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View from here (104,177) by MC1989 from Spain Maybe the extreme stiffness is due to a recent lipposuction and a recent face lift? I don't know. Maybe she's recovering from recent surgeries. Because even though since 2010 her stage performances became very low energy in terms of movements and dancing, she was never this stiff. Though I'm enjoying some iconic moments from these Christmas shows, I share your thoughts about her recent awkward stiffness and lack of face expresion. I also feel good about her success with these shows, from the videos I've seen, people are enjoying them a lot and she's singing in front of big audiences again. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 12:04) this is a reply to message 104,170

View from here (104,170) by Andrew from the UK It isn't the lip-syncing that bothers me about the Billboard performance or the Christmas shows. You would have to be delusional with a capital Terna not to have expected there to be lipsync. And, having a PhD in Mariah Carey Lip-Sync, I was quite impressed as I had to replay certain parts to really understand if they were lip-sync or not. (They were.) But the songs sound okay from what I have watched and if people are having a ball in the auditoria then good for them. What's truly puzzling at best (and truly worrisome at worst) is Mariah's rigidity. She rarely moves. More's the point: she rarely moves to an almost inhuman degree. It was even so on the Jennifer Hudson show. I neither see nor know of *any* artist who is so frozen in expression and in movement. I don't even know of any *person* in real life who behaves so. Does anyone? It's really weird, you guys. Something is not right, here. In fact, I would go so far as to say: something is very wrong here. One of the things I loved that Mariah lost was her command of the stage and ability to entertain. She would run up and down the bloody thing, punch the invisible ghosts, slap them in the face many times when going for big notes, activate the garage doors by pressing the secret button in her ear, spin around, laugh, dance, point to people and tell them she sees them up there in the cheap seats, get excited when she can read some of the signs (do people still do signs?) and so on. Where did this go? And why? I don't think anyone is asking for 90s vocals. But I think they're sure as shit asking for 90s performances. And quite rightly so. They were bloody good fun. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 04:55)

Performance (104,176) by Tameka walker from United states Everyone is entitled to their opinions about Mariah. I am a huge fan of hers she literally teached the whole generation how to sing, Beyoncé had said she tried to do runs like Mariah and so forth and Christina tries to imitate every little note and all give Mariah her props, she taught Christina, Beyoncé, Rihanna, and the rest of the girls how to sing, Mariah have been singing for over 30 years so what if her voice is not what it used to be to me, she can still sing her face off. Well anyway you guys got to remember she had a hit every year of the 90's then she would go back and do a remix with a rapper and sometimes without all that singing all over is bound to hurt your voice in some capacity. She made amazing remixes with and without rappers. Then in the 2000's Mariah did it again with songs from the Emancipation of Mimi era. We have to be grateful that Mariah is here with us because Michael Jackson, Prince, Barry [White], Whitney Houston and so on [are] gone and the way I see some people rag on Mariah they did the same thing to them. They are dead now and every time I turn around they get induction into the [Hall of Fame] or get other awards and so forth. Let's appreciate Mariah while she is still here here with us I am grateful that we still have her, let's show her love now and not when she is not here anymore. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 11:37)

The JHud Show (104,175) by Andrew from the UK Well, I'm assuming his name is Lexus and 2004 is when he was born. In which case: I'm impressed. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 11:30) this is a reply to message 104,174

The JHud Show (104,174) by Bobby A from United States Andrew, put down the bubbly and take a nap. Just a little too much Monty Python humor for me this morning. I am over here on this side of the pond dealing with a blown head gasket on my 2004 Lexus. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 11:11)

The JHud Show (104,174) by Bobby A from United States Andrew, put down the bubbly and take a nap. Just a little too much Monty Python humor for me this morning. I am over here on this side of the pond dealing with a blown head gasket on my 2004 Lexus. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 11:11) this is a reply to message 104,172

The JHud Show (104,172) by Andrew from the UK There are three people who need to be fired as soon as possible: the person who put those absurdly large breasts into Mariah Carey, the person who put Mariah Carey into that hideously inappropriate black dress and the person who put Mariah Carey in that cringeworthy show. I know, I know, I'm a miserable git. I'll take a turkey round to Tiny Tim's on Christmas Day and make sure the little fella lives. God bless us, every one. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 05:28)

Mariah in Denver at the Ball Arena (104,173) by Michael from United States After 20+ years of waiting, I finally got to see Mariah in Denver. With my whole heart I'm telling you it was live. She sound amazing. Whatever she has been doing to strengthen and get her voice back has been working. Her voice was strong, and clear. Her agility, and tone is back. She was funny, engaging and looked like she was having a blast. I'm so very proud of her. The arena was sold out, and the crowd was hot. It was surreal. She is so stunning in person. Looks much younger than her true age. I had the time of my life. I also made friends with other Lambs. I'm eternally grateful for being able to put a check mark next to this bucket list item. I'm also very thankful to my partner with surprising me with this early Christmas present. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 05:54)

The JHud Show (104,172) by Andrew from the UK There are three people who need to be fired as soon as possible: the person who put those absurdly large breasts into Mariah Carey, the person who put Mariah Carey into that hideously inappropriate black dress and the person who put Mariah Carey in that cringeworthy show. I know, I know, I'm a miserable git. I'll take a turkey round to Tiny Tim's on Christmas Day and make sure the little fella lives. God bless us, every one. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 05:28)

All You Want For Christmas Is Me (104,171) by Andrew from the UK I listened to Merry Christmas for the first-ish time today, sang, danced, and sat to listen when I knew great vocal parts were coming up. Then on YouTube I watched Mariah talking about its lead single. And then other people talking about its lead single. And then even more of Mariah talking about its lead single. Interspersed with yet more other-people talking about its lead single. The song is great. It’s one of the greatest pop music creations of all time. And it came out of Mariah’s head. I get it. I love it. I love her for it. The whole world loves her for it. But can’t it be left to just be a song one year, and not a statistic to celebrate or an interview topic? Or better still: release a *new* Christmas song and talk about that. And how great it was to record it with Taylor Swift. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 05:21)

View from here (104,170) by Andrew from the UK It isn't the lip-syncing that bothers me about the Billboard performance or the Christmas shows. You would have to be delusional with a capital Terna not to have expected there to be lipsync. And, having a PhD in Mariah Carey Lip-Sync, I was quite impressed as I had to replay certain parts to really understand if they were lip-sync or not. (They were.) But the songs sound okay from what I have watched and if people are having a ball in the auditoria then good for them. What's truly puzzling at best (and truly worrisome at worst) is Mariah's rigidity. She rarely moves. More's the point: she rarely moves to an almost inhuman degree. It was even so on the Jennifer Hudson show. I neither see nor know of *any* artist who is so frozen in expression and in movement. I don't even know of any *person* in real life who behaves so. Does anyone? It's really weird, you guys. Something is not right, here. In fact, I would go so far as to say: something is very wrong here. One of the things I loved that Mariah lost was her command of the stage and ability to entertain. She would run up and down the bloody thing, punch the invisible ghosts, slap them in the face many times when going for big notes, activate the garage doors by pressing the secret button in her ear, spin around, laugh, dance, point to people and tell them she sees them up there in the cheap seats, get excited when she can read some of the signs (do people still do signs?) and so on. Where did this go? And why? I don't think anyone is asking for 90s vocals. But I think they're sure as shit asking for 90s performances. And quite rightly so. They were bloody good fun. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 04:55)

Bryan Tanaka (104,169) by Andrew from the UK "Oh no you ruined everything by deciding to not go. Do any of you have lives outside of this messageboard?" Luke? Luke needs to get a life? Luke, who lives in the UK, is flying to New York City for his job and, whilst there, has the option of seeing a Mariah Carey concert? That Luke? Hah Luke, you really need to get a life, mate. Your current one clearly sucks. "To come on here just to announce you aren't going? Nobody cares or asked." I care. Especially now Big Nasty and I are over. And, if memory serves: didn't Bobby-A and others ask to be updated? Alas, if you could only see that Luke was not put here for you to judge him and dispute his inner most truth. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 04:13) this is a reply to message 104,114

Bryan Tanaka (104,114) by JR from United States Oh no you ruined everything by deciding to not go. Do any of you have lives outside of this messageboard? To come on here just to announce you aren't going? Nobody cares or asked. (Saturday 18 November 2023; 22:16)

Never sung in her life (104,168) by Andrew from the UK I knew I liked you. So let's do it. "And, no, asking a singer to sing isn't a big ask, but expecting 1995 or 2000s vocals isn't going to happen no matter the critique." Please do point to the recent post that requests such vocals be produced. I'll be first in line to berate the poster for making such a silly request. Don't hold back on me now because I am lovin' me some Nasty Norman - but I, too, despise gaslighting, or as I like to label it: "flat denial of observable reality". So point to the posts and we can get past the foreplay and have ourselves a moment. "It's okay to only like her 90s stuff and nothing past that. Admit it and move on - you'll all be happier. But no need to constantly bash every effing move and call it constructive when all it is, is tearing things down." Well, Big Nasty, I'm struggling to letcha get to second base with this one so let's unpack it while we get cosy by the fire. I can't remember - nay, imagine - any of the guys, girls or Terna-based species that visit this website ever saying that they only like Mariah Carey's 90s music. It would be an absurdity. They would be, ripped, shredded, slapped... wait. I'm gonna stop that right there because I know I got Bobby A excited and this is a date for two. So pop in the relevant posts where people have stated the absurd 90s things, then pop open the Cristal so we can round third base in a bubble bath. "Now, joy to the effing world or whatever. We mostly love everyone." Big Nasty, how bloody dare you? I'm lying here, bubbles in one hand, some other kinda bubbles protecting my itty bitty dignity, waiting for you to dive in and hit a home run... and you love "mostly everyone"? Nuh uh. I'm a one guy kinda girl. Close the door, lose the key, leave the posts on the mat for me. Show is over. [How pissed is everyone right now for having that song put it into their brains? Serves you right for reading my private love letter to Big Nasty.] (Thursday 23 November 2023; 03:53) this is a reply to message 104,164

Never sung in her life (104,164) by Norman from USA I believe his point is that you guys regurtitate the same complaints every other week and think you're going to change something. It's been how long since Daydream? And you all swear you're the only ones who like her because you tear her to shreds. And, no, asking a singer to sing isn't a big ask, but expecting 1995 or 2000s vocals isn't going to happen no matter the critique. Being at the Hollywood Bowl nights was such a great experience as a fan because it packed with people who were there to have fun and enjoy the show. And enjoy it we did. It was a blast to interact with people who had never seen in concert and enjoyed what was offered and how it was it offered. The energy when she did a medly of part of her catalog was at fever pitch. It was heartening. And as people left, you could hear everyone discussing her voice and how well she did and wishing more of this from her. Having a discussion about the status of her current voice is one thing, and she's not above reproach, but enough with same critical drag and calling it love. No need to gaslight. We've read them for years and know abusive language when we read it. It's okay to only like her 90s stuff and nothing past that. Admit it and move on - you'll all be happier. But no need to constantly bash every effing move and call it constructive when all it is, is tearing things down. Oh, and before anyone comes out with pejorative "yass queen" rebuttal, no one is asking for you to be that. No one. You can have fun on the board without punching down. It's reductive. Now, joy to the effing world or whatever. We mostly love everyone. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 21:39)

Never sung in her life (104,167) by Shezz from Pk Yes she has newly recorded vocals for some of the songs she was singing live previously including [Joy to the world] and [All I want for Christmas] intros. Now that a handful of shows are done you can see they're identically phrased and sung. Funny thing is that whenever she is actually singing live she sounds pretty good so I don't know why she needed to but what are you gonna do? It is what it is. People are really enjoying her shows and can't really tell or don't really care. I feel it's akin to people believing in Santa Claus. It makes people happy - let them. Why must we keep pointing things out and ruining it for the ones who enjoy it? (Thursday 23 November 2023; 03:36) this is a reply to message 104,163

Never sung in her life (104,163) by Bill from the UK She's a singer Matty, so she should sing. It's not hard. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 08:12)

Grio Awards and Magical Disney (104,166) by Bobby A from United States MC will receive recognition on the Grio Awards Saturday 9/25 on CBS at 8pm Eastern. And just announced today is The Wonderful World of Magical Disney will show MC's 2016 iconic performance of AIWFCIY during their star studded broadcast Sunday 9/26 on ABC at 8pm Eastern. (Thursday 23 November 2023; 03:11)

I don´t understand (104,165) by Zachariah from Croatia But isn't she doing very well with live performances now? From what I can hear from her Christmas tour, vocals are on point. More than that. And yes, I am one of those who will say "yass queen" because it is exactly that, yass. Queen. Being 33 years in the industry and her career behind her - there is literally nothing from her to bring us down. Only positivity and music to focus on forward. I am blessed that I enjoy and 90's and Mariah after 2001. Even more after 2001. I am proud to be her fan. And always will be. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 23:51)

Never sung in her life (104,164) by Norman from USA I believe his point is that you guys regurtitate the same complaints every other week and think you're going to change something. It's been how long since Daydream? And you all swear you're the only ones who like her because you tear her to shreds. And, no, asking a singer to sing isn't a big ask, but expecting 1995 or 2000s vocals isn't going to happen no matter the critique. Being at the Hollywood Bowl nights was such a great experience as a fan because it packed with people who were there to have fun and enjoy the show. And enjoy it we did. It was a blast to interact with people who had never seen in concert and enjoyed what was offered and how it was it offered. The energy when she did a medly of part of her catalog was at fever pitch. It was heartening. And as people left, you could hear everyone discussing her voice and how well she did and wishing more of this from her. Having a discussion about the status of her current voice is one thing, and she's not above reproach, but enough with same critical drag and calling it love. No need to gaslight. We've read them for years and know abusive language when we read it. It's okay to only like her 90s stuff and nothing past that. Admit it and move on - you'll all be happier. But no need to constantly bash every effing move and call it constructive when all it is, is tearing things down. Oh, and before anyone comes out with pejorative "yass queen" rebuttal, no one is asking for you to be that. No one. You can have fun on the board without punching down. It's reductive. Now, joy to the effing world or whatever. We mostly love everyone. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 21:39) this is a reply to message 104,163

Never sung in her life (104,163) by Bill from the UK She's a singer Matty, so she should sing. It's not hard. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 08:12)

Never sung in her life (104,163) by Bill from the UK She's a singer Matty, so she should sing. It's not hard. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 08:12) this is a reply to message 104,158

Never sung in her life (104,158) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Ok critical lambs, you've exposed it. Mariah has never sung in her life. She's a studio creation. She can't sing, she's never performed live, the only Mariah that was real was 1993-1995. Adele, Celine, Ariana, Beyoncé never ever lip. . I've gotta ask (especially the "I wish Mariah was frozen in 1993" from the UK commenters), why can't you just enjoy Mimi's magic and success? I get we all have our favourite "Mariah moments", but all those with the opinionated stance that nothing beats Mariah between Music Box and Daydream is tired. Mariah's best, most emotive moments are post Charmbracelet. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 21:54)

Reality check (104,162) by Nick G from Germany Next year she has her big comeback on Drag Race as a candidate. She will outdo everyone else at sipsync and can swap wigs with other drags. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 05:22) this is a reply to message 104,150

Reality check (104,150) by Brandon from USA Old school MC fans from the 90's know a lip synced performance when we see one and it was definitely prerecorded which is the norm for her these days. Her nerves along with the inconsistency of her voice has has caused her to lean on prerecorded vocal tracks. I just want more movement from her if she's going lip sync. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 14:56)

Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,161) by Tevin from USA Dear John, Back to December and Enchanted are three beautiful songs from Taylor's album Speak Now. Give them a listen. It's no Butterfly album but she does have a decent pen game, even if it slightly sub par to Mariah's. Anyway let me know how you like those three songs, they are what made me a Taylor fan. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 03:51) this is a reply to message 104,156

Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,156) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, Taylor Swift seems very relatable. I only know "Shake it off" and her debut country album. Lol I had friends from Texas, they told me to give the album a try when it came out. Back then I never thought Taylor Swift would be the biggest female pop star chartwise in 2023. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 20:13)

Justice for Can't Let Go (104,160) by Brad from USA Is any one else still pissed off this song didn't go to #1? I am. Ok bye. If we could get this song to #1 on iTunes Mariah would flip out because she knows this should have been a #1. I recall all those weeks waiting and waiting for it to pop from #2 to #1. Don't ever forget how frigging flawless that video was too. She looked so beautiful in that. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 03:36)

Never sung in her life (104,159) by Bobby A from United States MC is a survivor. I was thinking today that the music business is a cruel industry whereas only a few artists have careers after their sophomore album. MC surpassed all of that and made it to 32 years in the music business. I am going to show more understanding and compassion with my comments from this day forward. (Wednesday 22 November 2023; 02:18) this is a reply to message 104,158

Never sung in her life (104,158) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Ok critical lambs, you've exposed it. Mariah has never sung in her life. She's a studio creation. She can't sing, she's never performed live, the only Mariah that was real was 1993-1995. Adele, Celine, Ariana, Beyoncé never ever lip. . I've gotta ask (especially the "I wish Mariah was frozen in 1993" from the UK commenters), why can't you just enjoy Mimi's magic and success? I get we all have our favourite "Mariah moments", but all those with the opinionated stance that nothing beats Mariah between Music Box and Daydream is tired. Mariah's best, most emotive moments are post Charmbracelet. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 21:54)

Never sung in her life (104,158) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Ok critical lambs, you've exposed it. Mariah has never sung in her life. She's a studio creation. She can't sing, she's never performed live, the only Mariah that was real was 1993-1995. Adele, Celine, Ariana, Beyoncé never ever lip. . I've gotta ask (especially the "I wish Mariah was frozen in 1993" from the UK commenters), why can't you just enjoy Mimi's magic and success? I get we all have our favourite "Mariah moments", but all those with the opinionated stance that nothing beats Mariah between Music Box and Daydream is tired. Mariah's best, most emotive moments are post Charmbracelet. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 21:54)

Reality check (104,157) by MC1989 from Spain Thanks for saying it. Mariah is using more playback than ever. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 20:25) this is a reply to message 104,150

Reality check (104,150) by Brandon from USA Old school MC fans from the 90's know a lip synced performance when we see one and it was definitely prerecorded which is the norm for her these days. Her nerves along with the inconsistency of her voice has has caused her to lean on prerecorded vocal tracks. I just want more movement from her if she's going lip sync. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 14:56)

Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,156) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, Taylor Swift seems very relatable. I only know "Shake it off" and her debut country album. Lol I had friends from Texas, they told me to give the album a try when it came out. Back then I never thought Taylor Swift would be the biggest female pop star chartwise in 2023. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 20:13) this is a reply to message 104,155

Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,155) by Edward from USA As much as I hate to say it, Taylor Swift's songs don't just chart one week and out the other, she has a massive fanbase. In some places they're camping outside Arenas six months in advance just to be closer to the stage. She's definitely had the Midas touch for quite sometime now. I don't know the lyrics to any of her songs. I tried listening to her last album but I didn't feel a connection. I wish her well though. Her relatable persona definitely helps her a lot. The woman is the biggest thing right now yet she doesn't acts as if she believes her own hype. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 18:31)

Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,155) by Edward from USA As much as I hate to say it, Taylor Swift's songs don't just chart one week and out the other, she has a massive fanbase. In some places they're camping outside Arenas six months in advance just to be closer to the stage. She's definitely had the Midas touch for quite sometime now. I don't know the lyrics to any of her songs. I tried listening to her last album but I didn't feel a connection. I wish her well though. Her relatable persona definitely helps her a lot. The woman is the biggest thing right now yet she doesn't acts as if she believes her own hype. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 18:31) this is a reply to message 104,154

Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,154) by jaker20 from US 20 songs in the chart, and then disappear the following week. Mariah should do something big next year during the album's 30th anniversary and have every song chart. Anyway, Brenda could take it this year. Mariah will probably do something big next year, so if she gets a couple of weeks this year, she'll probably take the record back next year. But she should do a good festive video every 2 years anyway, since that is all she is doing now. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 17:49)

Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,154) by jaker20 from US 20 songs in the chart, and then disappear the following week. Mariah should do something big next year during the album's 30th anniversary and have every song chart. Anyway, Brenda could take it this year. Mariah will probably do something big next year, so if she gets a couple of weeks this year, she'll probably take the record back next year. But she should do a good festive video every 2 years anyway, since that is all she is doing now. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 17:49) this is a reply to message 104,149

Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,149) by Edward from USA Only four Christmas songs re-entered the Hot 100 this week. 17. All I Want for Christmas Is You 32. Las Christmas 38. Jingle Bell Rock 44. A Holly Jolly Christmas If there's a possibility for any song other AIWFCIY to hit No. 1 this year, in my opinion, that would be Last Christmas. I'm tired of seeing Taylor Swift with 20 songs on the top 10. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 13:56)

Tour outfits (104,153) by jaker20 from US I do like that head crown but Beyonce and a few other artists already did it so it has less of an impact. It should have been like halo stars instead so it's slightly different. Mariah needs to find something that is unique to her since she is doing this every year. (Tuesday 21 November 2023; 17:37)

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