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Next single from The Rarities (96,117)
by Joe from United Kingdom
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If you had to pick 2 more songs to be released as singles what would they be?
(Monday 12 October 2020; 15:57)
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Sorry guys, more love for Cameo Loverboy version (96,116)
by Anonymous from
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Yup, I said it.
(Monday 12 October 2020; 15:42)
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Re: Trash (96,111) (96,115)
by Anonymous from
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I agree with majority of what you say Andy, Mariah is rubbish and annoying for taking no responsibility and playing the blame game, however, in relation to race and Mariah identifying herself as black, maybe she does but I don't think it is as straight cut that she perceives all white people to be bad/racists, in my opinion that's far fetched and absurd. Maybe she felt more accepted or more comfortable identifying with black people than white. Maybe, she has experienced more racism from her white counterparts than black? Maybe, she felt the need to hide certain aspects of her race for such a long time that when she did feel liberated, she embraced the black side more profoundly. As a mixed race person I was told numerous times I was either too black or too white. I would even get asked, what do you prefer your black side or your white side - smh. Luckily I've brought up to embrace both races and to feel proud of who and what I am, luckily my family have always made me feel valued. In America, I believe the country has adopted the one-drop rule, if you have some black blood in you then you are considered black. A lot of maybes I know but potentially Mariah is more comfortable with identifying as black, is that such a bad outcome? She has been brought up in a system that tells her that she is indeed black. If anything I feel sorry that she wasn't fortunate enough to feel embraced for who she is, rather than what she is, it must be so confusing/ heartbreaking to be torn between races or feel accepted more by another.
Over the last few years my love for Mariah has dwindled, she can annoy me so much at times, but hey, more fool me for keep coming back. Mariah is Mariah, I accept she's not the Mariah I fell hook, line and sinker for. It is what is. Mariah will always have a place in my
(Monday 12 October 2020; 15:39)
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Re: Trash (96,111) (96,114)
by ktktkt from Philippines
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Only self hating "blacks" with an inferiority complex who want to increase the Black population uses the One Drop Rule. I read somewhere.
(Monday 12 October 2020; 15:35)
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The Meaning of Mariah Carey review, finally (96,113)
by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa
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I've been so overwhelmed with everything Mariah since the release of this book and the months leading up to it. I've been revisiting all of the amazing home performances, the live snippets, and of course everything MC30. She's given so much this year and it's all come in with such great energy. I love where she is in 2020.
So my book arrived 2 days after release (Amazon) and I took 2 days to read it. I wanted to read first, then treat myself to the audiobook. I honestly could not put the book down. I forced myself to because I wanted to stretch it at least 2 days. I am still so blown away. Wow. I loved hearing her stories and reflections. So many were relatable for a multitude of reasons. Coming from a multi-cultural family myself, the perspective that she spoke from was so refreshing, relevant, honest, raw, and just right on. It wasn't sugar-coated sunshine and rainbows at all and I love her for it.
The fact that this was a memoir rather than an autobiography really provided a platform for her emotional truth. The webs and loops displayed how emotional experiences affected her throughout her life. I loved that. I feel communicating from that place of emotional truth is one of her strengths, it's what makes her songwriting so powerful. I found myself revisiting my own memories as I read about hers, revisiting songs from the eras I was reading about as I went along, it was just a whole experience and it was so full.
Everything in the book tied together so well, it was cohesive, and the themes were woven throughout. The themes of racism (systemic and otherwise) and division were so timely. Mariah has touched on these subjects for many many years. However, the book gave her the place to really share her experiences and perspectives in the proper setting.
The biggest surprise for me was how visual the experience was. It's like I could see every single scene and story that was told. Shout out to Michaela Angela Davis, this was a powerful collaboration. I keep racking my brain to choose a favorite section, but I just loved the whole thing.
Though I would love for her to write an autobiography one day, I would actually love to get a couple more memoirs from her first. This one focused most on her childhood, I would like to hear more about some other aspects or themes in her life.
This book feels like a transition project, carrying Mariah into a whole new aspect of her career. Between TMOMC and The Rarities, I am so stoked for what is to come.
(Monday 12 October 2020; 11:59)
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Collection of thoughts (96,112)
by Sarah from Netherlands
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- I thought the Last Show at Sing Sing included Walter A at her kitchen table. Seems in line with how she writes about people with whom she at some point doesn't want to associate with anymore. - About her not taking blame: we've always known this. Let's not pretend to be surprised. Down to the deviation from her "original notes and thoughts" for Glitter. That's just how movie production works. - Divas moment: have yet to read this part, but from what I've read here this is also not news. - Loverboy: she's stated on more than one occasion that she likes it better with the Candy sample. I do too.
OK, that was it (for now).
(Monday 12 October 2020; 11:49)
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Re: Trash (96,076) (96,111)
by Andrew from the United Kingdom
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Eddie, you are as astute as you are wise. The Meaning of Mariah Carey could be summed up to this: "Please think I'm black, non-black people bad, I've never done anything wrong, everyone else is always at fault."
I really liked listening to the first part of the book but that quickly faded a bit. But I still enjoyed it. Mariah takes no responsibility for anything and her accounts of things are certainly eyebrow raising. For instance, the plate smashing. She just wanted to wash up in the middle of drama, that was what she needed to do. And then the plates just slipped out of her hands... helloooo, they were all soooapppy, didnt you know.
And then, lo. The racist white police arrive and her racist white mother made them take the poor black woman away. Doesn't matter that she looks whiter than my ass in winter. There is clear agenda in this book and I am not certain it comes from the most honest of places.
Finally, when Mariah explained the one-drop rule I actually put my fork down and just stared at Alexa in disbelief. Very desperate. The only thing that I got from the book as a lingering afterthought is that Mariah hates her own skin.
(Monday 12 October 2020; 09:52)
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Re: Tears (96,094) (96,110)
by Andrew from the United Kingdom
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Sorry, did you have some sort of fit and land on the keyboard?
(Monday 12 October 2020; 09:42)
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Re: Billboard 200 (96,106) (96,109)
by Timothy from USA
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It's looking like it will chart at 28 or 29 for the debut frame when the chart updates. The chart runs a week behind.
(Monday 12 October 2020; 02:08)
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Re: Where Are You Christmas demo (96,102) (96,108)
by enwar00 from usa
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I didn't think it was stupid Deedee. I usually check the message board on here more often than the news. It's more interactive.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 22:07)
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Loverboy Firecracker fan-made video edit (96,107)
by this_is_qhm from the Philippines
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Yeah, this doesn't have the racetrack beat and energy that the Candy sample lends, but it still works.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 18:53)
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Billboard 200 (96,106)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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Is it true? The Rarities didn't chart on the Billboard 200?
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 17:46)
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Re: Trash (96,095) (96,105)
by RibbonB from USA
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Just because he has meaning to you, doesn't mean he means shit to her. Of course if she had mentioned the clown in the Divas chapter, that would've been the penultimate shade. The ultimate is not giving him space at all.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 16:58)
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Re: Billboard 200 (96,103) (96,104)
by Bobby A from United States
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Yes, I did. But I don't compile information for Billboard Inc.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 15:32)
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Re: Billboard 200 (96,096) (96,103)
by TJ from Norway
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Didn't you predict it to be at the number one spot? Or number 2? With 160.000 sales the first week?
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 14:48)
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Re: Where Are You Christmas demo (96,098) (96,102)
by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada
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Yes Eric I've been coming here for years. I've also seen people share articles on the board which got linked on occasion. I thought the board might talk about the demo. My bad. I won't bring any outside content to the board in future. Apparently the post came across as stupid and offensive. Got it.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 13:44)
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Re: Trash (96,095) (96,101)
by Bill from the UK
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No I agree, Mariah wouldn't be able to perform at the level Aretha was that night, I was more spinning it around and putting it in context for Mariah's fans perspectives, as to why some may find Celine's performance that night disrespectful.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 13:18)
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Re: Billboard's 100 best MC songs (96,074) (96,100)
by this_is_qhm from the Philippines
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Saw this when it came out last week and immediately thought that the mere inclusion of Infinity automatically invalidates the list.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 06:03)
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Re: Article: The Rarities liner notes (96,090) (96,099)
by Lainsky from Philippines
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Wow Bill. Did not realize you are famous in UK. Nice article on brief history or shall I story behind those songs. Thank you.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 05:55)
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Where Are You Christmas demo (96,098)
by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada
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Article below. [Webmaster: Did you know this website also has a news section?]
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 05:50)
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Re: The good and the bad (96,089) (96,097)
by RibbonB from USA
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Clarification, in the book the dinner party was described as with music industry friends etc. At an Italian restaurant frequented by music industry illuminati. It's just most artists never refer to that and most don't want to be associated with the word. I just thought that was random and funny to use that descriptor.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 04:16)
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Billboard 200 (96,096)
by Bobby A from United States
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I can't bring up the current Billboard Top 20O chart for this week. I want to know how TR did last week. Does anybody know?
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 02:27)
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Re: Trash (96,082) (96,095)
by Edward from USA
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Bill, Aretha could still blow away any of those on stage that night at 55. If she hadn't had the power to hold up, she wouldn't have made the call. Celine Dion just gave it her all, and she didn't outsing Aretha. Now, let's fast-forward to a supposed 2025 Divas Live, the way things are with Mariah's voice, I doubt she would still be able to sing 10% of any of those powerful songs of hers like Aretha still could, and while group-singing and improvising, she wouldn't be able to use a backtrack. Do you really think, on a Mariah tribute she would made the call on a song like Emotions? Knowing her and her insecurities, hell the f no. Mariah's voice was drowned among the other voices, just like her voice was drowned on that duet with Patti LaBelle, and she really tried it. Now go and watch one of my favorite performances by Mariah, her duet live with Luther Vandross, a favorite of hers, Mariah totally outsang him, like she outsang Boyz II Men and virtually anybody she could while her voice was still capable. She couldn't outsing Whitney because she couldn't at that point. Unless she's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, how is Celine singing with Aretha part of "The Meaning of Mariah Carey"? Didn't she take the path of least resistance bringing Celine on her memoirs instead of Eminem? Well, she knows better than that.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 01:37)
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Tears (96,094)
by Slipping Butterfly from United States
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I knew the white and coon tears were coming when the book was released. Y’all precious safe divas is more radical then you thought. Her issues Celine performance shows the major culture difference. Celine was out of pocket. If that was on different channel she would have got cussed out.
As far as her skipping over Nick she did that for her children sake. They can found he bum in do time.
Her hair issues were all before she was 12 years old, how are y’all mad at a little girl for not knowing how to do her hair when nobody taught her.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 00:51)
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Re: Billboard's 100 best MC songs (96,074) (96,093)
by TJ from Norway
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My list wouldn't look like that at all.
(Sunday 11 October 2020; 00:41)
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