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Heartbreakers video (101,498) by AgentM from UK

I think because it was the most expensive at the time, a few million from memory. You don't get budgets of that size for music videos anymore.
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 18:53)


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Heartbreakers video (101,497) by Matty from Vancouver Canada

I think because [it] was a full cinematic experience, it had a story line, an alter ego villain and vengeance against an ex who is a famous actor. Then the extremely sexy remix video with the car wash, roller skates and black and white treatment. The videos couldn't be more different which was brilliant. I'd say her only videos after that, on that level where Touch My Body and Obsessed.
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 18:40)


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Soundtracks (101,496) by Matty from Vancouver Canada

True; I'd give Rainbow the prize for [lyrics], and [give] Glitter the prize for beats, flow and production. I think How Much, X-Girlfriend and Did I do That are really jarring in contrast to the beauty of songs like Bliss and After Tonight. I could never choose between Heatbreaker (including remix) and Loverboy (including remix) both songs still thrill me.

"Gimme [your love], cause I want my sugar [daddy], incessantly."

(Thursday 20 October 2022; 18:34)


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Soundtracks (101,495) by Bill from the UK

I thought I was wrong once but turns out I was mistaken.
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 08:13)


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Soundtracks (101,494) by Bill from the UK

I think I prefer Rainbow because I think it's stronger melodically. So Heartbreaker and the remix are great, and I sort of directly compare them against Loverboy and the remix. I also think CTTA, Bliss, After Tonight, Petals and the Interlude are beautiful ballads. With Glitter I love Lead the Way but don't think Reflections and Twister are as strong as the Rainbow ballads. I agree Glitter is more cohesive, and as much as I adore If We and Don't Stop, I feel Mariah needed to be on those songs more than just singing the hook.

I also have to state that in respect of her albums, my top albums of all time are all hers, then the list goes into other artists. This is why she's my favourite.
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 08:13)


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Heartbreakers video (101,493) by Bobby A from United States

Why was the Heartbreaker video ground breaking when it premiered in 1999? MC has never made another video like it since.
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 07:05)

Soundtracks (101,492) by enwar00 from usa

Oh yes, I also think Glitter is superior to Rainbow.

(Thursday 20 October 2022; 00:56)


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Soundtracks (101,491) by jaker20 from US

It's ok to say you're wrong, you know.

(Thursday 20 October 2022; 00:41)


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Soundtracks (101,490) by Matty from Vancouver Canada

Bill, I absolutely agree with your point about "I'll be Lovin' u Long Time".

That song is unbelievable and I'm shocked it didn't go to the top 5 (#58 on Billboard wasn't enough appreciation for such a jam). But to say Glitter wasn't as good as Rainbow is beyond offensive. I don't like Music Box, but I can understand its mastery. Glitter was a masterpiece, a far superior album to Rainbow IMO. Rainbow was a marketing and PR success, the actual music...

It's such a hard album to listen start to finish. Most of Mariah's albums I can only listen start to finish. Rainbow and MIAMTEC are the two albums I feel have no flow or smoothness. They are a mish-mash of songs that don't flow or have a vibe imo.

Emotions, Butterfly, MOAIA and Caution are the most vibe centric albums, listen start to finish albums Mimi has produced.

(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 23:26)


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Soundtracks (101,489) by Bill from the UK

You still don't get it, but that's cool.
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 22:23)


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Soundtracks (101,488) by jaker20 from US

You're going in circles my dear, because I caught you backpeddaling. Take a deep breath, it's not personal. Anyway, at least you finally open mind a little? When you say you want her to do jazz and gospel, great. Now we're going somewhere. See, that's easy to do, I don't randomly shoot down ideas.

Because, at this stage of her career, she should be free to do anything, specially areas where the potential is limitless (soundtracks). It's a genre that doesn't have many biases, and doesn't have as much time constraints.

She can whip up a song, or something that's already on her vault, and not be burdened releasing a full album.

Is that "spending her remaining years"? Don't be dramatic hon. Rihanna, who is basically retired, recorded something for Black Panther. Many artists wrote soundtrack songs long after their peaks, then gets Oscar nominated even though no one heard them.

In the end, you need to let go of many of your biases as to what success means. She is 50, an icon, a legend. She should do whatever she wants. For herself. If she touches even just one person, it will be worth it.
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 17:25)


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Soundtracks (101,487) by Bill from the UK

Okay so you still don't get the point. My personal opinion of what material is good doesn't mean it translates to success or is the right move. For example I always thought I'll Be Loving You Long Time was the best song on E=MC2, but it bombed when it was released. I stand by what I said, sorry you didn't understand. To make it a bit clearer, Glitter's a great album as I said, but the debut, Emotions, Unplugged, Music Box, Merry Christmas, Daydream, Butterfly, Rainbow, Emancipation and Caution are all better. Right to Dream is heartfelt, but Vanishing, Love Takes Time, Till the End of Time, The Wind, I'll Be There, Never Forget You, I Am Free, Looking In, Butterfly, My All, Whenever You Call, Outside, I Still Believe, Can't Take That Away, After Tonight, Petals, My Saving Grace, Sunflowers, Mine Again, We Belong Together, Circles, For the Record, Bye Bye, I Stay In Love, Cry, I Want to Know What Love Is and Portrait are moreso. When You Believe is a fine duet but I'll Be There, Endless Love and One Sweet Day are miles better.

I've always been open minded about Mariah doing something new and different. Soundtracks have been done with not much success, either chart wise or with the fan base. If you think Mariah's remaining years are best spent on songs like Infamous and Almost Home, which connected with nobody and did nothing for their associated projects, then great. I've long advocated for her to do a jazz or gospel album as that is unexplored territory, something fresh and different, and something that may suit her current voice (jazz).

Remember, not everybody who disagrees with you is out to get you. It's just an opinion.
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 08:53)


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Christmas surprises (101,486) by Susana from USA

Yes. I need her version of Where are you Christmas. Every year I want to hear it and every time there's an announcement, I'm disappointed to not have it included. She should definitely have it in the next Christmas album she releases.
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 01:26)


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Mariah appreciation thread (101,485) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway

It's hard to mention two things without not mentioning her angelic voice. I appreciate how her voice was, and one live version of a song comes to mind that always gives me goosebumps, her live rendition of Never Too Far/Hero medley. When she sings that last line in her whisper register, it's a testimony to of how beautiful she can sing.

What I appreciate today is that compared to other stars who have had the same level of fame, she is the only one who seems to have her s**t together. She hasn't succumbed to drugs or any other addiction, and hasn't had a ton of plastic surgery, and it seems like she is a very good mother.

(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 19:14)


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Soundtracks (101,484) by jaker20 from US

What a weird post. You are literally saying she shouldn't do it because its "not her strong point" in spite of you praising their quality just a post prior. Read your posts again. Lets see, Tennessee. Great song. But didn't go anywhere. Therefore, she shouldn't do it again? And now you're saying Celine did it better. So what? Therefore she shouldn't do it? Im not even sure you realize how weird you sound.

I will stick by what I said. Your judgement on Mariah is clouded by these success metrics that you can't even consistently articulate. At this point in her career, you should be more open minded and loosen up from what she's done in the past instead shooting down ideas.

No one said soundtracks was Mary J. Blige and Beyonce's forte, but that got them nominated for Mighty River and Be Alive long after their pop star peaks. All it took was them doing it.

Soundtrack are just songs made for movies. They also take a journey of luck and unexpected results when it goes out to the public. It's also a space that doesn't discriminate based on age and style.

Mariah's done it well before, and I'm confident she can do it again.

"Never ever listen to anybody who try to discourage you, they do that. Believe me."
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 18:42)


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Mariah appreciation thread (101,483) by Lady B from USA

Name two things you appreciate about Mariah, one from then (whenever "then" is for you) and one from now. Go.
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 15:21)

Soundtracks (101,482) by Bill from the UK

I don't care whether Mariah's music charts or not, so long as it's good. In the UK she only has had three number ones, two of them covers. I'm not used to her dominating the charts like in the US.

My point, which you missed, was that soundtracks aren't her speciality nor her strong point. Let me (gasp) compare her efforts to Celine Dion's. Beauty and the Beast, When I Fall In Love (Sleepless In Seattle), Because You Loved Me (Up Close and Personal), and My Heart Will Go On (Titanic) were all huge internationally successful songs. If you have Celine on your soundtrack it is likely to do well, Mariah, maybe not.

Mariah's strengths lie elsewhere was the point. Sometimes it seems like you look for things that aren't even there just to cause friction.
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 14:45)


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Soundtracks (101,481) by Randy from USA

Let me jump in here for a second. No one disrespects her non-hit ventures more than Mariah does. When she did her Charmbracelet whirlwind, she continuously touted that Glitter was "a soundtrack" and a "concept" record and that she thought it was unfair that people were comparing it to her album sales. She loved saying it came out on September 11th as a reason for it not selling, but didn't Jay-Z's iconic album The Blueprint come out the same day and sell millions and millions? I hate the way MC dogs out Through The Rain and Bye Bye as being the reason their respective albums doesn't sell. Mariah is forever talking about her number ones. Doesn't she have two albums named number ones? With one of them having a Billboard chart replication on the back. If lambs are chart obsessed and down her non-hit songs, we learned it from Mother Carey herself. And Bill, Right to Dream is still her best lyric period and the reason I still Daydeam about Glitter encrusted Butterflies flying through Charmbracelets with both Caution and Emotions towards a Rainbow.
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 12:17)


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Soundtracks (101,480) by jaker20 from US

So you yourself call Tennesse being "heartfelt and unique" and Glitter a "great album and great concept", but because they didn't chart well, you devalue the whole effort like they're worthless. Arts not charts. Move on. When I say lambs are chart-obsessed your post is a great example yet again.

And When You Believe is a great iconic song. It's also one of Mariah's most streamed songs, consistently in her top 5-i, beating most of her "hits". The disrespect some of you have on her "non hit songs" is gross.
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 04:22)


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Soundtracks (101,479) by Bill from the UK

Let's look at Mariah's track record with soundtracks to bring this back down to earth:

1. When You Believe with Whitney. Two biggest voices on the planet came together yet didn't make the top 20 of the US charts. A moderate hit elsewhere, but not the tour de force people may have expected.

2. Glitter. I probably don't need to elaborate on this. A great album, a great concept, but the execution was a disaster.

3. Tennessee. Sorry Randy but Right to Dream didn't go anywhere sadly, despite it being quite a heartfelt and unique offering in Mariah's catalogue.

4. Almost Home. Mariah didn't even write this one from memory. It didn't feature in the film and was stuck on the very end of the closing credits.

5. Infamous. Just no, I've played that song 2 and a half times and I never want to hear it again.
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 01:44)


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Soundtracks (101,478) by jaker20 from US

What I want Mariah to do is record soundtrack songs. Because that area is accepting to any artists, any age, any style. And its exposure has more unpredictable results thats doesn't depend on her promoting it, which lets face it, she doesn't do much anymore. Soundtracks have a life of its own. She's been in the industry for along time, and I had hoped that she's connected with many artists to jump into soundtracks of different movies.
(Monday 17 October 2022; 21:52)

Mariah Carey appreciation (101,477) by jaker20 from US

No one has Mariah's career. No. One. No artist manage to dominate pop music for an entire generation. And then dominates a full season in a year, every year. Many have one or the other, but not both. It's so easy to forget what she's achieved. Her career is incomparable to anyone. That's not hyperbole. That is fact. Try it. You can't name one like her career (male or female).
(Monday 17 October 2022; 21:31)


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Christmas surprises (101,476) by jaker20 from US

Why sit this out? This is literally the only time of the year that Mariah goes out there to perform and most actively connecting to fans, and can truly call her own.

I'm not sure why people seem to think her Christmas achievement can come naturally and can just easily sit it out and reap the benefits. She kept promoting this song since the song's inception every Christmas which means for the last 25 years, and finally reaping the benefits of her perseverance. And just 5 years ago, stans of other artists mocks Mariah as being nothing but a Christmas artist. Until she hit no.1 and now they all want the same legacy.

Just because Mariah is the "Queen of Christmas" doesn't mean that achievement can't be snatched by another artist very easily. Kelly for example has been going hard every Christmas and has been gaining. Ariana is doing the same. They are just waiting for an opening.

So no, she can't "sit this one out". Unless she is releasing a new Christmas song.
(Monday 17 October 2022; 21:25)


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Christmas surprises (101,475) by Terna from Nigeria

I just want her own version of "Where are you Christmas". With [lyrics] like "My [world] is changing, I'm rearranging" (damn she's such a powerful lyricist), I feel like those words are hers, it's a very personal song, reflective of the turmoil she was going through at the time.

(Monday 17 October 2022; 20:35)


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Christmas surprises (101,474) by Terna from Nigeria

Chill out Mr. confused and lighten up. There is no disrespect in that post hinting Whitney and Celine, or you also don't have the capacity to recognize genuine humor.

Not the kind you tried to pass off as "funny" in the not so distant past Mr. "Armbracelet". Yeah I still recall.

And just as a side note, Mariah's only true competition or close equal was Whitney Houston. I don't know where you get that idea Celine could outsing Mariah. When did you ever hear "You're the next Celine Dion"? Exactly my point. Sit down.

(Monday 17 October 2022; 20:24)


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