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Re: AIWFCIY CD autographed single still not received (95,233) (95,235) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I got mine in March I’m sorry you are still waiting. Mariah’s store does not do her brand any favors. I buy music from a few artists but Mariah’s merch always takes the longest by far. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 17:35)

Re: Mariah's writing style, vocabulary and personal (95,232) (95,234) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I think this abused narative is getting a little bit over hand. How abused was Mariah, really? Yes, they told her which clothes wear and she didn't have complete control over her music. But she still wrote the lyrics, didn't she, and whatever producer she had made the songs to what they are. But compared to other abusive relationships, how bad was it for Mariah? She turned into a wealthy woman, singing to thousands of adoring fans, had the opportunity to express her self through music. The Mariah almost all of us feel nostalgic about is from the years she was with Mottola. Her prime was during this time, and we all miss it. Wasn't Mottola's influence on Mariah positive at all? When Mariah split with Mottola she released maybe her best work with Butterfly. But her voice? What happened to that? With Rainbow Mariah was ridiculed because she cheapened her look, her reputation went to the dogs. With Glitter it seamed like Mariah really just wanted to be a porn star. Voice second, boobs first. What happened to her reputation? She became the laughing stock of the world. This was all Mariah. Mariah redeemed her self with TEOM, and that is because she became decent again. I don't think the world forgot about the troubling years around 2000, and I think many people still considers Mariah to be more into being sexy than have a great singing voice. My point is, even though "rules" were strict during Mariah's marriage to Tommy, it is the years that turned out to be the baseline that everybody judge Mariah by. In my opinion, that can't be that bad. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 17:01)

Re: AIWFCIY CD autographed single still not received (95,222) (95,233) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I know Jade's came. Because the absolute Sweetheart bought me one as an unexpected present. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 16:47)

Mariah's writing style, vocabulary and personal (95,232) by Leo from LAMBville Whenever I see people talking about how Mariah has changed since early 90's. Her [lyrics], her [vocab] in her lyrics and differences in her attitude and so forth. Put some perspective here. It feels like you're saying you rather controlled Mariah, Tommy and the label defining what kinda artist she would become. How it impacts a person (you have every right to like one style of music over the other). [We're] going to find out so much about Mariah the person with her [memoir], but to me. I feel like some would rather sad, controlled, depressed Mariah so they could have another Hero, Emotions, Dreamlover and so forth. She was an abused [woman] from who she could hang with, where she could go, what she could do, what she could release etc. M has even said if she could have gotten the respect that Mary J gets in the field of R&B she would have traded all the records she's broken. Just because you're good at something specific doesn't mean you have to do it. Mariah is worth [an] est. 300-550 [million] dollars with a pretty lucrative catalog. She will make the music she wants, support it or don't. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 15:16)

Interesting (95,231) by Edward from USA According to Wikipedia, what was supposed to be disc 1, now is disc 2. Disc 1 will the one containing the rarities, and the "Save the Day" will be track 14 in it. They also removed information about writers and producers from the remaining 14 tracks, I guess so we wouldn't keep on guessing, we seem to have been on the right track. They definitely underestimated the fact long time fans would guess many of the so far unnamed tracks by that information only. They definitely read this board, lol. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 14:36)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,229) (95,230) by Leo from LAMBville I agree that Mariah's voice has "aged", but I firmly believe Mariah is held to a different standard. I also think that part of the issue is Mariah has extreme insecurity and rather just have fun with it and roll with it appears somewhat awkward and people can nit/pik the performance. She can sing the alphabet out of tune with bad pitch and I'll still buy it. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 14:30)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,227) (95,229) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa I'm wrong? We all have different opinions and perspectives so I don't know how I'm "wrong". I didn't think that's what we were doing on this board. I went to the Caution World Tour and she sounded great. I was responding to a post comparing the lifespan of great athletes careers to Mariah's. My point was that these other singers have very different careers and expectations past their prime. Diana, Stevie, Aretha, Teena Marie, Whitney, and many others voices have been inconsistent and changed through the years. No rosy colored glasses, just real talk. Your post comes off as if you were very triggered, I'm just here for conversations and healthy exchange. I don't need to belittle others here to make a point. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 03:55)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,226) (95,228) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa "They might not be at their peak or even popular, but they still have active careers. Roberta Flack is 83 and is still signed to a record label. Aretha didn't sound the same, and nobody was expecting her to, but before she started struggling with pancreatic cancer, she could still sing decently. None of the artist you mentioned have officially retired." Ok. Mariah has not retired nor does she seem to be retiring soon. I'm not sure what your point was, but all I was saying is that these artists longevity has much more to do with what they did in their peak, not what they did later in their career. Mariah is the same in my opinion. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 03:38)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,220) (95,227) by Randy from USA Nikki you are wrong on so many levels. It's not about hits. It's about preserving the God-given gift you were given. I've seen Roberta Flack two years ago at 81 and she sounded better than unassisted MC does. Stevie, Aretha and Patti all sounded wonderful past 60. No they weren't their 1970s self, but they weren't embarrassing either. The Rockefeller foolishness, the GMA Touch My Body, the NYE performance, singing at MJ's funeral are things that never would've happened to them in their 40s. I love MC and I'm only here for more Languishings, Portraits and Right To Dreams. But in my opinion she has had the worst vocal decline ever in popular music. 8 years is all it took to go from the best voice in the world to sounding like she's been smoking Newport's and swallowing glass. Of course I'm talking about live. Never Too Far, Lead The Way and Through The Rain sound fantastic. I know I'm not the only one that is in knots before she steps on stage. Because I guess I live in the real world and my Facebook friends are fans of all divas and I can't defend her. I don't have ya'll rose colored glasses. Andrew and RJ112 think I repeat myself so I'll leave you with this. I'll leave you with this. Look up Patti Labelle's 2004 performance on Divas Live when she sang Love Need Want You and You'll Never Walk Alone. She was 60. What will MC sound like in ten years... unassisted? (Thursday 27 August 2020; 00:52)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,220) (95,226) by Edward from USA "Idk when I look at Tina, Diana, Patti, Aretha, Stevie Wonder, Lionel, Gladys, Al Green, Roberta Flack, and many others I don't see very active careers into their 70s or even into the later parts of their lives. And we all know that the amazing Aretha (RIP) did not sound the same on her final album." They might not be at their peak or even popular, but they still have active careers. Roberta Flack is 83 and is still signed to a record label. Aretha didn't sound the same, and nobody was expecting her to, but before she started struggling with pancreatic cancer, she could still sing decently. None of the artist you mentioned have officially retired. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 21:12)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,218) (95,225) by Matthew from USA Edward, you aren't wrong. People expect athletes to retire young. There is also an expectation for singers to sing decently well into their 70's. I would argue that she is singing decently well, especially lately. But decently well is subjective. There are those like Mrs. Williams who would still point out that there's been vocal decline as compared to herself or other singers who have preserved their voices better. In response, I pointed out the that not all singers prioritize longevity. I also said that this was a controversial idea, as the expectation for singers are, like you said, that they sustain. I further argued that maybe our expectations should be tempered. That perhaps long distance marathon runners should be expected to have a longer career than sprinters. Mariah strikes me as someone whose need to feel and be special and worthy always overrode the desire for longevity that every singer has. For her, the path to that self-worth was in being extraordinary to the point that in 2020 kids on TikTok have running challenges on who can try to replicate her riffs and runs. So I guess I just had a commentary on expectations and why they can be adjusted. As for her pen game, I hear you. But that's a whole other conversation on the correlation between good art and struggle and youth. Wealthy Jay-Z's raps won't ever have the urgency of that up and coming street Jay-Z with something to prove. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 20:48)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,221) (95,224) by Edward from USA Exactly, when Mariah put herself into it, she can create great music even when telling someone to GTO. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 20:44)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,218) (95,223) by MusicfanJ from Germany "I understand her voice is not the same for whatever reason, but something has also happened to her pen game. Paradoxically, Mariah wrote more mature and cohesive lyrics when she was 20 than now when she's more mature." That's how I think too. Especially with her songwriting. Her lyrics are a part of the magic of Mariah Carey. A true poetic. When I compare her older lyrics with the new ones I really wonder as well. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 20:01)

AIWFCIY CD autographed single still not received (95,222) by The Real Deal from USA Am I the only one who still hasn't received the physical signed CD single of "All I Want For Christmas Is You"? The last correspondence that I recieved from them was in April saying "Your order is on the way." (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 19:56)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,218) (95,221) by Will from England The thing with writing is that unless you are surrounded by new inspiration, ideas and expressions, or you are writing about a personal experience from which you can draw some emotion from, you will at some point struggle to find new ways to write about something that everyone else is writing about, which for 90% of Mariah's catalouge is love. When you're young, you have so much to say, so many new ways to express an idea or a concept. But after 30 years, after writing so many songs that have been released, and also kept in the vault, can you still write the same way as you did five years ago and keep it fresh? I doubt it. Caution was Mariah surrounded by new people with new ideas and sounds, which is why it sounds so new yet so Mariah. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 19:22)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,218) (95,220) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa Idk when I look at Tina, Diana, Patti, Aretha, Stevie Wonder, Lionel, Gladys, Al Green, Roberta Flack, and many others I don't see very active careers into their 70s or even into the later parts of their lives. And we all know that the amazing Aretha (RIP) did not sound the same on her final album. These singers will always be amazing, they had longevity without actively putting out new music on a regular basis into their 70s. I see Mariah as legendary as those that came before her, yet she was a part of a very different music industry climate than they were. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 17:58)

Re: Interesting Google search (95,216) (95,219) by Terna from Nigeria Google can be a little bit glitched sometimes. Lol. But it still is helpful, in enlightening those who are oblivious to that fact. In regards to Denise Williams' comment about Mariah's Instrument, first off I don't think there was any underlying malicious intent for her comment, but more from a singer's perspective, and yes I can agree to an extent on points she raised. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 17:51)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,215) (95,218) by Edward from USA Well, comparing the longevity of an athlete's career to that of a singer and the way people perceive them is not like comparing apples and oranges, but rather like comparing apples and rocks. An athlete goes into his field knowing very well they would be retiring in their early thirties due to physical reasons, and it is something expected by people. Nobody would ever question why Michelle Kwan is not trying triple axles combinations professionally at 40 when everybody knows a figure ice skater is usually done by time they're 30. A singer is expected to be singing decently well enough into their 70's. Yes, things could happen to an athlete or a singer that could take them out very early on in their careers, but that's not usually what happens to most of them. Mariah Carey has always talked about longevity, and she's about longevity, she shaded Ariana Grande by wishing longevity to her with her career in a couple of interviews. She wants to be remembered by her music and her talent, she wants to keep on making music, and she wants people to recognize her and her talent, and there's nothing wrong with that. I understand her voice is not the same for whatever reason, but something has also happened to her pen game. Paradoxically, Mariah wrote more mature and cohesive lyrics when she was 20 than now when she's more mature. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 16:00)

Re: Deniece Williams (Lee and This is GHM) (95,208) (95,217) by 123 from USA Morgan did say that she began to drink heavily after Tommy and it peaked during her breakdown which makes sense. Tommy didn't put the drink in her hand, but he was a catalyst to her bi polar disorder by staking her, taping her phone, putting out bad press about her (Wendy confirmed she was offered a nice amount of money to bash Mariah everyday) reducing promotion, radio ads, and using other artists on the same label against her, and then sabotaging the success of a future project on a new label to stick the last nail on the coffin. Mental state does have a barring on one's voice and how they care for it. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 06:48)

Interesting Google search (95,216) by Bobby A from United States Hey everybody. I just did this Google search. Why are Mariah Carey's songs so hard to sing live? The first thing that came up was about her vocal nodules. The other information we have known for years as the reasons for her vocal decline. Check it out. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 03:28)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,178) (95,215) by Scott from USA Interesting point, but I think there are a lot of people with extraordinary voices that are able to preserve and keep their voice in good form. That said, sure, everyone's voice is different, but I do feel there's more to it than that. As for the athletes, yes, we will marvel and appreciate the heights of their career, but imagine if they were still competing in their current form. Sadly, they would be hounded by the public. This is what is happening to Mariah and I think that's just the way it goes. I for one can appreciate her voice has changed and still enjoy mostly. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 03:02)

Re: Underneath the Stars (95,210) (95,214) by enwar00 from usa No. What did it accomplish? (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 02:43)

Re: Mariah Carey green vinyl (95,211) (95,213) by Bill from the UK Thank you so much (double exclamation mark). Lol Edward, stop it. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 00:32)

Re: Mariah Carey green vinyl (95,209) (95,212) by Bobby A from United States Edward, lol. (Tuesday 25 August 2020; 23:21)

Re: Mariah Carey green vinyl (95,204) (95,211) by Bobby A from United States I will do it for you. mercyjames678@gmail.com (Tuesday 25 August 2020; 22:33)

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