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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,392)
by Edward from USA
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That's not boycott or illegal. You don't have to listen to those playlists. Most people have their own playlists anyway, and Spotify is not the only streaming platform. Brenda wasn't at the top of some of those playlists before. Was she being boycotted since AIWFCIY hit number one? I thought we had moved on from the paranoia lambs tend to have about some mega powerful entity coming for Mariah. AIWFIY and RATCT are the Christmas hits they are because millions of people love them and got them there. You can discount, you can gift, you can pray, you can throw a lambtrum, but all that won't make a song popular or hit if people don't like it.
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:55)
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,389)
by Pedro from Brazil
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AIWFCIY was demoted on several Christmas playlists on Spotify, where it used to be in the top positions (some fans noticed that some playlists even removed the song). Boycott? RATCT was elevated on Spotify playlists, perhaps with help from the record label, which is why it's getting more plays than AIWFCIY. It's a question of position in the playlist. The higher it is, the more it will be played.
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27)
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,391)
by Terna from Nigeria
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Speaking of Spotify, many users cannot login for a few weeks now, and some have been complaining of automatic subscriptions to premium even though they did not initiate the request, their Facebook customer support is overrun with many complaints. Weird.
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:45)
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,389)
by Pedro from Brazil
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AIWFCIY was demoted on several Christmas playlists on Spotify, where it used to be in the top positions (some fans noticed that some playlists even removed the song). Boycott? RATCT was elevated on Spotify playlists, perhaps with help from the record label, which is why it's getting more plays than AIWFCIY. It's a question of position in the playlist. The higher it is, the more it will be played.
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27)
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Number one (104,390)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I'm happy for Brenda too. What a cool lady. The new video is cute.
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:37)
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Number one (104,386)
by Tameka walker from United states
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If Mariah doesn't make it to number one this week I am sure that it will be number one before Christmas. I love Mariah and I love her Christmas song and I hope it hits number one before Christmas. Brenda's song is nice too. If they can share for instance one be number one one week and then the other the next it doesn't take anything away from Mariah. She can't be number one forever. And I realize that. Here's to Mariah and Brenda.
(Monday 4 December 2023; 02:44)
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,389)
by Pedro from Brazil
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AIWFCIY was demoted on several Christmas playlists on Spotify, where it used to be in the top positions (some fans noticed that some playlists even removed the song). Boycott? RATCT was elevated on Spotify playlists, perhaps with help from the record label, which is why it's getting more plays than AIWFCIY. It's a question of position in the playlist. The higher it is, the more it will be played.
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27)
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Rockin' Around (104,375)
by Edward from USA
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To be honest, I don't even know how RATCT is even competing with AIWFCIY. The latter is way more festive, the former would be like something to play on Christmas Eve. Maybe Mariah and Brenda agree to defrost together next Christmas seaon.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:49)
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Rockin' Around (104,388)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I have seen so many versions of "If it's over", maybe I have it on my laptop. But I'm too lazy to check it. The background of the performance and the video somehow seemed "new" to me, so it's okay if you're all shocked.  But I remember East 17 with "Stay another day" and "It's alright" they were huge in the good old Bundesrepublik Deutschland too. The good 90ies, I miss them. They were so much better compared to today not only chartwise. And we could go carefree to Christmas markets, I'm depressed because what's going on here since 2015. I'll stop it here and say something nice. It's snowing right now. It looks like a winter wonderland. I saw the new video with Brenda in a morning show. It was nice. Mariah and Brenda could do a Rockabilly Christmas song together.  Would be fun. We have a Justin Bieber version, why not something with Brenda Lee?
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27)
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Rockin' Around (104,381)
by Andrew from the UK
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Yuh-huh. "Rockin Around the Christmes Tree" I might call a "cute little ditty". I know it from Home Alone and wasn't exactly enthralled by it then. It's no "I Love Sausage Rolls". Doesn't even come close to that masterpiece.
Thought it might be fun for non-Brits to watch the video for "Stay Another Day" by East 17: this is the song that, 29 years ago, kept Mariah from being the UK Christmas No.1 (I cried). Check out the masterpiece music video. Considering it's a song about suicide, again "I Love Sausage Rolls" it isn't. Which ought to feature a warning that it might make you want to commit suicide.
MusicFanJ is given a free pass for the (shocking) oversight of never having seen Mariah sing "If It's Over" at the Grammys, for, I believe, "All I Want For Christmas Is You" also reached Number 2 at Christmas in 1994 in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Y'know, back when charts were quite simple and meant something and not full of ridiculous calculations that you'd need a doctorate to understand win an entire album of tracks from one artist comprising an entire top 10.
I'd feel old saying that. But I still look young and beautiful.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 20:45)
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Miss You Most (At Christmas) (104,387)
by jaker20 from US
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It gives me the feels the classic feels. I think this song deserves a proper video. One that has a story, similar to Wham's Last Christmas. Same with "When Christmas Comes". Both are original MC Christmas songs too. 
(Monday 4 December 2023; 06:02)
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Number one (104,386)
by Tameka walker from United states
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If Mariah doesn't make it to number one this week I am sure that it will be number one before Christmas. I love Mariah and I love her Christmas song and I hope it hits number one before Christmas. Brenda's song is nice too. If they can share for instance one be number one one week and then the other the next it doesn't take anything away from Mariah. She can't be number one forever. And I realize that. Here's to Mariah and Brenda.
(Monday 4 December 2023; 02:44)
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Emotions formula (104,385)
by Terna from Nigeria
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You're not about to school me on Aretha Franklin. First of all not every song or performance she had was Gospel influenced (most weren't) just because her roots were in gospel and she started in church that's implying singers such as she was (Whitney too comes to mind) are kinda a one trick pony, just because their roots are in Gospel. That woman was one of the most versatile singers that would ever walk the face of this Earth - case in point, "Nessum Dorma" 1998, the Grammy Awards. We have streaming services in this day and age for you to do your research and don't come here making a fool of yourself.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 22:43)
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Emotions formula (104,364)
by BFF from United States
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Everything Aretha performed was gospel-influenced because she grew up ensconced in the African-American gospel tradition. She was, I will remind you, the daughter of a prominent minister. "Soul" music would not exist without gospel, blues, rock and jazz. It is a hybrid genre like pop.
You posted tons of strong opinions about "Emotions" as an album. Now others are responding. If you can't handle it, don't post lol.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 15:07)
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Emotions formula (104,384)
by Terna from Nigeria
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Weak. I am entitled to my opinions, same as every other person. If you don't agree, move along. [#17
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 22:31)
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Emotions formula (104,358)
by Jamie from UK
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Seems you only like things your way. [You're] usually wrong as seen over and over on this forum. I can't help but think "if it's over" for your opinions.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 12:59)
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A look back at 2023 (104,383)
by Andrew from the UK
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No, dear. Age before beauty. You go right ahead
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 22:08)
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A look back at 2023 (104,382)
by Bobby A from United States
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Dahling, don't take me so seriously on here. I am just having a little bit of fun. It was Heather Locklear's billing status on Melrose Place that I am referencing. There is room for you before me anytime. Lol.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 21:20)
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A look back at 2023 (104,382)
by Bobby A from United States
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Dahling, don't take me so seriously on here. I am just having a little bit of fun. It was Heather Locklear's billing status on Melrose Place that I am referencing. There is room for you before me anytime. Lol.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 21:20)
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A look back at 2023 (104,379)
by Andrew from the UK
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What is "special guest star status" (I ask with a due sense of exhaustion and dread)? I've posted on this board hundreds, if not thousands, of times.
Chill out. You get a tad cringe, now and then. But mostly now. And always then.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 20:24)
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Rockin' Around (104,381)
by Andrew from the UK
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Yuh-huh. "Rockin Around the Christmes Tree" I might call a "cute little ditty". I know it from Home Alone and wasn't exactly enthralled by it then. It's no "I Love Sausage Rolls". Doesn't even come close to that masterpiece.
Thought it might be fun for non-Brits to watch the video for "Stay Another Day" by East 17: this is the song that, 29 years ago, kept Mariah from being the UK Christmas No.1 (I cried). Check out the masterpiece music video. Considering it's a song about suicide, again "I Love Sausage Rolls" it isn't. Which ought to feature a warning that it might make you want to commit suicide.
MusicFanJ is given a free pass for the (shocking) oversight of never having seen Mariah sing "If It's Over" at the Grammys, for, I believe, "All I Want For Christmas Is You" also reached Number 2 at Christmas in 1994 in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Y'know, back when charts were quite simple and meant something and not full of ridiculous calculations that you'd need a doctorate to understand win an entire album of tracks from one artist comprising an entire top 10.
I'd feel old saying that. But I still look young and beautiful.
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Rockin' Around (104,375)
by Edward from USA
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To be honest, I don't even know how RATCT is even competing with AIWFCIY. The latter is way more festive, the former would be like something to play on Christmas Eve. Maybe Mariah and Brenda agree to defrost together next Christmas seaon.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:49)
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Emotions formula (104,380)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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No, certainly not. Lol I know almost all her live gigs, but not all. I'm happy that I missed some, so I can enjoy it now. I'm sure I know some gigs and interviews she did in Germany, France, Italy and UK which you don't know as well.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 20:28)
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Emotions formula (104,376)
by Edward from USA
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Have you been living under a rock? As an old time fan you should know about this performance. I'm hereby stripping you from your lamb status. Now you're just a regular fan. You'll regain you lamb status when you start purchasing and streaming AIWFCIY until it reaches number one again.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:56)
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A look back at 2023 (104,379)
by Andrew from the UK
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What is "special guest star status" (I ask with a due sense of exhaustion and dread)? I've posted on this board hundreds, if not thousands, of times.
Chill out. You get a tad cringe, now and then. But mostly now. And always then.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 20:24)
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A look back at 2023 (104,367)
by Bobby A from United States
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Hello Eric. Thank you for all that you do to keep the board going strong all of these years. I noticed that you were still posting until 9pm Eastern time last night. Usually the last post is 6pm Eastern. Thank you for keeping the hot topic of "We lost #1" going way into the night. It was a fun way to end the night.
And what a year it has been for topics on the board. Can you think about posting on New Year's Eve the top 15 topics of 2023 with the most replies and likes? Just this November and December alone, I know Mariah vs. Brenda, We lost #1, and Emotions formula will make the list. Also, can you post the top posters for 2023? Andrew returned back in August (or was it September?) and tried to take my special guest star status. Lol.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 16:07)
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If Mariah likes it, then I like it (104,378)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I have a huge Stevie collection too. I started to listen because he's Mariah's favourite. His number ones are often played on the radio, so I knew I liked his music. "That girl" and Mariah, that's cool. By the way great topic. I also own the movies "Pretty in Pink" and "Mean Girls" because of Mariah. Plus I have many things about New York and books. This year I even have an NY advent calendar (gift from a friend). One more thing, I also have great admiration for Marilyn Monroe. And I bought Tupacs best of CD, because Mariah is a "fan".
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If Mariah likes it, then I like it (104,357)
by Bobby A from United States
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She has always praised Stevie Wonder. I have a huge Stevie Wonder collection. Everytime that I hear That Girl, I think of MC.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 12:55)
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Emotions formula (104,377)
by Bobby A from United States
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Carole King was determined to work with MC after she declined to cover YMMFLANW. So, she flew out to New York anyway and If It's Over was born. I love the highs and lows of her vocal delivery and orgasmic climax is unbelievable and breathtaking both live and on the album. Just one more song like this would garner her 20th number one. This time let's get Sia or ILYA and Ryan Tedder to fly out New York and create a masterpiece.
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Emotions formula (104,346)
by Andrew from the UK
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Let's remind ourselves what weak certainly does not look like.
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 22:17)
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Emotions formula (104,376)
by Edward from USA
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Have you been living under a rock? As an old time fan you should know about this performance. I'm hereby stripping you from your lamb status. Now you're just a regular fan. You'll regain you lamb status when you start purchasing and streaming AIWFCIY until it reaches number one again.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:56)
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Emotions formula (104,373)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I love "If it's over". One of her best ballads and we know she has so many. But I didn't know this live performance. Wow just wow. Mariah at her best. That's the reason why she's the one and only Mariah Carey.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:41)
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Rockin' Around (104,375)
by Edward from USA
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To be honest, I don't even know how RATCT is even competing with AIWFCIY. The latter is way more festive, the former would be like something to play on Christmas Eve. Maybe Mariah and Brenda agree to defrost together next Christmas seaon.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:49)
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Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,374)
by Tevin from USA
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Awesome, I'm glad you were able to check out those songs. Let's hope Mariah drops a new album in 2024.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:49)
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Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,354)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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Hi Tevin, thanks for your suggested songs by Taylor. I liked them all but "Dear John" is my favourite. I always say I want a jazz album by Mariah which I still do. I think Mariah could also do some country, gospel and retro-soul. She can sing every genre like she never did something else. That's rare.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 10:29)
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Emotions formula (104,373)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I love "If it's over". One of her best ballads and we know she has so many. But I didn't know this live performance. Wow just wow. Mariah at her best. That's the reason why she's the one and only Mariah Carey.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:41)
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Emotions formula (104,356)
by Jamie from UK
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Exactly Andrew, such a weak song, no emotion, no soul, no body. 
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 12:55)
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Good voice (104,372)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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I can honestly say I had lost all faith in that Mariah would work on her voice and sound good again, but she has impressed me once more. How pleasant and nice it is to hear her live voice again, it's so satisfying and soothing, just listen to this.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 18:28)
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We lost the #1 (104,371)
by jaker20 from US
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Spotify US has around 45M users, while Apple has around 30. There's also a tiered system in Billboard where ad supported streams are counted, even though they are given lesser points, but Spotify ad supported subs is more than double their paid subscribers. That's been the case for many years now.
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We lost the #1 (104,369)
by Edward from USA
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Apple Music is bigger than Spotify here in America. While I would agree Spotifiy is bigger worldwide, local streaming is what counts towards the Hot 100. Mariah is ahead of Brenda on Apple Music.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 17:36)
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Oh Santa original vs JHud/Ariana version (104,370)
by Bobby A from United States
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I have always thought MC did the collaboration with Ariana and JHud just for a cute festive moment to promote the Apple Music special. They probably recorded their parts separately in different studios and sent it to MC. I don't think the collaboration made the final cut for the special. I never watched the special all the way through because I cringed how thin sounding her voice was on the songs.
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Oh Santa original vs JHud/Ariana version (104,366)
by jaker20 from US
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What's everyone's opinion on this? It's interesting that the JHud/Ariana collab didn't do much to the song. I personally thought their voices didn't blend so well, and there's no chemistry between them on the video. It wasn't cute or engaging. But we said the same with the AIWFCIY collab with Bieber.
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We lost the #1 (104,369)
by Edward from USA
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Apple Music is bigger than Spotify here in America. While I would agree Spotifiy is bigger worldwide, local streaming is what counts towards the Hot 100. Mariah is ahead of Brenda on Apple Music.
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We lost the #1 (104,365)
by jaker20 from US
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I'm not so sure. Brenda's team have lined up an aggressive campaign this season and in the coming weeks. Spotify is on Brenda's side. Brenda's team is playing bunch of playlist gamifications this year. She's at the top of some of the biggest playlists on Spotify currently. For example, I just saw that they removed Mariah on that large "Christmas Is Coming" playlist with millions of users, and they just added her yesterday lol. That is just one.
Artists can deal with Spotify for higher playlisting and other algo boosts for lower pay royalty. This is perfectly legal by the way. So Mariah can be at the top in all other streaming platforms. But Spotify is where the geming is on. If Mariah does these she would be criticized lol. That's the problem with being at the top.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 15:39)
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A look back at 2023 (104,368)
by Jamie from UK
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Gosh it only feels like 2 minutes since top posters was last published.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 16:42)
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A look back at 2023 (104,367)
by Bobby A from United States
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Hello Eric. Thank you for all that you do to keep the board going strong all of these years. I noticed that you were still posting until 9pm Eastern time last night. Usually the last post is 6pm Eastern. Thank you for keeping the hot topic of "We lost #1" going way into the night. It was a fun way to end the night.
And what a year it has been for topics on the board. Can you think about posting on New Year's Eve the top 15 topics of 2023 with the most replies and likes? Just this November and December alone, I know Mariah vs. Brenda, We lost #1, and Emotions formula will make the list. Also, can you post the top posters for 2023? Andrew returned back in August (or was it September?) and tried to take my special guest star status. Lol.
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 16:07)
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