, fluidity and power. Sure, they're younger and they will never really ever have Mariah's tone (though Kyla comes close to Mariah's breathy coos), but some of them, have been in the industry for a long time and still can sing like they have during their prime such as Regine (about the same age as Mariah and has been in the industry longer) and Kyla started in 2001 and still sounds exactly like she did back then. But I'm gonna say this again, these wannabes have nothing on Mariah in terms of overall musicianship, songwriting and most especially that unique vocal tone, but I fear that this won't be the case for the last one for long, especially not with her mostly forced, unpleasant or uncomfortable current sound. Couple that with her current lifestyle choices, ego and stubbornness and we have a recipe for an accelerated vocal decline. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 23:06)

Re: Mimi L (83,018) (83,095) by Anonymous from Mimi L, oh how I have missed you. I am well my dear, even more so knowing your wedding was special and you are happy. So pleased for you and glad you and your husband have found one another. Much love and blessing gurl. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 20:20)

Re: She uh have nice gowns - Aretha (83,093) (83,094) by Anonymous from Bill, I’m applauding your post. You are damn right. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 20:16)

Re: She uh have nice gowns - Aretha (83,081) (83,093) by Bill from the UK You're so right. The thing is, you can, in a way, overlook a pre-record if she genuinely went back into the studio in order to use current vocals for it. A part of me would say, well, at least she put some effort into the damn thing and I get it, she has nodules, her ears have nodules, the band have nodules, everybody has effing nodules. I swear, if I see the word "nodules" one more time in the YouTube comments, I will scream. And yes, she's preserving her voice. She's been preserving it since 1997. It ain't gonna get any more preserved girl. Plus the amount she's pickled it with alcohol it should theoretically be in pristine condition. But, to stand there and mime (lip sync is even too good a term to use at this point) to the album version is an absolute insult to everybody who has paid money to go and see her. Surely you are within your rights for a refund due to the fact she has literally sang 10% of the concert live. And that 10% was atrocious, flat, unpleasant to the ear, and out of tune. What a shambles. What an absolute shambles. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 20:06)

Re: Criticizing Mariah / other divas and fans (83,083) (83,092) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada So cool you got to see Miss Ross. I don't entirely agree the fans are too hard on Mariah. If people are disappointed in her and how she's handling her shows, they're going to be. It's just going over and over ithe argument doesn't change anything and for me is rather futile. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 19:37)

Re: The Butterfly Returns setlist (83,050) (83,091) by Ethan from United States Oh wow. I feel like someone saw this post and told Mimi to alternately switch between CTTA and ISB. So she finally did ISB on Tuesday 7/10. Unfortunately, it wasn't all live. Hopefully, they will include WYB in addition to Hero for the encore. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 18:19)

Re: Ear monitor fidgeting (83,084) (83,090) by 90sMariah from SG You're welcome. I knew real lambs would appreciate her flawless and convincing live performance of ISB haha. Mariah had been fidgeting with her ear monitor for years, maybe to give people the impression she's singing live. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 17:08)

Re: She uh have nice gowns - Aretha (83,081) (83,089) by 90sMariah from SG This is honestly the first time I've seen you this riled up. Lol. You're usually the level-headed one, but this time I can feel that you've had enough of her non-sense haha. For us fans who have lived and breathed her music for years - yes, it is a huge insult to our intellect and sensibilities when she does something like that in her shows. We don't really expect her to sing like she did in the 90s, but I wish she'd put effort in her lip synching or work on her voice somehow. It's pretty hard to watch her now. How can we defend her when she's making it too easy for her non-fans to criticise her? I wish she'd do a full-on Celine in her concerts - do pre recordings and perfect her lip synching. Please Mariah. Please Mariah enablers, make her do it. Good luck to her in her Philippines concert, I've seen videos of Filipinos who can sing the eff off of her songs and I hate it. Haha. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 16:55)

I Still Believe (83,088) by TheOne from UK It's infuriating to see Mariah perform a song like ISB, and completely lip sync it. She can easily sing that song, even with her voice in its current state. It's lazy and an insult to fans. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 16:44)

Re: Criticizing Mariah / other divas and fans (83,083) (83,087) by Licia from USA "Nobody in their right mind would expect Mariah to sound like she did in 90's. What we do expect is a better than average 100% live vocal performance without all of the smoke and mirrors. I don't think that is too much to ask." ^^^^All of this... (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 16:22)

Re: Criticizing Mariah / other divas and fans (83,083) (83,086) by RibbonB from USA Exactly. And yes, Miss Ross definitely has the showmanship. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 16:21)

Re: Criticizing Mariah / other divas and fans (83,080) (83,085) by RibbonB from USA Yes and I loved it. Anita said that's what real singers do, they sing. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 16:13)

Ear monitor fidgeting (83,084) by Randy from USA Have ya'll noticed how much MC fidgets with her earpieces during a performance. It's funny because most of the time she's not even singing. Like what do you need to hear the pre-recorded track louder for? Does she really think we'll think she's singing live because she's fidgeting with technical equipment? 90s Mariah thanks for posting that clip of ISB. She sings two notes and then it's the album track while she fidgets with her ear. I'm starting to think there's a little gnome that lives in the ridges of her inner ear that lives off of earwax and says Yaaassss for the prerecorded vocals. I've seen so many artist sing with those monitors in their ears. Christina. Pink. Mary J. Kelly Clarkson. They sing live all the time and don't touch their ears. Oh wait. Here comes the Calvary of excuses. Her ears are sensitive because she didn't get enough sleep. Her ears are very nuanced and she can hear in other ways other artists can't. Her ears are sensitive when she's in a room full of smoke. Her ears are sensitive because the room was at room temperature. I you MC but you ain't foolin us. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 15:54)

Re: Criticizing Mariah / other divas and fans (83,075) (83,083) by Special K from USA I just saw Diana Ross in concert at the Hollywood Bowl and she sang 100% live. Girl let me tell you at the age of 73 Ms. Ross rocked the house and shut it down. Now does Ms. Ross sound the same as she did when she was in in her 20's, 30's, even 40's? Of course not but damn at least she can still sing, hold a damn note and her showmanship and charisma on stage is absolutely impeccable. I just don't buy the arguement that we fans are too hard on Mariah and the standards are way too high. Nobody in their right mind would expect Mariah to sound like she did in 90's. What we do expect is a better than average 100% live vocal performance without all of the smoke and mirrors. I don't think that is too much to ask. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 15:12)

Re: Who's a singer? (83,078) (83,082) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Exactly. My understanding of singing, as someone who has been a part of many choirs in the past, is that if you wanna sound good, no matter what environment you're in, then there's only one approach - give it your all, period. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 14:36)

Re: She uh have nice gowns - Aretha (83,079) (83,081) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I knaaaaw right? This woman is seriously bad at pretending. I mean if you're gonna use playback then at least record a version with your 2018 vocals where you can do countless retakes to perfection and then play that. Geez. The reason why this upsets many fans is because it's an insult to us - our intellect and our ability to listen. She seems completely unaware (or completely dismissive) of the fact that as such avid fans, we have learned pretty much every detail of her songs from playing them incessantly, as well as watched her perform them live in many shows and videos that we can easily tell if she's faking it or not. She always says that she does these performances for the fans. So realistically speaking, she mimes for the fans and charges them with amounts her star power warrants? I mean nobody's dragging anyone or holding a gun to their head to buy a ticket and see Mariah perform "live", but still, this is just unfair and quite frankly, insensitive and inconsiderate. And all we want is to see and listen to her, she who has inspired so many of us and still does. And to many of us that may be enough, but when it's show after show after show, then like, when is it gonna end? This issue is such an old dead horse that it there is no beating it anymore when it's already decomposed, and I know many of us are sick of seeing it time and again on this board, but it will always keep coming back for as long as Mariah keeps selling herself as someone who can still sing her hits like she used to. And for the record, no, I think nobody's expecting 90's vocals from her anymore. But at this point, we just want authenticity and truth, which apparently is too much to ask from her these days. There are ways to go about performing her songs that she can no longer reach - ways that she already does but sadly not as often as staccato singing or lazily just relying on playback: dropping key (Emotions), doing mashups and medleys (Heartbreaker/Love Hangover), rearranging (Thank God I Found You), incorporating elements from remix versions (My All), etc. Something, someone please help her remember that more than just the high notes; it's her unique tone that still keeps us wanting more of her, and she still has that in her lower register, so why not focus more on that? After all, "range" isn't just stratospheric. I really hope this is just a one-off and she tries to sing at least 5% of I Still Believe next time. It's a great thing that Mariah identifies herself as a songwriter first - she's still good at that, so at least there's an ounce of self-awareness there. P.S. We have reached a point where you can tell from the minimal audience response that they know what's real from what's not and therefore know how to act and applaud accordingly. Give your fans some credit, Mariah. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 14:33)

Re: Criticizing Mariah / other divas and fans (83,075) (83,080) by Licia from USA Ribbon have you seen the video of Anita and Regina Belle singing? I was in heaven. Regina showed out. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 13:15)

She uh have nice gowns - Aretha (83,079) by 90sMariah from SG Eeeeeeee-muh-ugh-ugh-ugh-shuns. Ey. Ey. Seriously though her live performance of ISB blew me away. It sounds like the recorded version. Oh wait. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 13:08)

Re: Who's a singer? (83,071) (83,078) by TJ from Norway I totally agree. I don't understand where he get this from. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 11:55)

Re: "Prisoner" lip sync (83,076) (83,077) by Lara from Middle East She should sing it on a trap beat. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 10:38)

"Prisoner" lip sync (83,076) by Skip from United States I haven't posted in a long while, but wanted to share a Mariah moment I had with my friends over the hot weekend. God, I wish she'd do this song in concert. (Also, never gonna happen.) (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 08:05)

Re: Criticizing Mariah / other divas and fans (83,073) (83,075) by RibbonB from USA Many do on tv tapings, but these ladies sing live in concert, as does Fantasia, Ledisi, Anita Baker. Their live concerts don't compare to Mariah's live pop-in singing to taped vocals. Mimi is still a fave, but not for live concerts. Plus Aretha and Dionne have consistently sang live, month after month, for over fifty years each and their fans support and know what to expect, two divas singing their favorite songs with no apologies. (Wednesday 11 July 2018; 01:46)

Re: Glitter 2 (83,072) (83,074) by Licia from USA The title alone has me interested. Tell me more. Lol. (Tuesday 10 July 2018; 23:27)

Re: Criticizing Mariah / other divas and fans (83,052) (83,073) by B from USA Both also lyp and use playback. Every singer does it, not just Mariah. (Tuesday 10 July 2018; 23:25)

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