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Tommy book (108,674) by Bobby A from United States Jamie, thank you for sharing with us. I am enjoying your storytelling this week. We can only hope that Tommy's discovery of MC through 1996 will be told on film one day. I would say 1989-1996 are MC's glory years. (Monday 5 May 2025; 20:27) this is a reply to message 108,672

Tommy book (108,672) by Jamie from UK So today I've read the Daydream era from him. He knew which direction she wanted to go and gave her the tools to do. He initially said he was reluctant to put ODB on the [Fantasy] remix but then after hearing it he knew it was a hit. He says Daydream gave her the all round genre approach and finally she got the hip hop audience she so wanted. He says he was happy with this and it had been a complete success. The only problem then came with [Fantasy] remix success was that Mariah was now saying this is the only direction she wanted to go in. Sony and himself were concerned and tried to tell her that she can be all genres she could have everything and have every demographic unlike anyone that's come before her. They were concerned that going strictly down this path would isolate some of her fans and ultimately reduce sales. But Mariah was adamant and this is where the cracks began. I have to agree with him here, whilst I love hip hop Mariah, she has so many layers to her that she can and did appeal to a wider audience. I think she ultimately became too hip hop for her fanbase and ultimately sales did decline. Whilst we as fans know that her late albums still contain some ballads, I think to the general public because she was heavily hip hop and this was the image she was portraying, a far cry from who they thought she was, they turned their backs and didn't know that there were still some ballads on their at least post Butterfly. Whilst Emancipation brought a whole new audience, I think from her early fans and audience the damage was done. Had she not been so focused on the hip hop side and kept her image appealing to everyone I think her sales and reputation would have been more favourable. Who knows? That's just my opinion, I just think it was too much of a fast transition for most. He ultimately says they respect artists intentions but also that there's a team behind them that it's their jobs to allow creativity but also to try and nurture them into a path that they think would be right for the artist and their public image. (Monday 5 May 2025; 17:46)

Tommy book (108,673) by TJ from Norway Thank you so much. I should read it myself, but then again, I have never opened her own book. It's in the bookshelf, resting for a rainy day. (Monday 5 May 2025; 19:39) this is a reply to message 108,671

Tommy book (108,671) by Jamie from UK So far he's acknowledged that she wanted to go in different directions from the start but also that she didn't like [Hero] and didn't want it on Music Box. He said that she said it was too white bread. He felt that deep down she loved it especially when it became such a big hit, but that he felt it was more that she didn't want her fiends to think she was selling out as such. But he ultimately said she was the one writing these lyrics and no one put those words into her head. I personally feel that she knew deep down these were great songs and the right direction but her own rebellious side wanted to distance herself from them. You can't force natural talent and those lyrics. He even says he should never have got involved the way he did, she should have kept it a business arrangement. He said he's seen it time and time again where artists want to move away from their core base. He is very complimentary of Mariah and accepts her upbringing and insecurities but again those early years of music no one was forcing her to write those lyrics, they came from the heart. Also he says that it was Mariah who proposed to him. I genuinely think he loved her and his own insecurities blinded him when she was wanting to experiment musically. Sometimes when people get together it can bring out the worst traits even when they both love each other. (Monday 5 May 2025; 05:31)

Tommy book (108,672) by Jamie from UK So today I've read the Daydream era from him. He knew which direction she wanted to go and gave her the tools to do. He initially said he was reluctant to put ODB on the [Fantasy] remix but then after hearing it he knew it was a hit. He says Daydream gave her the all round genre approach and finally she got the hip hop audience she so wanted. He says he was happy with this and it had been a complete success. The only problem then came with [Fantasy] remix success was that Mariah was now saying this is the only direction she wanted to go in. Sony and himself were concerned and tried to tell her that she can be all genres she could have everything and have every demographic unlike anyone that's come before her. They were concerned that going strictly down this path would isolate some of her fans and ultimately reduce sales. But Mariah was adamant and this is where the cracks began. I have to agree with him here, whilst I love hip hop Mariah, she has so many layers to her that she can and did appeal to a wider audience. I think she ultimately became too hip hop for her fanbase and ultimately sales did decline. Whilst we as fans know that her late albums still contain some ballads, I think to the general public because she was heavily hip hop and this was the image she was portraying, a far cry from who they thought she was, they turned their backs and didn't know that there were still some ballads on their at least post Butterfly. Whilst Emancipation brought a whole new audience, I think from her early fans and audience the damage was done. Had she not been so focused on the hip hop side and kept her image appealing to everyone I think her sales and reputation would have been more favourable. Who knows? That's just my opinion, I just think it was too much of a fast transition for most. He ultimately says they respect artists intentions but also that there's a team behind them that it's their jobs to allow creativity but also to try and nurture them into a path that they think would be right for the artist and their public image. (Monday 5 May 2025; 17:46) this is a reply to message 108,671

Tommy book (108,671) by Jamie from UK So far he's acknowledged that she wanted to go in different directions from the start but also that she didn't like [Hero] and didn't want it on Music Box. He said that she said it was too white bread. He felt that deep down she loved it especially when it became such a big hit, but that he felt it was more that she didn't want her fiends to think she was selling out as such. But he ultimately said she was the one writing these lyrics and no one put those words into her head. I personally feel that she knew deep down these were great songs and the right direction but her own rebellious side wanted to distance herself from them. You can't force natural talent and those lyrics. He even says he should never have got involved the way he did, she should have kept it a business arrangement. He said he's seen it time and time again where artists want to move away from their core base. He is very complimentary of Mariah and accepts her upbringing and insecurities but again those early years of music no one was forcing her to write those lyrics, they came from the heart. Also he says that it was Mariah who proposed to him. I genuinely think he loved her and his own insecurities blinded him when she was wanting to experiment musically. Sometimes when people get together it can bring out the worst traits even when they both love each other. (Monday 5 May 2025; 05:31)

Tommy book (108,671) by Jamie from UK So far he's acknowledged that she wanted to go in different directions from the start but also that she didn't like [Hero] and didn't want it on Music Box. He said that she said it was too white bread. He felt that deep down she loved it especially when it became such a big hit, but that he felt it was more that she didn't want her fiends to think she was selling out as such. But he ultimately said she was the one writing these lyrics and no one put those words into her head. I personally feel that she knew deep down these were great songs and the right direction but her own rebellious side wanted to distance herself from them. You can't force natural talent and those lyrics. He even says he should never have got involved the way he did, she should have kept it a business arrangement. He said he's seen it time and time again where artists want to move away from their core base. He is very complimentary of Mariah and accepts her upbringing and insecurities but again those early years of music no one was forcing her to write those lyrics, they came from the heart. Also he says that it was Mariah who proposed to him. I genuinely think he loved her and his own insecurities blinded him when she was wanting to experiment musically. Sometimes when people get together it can bring out the worst traits even when they both love each other. (Monday 5 May 2025; 05:31) this is a reply to message 108,670

Tommy book (108,670) by MusicfanJ from Germany "As he felt he was falling in love with her." Who wouldn't at that time? To be the one who discovered Mariah, unbelievable. Yes, please share more about the book. (Sunday 4 May 2025; 14:30)

Tommy book (108,670) by MusicfanJ from Germany "As he felt he was falling in love with her." Who wouldn't at that time? To be the one who discovered Mariah, unbelievable. Yes, please share more about the book. (Sunday 4 May 2025; 14:30) this is a reply to message 108,667

Tommy book (108,667) by Jamie from UK I've just started reading Tommy Mottola's book from the point he met Mariah. Still got some to go but I was loving the part where he went down to the woodshop after Mariah said come down and meet Ben Marguiles. He says when he got there he was faced with Mariah singing. He said she was good on the demo but to hear her sing there in the woodshop studio was incredible and her voice was so powerful. It gave me goose bumps imagine witnessing that. He said it was then that he noticed her flirting with him and he had to speak to his therapist about her as he felt he was falling in love with her. I can't wait to read some more tonight. (Saturday 3 May 2025; 20:36)

Tommy book (108,669) by TJ from Norway I hope that you will bring some updates along the way. I am sure a lot of the readers on this board will call it pure fiction, but please bring the juice. (Sunday 4 May 2025; 10:05) this is a reply to message 108,667

Tommy book (108,667) by Jamie from UK I've just started reading Tommy Mottola's book from the point he met Mariah. Still got some to go but I was loving the part where he went down to the woodshop after Mariah said come down and meet Ben Marguiles. He says when he got there he was faced with Mariah singing. He said she was good on the demo but to hear her sing there in the woodshop studio was incredible and her voice was so powerful. It gave me goose bumps imagine witnessing that. He said it was then that he noticed her flirting with him and he had to speak to his therapist about her as he felt he was falling in love with her. I can't wait to read some more tonight. (Saturday 3 May 2025; 20:36)

Vacation (108,668) by Bobby A from United States Thank you, Zachariah. Have fun in Bali. I hear it is gorgueous there. I love Tenneseee in the summertime. There's nothing like sweet tea with a deli sandwich lunch or pasta entree at dinner. At restaurants, the waitresses call you honey and sugarplum. That just makes me feel right home when I visit Nashville. (Sunday 4 May 2025; 00:36) this is a reply to message 108,665

Vacation (108,665) by Zachariah from Croatia Sounds like a great trip. I am visiting Bali this year, all alone. Finally. I hate traveling with others. (Saturday 3 May 2025; 11:43)

Tommy book (108,667) by Jamie from UK I've just started reading Tommy Mottola's book from the point he met Mariah. Still got some to go but I was loving the part where he went down to the woodshop after Mariah said come down and meet Ben Marguiles. He says when he got there he was faced with Mariah singing. He said she was good on the demo but to hear her sing there in the woodshop studio was incredible and her voice was so powerful. It gave me goose bumps imagine witnessing that. He said it was then that he noticed her flirting with him and he had to speak to his therapist about her as he felt he was falling in love with her. I can't wait to read some more tonight. (Saturday 3 May 2025; 20:36)

I am bipolar about Walter A (108,666) by Randy from USA So here's my two cents. A lot of you are excited that she could work with him again. Even I raised my eyebrows when I found out he was producing the Streisand song. I swear he's the dude that was among the attendees at that table where Tommy put that knife to her throat and he said nothing. Turned his eyes and went home to sleep. And that's their break. That's my theory. Anyway my favorite album is Butterfly. My favorite songs on the album are Butterfly, My All and Close My Eyes. They are his productions. So yeah they made magic together. But if you get into her catalogue deeply, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were his replacements and they did an amazing job with Petals, Against All Odds. Through The Rain is one of my favorites. Let's not talk about Big Jim Wright and Languishing. So did MC really need Walter A for great ballads/introspective songs? Could it be what she's been saying all along, all she needs is a good piano player because she can play but she's terrible? If I hear her say that again, by the way, I'm gonna stab myself in the tongue with a fork. So what do we need Walter A for and what are we excited about again? (Saturday 3 May 2025; 20:34)

Vacation (108,665) by Zachariah from Croatia Sounds like a great trip. I am visiting Bali this year, all alone. Finally. I hate traveling with others. (Saturday 3 May 2025; 11:43) this is a reply to message 108,659

Vacation (108,659) by Bobby A from United States Thank you, Shezz. I am headed to Nashville, Tennessee. I haven't been since I moved to Austin, Texas. It looks like I will have to stay an additional 2 years here in Austin to save some moving money. I am so excited to get back to Nashville because they have the best CD/vinyl record shops and restaurants. Do you have any vacations plans? (Friday 2 May 2025; 18:57)

401k (108,664) by Zachariah from Croatia I still don't get what does that have to do with Mariah. (Saturday 3 May 2025; 11:42) this is a reply to message 108,662

401k (108,662) by TJ from Norway 401K I believe is an American thing about retirement and savings. I guess it was a poisoning reply, that shouldn't been on the board. I might be wrong, because I don't know the system there. (Friday 2 May 2025; 20:51)

Daydream (108,663) by Stacey from USA Who really knows? I'm just offering up a theory. Still bugs me that 30 years later MC went home that night empty-handed. Such an amazing album that deserved those awards. (Saturday 3 May 2025; 02:58) this is a reply to message 108,658

Daydream (108,658) by MusicfanJ from Germany It's an interesting thought. Who really knows what was going on behind "closed doors"? I do believe Tommy wasn't so hapyy with Daydream (Fantasy, remix with Da Brat, the house remix "Daydream interlude" on the album and of course "Looking in"). But because of the extreme commercial success around the world (Daydream went to number one in almost every country) plus the records from the US charts, he must be pleased at last. The Grammy would have been the cherry on the cake at that time. (Friday 2 May 2025; 14:46)

401k (108,662) by TJ from Norway 401K I believe is an American thing about retirement and savings. I guess it was a poisoning reply, that shouldn't been on the board. I might be wrong, because I don't know the system there. (Friday 2 May 2025; 20:51) this is a reply to message 108,657

401k (108,657) by Zachariah from Croatia I had to google what does that mean and I am still not sure did I get it right. It is exhausting to read these comments. (Friday 2 May 2025; 11:11)

MTV90's (108,661) by TJ from Norway Has finally started to air programs worth the time. On Tuesday next week it's MC unplugged, and I hope for some music videos soon. They air 1 hour shows of big names all the time now. (Friday 2 May 2025; 20:33)

Favorite songs (108,660) by Anonymous from USA Honey. Sweetheart. Crybaby. Just to be around you. There's got to be a way. Obsessed? Sprung? Did I do that? Do you think of me? I didn't mean to turn you on. Got a thing 4 you. Shake it off. Migrate. Melt away. Want you. Vanishing. Fly like a bird. Fly away. Forever. I wish you well. I still believe. Someday. One sweet day, Without you, Up out my face, I'll be there through the rain. Lead the way. Make it happen. Yes, and. For the record. You got me. It's a wrap. It's like that. What more can I give? Thanks 4 nothing'. Clown. Bye bye. Honorable mention to GTFO. Just some of my favorite songs. (Friday 2 May 2025; 19:06)

Vacation (108,659) by Bobby A from United States Thank you, Shezz. I am headed to Nashville, Tennessee. I haven't been since I moved to Austin, Texas. It looks like I will have to stay an additional 2 years here in Austin to save some moving money. I am so excited to get back to Nashville because they have the best CD/vinyl record shops and restaurants. Do you have any vacations plans? (Friday 2 May 2025; 18:57) this is a reply to message 108,656

Vacation (108,656) by Shezz from Pk Have a great vacation Bobby A. Where are you going? I can't wait for the re-energized Bobby. (Friday 2 May 2025; 06:26)

Daydream (108,658) by MusicfanJ from Germany It's an interesting thought. Who really knows what was going on behind "closed doors"? I do believe Tommy wasn't so hapyy with Daydream (Fantasy, remix with Da Brat, the house remix "Daydream interlude" on the album and of course "Looking in"). But because of the extreme commercial success around the world (Daydream went to number one in almost every country) plus the records from the US charts, he must be pleased at last. The Grammy would have been the cherry on the cake at that time. (Friday 2 May 2025; 14:46) this is a reply to message 108,651

Daydream (108,651) by Stacey from USA I hear what you're saying. I just can't help but think Tommy wanted her to lose more than winning would have benefit him. Daydream definitely has an R&B sound to it, even the ballads. (Friday 2 May 2025; 01:01)

401k (108,657) by Zachariah from Croatia I had to google what does that mean and I am still not sure did I get it right. It is exhausting to read these comments. (Friday 2 May 2025; 11:11)

Vacation (108,656) by Shezz from Pk Have a great vacation Bobby A. Where are you going? I can't wait for the re-energized Bobby. (Friday 2 May 2025; 06:26) this is a reply to message 108,650

Article: What else does the Hall of Fame want from Mariah? (108,650) by Bobby A from United States Things will get better soon. I just know it. I am going on my first summer vacation in two years. (Thursday 1 May 2025; 23:32)

Discussion (108,655) by Stacey from USA See message 108,646. I bet poor Eddie feels insulted, lol. I'm so happy I could make you feel better. You are so welcome. Have a nice day. (Friday 2 May 2025; 06:07) this is a reply to message 108,653

Discussion (108,653) by Anonymous from USA Some of us are not here sorely for your amusement. Sorry I’m not Edward or whoever. There, I feel lighter already. Thanks. (Friday 2 May 2025; 02:16)

Discussion (108,654) by Edward from USA Why are you being so bitchy? Your comment was so uncalled for. How did you go from 1995 music to 2025 politics? Last time I checked, none of the tracks on Daydream is titled 401K. (Friday 2 May 2025; 04:23) this is a reply to message 108,653

Discussion (108,653) by Anonymous from USA Some of us are not here sorely for your amusement. Sorry I’m not Edward or whoever. There, I feel lighter already. Thanks. (Friday 2 May 2025; 02:16)

Discussion (108,653) by Anonymous from USA Some of us are not here sorely for your amusement. Sorry I’m not Edward or whoever. There, I feel lighter already. Thanks. (Friday 2 May 2025; 02:16) this is a reply to message 108,652

Discussion (108,652) by Stacey from USA Some folks need to lighten up and enjoy the discussion. It can be fun to let the conspiracy side out of the mind once in a while. Edward understood the assignment. Others need to study harder. (Friday 2 May 2025; 01:09)

Discussion (108,652) by Stacey from USA Some folks need to lighten up and enjoy the discussion. It can be fun to let the conspiracy side out of the mind once in a while. Edward understood the assignment. Others need to study harder. (Friday 2 May 2025; 01:09) this is a reply to message 108,647

Article: What else does the Hall of Fame want from Mariah? (108,647) by Anonymous from USA Don't forget to stretch when reaching so high, don't wanna pull a muscle. I hope your 401 K wasn't flushed down the toilet with this new admin. (Thursday 1 May 2025; 16:56)

Daydream (108,651) by Stacey from USA I hear what you're saying. I just can't help but think Tommy wanted her to lose more than winning would have benefit him. Daydream definitely has an R&B sound to it, even the ballads. (Friday 2 May 2025; 01:01) this is a reply to message 108,646

Article: What else does the Hall of Fame want from Mariah? (108,646) by Edward from USA But Daydream was a pop album with just a grain of R&B on two tracks. Tommy had a lot at stake, Mariah's win would've been his too. (Thursday 1 May 2025; 06:18)

Article: What else does the Hall of Fame want from Mariah? (108,650) by Bobby A from United States Things will get better soon. I just know it. I am going on my first summer vacation in two years. (Thursday 1 May 2025; 23:32) this is a reply to message 108,647

Article: What else does the Hall of Fame want from Mariah? (108,647) by Anonymous from USA Don't forget to stretch when reaching so high, don't wanna pull a muscle. I hope your 401 K wasn't flushed down the toilet with this new admin. (Thursday 1 May 2025; 16:56)

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