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General public or bad decisions (105,622) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
Glitter is a masterpiece - I think lambs remember this moment as a failure, but this was the only year Mariah appeared in Forbes list of most powerful women, she did the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 2002 next to the 9/11 statue, she looked gorgeous, and Loverboy was constantly on the radio, on TV music stations, also #2 on Billboard (don't give me the it was discounted argument, because most singles were always discounted and sat in the discount bins at HMV and Music World). I think corporate Virgin panicked more than the public.

I love Charmbraclet personally, and in my home town of Guelph Ontario (45 mins south/west of Toronto) "Boy" was on the radio constantly, but for some reason the album wasn't what they wanted as a "comeback" album after 18 months of lows ( ) Why do those few months out of 30 years taint her? I'll never know. Think of all the celebrated singers with issues now, 18 months out of the game or spotlight is nothing, Demi Lovato, Britney, even the beauty that is Selina Gomez, Gaga, Ariana. Maybe it was simply the expectation that year after year for a decade Mariah was ever present and showed up. I have no doubt that's exhausting.
(Wednesday 21 February 2024; 01:06)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,621) by jaker20 from US
Tracking isn't done yet. That's for prior week.
(Wednesday 21 February 2024; 00:57)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,620) by Bobby A from United States
It didn't make the top 10 this week. The original is down to #21.
(Wednesday 21 February 2024; 00:35)
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General public or bad decisions (105,619) by Anonymous from USA
It's a very interesting theory Jamie. I would love to know what exactly happened but I just can't imagine my life without the Glitter soundtrack. Good or bad for her image, I am glad we got the music when we did. I remember the Hero/Never Too Far performance and I know that was meant to be because it brought our country some much needed comfort at the time. I'm one of those people that believe that everything happens for a reason. Glitter is, at least for me, a masterpiece and one of my favorite projects and I'll forever cherish it. I'm still patiently waiting for the movie to be re-released in digital format.
(Wednesday 21 February 2024; 00:06)
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General public or bad decisions (105,618) by MusicfanJ from Germany
Great post Jamie. I love considerations. I think it's a bit of all things you mentioned, her "music change" during Butterfly, the Glitter debacle with the public breakdown and later some wrong decisions by the management and Mariah (if she was involved in album single choices, I don't know). As you said Mariah could do no wrong in the 90ies. She was like a music princess, loved by almost everyone and even people who didn't like her style of singing only had respect for her. I think what really caused damage was the image after 2001. Friends often told me back than "what's going on with Mariah, her dressing, behavior etc." They also didn't understand her humour and diva antics. A lot of people still don't get it. I always tell them, she's just playing a role like an actress. It's more for fun and a little self-protection.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 20:18)
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General public or bad decisions (105,617) by Tevin from USA
Personally I think life just happens. At least in respect to the post TMB era. Had Mariah not ran off with Nick, had LA Reid not stupidly picked Bye Bye over Migrate, and had Mariah not disappeared because of tragic events (miscarriage) which is completely understandable, she could have kept up the promotion of E=MC2, which was still a great album in the eyes of the public. I mean Obsessed did well and so did Beautiful, so at the GP was still crazy about Mariah. I think it just came down to a few bad decisions by the Corporate Morgue, and Mariah (right or wrong) not putting 100% into stuff because she wanted to start her family life, which is great. I'm sure she would give up a ton of her success just to have the blessing of having two wonderful kids.

Anyway I always wondered, had Mariah not met Nick and fully stayed in "work mode", had the E=MC2 tour happened, I would think that Mariah would have definitely ruled the charts at least until the mid 2010s, rather than fading away in 08, with a small popular blip in 09 and 13 respectively.

Man oh man, I wish the E=MC2 concert would have happened. Imagine the hype and party feel that would have brought. Can you imagine the high notes from Migrate kicking in and opening the show. Shoot maybe Mariah would have went full or mostly pop then afterwards, instead of slow mid tempo RnB that she went back to.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 19:46)
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Amazon Music sales chart (105,616) by T from USA
Early today the remix was at tenth spot in the new release section and 56th in total song sales. Then it went up to #7 in new releases and #36 in total song sales. In the last hour it's dropped back to #9 in new releases and #60 in total song sales. We can definitely bring these numbers up at Amazon Music. Let's go get em.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 19:27)
Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,615) by T from USA
You're right. It's up to Billboard at this point. But we can really sway their decision by helping it get one more point this week and re-enter the Top 10. So today everyone buy the remix from Ari's site and Amazon and iTunes. And stream stream stream for the next few days. Stay triumphant keep on living.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 19:23)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,614) by Tevin from USA
Thanks for the clarification.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 19:16)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,613) by jaker20 from US
We don't know. It's going to be very very close. The remix should have more points than the original for her to get credit. Both versions together, it is at no.11 and went +49%. Assuming the original dropped like it did last week, then the remix portion of that should be more than 50% already, giving Mariah credit at this point already. There is no way the original went up after the remix is released, unless there is some shady stuff going on behind the scenes. The 3 new remixes released by Ariana's team complicates it slightly, but it's not doing any numbers currently.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 17:43)
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General public or bad decisions (105,612) by Jamie from UK
I'm sat here and a thought came into my head regarding Mariah and her career. For the majority of the 1990's Mariah could do no wrong, she was America's sweetheart and had countless number one songs and albums. People took her into their hearts and adored her. From 1997 she made what some call a drastic change in musical direction and lost some of her core fanbase as a result. However she continued to have number one songs and albums even through a difficult time with Sony and Tommy Mottola. Why was it then that during her most difficult time in her life in 2001 did people turn their backs on her? Surely someone who they had grown to love had spent so long adoring her and buying her music would want to support her during this difficult time. Glitter and Charmbracelet failed to sell anywhere near what she would normally sell. My point is, is it the general public who turn on an artist so quickly, is it the music industry and media that set current trends what is a hit and what the people want or is it bad decisions made by Mariah the artist. For me it's just difficult to understand how such a quick switch in popularity can happen with someone who was literally a force of nature at one point. Firstly I don't think the whole Glitter film helped her persona one bit, 9/11 didn't help but the film just wasn't good enough 9/11 or not. The album or soundtrack is great but in hindsight should it have been left on the shelf once the film tanked to help control the damage from the film and save her also having a music flop too which was unheard of at the time. Would her next album then have been more well received by the public. For me I like Charmbracelet but it feels almost like a complete different body of work to the rest of her catalogue (present and past included) the whole vibe is just different. Were bad decisions made by Mariah creatively should she have come back with an upbeat track ala Fantasy/Honey mode and had less rappers on the album, it would be interesting to see if the Glitter album hadn't been released and she had come back with a stronger album (maybe a combination of Glitter tracks and new ones and called it something else) how her popularity would have been at that time and now. Or had the public already turned their backs on her and changed their view of her as a person. Obviously we had Emancipation but that was very short lived, and since then with the exception of Touch My Body and Christmas she hasn't got anywhere near the popularity she should have had. Do you think the general public just doesn't warm to her anymore, is it Mariah's decisions of music creativity or the way her persona has come across post 2001, or do you think it's the music industry making wrong decisions for her career? We can't change what happens but sometimes it's interesting to put a different spin on how we think things could have gone or been. Would love to hear your views and where you think things went wrong or could have been different for her.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 17:36)
Guys don't forget Amazon (105,611) by T from USA
You can get the single here on Amazon Music. They tally their sales right at the end of the chart week and often offer a good surprise to the artists for the chart. This might be the place that Yes, And remix finds its biggest sales success. Order it today.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 17:02)
Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,610) by T from USA
I agree, but we still have a chance. Those new dance mixes will keep points from the original one lower as less people will be checking on the OG these next few days. We can still do our Mariah part. We are literally one Billboard "point" away from Top 10. And we know the song has to have risen a jump of over 50% from last week. Right now it's at a 48% jump from last week. So let's go all out today and tomorrow.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 16:56)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,609) by T from USA
Well right now, as of their prediction is the song will come in at #11 with a 48% increase from last weeks chart placement. We know that an over 50% increase automatically gives the remix a new credit. So by getting it into the top 10 this week will mean it did go over 50% of an increase from last week, hence the credit. But we only really have today to Thursday morning to do it. So stream now like never before. Buy the remix single off Airana's website. Because next week we know it's going down. This week is the best chance for a Top 10.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 16:53)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,608) by Tevin from USA
Ok so I'm confused, if the OG reaches the top ten, does Mariah get credit or no? Some people say yes, some say no. I'm confused, how does this all work? How can a remix overtake an OG song?
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 15:30)
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Stacey and Robert (105,607) by enwar00 from usa
Agreed. That name sounded familiar once you said it. Don't remember the posts though. I feel like I discovered this site during The Emancipation of Mimi, which is almost 20 years ago. Gulp.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 15:23)
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It just occured to me (105,606) by jaker20 from US
It was the lambs who got it to rise that high. It's patently confirmed math. It had a huge drop last week, and then rose 49% this week. This is all lambs' work. That's just math. Its also confirmed that on the same day that these numbers came out, they released 3 new remixes. They just want all the numbers but they don't want her be credited. It would be hilarious if she still manage to squeak by lol. I guess we'll find out in the next few days.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 15:13)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,605) by Tameka walker from United states
Thank you so much. I will come through for Mariah.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 15:06)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,604) by jaker20 from US
Its seems like it's now just 1%. It's going to be very close to get her credited. That 3 new remixes released by Ariana's team was very very trashy behavior on the same day they found out that its going to be close.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 15:05)
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It just occured to me (105,603) by Jamie from UK
Yes I agree, it's a catchy song at first which I like, but it's not strong enough to stay around longer than it has. I've enjoyed the remix too, but like you said the original was already waning. Had the remix been the original version, then I'm sure it would have been number 1 and still lasted the same amount of time on the charts as the original has done. It's not a poor performance from either Ariana or Mariah, it's just one of those fly in fly out songs.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 14:54)
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Buy the single here today (105,602) by T from USA
Here is the link to the physical single. Collectors item. It's only $1.99 but can help so much today.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 13:58)
Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,601) by T from USA
If you download the iTunes app. Or on your computer go to the iTunes website, you can purchase the song for a dollar. You have to put in your credit card number. The song will automatically go into a folder in your iTunes app called "my library". It's really simple if you try. You can also buy it from Amazon, just make sure it's the remix version. It's right on the edge of being #11 on the Hot 100, and being #10. Predictions have it at #11 missing the top 10 by literally one point. So we can push the needle today with more sales, more streams. Today's the day. Go get em.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 13:56)
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Yes, And so close to top 10. Now or never (105,600) by Lighty from China
You can actually buy the CD single from Ariana's website.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 13:42)
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It just occured to me (105,599) by MusicfanJ from Germany
"Like I said, I think Mariah did it just to return a favor, dipped her toes, but didn't completely jump in." That's what I believe too. I'm waiting for a song only by Mariah. I don't want another young "trendy" singer or rapper. Just pure Mariah, no matter if it will be jazz, gospel or rnb. Just Mariah. Is it too much to ask for? I think not.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 12:40)
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It just occured to me (105,598) by Shezz from Pk
True. Mariah and Ariana should have collaborated on a new song. After a couple of listens the song did grow on me and I heard it on repeat a lot but I asked myself why I myself or others didn't like it more:

First of all, it's not a new song. Even though Mariah adds a lot of layers to this song and her new verse, it's still 99% the same song that A) has been played out and B) people didn't love much to begin with.

I didn't find Mariah's vocals as grating or out of place as some people did. If Mariah, Ariana and Max Martin put them through - this is the style of singing they obviously wanted from her.

I don't believe this remix is tanking because of Mariah's vocals. This song was on its way out of the top 40 anyway. It will push it back to the top 15 for a week and of course the original will be credited as it has more streams/downloads I'm sure.

The opposite was true for Big Energy. It was a breakout hit and steadily climbing the charts when the remix came out and it just pushed it more. That wad good timing, this was not. It is certainly not the disaster many people think it is. It is just another building block for MC 16 which I'm sure will have the lyrics, music and vocals for all of us.
(Tuesday 20 February 2024; 03:59)
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