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Re: Songwriters speech (100,530) (100,534) by Steve from USA Guys. I mean she was very loose and conversational, but let's all settle down. She's not having some sort of breakdown or whatever is being insinuated in various posts. She seems completely fine and happy to me. Some of you are saying she's drunk too - is she? She doesn't seem drunk to me at all. Some of ya'll here just love to be negative. I've noticed the pessimistic slant of this particular message board for a while now. It's hard to read. (Monday 20 June 2022; 15:37)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,528) (100,533) by T from USA You have to admit, she came close. (Monday 20 June 2022; 01:45)

Mental illness (100,532) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Just to clarify my perspective: because some of us may have a diagnosed with mental illness, does not make anyone one of us an expert. That's the thing about mental health: everyone's human experience is different; there's no single diagnosis. "We're all the same, for different reasons." (Sunday 19 June 2022; 22:07)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,523) (100,531) by Jamie from UK I hope she is working with Patricia again, she looked fly in that era. We need another pink dress in time square moment. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 21:13)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,495) (100,530) by Terna from Nigeria "A Beyonce fan gleefully sent it to me at 9AM." I knew this had something to do with those Beyonce insecure fans you insist on hanging out with. Just another weapon to try and shoot down Mariah, to try and undermine her sheer greatness facts (all caps). Beyonce has never, can never and will never be heralded the same way Mariah Carey is. Mariah is the music industry and music personified. Point blank period. Now since you do not have the presence of mind to defend Miss Carey. Here's some shade for those "friends" of yours. When Beyonce has a Diamond Album, then they can speak, until then. Secondly, "The Emancipation of Mimi" was everything Beyoncé's "Dangerously in Love" album never was and never will be, the album she wishes was hers. You better come correct Randy. Know who you Stan. Beyonce is not the one getting inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame, it is Mariah Carey. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 21:09)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,475) (100,529) by Terna from Nigeria Ditzy maybe, going off on a tangent maybe, incoherent definitely not. But you should also notice she was nervous and aware of the time before she outstays her welcome. I think it is a case of over planning what to say (thus the notes on paper) and then in the real moment, it does not quite go as planned. Lol. Randy you only show up to complain about Mariah, go through your old posts and see if I'm wrong. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 20:47)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,523) (100,528) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Yikes, to compare Mariah to Anna Nicole Smith indicates you know very little about Anna Nicole's life and why she walked the path she did. I'll stop here because wow, to disrespect both women at once, is a task. Howard K Steer vs. Stella. Howard was successful in his life ending destruction of a beloved women, Stella not even close. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 19:23)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,523) (100,527) by Stacey from USA I'm not struggling, lol. I came to terms with my expectations of Mariah vs my own beliefs a long, long time ago. With that being said, I am allowed to express those opinions just like everyone else here. I expressed an opinion, shared some personal insight on a topic and some have a problem with that. Some even mocked those struggles. That is what truly is sad. I'll always wish MC the best and appreciate her for her musical genius. "They can say anything they want to say, try to bring me down, there's a light in me that shines brightly, they can try, but they can't take that away from me." Carey on and chill out. It ain't that deep. Peace. Happy Father's Day to all the amazing guys out there, including Nick. He's a good dad and co-parents well the twins with MC. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 18:59)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,523) (100,526) by RibbonB from USA She's been bff's with Pamela Anderson and Courtney Love. Mimi is "verse". (Sunday 19 June 2022; 18:00)

Re: Eddy (100,522) (100,525) by Edward from USA See, that's a card I fogot about, "The Goat Card". (Sunday 19 June 2022; 17:54)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,523) (100,524) by Robert-Anthony from United States You're right on it, T. We all think Mariah's career would take off again if she went back to formula of her debut album of ballads and the total package. However, we get the Mariah who finds singing ballads boring. So, what we get is the hip hop diva MC. If John Legend can work with Ryan Tedder and give the world the brillant Honey featuring Muni Long, then why won't MC call Ryan Tedder or Greg Kurstin up to create her old formula of ballads? (Sunday 19 June 2022; 15:58)

Expectations vs reality (100,523) by T from USA I think what we're all struggling with is what we expect and what we get. And lots of that has to do with Mariah herself. I mean, in many of those Christmas interviews just six months ago she would say that she has her E=MC2 trainer Patricia back living with her. I know I know, that doesn't mean anything but Mariah must know the link the fans will make. The last time she worked with Patricia was right before Touch My Body. It's natural to assume that she would get back into shape with that comment. Then there's all the talk about the voice and being so inspired. Linking her time out of the spotlight like the time she took to write and record Butterfly. Now we here there's no album in sight. We expect Mariah to have a Beyonce career, in reality we are getting something like Anna Nicole Smith. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 14:15)

Eddy (100,522) by Stacey from USA We are now considered goats. I'm so honored, aren't you? (Sunday 19 June 2022; 11:59)

Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,514) (100,520) by RibbonB from USA Thank you for your service. Too funny. But yeah, the speech I heard sounded lime 8 minutes of snippets which seemed very well received by her peers. She was acting over the top, but that's been the norm for a while. It's pretty much her shtick. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 08:51)

Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,514) (100,519) by Stacey from USA I don't know if I'd call suffering from anxiety and depression doing service, but to each their own, lol. As with any person, famous or not, I wish everyone the best. I listen to Mariah's music daily. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 07:55)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,500) (100,518) by Stacey from USA I've had nights where I was so glad the sun came up. I've lived through mental illness personally. With my daughter I saw the signs and got her help. What's Mariah's excuse? There is none, especially with the resources she has at her disposal. I'm not bashing her, crucifying MC for expressing the opinion that she bears responsibility. Geez. And seriously? Blame her for doing it to herself after her hypothetical death? I'll just say this: who shoved drugs down Whitney's throat? At some point you run out of excuses and need to pick up the mirror. Tragically some never do, and it's heartbreaking. All lives are precious to me. P.S. I've been pretty fair to Mariah over the years so back it up a bit. Ok? Peace. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 05:55)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,508) (100,517) by Stacey from USA Exactly. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? It's a lost art. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 05:34)

Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,514) (100,516) by Lady B from USA Exactly. Not popular with some goats here, but the general public and media seemed to have enjoyed it (also see the YouTube likes and comments). Some people here will never be satisfied, which is their prerogative, but let us Lambs celebrate the well earned accomplishment and keep things moving. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 04:01)

Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,514) (100,515) by Steven Berning from USA Preach. Yes. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 02:47)

What if that's just Mariah? (100,514) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I love that we've been blessed with so many educated mental health illness experts on this form! Thank you for your service and insight. What if this is just Mariah? What if this is just Mariah being her true self that she continues to try and express to this day? The first time I ever saw Mariah simply, normal, free and authentically be herself was her 1999 Billboards Music Award speech. That speech was fire (after seeing Mariah do the humble basic Celine and Barbra approach for many years on award shows). I know many see Mariah's true self as the groomed women from 1988-1996. That grooming may have resulted in what many see has her golden years, the vocal goddess years. I just want to leave more room and appreciation for that 1999 Billboard Mariah, that GLADD Award Mariah, that [woman] who sang at the Grammy's in February 2006. That women who gave no [...] in 2017 to make it clear on national live television she was being made a fool in real time in that moment (uhhum Stella); and the next year, 2018, stood on that same exact stage and said [...], and blew the Times Square roof off. Let's celebrate when Mariah is Mariah, she's allowed to relax and enjoy herself and go off script as most of us do. Side note: Mariah's speech is getting very positive media response, and the Song Writers Hall of Fame post they did about Mariah received over 27,000 like vs. Pherell or Lil' Nas (less than five hundred). (Sunday 19 June 2022; 01:39)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,508) (100,513) by Steven Berning from USA Dramatic much, ugh. (Saturday 18 June 2022; 23:20)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,508) (100,512) by TheWind from England Thanks to Google, I guess everyone is a doctor these days. People be diagnosing for fun. (Saturday 18 June 2022; 22:04)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,509) (100,511) by Lee from USA If you go on YouTube or anywhere else, it's way higher. The media thought it was funny but serious. (Saturday 18 June 2022; 20:56)

Re: Do you think? (100,507) (100,510) by Edward from USA I think that Mariah should forget about selling records and chasing trends. She should concentrate on creating great music, period. I too have thought she has lost her muse when songs like "Save the Day" and "Infinity" came out. She doesn't have anything to prove anymore, but great music is great music. I don't mind her taking her time to create something with quality. While Caution was critically acclaimed, she knew something was missing. She talked about her voice not being in good shape and she also stated she should've recorded a few more tracks. (Saturday 18 June 2022; 19:15)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,508) (100,509) by Lady B from USA The small number of folks happy for/congratulating Mariah for an incredible accomplishment tells me all I need to know about the goat/lamb ratio here. (Saturday 18 June 2022; 19:08)

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