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Born this Mimi (108,695)
by Zachariah from Croatia
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Indeed. I will (again) came as ignorant but, why is there a problem now with the nickname Mimi? How did this a topic now? After 20 years? I don't get it.
(Friday 9 May 2025; 19:27)
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Born this Mimi (108,691)
by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
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In the music video Boy I Need You released in 2003, Cam'ron said in the intro "Alright Mimi, be good."
(Friday 9 May 2025; 15:39)
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Born this Mimi (108,694)
by Edward from USA
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That doesn't mean anything really. You've never heard anybody call her that, ever, not then, not now. I love the title though, I just don't believe her close friends ever called her that. As fans we complied though, and it was something different.
(Friday 9 May 2025; 19:16)
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Born this Mimi (108,691)
by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
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In the music video Boy I Need You released in 2003, Cam'ron said in the intro "Alright Mimi, be good."
(Friday 9 May 2025; 15:39)
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Born this Mimi (108,693)
by Bobby A from United States
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It's interesting that Camron was calling MC Mimi during their professional relationship back then. I just wonder if Boy I Need You is really about him. 
(Friday 9 May 2025; 18:54)
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Born this Mimi (108,691)
by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
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In the music video Boy I Need You released in 2003, Cam'ron said in the intro "Alright Mimi, be good."
(Friday 9 May 2025; 15:39)
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Born this Mimi (108,692)
by Lighty from China
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I thought it was "alright meet me, be good"?
(Friday 9 May 2025; 18:42)
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Born this Mimi (108,691)
by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
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In the music video Boy I Need You released in 2003, Cam'ron said in the intro "Alright Mimi, be good."
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Born this Mimi (108,691)
by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
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In the music video Boy I Need You released in 2003, Cam'ron said in the intro "Alright Mimi, be good."
(Friday 9 May 2025; 15:39)
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Born this Mimi (108,687)
by Edward from USA
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The Emancipation of "Who?"
Are we ever going to sit down and talk about how Mariah just woke up one day, said "Call me Mimi", and the entire world ate that shit up? Child please, who exactly was calling you that before 2005? That nickname was never uttered by any of her close friends during any of her most memorable eras. But suddenly it's "The Emancipation of Mimi" and we all ate it up like it was a fresh batch of hot tamales. Maybe is right there on her birth certificate: Mimi Carey, possibly born in 1970.
Iconic? Absolutely, but Mimi please.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 19:49)
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Born this Mimi (108,690)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I never understood the love for this "new" nickname too. MC sounds cool.  Mariah is such a beautiful name. I remember how I was wondering in 95 who the Fantasy singer on the radio was. When I heard the name Mariah I loved it so much. Mariah Carey best name. 
(Friday 9 May 2025; 11:15)
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Born this Mimi (108,687)
by Edward from USA
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The Emancipation of "Who?"
Are we ever going to sit down and talk about how Mariah just woke up one day, said "Call me Mimi", and the entire world ate that shit up? Child please, who exactly was calling you that before 2005? That nickname was never uttered by any of her close friends during any of her most memorable eras. But suddenly it's "The Emancipation of Mimi" and we all ate it up like it was a fresh batch of hot tamales. Maybe is right there on her birth certificate: Mimi Carey, possibly born in 1970.
Iconic? Absolutely, but Mimi please.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 19:49)
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Tommy book (108,689)
by Edward from USA
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I had read the book when it first came out back in 2013, but I had forgotten certain things. I have learned that the truth usually lies in the middle. Thanks for the summary, Jamie, much appreciated. And happy belated birthday.
(Friday 9 May 2025; 01:41)
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Tommy book (108,688)
by Jamie from UK
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So I've now finished the book, the last part of the Mariah section finished with him talking about how they grew even further apart after her decisions. He particularly blames the Grammys, he said that if she'd won for the [Daydream] era it could have maybe saved them a bit longer by putting a band aid over the cracks. He thinks the reason she didn't win anything for [Daydream] was because the powers that be were keeping her in check because she was basically taking over the music industry. He says people in her entourage started spinning stories that she was locked in with security guards. Which is what we hear from Mariah herself, he says the truth is that while he was home sleeping after long working days, she was out at clubs and not returning until daybreak and this was when his anxieties and mistrust began to manifest. He says he can understand how overwhelming everything must have been for Mariah coming from a place of no rules or regulations growing up. People making decisions, suggesting and telling her what to do could have been overwhelming and made her feel like she's lost control of her life. He apologizes saying if it seemed like I was controlling let me apologize again. He admits he was obsessive, but he also admits that was also part of the reason for her success. If [you'rr] not controlling things well in that particular job then [you're] not gonna hold that position for long, he says the problem was him being the chairman of Sony and also her husband at the same time. He says things got more tense with them and she became more resentful that in the end he wrote Mariah a little note from lyrics by Elton John. It read: "Butterflies are free to fly. Fly away." Weeks later they were separated. I have really enjoyed reading this book, it has drawn me back to my memories of Mariah from when I was younger. Whilst we all evolve I miss those early days. It's crazy to think I was 12 years old when Mariah first came out. I was 47 yesterday it's been 35 years of me loving Mariah. At times I've expressed my views and disappoints at times but hopefully you can understand why, when she's been part of my life for so long. So Mariah if you're reading this, I love you and thank you for bringing me so much joy. Next time I'm in NYC with work let's hook up. I can all but dream.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 21:55)
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by Jamie from UK
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So I've now finished the book, the last part of the Mariah section finished with him talking about how they grew even further apart after her decisions. He particularly blames the Grammys, he said that if she'd won for the [Daydream] era it could have maybe saved them a bit longer by putting a band aid over the cracks. He thinks the reason she didn't win anything for [Daydream] was because the powers that be were keeping her in check because she was basically taking over the music industry. He says people in her entourage started spinning stories that she was locked in with security guards. Which is what we hear from Mariah herself, he says the truth is that while he was home sleeping after long working days, she was out at clubs and not returning until daybreak and this was when his anxieties and mistrust began to manifest. He says he can understand how overwhelming everything must have been for Mariah coming from a place of no rules or regulations growing up. People making decisions, suggesting and telling her what to do could have been overwhelming and made her feel like she's lost control of her life. He apologizes saying if it seemed like I was controlling let me apologize again. He admits he was obsessive, but he also admits that was also part of the reason for her success. If [you'rr] not controlling things well in that particular job then [you're] not gonna hold that position for long, he says the problem was him being the chairman of Sony and also her husband at the same time. He says things got more tense with them and she became more resentful that in the end he wrote Mariah a little note from lyrics by Elton John. It read: "Butterflies are free to fly. Fly away." Weeks later they were separated. I have really enjoyed reading this book, it has drawn me back to my memories of Mariah from when I was younger. Whilst we all evolve I miss those early days. It's crazy to think I was 12 years old when Mariah first came out. I was 47 yesterday it's been 35 years of me loving Mariah. At times I've expressed my views and disappoints at times but hopefully you can understand why, when she's been part of my life for so long. So Mariah if you're reading this, I love you and thank you for bringing me so much joy. Next time I'm in NYC with work let's hook up. I can all but dream.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 21:55)
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Tommy book (108,672)
by Jamie from UK
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So today I've read the Daydream era from him. He knew which direction she wanted to go and gave her the tools to do. He initially said he was reluctant to put ODB on the [Fantasy] remix but then after hearing it he knew it was a hit. He says Daydream gave her the all round genre approach and finally she got the hip hop audience she so wanted. He says he was happy with this and it had been a complete success. The only problem then came with [Fantasy] remix success was that Mariah was now saying this is the only direction she wanted to go in. Sony and himself were concerned and tried to tell her that she can be all genres she could have everything and have every demographic unlike anyone that's come before her. They were concerned that going strictly down this path would isolate some of her fans and ultimately reduce sales. But Mariah was adamant and this is where the cracks began. I have to agree with him here, whilst I love hip hop Mariah, she has so many layers to her that she can and did appeal to a wider audience. I think she ultimately became too hip hop for her fanbase and ultimately sales did decline. Whilst we as fans know that her late albums still contain some ballads, I think to the general public because she was heavily hip hop and this was the image she was portraying, a far cry from who they thought she was, they turned their backs and didn't know that there were still some ballads on their at least post Butterfly. Whilst Emancipation brought a whole new audience, I think from her early fans and audience the damage was done. Had she not been so focused on the hip hop side and kept her image appealing to everyone I think her sales and reputation would have been more favourable. Who knows? That's just my opinion, I just think it was too much of a fast transition for most. He ultimately says they respect artists intentions but also that there's a team behind them that it's their jobs to allow creativity but also to try and nurture them into a path that they think would be right for the artist and their public image.
(Monday 5 May 2025; 17:46)
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Born this Mimi (108,687)
by Edward from USA
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The Emancipation of "Who?"
Are we ever going to sit down and talk about how Mariah just woke up one day, said "Call me Mimi", and the entire world ate that shit up? Child please, who exactly was calling you that before 2005? That nickname was never uttered by any of her close friends during any of her most memorable eras. But suddenly it's "The Emancipation of Mimi" and we all ate it up like it was a fresh batch of hot tamales. Maybe is right there on her birth certificate: Mimi Carey, possibly born in 1970.
Iconic? Absolutely, but Mimi please.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 19:49)
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Migrate (108,686)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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I'm hoping she includes it in Rarities 2.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 19:10)
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Met Gala (108,685)
by TJ from Norway
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Migrate? Never heard about that one. Is that one of those songs who never made it to the album, and have secretly leaked online?
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 14:02)
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Met Gala (108,685)
by TJ from Norway
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Migrate? Never heard about that one. Is that one of those songs who never made it to the album, and have secretly leaked online?
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 14:02)
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Met Gala (108,678)
by Edward from USA
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It's not only you. "When I Feel It" is not a bad song, it's just an unpolished filler. I never heard anybody claim it was a potential hit. I like it more than "Secret Love" and "Sprung" though. The "Once in a Lifetime" ringtone, had it be turned into a full song, it would've been a great one. There's one song that nobody ever talks about that could've been #1, it's called " Migrate".
(Wednesday 7 May 2025; 23:47)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,684)
by Bobby A from United States
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No, I still have my faculties. Lol. I believe anything is possible. I just want MC to be back on top with one more album.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 13:33)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,681)
by Edward from USA
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Bobby A, are you out of your mind? Nobody's selling records like that anymore. What Mariah should focus on is crafting mature lyrics and unforgettable melodies. She'll be starting the defrosting process soon. I doubt we'll get new music anytime soon. She needs three weeks at #1 this year to reclaim the throne, so you can bet she'll be going all out for that. Then next year, she'll be inducted on the "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame", it's well deserved and long overdue.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 02:30)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,683)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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Mariah has been scrapping material like nobody's business. "Just let it die, with no goodbyes. Details don't matter, the lambs paid the price (with their patience)." Another TEOM won't happen for Mariah or anyone other than Taylor, but I hope her next body of work gets good promotion.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 04:04)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,679)
by Bobby A from United States
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I guess MC really did scrap those ten songs from 2023. Do you think their collaboration will enable MC to have sales numbers like TEOM's first week and year-end sales numbers? I believe MC and .Paak can do it. I am feeling good about their collaboration. What if MC16 is the type of music that MC has never done before? Songs that make people say hmmmmm. Did Mariah just say what I have been thinking for years?
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 01:07)
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When I Feel It (108,682)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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Ya I don't get the hype either but I see people on UKMix talking about When I Feel It for like weeks now and begging and hoping and praying for Mariah to release it because they think it's #1 material. As for Migrate, we shall start that pity party when E=MC2 20th comes in a few years haha.
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 04:00)
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Met Gala (108,678)
by Edward from USA
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It's not only you. "When I Feel It" is not a bad song, it's just an unpolished filler. I never heard anybody claim it was a potential hit. I like it more than "Secret Love" and "Sprung" though. The "Once in a Lifetime" ringtone, had it be turned into a full song, it would've been a great one. There's one song that nobody ever talks about that could've been #1, it's called " Migrate".
(Wednesday 7 May 2025; 23:47)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,681)
by Edward from USA
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Bobby A, are you out of your mind? Nobody's selling records like that anymore. What Mariah should focus on is crafting mature lyrics and unforgettable melodies. She'll be starting the defrosting process soon. I doubt we'll get new music anytime soon. She needs three weeks at #1 this year to reclaim the throne, so you can bet she'll be going all out for that. Then next year, she'll be inducted on the "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame", it's well deserved and long overdue.
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,679)
by Bobby A from United States
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I guess MC really did scrap those ten songs from 2023. Do you think their collaboration will enable MC to have sales numbers like TEOM's first week and year-end sales numbers? I believe MC and .Paak can do it. I am feeling good about their collaboration. What if MC16 is the type of music that MC has never done before? Songs that make people say hmmmmm. Did Mariah just say what I have been thinking for years?
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 01:07)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,680)
by Jamie from UK
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She scrapped them because she's working with Walter again. 
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 01:47)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,679)
by Bobby A from United States
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I guess MC really did scrap those ten songs from 2023. Do you think their collaboration will enable MC to have sales numbers like TEOM's first week and year-end sales numbers? I believe MC and .Paak can do it. I am feeling good about their collaboration. What if MC16 is the type of music that MC has never done before? Songs that make people say hmmmmm. Did Mariah just say what I have been thinking for years?
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 01:07)
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Article: Anderson .Paak confirms Mariah Carey collaboration (108,679)
by Bobby A from United States
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I guess MC really did scrap those ten songs from 2023. Do you think their collaboration will enable MC to have sales numbers like TEOM's first week and year-end sales numbers? I believe MC and .Paak can do it. I am feeling good about their collaboration. What if MC16 is the type of music that MC has never done before? Songs that make people say hmmmmm. Did Mariah just say what I have been thinking for years?
(Thursday 8 May 2025; 01:07)
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Met Gala (108,678)
by Edward from USA
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It's not only you. "When I Feel It" is not a bad song, it's just an unpolished filler. I never heard anybody claim it was a potential hit. I like it more than "Secret Love" and "Sprung" though. The "Once in a Lifetime" ringtone, had it be turned into a full song, it would've been a great one. There's one song that nobody ever talks about that could've been #1, it's called " Migrate".
(Wednesday 7 May 2025; 23:47)
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Met Gala (108,677)
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I might get cancelled for this but is it just me that doesn't really "feel" the song [When I feel it]. Like I don't get the hype. I have seen a lot of people really wanting this to be released and thinking it's a hit and I know music is subjective but personally I never have the urge to listen to it. Like I played [it] the other day just to refresh my memory and I was still like meh. So Lonely, One and Only and GYN would be songs I'd like to see promoted.
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by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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I might get cancelled for this but is it just me that doesn't really "feel" the song [When I feel it]. Like I don't get the hype. I have seen a lot of people really wanting this to be released and thinking it's a hit and I know music is subjective but personally I never have the urge to listen to it. Like I played [it] the other day just to refresh my memory and I was still like meh. So Lonely, One and Only and GYN would be songs I'd like to see promoted.
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Met Gala (108,676)
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Yes. Maybe Mariah is busy filming her music video for When I Feel It and arranging promotional dates on radio, tv and awards shows. Come on, with the right promos, When I Feel It could be a hit song for her in 2025.
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Yes. Maybe Mariah is busy filming her music video for When I Feel It and arranging promotional dates on radio, tv and awards shows. Come on, with the right promos, When I Feel It could be a hit song for her in 2025.
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Met Gala (108,675)
by Brandon from USA
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I guess MC was too busy preparing for her album and upcoming shows to go to the Met Gala this year. Maybe there's hope for next year.
(Tuesday 6 May 2025; 06:10)
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by Brandon from USA
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I guess MC was too busy preparing for her album and upcoming shows to go to the Met Gala this year. Maybe there's hope for next year.
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Tommy book (108,674)
by Bobby A from United States
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Jamie, thank you for sharing with us. I am enjoying your storytelling this week. We can only hope that Tommy's discovery of MC through 1996 will be told on film one day. I would say 1989-1996 are MC's glory years.
(Monday 5 May 2025; 20:27)
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Tommy book (108,672)
by Jamie from UK
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So today I've read the Daydream era from him. He knew which direction she wanted to go and gave her the tools to do. He initially said he was reluctant to put ODB on the [Fantasy] remix but then after hearing it he knew it was a hit. He says Daydream gave her the all round genre approach and finally she got the hip hop audience she so wanted. He says he was happy with this and it had been a complete success. The only problem then came with [Fantasy] remix success was that Mariah was now saying this is the only direction she wanted to go in. Sony and himself were concerned and tried to tell her that she can be all genres she could have everything and have every demographic unlike anyone that's come before her. They were concerned that going strictly down this path would isolate some of her fans and ultimately reduce sales. But Mariah was adamant and this is where the cracks began. I have to agree with him here, whilst I love hip hop Mariah, she has so many layers to her that she can and did appeal to a wider audience. I think she ultimately became too hip hop for her fanbase and ultimately sales did decline. Whilst we as fans know that her late albums still contain some ballads, I think to the general public because she was heavily hip hop and this was the image she was portraying, a far cry from who they thought she was, they turned their backs and didn't know that there were still some ballads on their at least post Butterfly. Whilst Emancipation brought a whole new audience, I think from her early fans and audience the damage was done. Had she not been so focused on the hip hop side and kept her image appealing to everyone I think her sales and reputation would have been more favourable. Who knows? That's just my opinion, I just think it was too much of a fast transition for most. He ultimately says they respect artists intentions but also that there's a team behind them that it's their jobs to allow creativity but also to try and nurture them into a path that they think would be right for the artist and their public image.
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by TJ from Norway
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Thank you so much. I should read it myself, but then again, I have never opened her own book. It's in the bookshelf, resting for a rainy day. 
(Monday 5 May 2025; 19:39)
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So far he's acknowledged that she wanted to go in different directions from the start but also that she didn't like [Hero] and didn't want it on Music Box. He said that she said it was too white bread. He felt that deep down she loved it especially when it became such a big hit, but that he felt it was more that she didn't want her fiends to think she was selling out as such. But he ultimately said she was the one writing these lyrics and no one put those words into her head. I personally feel that she knew deep down these were great songs and the right direction but her own rebellious side wanted to distance herself from them. You can't force natural talent and those lyrics. He even says he should never have got involved the way he did, she should have kept it a business arrangement. He said he's seen it time and time again where artists want to move away from their core base. He is very complimentary of Mariah and accepts her upbringing and insecurities but again those early years of music no one was forcing her to write those lyrics, they came from the heart. Also he says that it was Mariah who proposed to him. I genuinely think he loved her and his own insecurities blinded him when she was wanting to experiment musically. Sometimes when people get together it can bring out the worst traits even when they both love each other.
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So today I've read the Daydream era from him. He knew which direction she wanted to go and gave her the tools to do. He initially said he was reluctant to put ODB on the [Fantasy] remix but then after hearing it he knew it was a hit. He says Daydream gave her the all round genre approach and finally she got the hip hop audience she so wanted. He says he was happy with this and it had been a complete success. The only problem then came with [Fantasy] remix success was that Mariah was now saying this is the only direction she wanted to go in. Sony and himself were concerned and tried to tell her that she can be all genres she could have everything and have every demographic unlike anyone that's come before her. They were concerned that going strictly down this path would isolate some of her fans and ultimately reduce sales. But Mariah was adamant and this is where the cracks began. I have to agree with him here, whilst I love hip hop Mariah, she has so many layers to her that she can and did appeal to a wider audience. I think she ultimately became too hip hop for her fanbase and ultimately sales did decline. Whilst we as fans know that her late albums still contain some ballads, I think to the general public because she was heavily hip hop and this was the image she was portraying, a far cry from who they thought she was, they turned their backs and didn't know that there were still some ballads on their at least post Butterfly. Whilst Emancipation brought a whole new audience, I think from her early fans and audience the damage was done. Had she not been so focused on the hip hop side and kept her image appealing to everyone I think her sales and reputation would have been more favourable. Who knows? That's just my opinion, I just think it was too much of a fast transition for most. He ultimately says they respect artists intentions but also that there's a team behind them that it's their jobs to allow creativity but also to try and nurture them into a path that they think would be right for the artist and their public image.
(Monday 5 May 2025; 17:46)
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So far he's acknowledged that she wanted to go in different directions from the start but also that she didn't like [Hero] and didn't want it on Music Box. He said that she said it was too white bread. He felt that deep down she loved it especially when it became such a big hit, but that he felt it was more that she didn't want her fiends to think she was selling out as such. But he ultimately said she was the one writing these lyrics and no one put those words into her head. I personally feel that she knew deep down these were great songs and the right direction but her own rebellious side wanted to distance herself from them. You can't force natural talent and those lyrics. He even says he should never have got involved the way he did, she should have kept it a business arrangement. He said he's seen it time and time again where artists want to move away from their core base. He is very complimentary of Mariah and accepts her upbringing and insecurities but again those early years of music no one was forcing her to write those lyrics, they came from the heart. Also he says that it was Mariah who proposed to him. I genuinely think he loved her and his own insecurities blinded him when she was wanting to experiment musically. Sometimes when people get together it can bring out the worst traits even when they both love each other.
(Monday 5 May 2025; 05:31)
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So far he's acknowledged that she wanted to go in different directions from the start but also that she didn't like [Hero] and didn't want it on Music Box. He said that she said it was too white bread. He felt that deep down she loved it especially when it became such a big hit, but that he felt it was more that she didn't want her fiends to think she was selling out as such. But he ultimately said she was the one writing these lyrics and no one put those words into her head. I personally feel that she knew deep down these were great songs and the right direction but her own rebellious side wanted to distance herself from them. You can't force natural talent and those lyrics. He even says he should never have got involved the way he did, she should have kept it a business arrangement. He said he's seen it time and time again where artists want to move away from their core base. He is very complimentary of Mariah and accepts her upbringing and insecurities but again those early years of music no one was forcing her to write those lyrics, they came from the heart. Also he says that it was Mariah who proposed to him. I genuinely think he loved her and his own insecurities blinded him when she was wanting to experiment musically. Sometimes when people get together it can bring out the worst traits even when they both love each other.
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"As he felt he was falling in love with her." Who wouldn't at that time? To be the one who discovered Mariah, unbelievable. Yes, please share more about the book.
(Sunday 4 May 2025; 14:30)
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