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Discounted singles (103,238) by BFF from United States I think "Love Muffin" and "Ken Lee" should have been discounted to $0.49. They would've gone to #1 for sure. "Love muffin, boy give your love to me. My muffin needs your lovin' so relentlessly." "Kee Leeeeeeeeeee, Tuliboodiboodoubtyou." (Monday 21 August 2023; 21:46) this is a reply to message 103,225

Discounted singles (103,225) by Bill from the UK Being the UK there weren't any tactics like this, other than the CD singles being released in "two parts" to sustain sales in the second week, and make rabid fans like me buy every version for different remixes or the alternative cover art (shout out to the UK exclusive Always Be My Baby artwork). I have been known to narrow my eyes in suspicion at the "one week only" #1s. I agree with what you say about My All and Thank God I Found You. I wouldn't say it applies to Heartbreaker and One Sweet Day though, because they had quite long stays at the top (especially OSD), plus Heartbreaker's great video would have helped as that whole thing was a hoot. This is why I roll my eyes when the (ducks) yaas queens lay down the "she's had two hundred thousand number ones" trump card. It's like, ask Joe Public to name 6 of them. Go on I'll wait. And yes, we all love Loverboy for all sorts of reasons (my affection for it is because it's such a mess), but there's no way that would have even cracked the top ten stateside were it not for it being sold for a penny or whatever it was. I always felt the UK's chart position of #12 was justified. It didn't warrant a top ten position, but deserved to knock at the door and be asked to the party, only to be sent away. I've had too much wine. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 22:17)

How Mariah's "Dreamlover" changed dance remixes (103,237) by jaker20 from US It's Dreamlover's turn to go viral and bring this beautiful and great song to the new generation. This is really the song that brought Mariah's career into a new level, from R&B to global pop. At that point, she had 6 number ones, and if this song didn't take off like it did, Music Box would not have become one of the biggest albums in history. This song brought her from Paul Abdul level of success, to Beatles level of success. Horray for Dreamlover. Maybe January would be the right time. Every year since AIWFCIY reached number 1, Mariah goes viral at that time of the year (BIR and Fantasy, IAW, etc.), because after the holidays, the awareness on Mariah's catalog is at its a high point. So she needs a post-holiday release plan or something. (Monday 21 August 2023; 21:27)

New Photo (103,236) by Brad from USA I have seen a "new" photo online of Mariah, Rocky and Shawn's newest son and am just trying to confirm that the photo is actually new. It seems to be, but can anyone confirm? Thanks. (Monday 21 August 2023; 20:24)

New song? (103,235) by Jamie from UK I used to have all the MP3 of the Pepsi ringtones. I have absolutely no idea what happened to them. Anyone have them still that could send? (Monday 21 August 2023; 10:32) this is a reply to message 103,231

New song? (103,231) by Edward from USA It's called "All to Myself". It's one of the Pepsi ringtones she made back when she got emancipated and changed her name to Mimi. (Monday 21 August 2023; 00:49)

Discounted singles (103,234) by Lainsky from Philippines Thank you, Randy my thoughts exactly. I appreciate your informative response on this. I remember that time I always looked at the Billboard Hot 100 to see how Mariah's latest single performed, only to be disappointed with Butterly and Breakdown and wondered why (not knowing then the chart rules) they did not chart. However, I was like, "Yey" when My All made a splash at No. 1. I felt the same disappointment with Sweetheart and When You Believe, but I went up and jumping with Heartbreaker and TGIFY. Oh well, those were the days we can only reminisce. (Monday 21 August 2023; 04:57) this is a reply to message 103,225

Discounted singles (103,225) by Bill from the UK Being the UK there weren't any tactics like this, other than the CD singles being released in "two parts" to sustain sales in the second week, and make rabid fans like me buy every version for different remixes or the alternative cover art (shout out to the UK exclusive Always Be My Baby artwork). I have been known to narrow my eyes in suspicion at the "one week only" #1s. I agree with what you say about My All and Thank God I Found You. I wouldn't say it applies to Heartbreaker and One Sweet Day though, because they had quite long stays at the top (especially OSD), plus Heartbreaker's great video would have helped as that whole thing was a hoot. This is why I roll my eyes when the (ducks) yaas queens lay down the "she's had two hundred thousand number ones" trump card. It's like, ask Joe Public to name 6 of them. Go on I'll wait. And yes, we all love Loverboy for all sorts of reasons (my affection for it is because it's such a mess), but there's no way that would have even cracked the top ten stateside were it not for it being sold for a penny or whatever it was. I always felt the UK's chart position of #12 was justified. It didn't warrant a top ten position, but deserved to knock at the door and be asked to the party, only to be sent away. I've had too much wine. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 22:17)

Discounted singles (103,233) by Norman from USA Andrew - stop this. Stop this at once. You're making too much sense and I will not tolerate agreeing with you for one more second. What will the neighbors think? For all that is holy, I insist you not utter another word of reason. It's as homophobic as Bill and Rob flirting with poor photogenic Jamie. I pray Jamie hath the fortitude to Make it Through the Rain and take even more flattering pictures. After all, we all deserve a Right to Dream (Randy's Theme). I bid you farewell now before Randy, Bill, Rob, and Jaime wonder why they're in it catching strays. And whilst I go, please remember that should you not heed my plea, I will hunt you down. I hope you know this one - I see you up there. (Monday 21 August 2023; 03:14) this is a reply to message 103,228

Discounted singles (103,228) by Andrew from the UK I must be missing something here. "Discounted singles"? My first question would be: "Discounted from what?" People can sell whatever they want at any price in a free market society. As on a bell curve, items are sold at the lowest price that will shift more units that at a higher price that will shift less if it would make more profit to do so? I don't recall in Woolworths of Tower Record or any other music store in the UK at the time there being a standard fixed price for a single. And, in any case, my second question would be: "Who, in their right mind, buys a hardcopy single because of the price? "Way back when, back in the day, all songs were on the radio and music television channels before they hit the music stores. I had rarely gone to one not knowing what the new single releases sounded like - or, if I had, I would generally (elongated) know what the single was going to sound like dependent on the artist. It's not as if people bought My All not knowing what a Mariah Carey ballad would sound like. The argument is absurd. My third question would be: "If it were so easy to get to No.1 on the Billboard Hot 100 by discounting a hardcopy single in the music stores - that is, if the high charting led to further purchases at full price, even: why didn't everyone do it?" There is something so dubious about this "Mariah only got No.1 because of discounted singles" argument that it smacks of disingenuousness somewhere. Unless I am gravely mistaken. But the trouble with entertaining Mariah critics in this talking point is that they're arguing something that can never be won and so they can chip away at her with it. But it can be argued on a test of objective reasonability. Yes, I imagine some persons did throw it into their baskets because it was cheap, as some people are so inclined - but so inclined in *those* numbers? I would tell anyone suggesting that as a reality to not waste my time. (Sunday 20 August 2023; 09:32)

New song? (103,232) by Robert-Anthony from United States Lol. I got all excited today at the library. I totally ignored those Pepsi ring tones when they came out. Shout out to Chante Moore for taking up for MC. She is the real deal. She can execute her whistle notes as well. She recently married former BET executive Stephen Hill who helped MC find new management after Crustella. What if Mimi married Stephen Hill? Chante got her man. Lol. By way Mariah Trends on Twitter posted a video today of MC holding baby Philip with Rocky. Who is baby Philip? (Monday 21 August 2023; 01:37) this is a reply to message 103,231

New song? (103,231) by Edward from USA It's called "All to Myself". It's one of the Pepsi ringtones she made back when she got emancipated and changed her name to Mimi. (Monday 21 August 2023; 00:49)

New song? (103,231) by Edward from USA It's called "All to Myself". It's one of the Pepsi ringtones she made back when she got emancipated and changed her name to Mimi. (Monday 21 August 2023; 00:49) this is a reply to message 103,230

New song? (103,230) by Robert-Anthony from United States What is the name of the song at the beginning of this video? I have never heard this song before. (Sunday 20 August 2023; 20:58)

New song? (103,230) by Robert-Anthony from United States What is the name of the song at the beginning of this video? I have never heard this song before. (Sunday 20 August 2023; 20:58)

"When You Believe" 25th anniversary coming soon (103,229) by John from USA Let's take time to remember this song, at a time when there is seemingly very little we can truly believe in and hold on to. I hope this song gets a rerelease with the Oprah live version added as a CD single. (Sunday 20 August 2023; 19:01)

Discounted singles (103,228) by Andrew from the UK I must be missing something here. "Discounted singles"? My first question would be: "Discounted from what?" People can sell whatever they want at any price in a free market society. As on a bell curve, items are sold at the lowest price that will shift more units that at a higher price that will shift less if it would make more profit to do so? I don't recall in Woolworths of Tower Record or any other music store in the UK at the time there being a standard fixed price for a single. And, in any case, my second question would be: "Who, in their right mind, buys a hardcopy single because of the price? "Way back when, back in the day, all songs were on the radio and music television channels before they hit the music stores. I had rarely gone to one not knowing what the new single releases sounded like - or, if I had, I would generally (elongated) know what the single was going to sound like dependent on the artist. It's not as if people bought My All not knowing what a Mariah Carey ballad would sound like. The argument is absurd. My third question would be: "If it were so easy to get to No.1 on the Billboard Hot 100 by discounting a hardcopy single in the music stores - that is, if the high charting led to further purchases at full price, even: why didn't everyone do it?" There is something so dubious about this "Mariah only got No.1 because of discounted singles" argument that it smacks of disingenuousness somewhere. Unless I am gravely mistaken. But the trouble with entertaining Mariah critics in this talking point is that they're arguing something that can never be won and so they can chip away at her with it. But it can be argued on a test of objective reasonability. Yes, I imagine some persons did throw it into their baskets because it was cheap, as some people are so inclined - but so inclined in *those* numbers? I would tell anyone suggesting that as a reality to not waste my time. (Sunday 20 August 2023; 09:32) this is a reply to message 103,225

Discounted singles (103,225) by Bill from the UK Being the UK there weren't any tactics like this, other than the CD singles being released in "two parts" to sustain sales in the second week, and make rabid fans like me buy every version for different remixes or the alternative cover art (shout out to the UK exclusive Always Be My Baby artwork). I have been known to narrow my eyes in suspicion at the "one week only" #1s. I agree with what you say about My All and Thank God I Found You. I wouldn't say it applies to Heartbreaker and One Sweet Day though, because they had quite long stays at the top (especially OSD), plus Heartbreaker's great video would have helped as that whole thing was a hoot. This is why I roll my eyes when the (ducks) yaas queens lay down the "she's had two hundred thousand number ones" trump card. It's like, ask Joe Public to name 6 of them. Go on I'll wait. And yes, we all love Loverboy for all sorts of reasons (my affection for it is because it's such a mess), but there's no way that would have even cracked the top ten stateside were it not for it being sold for a penny or whatever it was. I always felt the UK's chart position of #12 was justified. It didn't warrant a top ten position, but deserved to knock at the door and be asked to the party, only to be sent away. I've had too much wine. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 22:17)

Bill and Rob (103,227) by Jamie from UK Thanks Edward. (Sunday 20 August 2023; 00:01) this is a reply to message 103,223

Bill and Rob (103,223) by Edward from USA Bill and Robert-Anthony, stop flirting with Jamie, that's homophobic. Jamie, nice picture. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 17:15)

Great topics this week (103,226) by Robert-Anthony from United States This has been a good week with great topics. From rumors of MC's impending return to A.I. to reminiscing about the Price sisters and Melonie Daniels to the impact of discounted singles to flirting with a favorite board member to my failed The Rarities 2 Twiiter campaign, the topics brought us all together. I may have to visit the U.K. this Christmas though. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 23:53)

Discounted singles (103,225) by Bill from the UK Being the UK there weren't any tactics like this, other than the CD singles being released in "two parts" to sustain sales in the second week, and make rabid fans like me buy every version for different remixes or the alternative cover art (shout out to the UK exclusive Always Be My Baby artwork). I have been known to narrow my eyes in suspicion at the "one week only" #1s. I agree with what you say about My All and Thank God I Found You. I wouldn't say it applies to Heartbreaker and One Sweet Day though, because they had quite long stays at the top (especially OSD), plus Heartbreaker's great video would have helped as that whole thing was a hoot. This is why I roll my eyes when the (ducks) yaas queens lay down the "she's had two hundred thousand number ones" trump card. It's like, ask Joe Public to name 6 of them. Go on I'll wait. And yes, we all love Loverboy for all sorts of reasons (my affection for it is because it's such a mess), but there's no way that would have even cracked the top ten stateside were it not for it being sold for a penny or whatever it was. I always felt the UK's chart position of #12 was justified. It didn't warrant a top ten position, but deserved to knock at the door and be asked to the party, only to be sent away. I've had too much wine. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 22:17) this is a reply to message 103,224

Discounted singles (103,224) by Randy from USA Good topic. I think the singles that might not have gone to number one without fans rushing to buy physical copies are more-so Thank God I Found You and My All. Loverboy definitely wouldn't have gone to #2. I Still Believe wouldn't have gone to #4 either. I believe Honey, One Sweet Day and Heartbreaker are true driven by the general public number ones. Non-fans know those songs and those videos stayed in heavy rotation on MTV. My All's week at #1 comes after week 4 of Too Close by Next's 5 weeks at #1. Then Too Close returns to number one which clearly shows My All went to number one as soon as a physical copy/discounted copy was offered to rabid fans like me who already had the Butterfly album but wanted remixes and alternate versions. At least the general public has heard of My All. TGIFY is a song nobody but us knows. It's one week interrupted Savage Garden's I Knew I Loved You after its 3rd week at #1. After TGIFY was number one for one week then Savage Garden returned to #1. Again rabid fans like me wanted the Keith Sweat Make It Last Forever Remix. I remember buying that maxi-single. One store was out and another store sold me their last one. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 19:08)

Discounted singles (103,224) by Randy from USA Good topic. I think the singles that might not have gone to number one without fans rushing to buy physical copies are more-so Thank God I Found You and My All. Loverboy definitely wouldn't have gone to #2. I Still Believe wouldn't have gone to #4 either. I believe Honey, One Sweet Day and Heartbreaker are true driven by the general public number ones. Non-fans know those songs and those videos stayed in heavy rotation on MTV. My All's week at #1 comes after week 4 of Too Close by Next's 5 weeks at #1. Then Too Close returns to number one which clearly shows My All went to number one as soon as a physical copy/discounted copy was offered to rabid fans like me who already had the Butterfly album but wanted remixes and alternate versions. At least the general public has heard of My All. TGIFY is a song nobody but us knows. It's one week interrupted Savage Garden's I Knew I Loved You after its 3rd week at #1. After TGIFY was number one for one week then Savage Garden returned to #1. Again rabid fans like me wanted the Keith Sweat Make It Last Forever Remix. I remember buying that maxi-single. One store was out and another store sold me their last one. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 19:08) this is a reply to message 103,215

Discounted singles (103,215) by Lainsky from Philippines Do you think Mariah's singles, which were made available for $49 upon their release or a week after, would reach No. 1 if they sold at their original price? It was just a thought I have been thinking about recently. Heartbreaker and TGIFY have become controversial because of their discounted price. Both skyrocketed to the top of the Billboard Hot 100. There's Honey and OSD too. However, OSD was really popular on the radio like Fantasy. These two singles are destined to be on top. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 04:50)

Bill and Rob (103,223) by Edward from USA Bill and Robert-Anthony, stop flirting with Jamie, that's homophobic. Jamie, nice picture. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 17:15)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,222) by Jamie from UK Thanks Robert (Saturday 19 August 2023; 13:46) this is a reply to message 103,220

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,220) by Robert-Anthony from United States Jamie, I like your new profile picture. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 12:52)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,221) by Jamie from UK Thanks Bill. Yeah been sporting it a while now so thought I'd update. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 13:46) this is a reply to message 103,219

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,219) by Bill from the UK Absolutely. It gives such a sombre end to the record and feels unfinished without it. Such an epic closer that gives the record more breadth definitely. Jamie I love the new picture, very Magnum PI (that's a compliment). (Saturday 19 August 2023; 12:12)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,220) by Robert-Anthony from United States Jamie, I like your new profile picture. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 12:52) this is a reply to message 103,218

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,218) by Jamie from UK Yeah I get that when you've had the album as a whole from the start, anything else wouldn't feel part of it. To me it wouldn't feel Music Box without it as that's how we heard it over here. I remember thinking at the time why's it a bonus track it's that good. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 09:22)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,219) by Bill from the UK Absolutely. It gives such a sombre end to the record and feels unfinished without it. Such an epic closer that gives the record more breadth definitely. Jamie I love the new picture, very Magnum PI (that's a compliment). (Saturday 19 August 2023; 12:12) this is a reply to message 103,218

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,218) by Jamie from UK Yeah I get that when you've had the album as a whole from the start, anything else wouldn't feel part of it. To me it wouldn't feel Music Box without it as that's how we heard it over here. I remember thinking at the time why's it a bonus track it's that good. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 09:22)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,218) by Jamie from UK Yeah I get that when you've had the album as a whole from the start, anything else wouldn't feel part of it. To me it wouldn't feel Music Box without it as that's how we heard it over here. I remember thinking at the time why's it a bonus track it's that good. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 09:22) this is a reply to message 103,214

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,214) by Edward from USA It is perfection indeed. Even though I discovered "Everything Fades Away" years later since it wasn't part of the US version of Music Box, I've placed it at the end of "All I've Ever Wanted", but it always sounds out of place to me. It's a good thing it is now on "The Rarities". "All I've Ever Wanted" vocals are insane. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 03:46)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,217) by Jamie from UK Absolutely. They are pure perfection and still give me goosebumps now after 30 years. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 09:17) this is a reply to message 103,212

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,212) by Andrew from the UK Everything Fades Away is one of the best unreleased Mariah songs ever. All I've Ever Wanted followed by Everything Fades Away is just magical. Listening to them on repeat now in bed as I used to many years ago. She should have released All I've Ever Wanted. She ought to have received a Grammy for the vocal performance on it. It's perfection. (Friday 18 August 2023; 23:43)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,216) by Robert-Anthony from United States I just wonder if there are 2-3 more songs recorded for Music Box that are in the vault. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 05:04) this is a reply to message 103,214

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,214) by Edward from USA It is perfection indeed. Even though I discovered "Everything Fades Away" years later since it wasn't part of the US version of Music Box, I've placed it at the end of "All I've Ever Wanted", but it always sounds out of place to me. It's a good thing it is now on "The Rarities". "All I've Ever Wanted" vocals are insane. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 03:46)

Discounted singles (103,215) by Lainsky from Philippines Do you think Mariah's singles, which were made available for $49 upon their release or a week after, would reach No. 1 if they sold at their original price? It was just a thought I have been thinking about recently. Heartbreaker and TGIFY have become controversial because of their discounted price. Both skyrocketed to the top of the Billboard Hot 100. There's Honey and OSD too. However, OSD was really popular on the radio like Fantasy. These two singles are destined to be on top. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 04:50)

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,214) by Edward from USA It is perfection indeed. Even though I discovered "Everything Fades Away" years later since it wasn't part of the US version of Music Box, I've placed it at the end of "All I've Ever Wanted", but it always sounds out of place to me. It's a good thing it is now on "The Rarities". "All I've Ever Wanted" vocals are insane. (Saturday 19 August 2023; 03:46) this is a reply to message 103,212

The Price Sisters and Melonie - underrated gems (103,212) by Andrew from the UK Everything Fades Away is one of the best unreleased Mariah songs ever. All I've Ever Wanted followed by Everything Fades Away is just magical. Listening to them on repeat now in bed as I used to many years ago. She should have released All I've Ever Wanted. She ought to have received a Grammy for the vocal performance on it. It's perfection. (Friday 18 August 2023; 23:43)

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