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Re: O.O.C. (62,681) (62,685) by enwar00 from usa It's scarier than Stella. Yikes. (Thursday 26 May 2016; 3:34)

Re: Changed my avatar (62,660) (62,684) by enwar00 from usa Love the new avatar. (Thursday 26 May 2016; 3:28)

Re: Celine vs Aretha and Patti (62,669) (62,683) by MC1989 from Spain Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Edith Piaf, Nina Simone, Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner, Cher, Barbra Streisand, Janis Joplin, Etta James, Diana Ross, Patti Smith, Annie Lennox, Cyndi Lauper, Madonna, Stevie Nicks, Whitney, and of course Celine and Mariah among many others belong to a league of singers who became legends. They are unique in ther fields for their different skills. I don't understand the need of bringing them face to face, the "artist versus artist" thing. They can be compared but in a good way, I'm tired of the "vs" thing. How can you say Whitney couldn't do gymnastics? Search her early performances from 1983 to 1990. Celine and Mariah have very different and ditinguished voices but especially very different styles. I love Celine and by the way, as a fan I noticed that she lip synched most part of The Show Must Go Own at the BBMA. She still has a great voice but in the past years she uses pre-recorded vocals very often, the difference with Mariah in this aspect is that Mariah doesn't know how to do playback, when Mariah lips, usually it's very obvious. When Celine does it only a few will notice. Anyway, both are two of the greatest female voices and they still sound powerful and still have an unique sound, but they are completely different. (Thursday 26 May 2016; 1:15)

Re: Celine vs Aretha and Patti (62,677) (62,682) by Giovanni from USA Oh please, don't be mad. (Thursday 26 May 2016; 0:49)

O.O.C. (62,681) by Billy from Greece I'll echo only a couple of people here (lamb included): the messageboard has gone totally O.O.C. Bye. (Thursday 26 May 2016; 0:19)

Re: New music (62,670) (62,679) by Seth M from South Africa I hear what you say but my concern is that Mariah is 46 years old. Putting out records when she is 50 will not make it easy to garner hits. Despite her age, she will probably still try to do sexy songs and videos like YME. If she does then the public will make a mockery of her trying to act sexy at 50. While she is still relatively young, it would be best if she can put out new music now. (Thursday 26 May 2016; 0:10)

Re: Celine vs Aretha and Patti (62,677) (62,678) by RibbonB from USA Yes Aretha did. That divas live performance is simply electric and to think that the queen of soul still slayed this last December at the Kennedy Center honors for Carole King. She sang that song with all her years of soul and pain and dropped the mink coat for the show stopper. Mariah even pays homage to the queen of soul to this day as recently as WWHL. I love that about Mariah. I love to re read the NY Times review of that Divas performance, it makes one feel as if they are in that moment and even they said Mariah was the only one who could remotely perform next to the queen of soul. Lol but it's all a matter of opinion and taste, so the argument can go on and on. (Thursday 26 May 2016; 0:09)

Re: Celine vs Aretha and Patti (62,669) (62,677) by Bill from the UK Aretha past her prime? Please. She ran circles around everyone that evening, including Mariah. Mariah had the sense to realise that and respectfully held back. Aretha was by far and away the best performer that night. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 23:47)

Credit vs. blame (62,676) by RibbonB from USA I adore Mariah's music and I give her full credit for what her area of expertise is and that is singing. She has also developed some other side skills and I applaud her for trying other things. I notice lots of other people love to attribute her successes to other people, be it Tommy, Walter, Benny etc etc. Well Mariah does the singing, writing and the interviews for good or for bad. Now Stella wants to be in Mariah's light, but she is eclipsing it in my opinion, she is acting very parasitic. Perhaps if she spent her time doing what she should do best then I'd give her more credit. I have stated many times that Mariah must approve of things, so she will live with the consequences and the rewards. But I'm going to speak my mind, I really care about her as a person and an artist. I applaud Lee for speaking his truth too. Stella should stay in her lane. Mariah is used to being the hostest with the mostest as they say, but she has gotten hurt in the process. She is in charge, but fans can speak up. I think Stella is a parasite. But M is the host, she will pluck her off if and when she can or wants to. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 22:50)

Re: Stella (62,671) (62,675) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I too am glad to see a lot of people speaking out against Stella now. Previously only few of us were talking about it and then 10 people would come and slaughter us. Now people are finally seeing through this facade. I am not taking the blame off Mariah, because she should have known better but I am glad people are seeing that Stella is not all that she was hyped up to be and clearly has other agendas. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 22:14)

Re: The blame game (62,673) (62,674) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Excellent post Marissa. I agree with everything you said. Couldn't have said it better. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 22:11)

Re: The blame game (62,658) (62,673) by Marissa from USA My issue is that Mariah does not appear to be passionate about any of the business ventures/side projects that she's taken on which makes it look like she keeps selling out for a check. Mariah is not trying to build a business empire like Jessica Alba, Jessica Simpson or Kathy Ireland. She just dabbles in things, barely promotes them and never speaks of them again which makes it obvious what her motivation is. The only thing Mariah has been consistently passionate about (although it has waned lately) is music. The only side project that I think she (and the public) loved were the perfumes. Everything else just waters down her focus on what made her a legend to begin with. If she's done with music than she needs to come out and say it, but as long as she keeps saying that music is still inside her then she needs to stop contradicting herself by treating it like an afterthought. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:42)

Re: The blame game (62,661) (62,672) by Mara from United States Completely agree Licia. I feel it all does come down to Mariah in the end. And I know we can blame those around her but Mariah is the boss at the end of the day. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:42)

Stella (62,671) by Giovanni from USA Scares me too. It's good to know other fans see right through her. Hopefully Mariah will too. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:34)

New music (62,670) by Giovanni from USA Mariah definitely doesn't look focused on new music. But I'm sure she has plenty of recorded tracks by now. As much as I want a new era to start, I'd rather Mariah take all the time she needs to perfect the next album. We need a hit one not just a decent one. My hopes for the new album is for it to be another memorable masterpiece. As well as it being worthy for Grammy nominations. I know they have always robbed her, but at least having her nominated would be good enough. I have always wondered if Mariah will ever win another Grammy. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:27)

Celine vs Aretha and Patti (62,669) by Giovanni from USA Mariah did not out sing Celine in "You make me feel like a natural women". But she out shined her with all her performances. Celine looked like a fool trying to out do a legend like Aretha Franklin. She had the advantage because Aretha was past her prime. But best believe young Aretha would easily destroy Celine. And if Patti had been there she would have shut Celine down as well. Patti was 10x the singer Celine is. Which is why in my opinion her and Mariah are the two best female voices in music history. I feel I'm counting out Whitney but Whitney could never do vocal gymnastics or high notes like Miss Labelle. Celine is in my top five best female singers of all time. But she's number five in my book. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:12)

Re: When success has many colors (62,665) (62,668) by Licia from USA People aren't missing the big picture or the other opportunities. I'm happy that she's found other ways to make income and remain in the public eye. Even though that's that's not what I want from her I'll never knock her for doing the side gigs because she has two little innocent people that she's responsible for. My issue is she seems to be abandoning the very thing that made her a star in the first place and most of us here only care about the music. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 20:58)

Re: Stella (62,663) (62,666) by MusicfanJ from Germany Stella scares me too. I would feel very uncomfortable with such a person. Imagine she is your colleague, uh she looks so fake. The eyes are screaming for dollar notes and fame. I would like to know how the managers from Alicia Keys, Lady Gaga or Adele looks like. Mariah needs a good professional one, who's not telling her it's cool and the only way to get attention to act like a fallen Disneystar and playing with the media. That's not Mariah's style. But the showbiz is so crazy, you must trust someone who is not only interested in money, art and being creative and free is the key to feel real happy. And the people who are none fans will take an artist more serious. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 20:33)

When success has many colors (62,665) by Nikki from usa I don't know how "cheesy" having the most watched movie on the Hallmark channel is. I know it's successful and an opportunity. It's not a subject of "blame" if an enterprise doesn't go well unless there's actual sabotage involved. When it comes to the blame game there's 2 extremes on this board. The negative Nancies blame Mariah for everything that goes wrong. JD doesn't book Mariah any new appearances and doesn't have her roster filled to push her album or even after her album release, let's blame Mariah. Someone steals music from her which ruins her movie and she loses her job, well Mariah's being petty and ruining her own reputation by not braiding that girl's hair, isn't she? The over positive fans go the other way and blame everyone else. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't. Somethings require a group effort and if the group as a whole isn't giving their all then it fails. Mariah has already reached the pinnacle of success in music, so I don't blame her for wanting to try new things. This Hallmark deal gets her right in front of the 40 something crowd who buy a bulk of the albums these days, so I don't see that as a bad business move. Her lipstick and children's book last year helped her single reach #11. It has the potential to hit #1 this year. Labels are on their way out and Mariah's doing exactly what I always wanted her to do. She's branching out into other media platforms solo, so she can call her own shots. Whether it's a movie, a lipstick, a book, a perfume, a commercial, or a series they all can have a song attached. I think some of you are missing the big picture and the real opportunities here. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 19:45)

Re: The blame game (62,658) (62,664) by TJ from Norway I don't agree with you at your statement about "from the beginning". Back in 1993/94 Mariah said in interviews that she would not do movies or go in that direction, because she didn't like how musicians tried to reinvent their career (probably talking about Madonna). People should stick to what they were good at. Mariah is good at making music, or at least she can be. She's not a good actress. On the other hand, I loved her concert. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 19:27)

Stella (62,663) by Butterfly from This is beyond her career. We know Mariah has been making bad career choices. I have never been worried about a Mariah employee in my 19 years of being a fan. I'm not being delusional or overreacting. Stella has entered her life and all of a sudden she changed for the worse. Lap dance, drunk clubbing, weird ig pictures, reality show, moving to Kardashian land, cursing at the paps etc. I don't want to go to far on here but her jewelry and eyes scares me (...). We know what happened with MJ and Whitney. People are fake and act like they care about them but they just want money (in Stella's case also fame). God bless Mariah. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 19:19)

Re: The blame game (62,656) (62,661) by Licia from USA Mariah is always my go to person when it comes to blame. I'm well aware that if music was her number one priority and she really wanted to get back into the studio she would do so with or without Stella's approval. She is the boss after all and she can say no to the side deals if she chooses to. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 17:42)

Changed my avatar (62,660) by Susana from USA Webmaster, I changed my avatar. If you could change it on my first post and delete this message please thanks so much. [Webmaster: If you change your avatar, all your posts will show the new avatar, even the ones from years ago.] (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 17:10)

New music needed to go with Mariah's World (62,659) by Susana from USA I think if she has new material ready enough to make an album, that it should be encouraged by management that it be released to coincide with the new show. There's going to be eight episodes that we can be reminded and others that new music is out. There are so many reality stars that were not singers or can be argued that they can't even be called singers, that have shot straight to number one on iTunes even for short period. Just think what it could do for Mariah. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 16:58)

Re: The blame game (62,657) (62,658) by Chicago Lamb from USA I don't get it. What is going on that someone has to be blamed for? A successful Vegas residency? An annual Christmas affair at the Beacon Theatre? A successful tour? A Hallmark movie deal? Getting the voice back in shape? A forthcoming docu-series? Why shouldn't she spread her wings into business ventures and do what she can do to strengthen her legacy? Mariah said from the beginning she wasn't a "one dimensional" artist. We were ok with that but now we're not ok with her being a multi-dimensional business person? In business, not everything will take off and be huge. That's just the way business goes. Be happy she is still in the news (in any capacity) and still tours, still singing her heart out for the fans. Way too much negativity on this board. Lighten up people. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 16:06)

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