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GOATS and Lambs (100,628) by Mirage_Nunez from America Okay I'm not sure if it was my last message that sparked this great divide or not, but let me just say "first of all we love everybody" and in my last message when I referred to some of you as the "day ones" and "OG fans" it wasn't intended to have negative connotation or be shady. I'm actually a day one fan, I remember when VOL first came out. Basically I was saying I understand how everyone feels on both sides of the table: the ones that the miss old Mariah (with the big hair, bangs, and flawless voice) that they fell deeply in love with to point that "even though they try they can't let go" and the lambs who have this unyielding unconditional love and reverence for MC for better or worse. We can all agree on one thing, we love MC. I do think this board has essentially become a place/a haven where the self proclaimed GOATS can come and vent all their nuances; while the ones who identify more as lambs has the rest of Social Media to have a more light positive fan experience. That's the way I've grown to see it anyway. We're all here to stay, lambs and GOATS exist beyond this one platform/medium of all things Mariah. (Thursday 30 June 2022; 23:04)

Re: Betcha Gon Know feat. Kiddyfiddler (100,625) (100,627) by Myles from CT, USA Haha. I am hoping it is gone for good. Never was a fan of the R. Kelly version. The original is epic enough. (Thursday 30 June 2022; 22:42)

Re: GOAT (100,618) (100,626) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I got a picture sms back in the day from a guy called Per Sundes, a music journalist here in Norway, who I know. The picture was from when he interviewed Mariah during TEOM era, and the text on that picture sms was: "Happy Easter Holliday from Mariah." (Thursday 30 June 2022; 18:31)

Betcha Gon Know feat. Kiddyfiddler (100,625) by Todd from Melbourne, Australia Taking bets. How long before the remix with old wet sheets is taken off the streamers? (Thursday 30 June 2022; 15:09)

Re: BET performance (100,620) (100,624) by Bill from the UK Is comparing a speech with a speech willfully obtuse? (Thursday 30 June 2022; 08:14)

Re: GOAT (100,621) (100,623) by Stacey from USA Quoting Eric, "I hope you all know that GOAT means 'Greatest Of All Time'. So when you call the older fans goats, then you're right. We are Mariah's greatest fans. We are here from the beginning and we are not going away." GOAT was initially a criticism thrown at some of us and we turned it into a positive. I've said this many times to folks who try to spar with me. I guess I need to say it again: I was here before you and I'll still be here long after you're gone. Carey on. (Thursday 30 June 2022; 04:52)

Re: BET performance (100,620) (100,622) by Stacey from USA First, I wasn't responding to you. Second, yes I did compare a speech to a performance. But you conveniently left out the fact I also included the Billboard Icon Award she received a year earlier, which if I'm not mistaken MC gave a speech as well. Who cares if I criticize Mariah? Who cares if I praise her? Who cares what I say? Sheesh, lol. It's just an opinion. Carey on. (Thursday 30 June 2022; 04:38)

Re: GOAT (100,618) (100,621) by Lady B from USA You do realize who came up with the term goat in this context, right? Hint: she's an amazing singer/songwriter. So when you criticize the term, you're criticizing her, which is very on brand for how negative folks are here a lot of the time. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 23:47)

Re: BET performance (100,619) (100,620) by Lady B from USA You are entitled to your opinion, and I am allowed to criticize that opinion. Comparing a performance to a speech is willfully obtuse, in my opinion. Obviously you disagree, which is fine. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 23:45)

Re: BET performance (100,609) (100,619) by Stacey from USA No. I have a right to express my opinion just like you do. Carey on. S. GOAT (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 20:56)

Re: GOAT (100,616) (100,618) by Stacey from USA I started online chat with the old MC pink boards during the Charmbracelet era. That's when I started collecting Mariah's CDs and discovered this website. I'm hitting 45 in the Fall. I'm definitely a GOAT. Look, there are all kinds of fans here, all with different backgrounds, etc. The thing to remember is we all love Mariah's music. Just chill out if someone writes an opinion you disagree with. Your life will be much happier, I promise. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 20:54)

Re: GOAT (100,616) (100,617) by Bobby A from United States This year on the board has been really interesting. I am glad that I am a Lamb. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 18:20)

Re: GOAT (100,611) (100,616) by Edward from USA Sir GOAT Eric, you know that's right. Many of this board have come and gone, but the GOAT always remain. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 16:57)

Re: BET performance (100,606) (100,615) by Edward from USA You can be a little bitchy. Were you born that way or did you pick it up later in life? (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 16:53)

Re: GOAT (100,611) (100,614) by Randy from USA Yeah I'm definitely a GOAT. I thought she did a really good job at BET even though I still can't tell if she was singing live or not. I watched it 5 times but whatever, I'll take any win at this point. I still don't like the abrasive texture of her full voice now, but she's definitely using her voice in its current state more than the studio tricks she did for years. It was wonderful that Latto gave her her flowers. And not one of my friends who love other divas had anything negative to say. Except why does a man have to help her move 5 steps. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 14:40)

Re: GOAT (100,611) (100,613) by TJ from Norway Proud to be a goat. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 13:13)

Re: GOAT (100,611) (100,612) by Bill from the UK Indeed. Us OG/GOAT fans know where it's at. I remembered this incredible speech Mariah gave at the BBMA Icon Awards. If she had done something like this for SHOF it would have been a beautiful and timeless moment. But, it is what it is. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 11:36)

GOAT (100,611) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I hope you all know that GOAT means "Greatest Of All Time". So when you call the older fans goats, then you're right. We are Mariah's greatest fans. We are here from the beginning and we are not going away. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 09:51)

Re: BET performance (100,601) (100,610) by Lady B from USA "I hope people can see the difference between last night/Billboard speech and the SHOF speech." Yes, for starters she was singing in one and giving an acceptance speech for something she worked hard toward for 30+ years in another. I agree it's different, such a good point! Both were amazing. I'm so proud of her. I love that she is enjoying herself after a long career of success and, frankly, no one of her peers are having this much success at 50+. It's a testament to her longevity and greatness that goats here often compare her to folks 10, 20 or 30 years her junior. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 08:49)

Re: BET performance (100,607) (100,609) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Then stop criticizing our beloved Mariah. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 07:48)

She's in on it (100,608) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I think the missing Lego piece for some Lambs (the group calling themselves the OG fans) is that the public loves the sunglass moments, and lighting jokes, the eye rolls and the tears every now and then etc. That's part of her signature. That's what made Mariah the Meme Queen of social media and has kept her relevant in the public discord even though she's only released three albums in the last 8 years. Non-Mariah fans that I know love that clip of her being wheeled to the stage in an office chair, and no one is laughing at her, they laugh with her. It's bloody hilarious. She knows how to play it out. She doesn't always hit her mark (ie: that radio interview she did years ago in NYC and tried her glasses bit and it didn't land), but people enjoy her and she enjoys them. Would you rather her take the Madonna route? Madonna looks like she was produced by the Mattel factory then stung with bees. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 02:35)

Re: BET performance (100,606) (100,607) by Stacey from USA Yes I can. My kids love me and my trademark. I am a goat after all in their eyes. My husband would agree too. Haha. Nice try. Look, there is a big difference between her BET moment, the Billboard speech, and the SHOF speech. I'm not saying she has to be a robot. We got enough of that during the Tommy years. But seriously to focus on lighting during a moment she's fought for decades to get recognition for baffles my mind. Moments like the BET performance remind everyone she truly is the goat. Leave the sunglasses at home. Sincerely, Lady Goat Stacey (Tuesday 28 June 2022; 19:39)

Re: BET performance (100,601) (100,606) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Why should she get rid of her gimmicks? It's her trademark, and what I have seen, her trademark has done good in life. Can you say that about your trademark? (Tuesday 28 June 2022; 16:56)

Re: BET performance (100,604) (100,605) by Carlos from Brazil It was so goooood! She and Latto finally did it. What a performance! (Tuesday 28 June 2022; 12:55)

Re: BET performance (100,599) (100,604) by Jamie from UK Did you hear that crowd? They loved her. Go MC. (Tuesday 28 June 2022; 07:42)

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