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Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,215) (97,220) by Hilton from USA Whew child. This was a whole vibe and I was here for every single bit of it. In life at some point or another you may come across people who just need to be left where they are to sit with themselves. Certain people deserve 0 air time and energy. Silence is the best answer sometimes. I was here for this though. I will say this. The name calling and insults are disgusting. When I look at who's doing it I am not the least bit surprised. Smh. Carry on with the show if y'all must. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 18:48)

Re: Hello (97,213) (97,219) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I shouldn't think anyone finds you boring, but rather charming and decent. I think many people were concerned for your well-being and are glad that you are well. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 17:35)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,216) (97,218) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I also believe Mariah can have a hit album again. But I believe a big redirection is required. Mariah needs to write actual songs at a piano with musicians other than Jermaine Dupri and incorporate new elements into her sound, rather than regurgitating the same sounds and formulae. Yet she seems way too focussed on pushing narratives that are spurious if not false. I would have thought this a perfect time to write an album over Zoom with others as there is not much else to do. And if she herself claims that she is in much better voice than Caution I am sure everyone wants to hear it. On the radio and television. New Summer/party album for June to August launch and singles release. September and October for Glitter nostalgia. November and December for Christmas with her actual non-Christmas catalogue incorporated into concerts/tv specials. (I really think the Christmas tour would benefit from using the most popular Christmas songs interwoven with the most popular hits - Fantasy, Heartbreaker, Obsessed and so on.) (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 17:30)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,215) (97,217) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Lmao ouch, harsh. Well written, though, so I'll think on it. Maybe, I'll tone the rhetoric down. It's just such a burden being right all the time. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 17:17)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,212) (97,216) by Leo from LAMBville I could continue and debate my statement for months as could those who disagree, however I will not. We will all have to agree to disagree. I will still stand by my opinion that Mariah doesn't need to change anything if she doesn't want to and can continue to follow the path she has since Charmbracelet. It is in my opinion that Mariah is focused on being Mariah the person however the person Mariah is such a mix of the "superstar" and her presentation of "little Mariah" which is fine and I accept and welcome however she wants/allows to be perceived and presented. If you've followed Mariah for the majority of her career you're aware of things she knowingly does that may or may not be a success to her "product/brand". It is my belief that she surrounds herself with "yes" people and as of recent has had less of a hand in both the business and creative side. She has confirmed this in some sense by the podcast where she said "Caution" was rushed and the push for songs that were not singles. During "Charmbracelet", Jerry Blair wanted to focus on the "woe is me but I am strong" marketing campaign. Oprah interview, national fan meet & greet contests, label funded street team and so forth. Mariah has even said after the facts she didn't think "Through The Rain" should have been the lead single. I just want Mariah to make music that she wants to make, that she is inspired by. She can sing the alphabet and I will download, stream and support it like any other release she has done. I support the memoir even though it wasn't fully what I expected and quickly dropping off the top of the NYT best sellers list. I think a biopic or series is a bad idea but guess what? I'll go hard for it. Mariah has cemented her place in history, a world class "diva" with astonishing highs and successes. I sadly though feel the general public doesn't subscribe to it anymore. Not specifically Mariah but the idea of how she is presented. When you say "divas" today it doesn't hold the same weight as it did in the 90's. Music doesn't matter anymore it feels like, the goal is shock, scandal, nudity and temporary trends. The more time that passes Mariah will continue to get her roses and references which I feel she will absolutely adore. I won't count out another across the board hit. Aretha Franklin had a hit 37 years into her career in 1998 with "A rose is still a rose" - granted it was with Lauryn Hill. In the same breath Luther Vandross in 2003 had a huge solo hit and he started in the 70's. Mariah's talent has afforded me a lot of sanity in a very bleak existence for majority of my life and I will forever be indebted to her. #1 or not. Zero expectations! (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 16:52)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,212) (97,215) by Anonymous from UK That Mariah has "abandoned good or successful music" is subjective, and heavily influenced by your said and apparent xenophobia. Either way, I'm not sure how many times we can tell you that it's not your place to deconstruct someone else's racial identity when you've absolutely no idea/can't relate to that and are evidently incorrect. You then reject my identification of you (when we've almost daily windows into your psyche), but think that yours of Mariah, whom you couldn't be further from, is still valid. At least be consistent, please. I agree with you that Mariah is often deluded, but I know she's not stupid enough not to see that Caution isn't shifting the amount that Music Box did. It's also very clear she doesn't care. She's repeatedly made decisions that have veered her off that course. Does that mean she doesn't want success? No, validation is always desired, especially from someone with her self esteem. But it means that at this point, with hundreds of millions in the bank and a secured legacy, she doesn't need that success and can create freely. If I had that much money, I 100% wouldn't go and do what anyone wanted me to/was popular for the sake of it, cause why would I ? I'm pretty sure that you've even defended her right to do so in the past. Critical response to a project - at this point, for an artist of her standing - is a lot more important than sales, unless you really think that a song hitting No.1/being successful (especially at this point in time) verifies its quality over all other work. If thats the case, then you write off songs that are considered classics because they weren't bought en masse. But I know you don't believe that. It just doesn't work that way. I'm sure I speak for others in saying that obv we'd like success, but I'd rather a quality Mariah album that's well received than a shit "on trend" album for sales. It would not only break a consistency Mariahs held, but if I wanted that, I'd be a Madonna fan. And I don't infer incorrectly - you talk nonsense about Mariah not working with white people, whilst discussing how a white girl will get her another hit. The underlying hate is the real issue here, not the words you choose to dress it up with, contradicting yourself whilst doing so and hi-lighting your identification/classification of others based on external appearance. In layman's terms: people think you're racist cause you do things like judge Mariahs actions based on your perception of someone else's colour/skin tone. It's either that, or what you said about Mariah not working with white people was waffle that meant nothing and had no foundatio, but it can't be both. The unfortunate things is that you're not as light hearted as to come across as "tongue in cheek", as you believe (and as a dry Englishman I fully "get" your application of sarcasm and tone), but instead you come across as completely facetious. It not only devalues your statements and intellect overall, but is generally pretty gross and makes this board much less of an enjoyable place, all for the satisfaction of your ego. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 16:31)

Re: Hello (97,213) (97,214) by Libra Lamb from USA We've missed you Bill and your handsome face. We're glad you're alive and well, take care for now. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 16:21)

Hello (97,213) by Bill from the UK Guess who's back in the [censored] house? With two big tig ol' bitties for your mouth? Well, I did come here to post about the new EP releases and continue my mind numbingly boring series on that, but I see we're all still squabbling and arguing with each other, so I'll try again in a few more months lol. Hope you've all been well. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 14:56)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,211) (97,212) by Andrew from the United Kingdom The point is (emphatically, I believe) that Mariah has either abandoned, or lost, the drive for good or successful music whilst at the same time further developing a narrative that is either not correct or circumspect. That I write mostly either tongue-in-cheek or blunt seems to have wound you up and I am sorry I have lost your confidence but still wish you well. I stand by my points, however, for the observations are correct, whilst your inferences are not. Mariah needs to expand her horizons and stop repeating the same mistakes. But her obsession at the moment is on her identity and her legacy and I don't foresee her letting it go. To repeat, she would do better to not release and E=MC2 and not a Caution; it is telling when Questlove highlighted that Caution didn't really sound like what other artists are doing. It's neither on trend nor what any people are looking for. That Mariah relies on it being her album most critically well-received speaks a lot to what I am saying. And lo, I am sorry for not using woe. I typed it in five minutes and the proof-writers at the MoS must have been in break. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 14:33)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,209) (97,211) by Anonymous from UK "Lo betide collaborations with non black artists". Aside from meaning *woe betide, you conversely write this whilst discussing her collaborating with Ariana Grande. You criticise others for repeating "nice stor(ies) she likes so she repeats it like she done a sermon", but don't see the irony as you sit there spewing out contradictions, misinformation and your boring, repetitive and xenophobic assumptions about race and others identities with literally no experience or knowledge of what you're talking about. Your casual links between "poor quality music" and race speak volumes about your delusion and superiority complex, a complex that fits disgusting definitions. You may write as if you're interning at the Mail on Sunday, but your sass doesn't equate to value. You, of course, have the ability to be a kind, considerate person with some valid point that I've even defended at times, publicly and privately. But I have to call a spade a spade and say that your bad side is repulsive. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 02:54)

Re: Drake and Ariana (97,202) (97,210) by T from USA I don't agree that Mariah wouldn't jump in with a huge artist to have a big hit. Mariah is a hitmaker and she loves being on top of the charts. This is the same woman who teamed up with Boyz II Men and 98 Degrees. For two of her #1's. And also Bieber and Ari on Christmas songs. I'm not sure if it's her or Drake not wanting to take the plunge. In 2015 TLC were performing at some big profile event and Drake was supposed to join them then at the last minute dropped out because he didn't think it would be a good look to associate with a legacy act. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 23:51)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,200) (97,209) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "I wish these "'ambs' would stop insinuating that Mariah needs to work with this or that person like she needs a savior." Mariah's writing has been extremely lacking in the last decade. I could debate this with you but I suspect you know it to be true. "Mariah has fought the majority of her career to control her music." This is not true. Name an album release after 1994 over which Mariah did not feel she had creative control. "Last time I checked she wrote 18 #1 songs on the Hot 100." And all why not having content control and being used like a hit-factory. I smell wine. "Mariah launches artists she doesn't need anyone to make a hit record." What artists has Mariah "launched"? I liked you until this point. Now you're just a child who heard a nice story she liked so she repeats it like she done some sermon. "30 years later she is still relevant. Keep it moving." I fought for you. I google "relevant" instead of blanket laughing out your statement: "appropriate to the current time, period, or circumstances; of contemporary". Now you must mean Christmas, right? Because everything else in the last 12 months is nostalgia. All releases, all stories, are from days gone by. Except for All I Want For Christmas Is You. A song composed in the early 90's. To Phil Spector/1960's design. Oh, dear. "[T]o insist she needs to get another #1 Hot 100 and needs the assistance of another act is just plain out rude." Well, you cite her number of No.1 records but insist yourself that she does not need another. At what point did she stop needing another? After the next one? (I righteously suspect with a wry smile this may be true.) But I agree and disagree here. Old Mariah didn't need help writing songs. She could do it. But then I hear the original version song of A No No and realise sampling is essentially just "lifting" a song with permission, as was such the dilemma with "Emotions" - "she lifted the entire song". (But who remembers the losers? The victors write the history in their favour. I'm British, I should know. Y'all are heathens.) Perhaps it is Just the case that chord progressions are still copyright and must be paid for. That is to say: there aren't an infinite number that are marketable. But Mariah is hardly writing songs, anymore. With You is the last thing she did of any merit, in my opinion. The rest was an extension of her desperation to solidly herself as the woman with white skin never to have been considered a Black artist to be considered a "Black artist". In my view, nothing matters else matter to Mariah now. And that has played detriment to her writing music that will stand the test of time. Nothing after 2008 will. And I am not sure she gives a shit. She is attempting to rewrite history from the view of the victor. She's here to tel the story. Nobody else is. Or if they are, nobody much cares to listen. Who care about good music? You could stick her on a track with big artists. But Mariah has had those opportunities and squandered them. The big artists are defined as her guests. They are made to feel adenda, to be gifted to be on her mediocre output, it seems. At least to me. Other artists collaborate. Mariah rides legend and demands sycophancy. And lo betide collaborations with non-Black artists. Heaven forfend. "Billboard is slowly becoming obsolete anyway, streaming charts are where things have been heading for some time." When you say stuff like this, do you understand that you seem like a petulant child throwing everything and the kitchen sink at an argument despite its lack of virtue? You just extolled to be virtue of Mariah having a new 19th No.1 hit. And now say that the chart is irrelevant. Until she gets another one. With the help of Ariana. And her next new book: "Mariah Carey: Critical Race Theory, How to Colour Friends, Transplant a Personality, and Profligate Conspiracy Theories". And Biggie Smalls? Not *once* in 23 or years did that come up. Funny that. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 23:11)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,205) (97,208) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I like Drake so I would enjoy them collaborating regardless if it goes to #1. Same with what I felt when she collaborated with Ariana. I didn't expect it to go to #1 and I enjoy them both. But would I want her to have another #1 in general because I believe she can? For sure. I have in a previous post of mine said that Mariah has continued to write great songs but those don't chart for variety of reasons and 2 of them is budget and exposure. Collaborating with a new artist would get her both and there is nothing wrong with that. Your response is aggressive for sure. "Buy it or don't, stream it or don't, promote it or shut up" - that's aggressive and unnecessary. It's a public message board, I can say whatever as long as I'm not insulting anyone and the webmaster thinks it's fine, you don't get to tell me to shut up. I understand you find it upsetting that people keep hoping that she gets another #1 but you don't need to resort to name calling like "inexperienced coat tail riders" for that. Nothing can diminish Mariah's legacy and in my follow up post prior to me seeing your post I did say the reason Mariah probably doesn't collaborate much is because she wants to be known for getting her own #1s. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 23:03)

Re: Wish for MC30 (97,203) (97,207) by Libra Lamb from USA I wish Mariah's team hadn't skipped over Glitter and that entire project. That's actually one of my favorite albums, I mean soundtracks. I wish for all the fabulous remixes and rare tracks and even the movie that won the Razzie award for 2001. I constantly look fir it to be available on iTunes but so far no such luck, I'll just have to keep popping the DVD in until the digital copy comes out. I hope she does something special on the 20th Anniversary of Glitter. Fingers crossed. By the way, the Cameo version is far superior than the Firecracker version, just saying. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 22:13)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,205) (97,206) by Libra Lamb from USA I really don't care if Mariah gets another #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. Yes, it would be nice to see but it is not necessary at this point. She has been in the industry for 30 years or so and she has influenced countless acts out there, women and male artists the same. I hear newer artists and can pick up the style where she was the influence. She has nothing left to prove. Having said that, I do believe she has a few more hits to write, collaborations or not, that will catapult her back to the top. I will support her music always because she's always gonna be my favorite singer and songwriter and #1 on my playlist. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 22:06)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,204) (97,205) by Leo from LAMBville "If you want to say something would sound good that you would enjoy that is different" - is what I wrote. If you think something would sound good, by all means let us all have the imagination to feel one way or another. If she worked with Drake and it sounded great but didn't chart to #1 people would still talk crap about it. I called it "rude" and your rebuttal is that I'm aggressive and a comparison to "dandelion". Mariah is a relevant legacy artist, I'm sure a duets project is eventually coming. The insistence on gaining another #1 is the disdain I have. And note it wasn't to shade any one person, it was the topic that feeling of Mariah needs a #1 to still be great. It's disheartening. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 21:22)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,200) (97,204) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Child you need to calm down. It's a wish, not a command. If you don't agree with it just say so, there's no need to get aggressive. Also just because you don't care if she has a #1 or not, doesn't mean everyone has to feel that way. Jeez. I see we have another Dandelion here, the oldies on this forum will remember that individual. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 20:09)

Wish for MC30 (97,203) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I don't about you all but I used to thoroughly enjoy (and still do) watching behind the scenes of MV. I wish Mariah would've released some BTS if some of her videos along with the MC30 releases. Example for TEOM I know for sure she has BTS footage for ILT, GYN and SS (as either VH-1) aired it. I read somewhere BTS of WBT was also shot but I don't think it was ever released. So it would've been nice to see some of those. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 20:03)

Re: Drake and Ariana (97,199) (97,202) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter True, it's just sad that there's so much potential and I'm sure many artists would love to collaborate with Mariah if only she'd give them the green signal but she just chooses to not collaborate with bigger artist because maybe she doesn't want to get a #1 because of a hot collaboration and just wants it on her own merit but times have changed, and I wish Mariah would for once give it a try. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 19:47)

Re: Charmbracelet EPs (97,195) (97,201) by TJ from Norway Me too. That's why I hope she releases something that we have never seen or heard before. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 19:34)

I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,200) by Leo from LAMBville I wish these "lambs" would stop insinuating that Mariah needs to work with this or that person like she needs a savior. Mariah has fought the majority of her career to control her music. Buy it or don't, stream it or don't, promote it or shut up! Last time I checked she wrote 18 #1 songs on the Hot 100, last thing she needs is inexperienced coattail riders telling her to work with a popular artist. Mariah launches artists she doesn't need anyone to make a hit record. 30 years later she is still relevant. Keep it moving! If you want to say something would sound good that you would enjoy that is different, but to insist she needs to get another #1 Hot 100 and needs the assistance of another act is just plain out rude. Billboard is slowly becoming obsolete anyway, streaming charts are where things have been heading for some time. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 19:22)

Re: Drake and Ariana (97,198) (97,199) by T from USA It's never going to happen. She almost had Notorious BIG on Honey Remix too. Sometimes these things just slip through cracks and we are left with what if. If he collaborated with Ariana then Mariah will want to find a fresh new rapper to hit up as she will try and avoid comparisons at all costs. Her Drake collaboration came and went with GTFO. That was the one. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 17:49)

Drake and Ariana (97,198) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Rumor has it that Drake and Ariana are collaborating on a song. That will be a sure fire #1, no stopping that since they're both huge on streaming. I don't get why Mariah still doesn't collaborate with Drake. He's clearly a fan because he used her sample of Emotions, then he randomly posts her in his stories and posted a photo of her with his dad. She I guess likes him too since she allowed him to use her song. Just get on with it Mariah. Let's get that 20th #1. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 15:59)

Re: Honestly Eric (97,194) (97,197) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Joking aside, we see on the news the ongoing unrest on the streets of the Netherlands and hope you stay safe and sound. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 10:34)

Re: Charmbracelet EPs (97,195) (97,196) by enwar00 from usa Wow. How? Import CDs? (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 05:57)

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