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Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,229) (97,232) by Leo from LAMBville RJJ12, obviously Mariah wants to be a financial success with whatever label she is on as it leads to more money for her however the details of her deal were never disclosed so she may never even had taken an advance and wouldn't have any monies owed to the label, she may have negotiated a higher percentage paid to her on any profit. The money (from financiers) put up for the production/promotion of a product would be the only profit/loss, so unless something gets some organic movement the label will not feed a promotional budget. Mariah went on the 'Caution Tour' in support of the album as it was the only way it would have received additional press. Whenever Mariah has ever released a new project that is when you see the awards coming out like Artist of the Decade, Billboard Icon Award and so forth as it is just another thing to get the mainstream media to write about her current project. I do not see Mariah personally funding a marketing campaign, her money maker is her royalties from her catalog and any partnerships she makes, as in AppleTV+, Walkers Crisps, Hostel etc. (of course Christmas). Caution in retrospect didn't cost nearly as much as one may think; ODB was paid 15k for his rap on the Fantasy remix (you can google it), Collaborators are getting (depending who) on average 40k-100k per track in addition to any writing royalties. Mariah even spoke in the Quest podcast about how recording has changed so much and most of the time may not even be in the same country with a collaborator. I agree Mariah does better with a large promotional budget but were DOA with expecting her to fund it. Mariah like it or not is a legacy artist and her contract would be nothing like the ones with Def Jam, Columbia (1990) or EMI, the most were going to see is social media ads (like we did with TMOMC) and Spotify launch ads in Times Square; don't forget the occasional Empire State Building light show. If I win a huge lottery jackpot I may just fund a promotional campaign myself. Ha ha! (Thursday 28 January 2021; 17:39)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,229) (97,231) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Honestly people who think Mariah doesn't care for charts and numbers are people who really don't know Mariah at all. She's always talking about her #1's and her accomplishments (and yes she deserves it, she has the right to brag, she accomplished it on her own, even sometimes against all odds). If people think Mariah doesn't want another #1, look no further than her own actions. Every time a single underperforms in the recent years (pre-caution) it was dubbed a "teaser" and not the main lead (case in point "Triumphant") and then she released another song to see if that would perform better. I don't blame her, she's used to be the queen of Billboard so obviously she likes seeing her name next to #1. But you need the budget and the promo push for that, and the only two ways to do it is self invest or get a collaboration which gets a budget. And like RJ112 said, she's on a label, it's a business contract, she will want her to churn out more money than they invest on her. If they see only her Christmas ventures are being profitable, they'll just invest in that and not bother with pushing new releases. (Thursday 28 January 2021; 17:17)

MC30 TEOM remixes (97,230) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I'm excited that according to the list not are we getting all the remixes of the main singles (including all the re-sung ILT remixes and the SIO remix with Jay-Z) we're also getting the two "You're Girl" remixes and "Secret Love" and "Sprung" is also being added. Although to be honest I don't really care much for the last two songs. From the platinum version my favorite is "So Lonely" which is pure fire. But it's always nice to have her whole discography available for worldwide listeners, and "Secret Love" and "Sprung" were just Japan and UK exclusives if I'm not mistaken. (Thursday 28 January 2021; 17:08)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,227) (97,229) by 123 from USA You asked and I provided the source which was an article in this site. It's still irrelevant to the topic at hand. As long as Mariah continues to sign record deals she must obtain success = revenue for the advance she is given and then some so that she isn't in debt going into the next project depending on how many albums she signed for. The whole Mariah has nothing to prove to the record company is not a factual statement. Mariah even said herself when she criticized the marketing of Caution. My fans don't want instant grats, they want to see the record do well. Or are you now going to say Mariah isn't a credible source (listen to the Questlove podcast interview). Mariah has only complained about the marketing of her projects when they fail, example: Glitter, Charmbracelet, and Caution or pretends they don't exist MIAM. If the record company won't give her the budget, she should use her own funds to make the project take off and then renegotiate her deal to be compensated for her financial contribution. (Thursday 28 January 2021; 16:45)

How would you? (97,228) by Leo from LAMBville Just for fun. If Mariah was to receive a prestigious Achievement Award and you were selected to present it and allowed to write your own dialog what would you say to introduce her? (Thursday 28 January 2021; 15:31)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,225) (97,227) by Anonymous from UK I hate to break it to you, but Canoe isn't an official source. (Thursday 28 January 2021; 15:28)

TMOMC sales figures? (97,226) by Leo from LAMBville Can someone explain where they come up with the idea the Memoir sold 800k? The only place I ever seen that come from was a twitter screen shot of a random person and the number seems to have floated around the websites/groups etc. I believe if it truly sold nearly a million copies it wouldn't have fallen off of the NYT best seller top list so quickly. According to Nielsen BookScan the Memoir sold 62,557 copies in the first 3 weeks and less than 7000 in the United Kingdom. It is my opinion that the numbers were hugely exaggerated even if you count audible it would have had to be over 700k purchases (not trial subscriptions), and from remembering conversations in the biggest Mariah Carey fan Facebook group everyone was signing up for the trial on audible. The memoir is deeply discounted in stores and right now on amazon 13 dollars and change. Anyone have any thoughts or facts on the sales numbers? I personally loved the book it wasn't what I was fully expecting however it was a good read and an even better listening experience. (Thursday 28 January 2021; 15:23)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,222) (97,225) by 123 from USA The article was posted here by the webmaster. He's going to direct you to the news section as it's one of his pet peeves to post articles he has already posted in the news section. I was under the same impression until I read the article, so who know for sure. But my original point still stands, if you are under contract, you must make the company revenue or pay back your advance. Mariah can't tell Epic, I'm not paying you back a dime because I already made you billions of dollars and I have nothing else to prove. (Thursday 28 January 2021; 03:38)

Mariah, a flop? (97,224) by We are lambily from USA I don't know why certain people on this board like to pretend that Mariah hasn't garnered any success over the past years. - She sold 6+ million units in the past year alone. - Elusive and Caution era sold combined over 15+ million units. - She just passed Katy Perry as the 5th most streamed female artist on Pandora of all time, she is in top 20 most streamed female artists on Apple Music and overall one of the most streamed artists who debuted before 2000s. - She was the 20th most streamed female artist on all platforms in 2020 with 800+ millions streams. Never forget that she also sold over 200+ million actual records while her streaming is better than most of the main pop girls lol. - Her book sold almost 800k copies in the first two weeks, her special was one of Apple TV most successful projects and they already want her back, with unlimited budget. That's crazy. I could literally go on and on, The business that is Mariah Carey has never flourished more. I'm grateful for everything and hopeful we haven't seen the best of Mariah Carey yet. (Thursday 28 January 2021; 00:08)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,221) (97,223) by T from USA This was the best breakdown I've read here in a long while. Everything is business and nobody knows this better than Mariah. It's why she returned to Sony, because LA Reid was in charge (a known spender). Look into Kenn and Nancy Berry. They ran EMI Virgin records when Mariah was signed. They signed her to that mega contract. They were also known to spend huge on marketing their acts (see Rolling Stones, Janet and Spice Girls who they signed). Mariah knew this that's why she went with them over other suitors. They both lost there big time jobs a month after Glitter was released. Mariah's whole career she needed two things. The right guidance and the right promotional budget. With those two things she is unstoppable and quite supernatural in her accomplishments. I don't know much about Epics head Sylvia Rhone but if Caution was any indication, Mariah is in big trouble. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 22:50)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,217) (97,222) by Anonymous from UK I know what a strain it is being that intelligent. How does one cope with such god given gifts? You're wasted here, clearly. But really, I appreciate your response. I say nothing out of hatred, and genuinely see the you behind the MoS facade, as frosted as it may be, so ask that you do sincerely consider my words. Your mind is excellent, Andrew. It'd be nice if we could all enjoy it. Re your next post about Mariah going away and working on new stuff, I couldn't agree more. Whilst I personally revel in the RnB, and actually crave a deeper dive into it, it's clear that she's metaphorically stuck in a few aspects of her career/flow and, no matter what genre, could only benefit with some fresher input and a dusting off. Unfortunately, I think it also requires a shift in psychology, and I'm not 100% she's there yet. I've faith though. I agree that momentum is what she needs right now, but the headspace to create the third magnum opus I know she's capable of requires a bit more time. Still, I'd eat up some party tracks in the meantime. RJJ2: I don't believe Mariah put any of her own money into the Apple special. The richest company in the world, making an artist pay out her own pocket? I doubt it. In fact, she herself spoke about the benefits of working with a company like Apple for the creative and budget possibilities it bought. But I welcome you to prove me wrong. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 22:39)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,220) (97,221) by 123 from USA This has nothing to do with "Mariah has nothing else to prove". You do realize that Mariah is still under contract. Having success and creating enough revenue for the record company to recoup cost for producers, marketing, writers, videos, and the initial advance that an artist gets prior to the release of an album to live off of (an advance is a loan with the assumption that the record company is going to make that money back and then some). Caution was a rude awakening for Mariah. She did not get the advance she is used to. Marketing was limited, there was only 10 tracks, and the videos were very budget conscious. The most alarming things about the last era was that both singles (spaced 4 months apart which is death to any project) were only sent to two minor radio formats. As a legacy artist, Mariah has to be played on all major formats in order to obtain success. She had no real radio budget and the label wouldn't pay for Cardi yet JLo got her on a failed single while on the same label. Without a radio budget and a hot feature all future projects are DOA. When signed to a major, if you don't make them money, you get dropped and/or if you are lucky enough to get another deal, it will be based on the success of the last project and we all know where that will land her. Had she not had her Christmas success she would probably still be in debt with the label for the Caution era if the tour wasn't part of her contract to where the label gets a chunk of the earnings. They will only re-sign her to release 100 more versions of compilations of her greatest hits. You won't be hearing more new music from her. I didn't think she cared either until she complained about the marketing and execution of Caution. And when has Mariah not included a hot feature of current chart toppers. B2M in 95, Jay Z in 99, Jay S and Camron in 2002 (which failed), Nelly, Snoop and Twista in 05. I could go on. I read in an article that she invested 4 million into her Apple special. She needs to do the same for her future projects and pay hot producers and major radio formats. She needs to call radio station heads and set up deals where they will play her next single with a hot artist in exchange for exclusive interviews, contests, and concerts. When you are signed, you have to make the label money. Mariah is not immune to this. She needs to put in the work like a new artist and use her own finances to get her projects off the ground. Gone are the days where she had label heads who were throwing money into her projects to ensure success (Tommy, LA Ried). She needs a project full of uptempos with some chart titans with great songs. She doesn't even need a lot of features. Drake and Ariana would be enough. Ballads and mid tempo records don't sell especially for aging artists. Why not do something different and make an album full of up tempo records with a mixture of genres, pop, hip hop, r&b, dance etc. Her discography and future endeavors sorely need it. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 21:17)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,215) (97,220) by Hilton from USA Whew child. This was a whole vibe and I was here for every single bit of it. In life at some point or another you may come across people who just need to be left where they are to sit with themselves. Certain people deserve 0 air time and energy. Silence is the best answer sometimes. I was here for this though. I will say this. The name calling and insults are disgusting. When I look at who's doing it I am not the least bit surprised. Smh. Carry on with the show if y'all must. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 18:48)

Re: Hello (97,213) (97,219) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I shouldn't think anyone finds you boring, but rather charming and decent. I think many people were concerned for your well-being and are glad that you are well. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 17:35)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,216) (97,218) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I also believe Mariah can have a hit album again. But I believe a big redirection is required. Mariah needs to write actual songs at a piano with musicians other than Jermaine Dupri and incorporate new elements into her sound, rather than regurgitating the same sounds and formulae. Yet she seems way too focussed on pushing narratives that are spurious if not false. I would have thought this a perfect time to write an album over Zoom with others as there is not much else to do. And if she herself claims that she is in much better voice than Caution I am sure everyone wants to hear it. On the radio and television. New Summer/party album for June to August launch and singles release. September and October for Glitter nostalgia. November and December for Christmas with her actual non-Christmas catalogue incorporated into concerts/tv specials. (I really think the Christmas tour would benefit from using the most popular Christmas songs interwoven with the most popular hits - Fantasy, Heartbreaker, Obsessed and so on.) (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 17:30)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,215) (97,217) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Lmao ouch, harsh. Well written, though, so I'll think on it. Maybe, I'll tone the rhetoric down. It's just such a burden being right all the time. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 17:17)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,212) (97,216) by Leo from LAMBville I could continue and debate my statement for months as could those who disagree, however I will not. We will all have to agree to disagree. I will still stand by my opinion that Mariah doesn't need to change anything if she doesn't want to and can continue to follow the path she has since Charmbracelet. It is in my opinion that Mariah is focused on being Mariah the person however the person Mariah is such a mix of the "superstar" and her presentation of "little Mariah" which is fine and I accept and welcome however she wants/allows to be perceived and presented. If you've followed Mariah for the majority of her career you're aware of things she knowingly does that may or may not be a success to her "product/brand". It is my belief that she surrounds herself with "yes" people and as of recent has had less of a hand in both the business and creative side. She has confirmed this in some sense by the podcast where she said "Caution" was rushed and the push for songs that were not singles. During "Charmbracelet", Jerry Blair wanted to focus on the "woe is me but I am strong" marketing campaign. Oprah interview, national fan meet & greet contests, label funded street team and so forth. Mariah has even said after the facts she didn't think "Through The Rain" should have been the lead single. I just want Mariah to make music that she wants to make, that she is inspired by. She can sing the alphabet and I will download, stream and support it like any other release she has done. I support the memoir even though it wasn't fully what I expected and quickly dropping off the top of the NYT best sellers list. I think a biopic or series is a bad idea but guess what? I'll go hard for it. Mariah has cemented her place in history, a world class "diva" with astonishing highs and successes. I sadly though feel the general public doesn't subscribe to it anymore. Not specifically Mariah but the idea of how she is presented. When you say "divas" today it doesn't hold the same weight as it did in the 90's. Music doesn't matter anymore it feels like, the goal is shock, scandal, nudity and temporary trends. The more time that passes Mariah will continue to get her roses and references which I feel she will absolutely adore. I won't count out another across the board hit. Aretha Franklin had a hit 37 years into her career in 1998 with "A rose is still a rose" - granted it was with Lauryn Hill. In the same breath Luther Vandross in 2003 had a huge solo hit and he started in the 70's. Mariah's talent has afforded me a lot of sanity in a very bleak existence for majority of my life and I will forever be indebted to her. #1 or not. Zero expectations! (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 16:52)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,212) (97,215) by Anonymous from UK That Mariah has "abandoned good or successful music" is subjective, and heavily influenced by your said and apparent xenophobia. Either way, I'm not sure how many times we can tell you that it's not your place to deconstruct someone else's racial identity when you've absolutely no idea/can't relate to that and are evidently incorrect. You then reject my identification of you (when we've almost daily windows into your psyche), but think that yours of Mariah, whom you couldn't be further from, is still valid. At least be consistent, please. I agree with you that Mariah is often deluded, but I know she's not stupid enough not to see that Caution isn't shifting the amount that Music Box did. It's also very clear she doesn't care. She's repeatedly made decisions that have veered her off that course. Does that mean she doesn't want success? No, validation is always desired, especially from someone with her self esteem. But it means that at this point, with hundreds of millions in the bank and a secured legacy, she doesn't need that success and can create freely. If I had that much money, I 100% wouldn't go and do what anyone wanted me to/was popular for the sake of it, cause why would I ? I'm pretty sure that you've even defended her right to do so in the past. Critical response to a project - at this point, for an artist of her standing - is a lot more important than sales, unless you really think that a song hitting No.1/being successful (especially at this point in time) verifies its quality over all other work. If thats the case, then you write off songs that are considered classics because they weren't bought en masse. But I know you don't believe that. It just doesn't work that way. I'm sure I speak for others in saying that obv we'd like success, but I'd rather a quality Mariah album that's well received than a shit "on trend" album for sales. It would not only break a consistency Mariahs held, but if I wanted that, I'd be a Madonna fan. And I don't infer incorrectly - you talk nonsense about Mariah not working with white people, whilst discussing how a white girl will get her another hit. The underlying hate is the real issue here, not the words you choose to dress it up with, contradicting yourself whilst doing so and hi-lighting your identification/classification of others based on external appearance. In layman's terms: people think you're racist cause you do things like judge Mariahs actions based on your perception of someone else's colour/skin tone. It's either that, or what you said about Mariah not working with white people was waffle that meant nothing and had no foundatio, but it can't be both. The unfortunate things is that you're not as light hearted as to come across as "tongue in cheek", as you believe (and as a dry Englishman I fully "get" your application of sarcasm and tone), but instead you come across as completely facetious. It not only devalues your statements and intellect overall, but is generally pretty gross and makes this board much less of an enjoyable place, all for the satisfaction of your ego. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 16:31)

Re: Hello (97,213) (97,214) by Anonymous from USA We've missed you Bill and your handsome face. We're glad you're alive and well, take care for now. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 16:21)

Hello (97,213) by Bill from the UK Guess who's back in the [censored] house? With two big tig ol' bitties for your mouth? Well, I did come here to post about the new EP releases and continue my mind numbingly boring series on that, but I see we're all still squabbling and arguing with each other, so I'll try again in a few more months lol. Hope you've all been well. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 14:56)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,211) (97,212) by Andrew from the United Kingdom The point is (emphatically, I believe) that Mariah has either abandoned, or lost, the drive for good or successful music whilst at the same time further developing a narrative that is either not correct or circumspect. That I write mostly either tongue-in-cheek or blunt seems to have wound you up and I am sorry I have lost your confidence but still wish you well. I stand by my points, however, for the observations are correct, whilst your inferences are not. Mariah needs to expand her horizons and stop repeating the same mistakes. But her obsession at the moment is on her identity and her legacy and I don't foresee her letting it go. To repeat, she would do better to not release and E=MC2 and not a Caution; it is telling when Questlove highlighted that Caution didn't really sound like what other artists are doing. It's neither on trend nor what any people are looking for. That Mariah relies on it being her album most critically well-received speaks a lot to what I am saying. And lo, I am sorry for not using woe. I typed it in five minutes and the proof-writers at the MoS must have been in break. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 14:33)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,209) (97,211) by Anonymous from UK "Lo betide collaborations with non black artists". Aside from meaning *woe betide, you conversely write this whilst discussing her collaborating with Ariana Grande. You criticise others for repeating "nice stor(ies) she likes so she repeats it like she done a sermon", but don't see the irony as you sit there spewing out contradictions, misinformation and your boring, repetitive and xenophobic assumptions about race and others identities with literally no experience or knowledge of what you're talking about. Your casual links between "poor quality music" and race speak volumes about your delusion and superiority complex, a complex that fits disgusting definitions. You may write as if you're interning at the Mail on Sunday, but your sass doesn't equate to value. You, of course, have the ability to be a kind, considerate person with some valid point that I've even defended at times, publicly and privately. But I have to call a spade a spade and say that your bad side is repulsive. (Wednesday 27 January 2021; 02:54)

Re: Drake and Ariana (97,202) (97,210) by T from USA I don't agree that Mariah wouldn't jump in with a huge artist to have a big hit. Mariah is a hitmaker and she loves being on top of the charts. This is the same woman who teamed up with Boyz II Men and 98 Degrees. For two of her #1's. And also Bieber and Ari on Christmas songs. I'm not sure if it's her or Drake not wanting to take the plunge. In 2015 TLC were performing at some big profile event and Drake was supposed to join them then at the last minute dropped out because he didn't think it would be a good look to associate with a legacy act. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 23:51)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,200) (97,209) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "I wish these "'ambs' would stop insinuating that Mariah needs to work with this or that person like she needs a savior." Mariah's writing has been extremely lacking in the last decade. I could debate this with you but I suspect you know it to be true. "Mariah has fought the majority of her career to control her music." This is not true. Name an album release after 1994 over which Mariah did not feel she had creative control. "Last time I checked she wrote 18 #1 songs on the Hot 100." And all why not having content control and being used like a hit-factory. I smell wine. "Mariah launches artists she doesn't need anyone to make a hit record." What artists has Mariah "launched"? I liked you until this point. Now you're just a child who heard a nice story she liked so she repeats it like she done some sermon. "30 years later she is still relevant. Keep it moving." I fought for you. I google "relevant" instead of blanket laughing out your statement: "appropriate to the current time, period, or circumstances; of contemporary". Now you must mean Christmas, right? Because everything else in the last 12 months is nostalgia. All releases, all stories, are from days gone by. Except for All I Want For Christmas Is You. A song composed in the early 90's. To Phil Spector/1960's design. Oh, dear. "[T]o insist she needs to get another #1 Hot 100 and needs the assistance of another act is just plain out rude." Well, you cite her number of No.1 records but insist yourself that she does not need another. At what point did she stop needing another? After the next one? (I righteously suspect with a wry smile this may be true.) But I agree and disagree here. Old Mariah didn't need help writing songs. She could do it. But then I hear the original version song of A No No and realise sampling is essentially just "lifting" a song with permission, as was such the dilemma with "Emotions" - "she lifted the entire song". (But who remembers the losers? The victors write the history in their favour. I'm British, I should know. Y'all are heathens.) Perhaps it is Just the case that chord progressions are still copyright and must be paid for. That is to say: there aren't an infinite number that are marketable. But Mariah is hardly writing songs, anymore. With You is the last thing she did of any merit, in my opinion. The rest was an extension of her desperation to solidly herself as the woman with white skin never to have been considered a Black artist to be considered a "Black artist". In my view, nothing matters else matter to Mariah now. And that has played detriment to her writing music that will stand the test of time. Nothing after 2008 will. And I am not sure she gives a shit. She is attempting to rewrite history from the view of the victor. She's here to tel the story. Nobody else is. Or if they are, nobody much cares to listen. Who care about good music? You could stick her on a track with big artists. But Mariah has had those opportunities and squandered them. The big artists are defined as her guests. They are made to feel adenda, to be gifted to be on her mediocre output, it seems. At least to me. Other artists collaborate. Mariah rides legend and demands sycophancy. And lo betide collaborations with non-Black artists. Heaven forfend. "Billboard is slowly becoming obsolete anyway, streaming charts are where things have been heading for some time." When you say stuff like this, do you understand that you seem like a petulant child throwing everything and the kitchen sink at an argument despite its lack of virtue? You just extolled to be virtue of Mariah having a new 19th No.1 hit. And now say that the chart is irrelevant. Until she gets another one. With the help of Ariana. And her next new book: "Mariah Carey: Critical Race Theory, How to Colour Friends, Transplant a Personality, and Profligate Conspiracy Theories". And Biggie Smalls? Not *once* in 23 or years did that come up. Funny that. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 23:11)

Re: I don't care if Mariah gets another #1 record (97,205) (97,208) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I like Drake so I would enjoy them collaborating regardless if it goes to #1. Same with what I felt when she collaborated with Ariana. I didn't expect it to go to #1 and I enjoy them both. But would I want her to have another #1 in general because I believe she can? For sure. I have in a previous post of mine said that Mariah has continued to write great songs but those don't chart for variety of reasons and 2 of them is budget and exposure. Collaborating with a new artist would get her both and there is nothing wrong with that. Your response is aggressive for sure. "Buy it or don't, stream it or don't, promote it or shut up" - that's aggressive and unnecessary. It's a public message board, I can say whatever as long as I'm not insulting anyone and the webmaster thinks it's fine, you don't get to tell me to shut up. I understand you find it upsetting that people keep hoping that she gets another #1 but you don't need to resort to name calling like "inexperienced coat tail riders" for that. Nothing can diminish Mariah's legacy and in my follow up post prior to me seeing your post I did say the reason Mariah probably doesn't collaborate much is because she wants to be known for getting her own #1s. (Tuesday 26 January 2021; 23:03)

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