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Re: janet. turns 25 (82,464) (82,485) by Victor from Costa Rica Hello Bill. You look nice in your pic. What a handsome man. (Monday 21 May 2018; 01:51)

Re: New list (82,482) (82,484) by Andrew from UK Holey rusted metal Batman. Eternal, Always and Forever was like the first album I ever owned. Totally forgot. "Always and forever I just want you to know, I wanna be where you are, no matter how near or far." I still know the words. Lord, I feel old lmao. (Monday 21 May 2018; 00:34)

I also forgot (82,483) by Dove from United States 2000 - Parachutes (Coldplay) 2002 - A Rush of Blood the the Head (Coldplay) (Sunday 20 May 2018; 19:04)

Re: New list (82,472) (82,482) by Bill from the UK Ha, I can't really take credit for this idea. Here's my list. It's confined to the 90s because, well, that's all I listen to lol (except Mariah). 1993: The year I got into chart/pop music. Defined by Mariah Carey Music Box, Dina Carroll So Close, Janet Jackson Janet, Eternal Always and Forever and Ace of Base Happy Nation (first album I ever bought). 1994: Dina & Mariah over spilled into 1994. This was the year I also discovered my other favourite Tori Amos with her Under the Pink album. 1995: Daydream and Tina Arena Don't Ask 1996: Tori Amos Boys for Pele and Michael Jackson HIStory 1997: Butterfly and Tina Arena In Deep 1998: Started delving into back catalogues at this time and found out how great the 70s were. Stevie Wonder and Joni Mitchell both released a string of great albums during that decade. 1999: Pretty much as above, continued to live in my bubble and block out any new music except Mariah ha. I'm so boring, sorry. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 18:38)

Re: New list (82,477) (82,481) by Dove from United States I forgot to mention that a long time ago (in 2015) someone on this message board recommended To Pimp a Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar so I got it because the person made it sound really good. That was on heavy rotation in my car. Then when Damn. came out last year I got that too. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 14:28)

Re: janet. turns 25 (82,465) (82,480) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines We 90s junkies gotta stick together. Yeah, I've watched Throb on SNL. It was great especially towards the end. But I feel like the most epic performance of that era was her mashup of That's The Way Love Goes and If on the MTV awards, if I'm not mistaken. Stripped definitely would not have existed without janet. Even Fergie's enjoyable debut album is an offspring of janet. I even find it tons more interesting than Music Box which was also released that time. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 13:24)

Re: janet. turns 25 (82,467) (82,479) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Thanks, that's so sweet of you, but I'm usually just very descriptive of the albums I actually like or dislike. Anything that falls in between is not worth talking about. Haha. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 13:15)

Re: Angel's Advocate tour (82,475) (82,478) by Mara from United States Robert-Anthony, I went to the Angels Advocate tour and remember how strong she sounded, especially during Make It Happen. I loved her entrance on that swing and how she looked like a real life princess in her entrance. What I hated about the tour was the horrible cheap, low budget stage. I remember how strange the stage was, being built up with this incredibly ugly looking door that was an entrance to back stage front and center. I just remember how cheap it looked for someone of Mariah Carey's stature. The dancing was kind of unprofessional looking too. That is really what ruined it for me. Other than the opening dress, the rest were not the most flattering either. After seeing MC live on the Charmbraclet tour and Adventures of Mimi tour, this just lacked for me. Her live vocals were great, but the rest kind of ruined the whole experience as a whole. I loved that she did a lot of songs off of Memoirs though, especially HATE U. I don't mean to sound shallow and certainly hope I don't come off that way. I just always felt that tour didn't work for me as a complete package. But yes, her live vocals were full. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 05:57)

Re: New list (82,472) (82,477) by Dove from United States Of course this isn't the only music I listened to but these are the albums I remember actually owning and playing a lot. This exercize has made me realize how basic and pleby my music choices have been and I'm almost embarrassed to share them. But it took a long time to compile, so here it is: 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 Tiffany (self titled) 1988 Hold an Old Friend's Hand (Tiffany) 1989 1990 Mariah Carey (self titled), Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em (MC Hammer), Gonna Make You Sweat (C+C Music Factory), The Immaculate Collection (Madonna) 1991 Emotions (Mariah Carey), Cooleyhighharmony (Boyz II Men), Too Legit to Quit (MC Hammer), Rush Street (Richard Marx), Dangerous (Michael Jackson) 1992 MTV Unplugged (Mariah Carey), Entre a Mi Mundo (Selena), Jon Secada (self titled), The Bodyguard Soundtrack 1993 Music Box (Mariah Carey), Live (Selena), The Sign (Ace of Base) 1994 En Vivo (Mana), Amor Prohibido (Selena), Crazy Sexy Cool (TLC), MTV Unplugged in New York (Nirvana), II (Boyz II Men), Age Ain't Nothing but a Number (Aaliyah), Heart, Soul & a Voice (Jon Secada), Dookie (Green Day) 1995 Daydream (Mariah Carey), Tragic Kingdom (No Doubt), Pieces of You (Jewel), Pies Descalzos (Shakira), Dreaming of You (Selena), Waiting to Exhale Soundtrack, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (The Smashing Pumpkins), Another Night (The Real McCoy), Jagged Little Pill (Alanis Morisette) 1996 The Score (The Fugees), Siempre Selena, Tidal (Fiona Apple), One in A Million (Aaliyah), The Album (Angelina), 1997 Butterfly (Mariah Carey), La Historia (Caifanes), Come on Over (Shania Twain), Dulzura (Jennifer y Los Jetz), Nimrod (Green Day) 1998 Spirit (Jewel), Donde Estan Los Ladrones (Shakira), The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, Never Say Never (Brandy), From the Choirgirl Hotel (Tori Amos), Ray of Light (Madonna) 1999 Rainbow (Mariah Carey), Christina Aguilera (self titled album), When the Pawn (Fiona Apple), To Venus and Back (Tori Amos), On the 6 (Jennifer Lopez), Baby One More Time (Brittney Spears) 2000 Return to Saturn (No Doubt), MTV Unplugged (Shakira), Lightbulb Sun (Porcupine Tree), All That You Can't Leave Behind (U2), Oops I did it Again (Britney Spears), Mi Reflejo (Christina Aguilera) 2001 Glitter (Mariah Carey), Break the Cycle (Staind), This Way (Jewel), Laundry Service (Shakira), Greatest Hits (The Cure), Britney (self titled) 2002 Charmbracelet (Mariah Carey), In Absentia (Porcupine Tree) 2003 Elephunk (The Black Eyed Peas), 0304 (Jewel), Thankful (Kelly Clarkson), Best of R.E.M., Dangerously in Love (Beyonce), Sounds of Summer: The Very Best of The Beach Boys, In the Zone (Britney Spears) 2004 Breakaway (Kelly Clarkson), Tonight, Not Again: Jason Mraz Live at the Eagles Ballroom, How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (U2), American Idiot (Green Day) 2005 The Emancipation of Mimi, Monkey Business (The Black Eyed Peas), Extraordinary Machine (Fiona Apple), Deadwing (Porcupine Tree) 2006 Back to Basics (Christina Aguilera) 2007 My December (Kelly Clarkson), Blackout (Britney Spears) 2008 E=MC2, Sounds of the Smiths, We Sing. We Dance. We Steal Things. (Jason Mraz), I Am Sasha Fierce (Beyonce), Fearless (Taylor Swift), Only by the Night (Kings of Leon), The Fame (Lady Gaga) 2009 MOIA (Mariah), The E.N.D. (The Black Eyed Peas), Kari Jobe (self titled), All I Ever Wanted (Kelly Clarkson), The Incident (Porcupine Tree), Sigh No More (Mumford and Sons), No Line on the Horizon (U2), Ki and Addicted (Devin Townsend Project) 2010 Speak Now (Taylor Swift), Doo-Wops & Hooligans (Bruno Mars), Greatest Hits... So Far... (Pink) 2011 Stronger (Kelly Clarkson), Visions (Haken), Grace for Drowning (Steven Wilson), 21 (Adele) 2012 Where I Find You (Kari Jobe), The Idler Wheel (Fiona Apple), Red (Taylor Swift) Love Is a Four Letter Word (Jason Mraz), Unorthodox Jukebox (Bruno Mars), Babel (Mumford and Sons) 2013 Brave Enough: Live at the Variety Playhouse (Sara Bareilles), The Mountain (Haken), The Raven that Refused to Sing (Steven Wilson), Beyonce (self titled) 2014 MIAM (Mariah) Yes. (Jason Mraz), Majestic (Kari Jobe), 1989 (Taylor Swift) 2015 Piece by Piece (Kelly Clarkson), Hand. Cannot. Erase. (Steven Wilson) 2016 Affinity (Haken), Magma (Gojira), Lemonade (Beyonce), Transcendence (Devin Townsend Project) 2017 The Garden (Kari Jobe), Meaning of Life (Kelly Clarkson), To the Bone (Steven Wilson), Taylor Swift (Reputation) 2018 I haven't bought any new albums this year. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 05:26)

Re: New list (82,472) (82,476) by B from USA 1995 Mariah Carey Daydream Fantasy 1996 The Fugees The Score Killing Me Softly 1997 Mariah Carey Butterfly Breakdown 1998 Lauren Hill The Miseducation of Lauren Hill Everything is Everything 1999 Britney Spears Baby One More Time Baby One More Time 2000 Nelly Country Grammar Ride Wit Me 2001 P.nk M.ssundaztood Just Like A Pill 2002 Justin Timberlake Justified Cry Me A River 2003 Beyonce Dangerously in Love Baby Boy 2004 Usher Confessions Burn 2005 Mariah Carey We Belong Together 2006 Nelly Furtado Do It 2007 Britney Spears Blackout Piece of Me 2008 Mariah Carey E=MC2 Side Effects 2009 Kelly Clarkson All I Ever Wanted Already Gone 2010 Bruno Mars Doo-Wops & Hooligans Grenade 2011 Adele 21 Someone Like You 2012 Bruno Mars Unorthodox Jukebox When I Was Your Man 2013 Justin Timberlake The 20/20 Experience Mirrors 2014 Taylor Swift 1989 Style/Wildest Dreams 2015 Tori Kelly Unbreakable Smile Should've Been Us 2016 Bruno Mars 24K Magic Versace on the Floor 2017 ? 2018 ? (Sunday 20 May 2018; 03:50)

Angel's Advocate tour (82,475) by Robert-Anthony from United States The Angel's Advocate tour is one nobody ever talks about. The tour was very special for me because it was my first time seeing Mariah live ever in Atlanta. The Angel's Advocate tour was Mariah's last big tour with multiple dates back to back. Her voice was strong and sounded great. What I found to be odd was that her voice sounded so hoarse and raspy on MOIA, but when she toured during Angel's Advocate her voice had no rasp or hoarseness. That goes to show what we can expect with the new album and the shows in July and August. Her voice should sound really awesome because she has lost weight and feeling good about her new look. She probably will never do a huge tour again because her voice just can't sustain that type of singing night after night. The Adventures of Mimi DVD is evidence. I just can't watch it as much as I would like to because she sounded so hoarse during much of the concert. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 01:54)

Re: janet. turns 25 (82,471) (82,474) by Haiji Toro from USA Lol I understand. I couldn't even do the 2000's. Too many blurred and drunken eras for me. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 01:36)

Re: List of albums and years (82,470) (82,473) by Haiji Toro from USA Wow, I love your list Randy. We have a lot of music in common. Thank you for taking the time out in doing it as well. Funny how we both stopped after 2010. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 01:27)

New list (82,472) by Haiji Toro from USA Here's my list. 1986 "Sara" by Starship is the first song I remember to ever hear, but Janet's "Control" album takes it. 1987 MJ "Bad" album 1988 Sade "Stronger Than Pride" album 1989 Madonna "Like A Prayer" 1990 Of course lol Mariah Carey's debut album 1991 Boyz II Men "Cooleyhighharmony" and MJ's "Dangerous" 1992 Prince "Love Symbol" and Madonna's "Erotica" 1993 Ace of Base "The Sign" and Whitney's "I'm Your Baby Tonight" (released 1990) 1994 TLC "CrazySexyCool", Green Day "Dookie", Selena "Amor Prohibido", Madonna "Bedtime Stories" 1995 Mary J. Blige "My Life", Boyz II Men "II", MC "Music Box" & "Daydream", MJ "HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I" and Alanis Morissette "Jagged Little Pill" 1996 MC "Daydream" (still lol), Monica "Miss Thang", 2Pac "All Eyez On Me", Selena "Dreaming Of You", Celine Dion "Falling Into You" 1997 MC "Butterfly" and basically the majority of hip hop/r&b acts/songs of that era. I then became obsessed with MC''s music and the rest is history. 2000's music was ok. I do like Britney, Christina, some rap. 2010's "Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel" was the only album I remember purchasing during that era. I purchased everything else she released then on and a few other songs here and there. Most music of today isn't enjoyable to listen to multiple times. What a blessing to be able to listen to any song from any era. This list was time consuming, tbh. I don't blame anyone for not posting theirs. I figured I'd do the honour since I suggested it, based on Bill's awesome idea. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 01:18)

Re: janet. turns 25 (82,468) (82,471) by Licia from USA I'm just not going to participate. My list will be long starting from 1983. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 01:02)

List of albums and years (82,470) by Randy from USA 1983 Thriller 1984 Private Dancer 1985 Whitney Houston 1986 Control 1987 Whitney 1988 Bad 1989 Forever Your Girl & Rhythm Nation 1814 1990 Mariah Carey 1991 Emotions & Dangerous 1992 The Bodyguard Original Soundtrack Album 1993 Toni Braxton & Janet 1994 My Life 1995 CrazySexyCool, Daydream & Waiting To Exhale 1996 Secrets & One In A Million 1997 Butterfly, Pieces of You, Surfacing & The Velvet Rope 1998 Believe, Ray of Light, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill & My Love Is Your Love 1999 Fanmail, The Writing's on the Wall, Rainbow & Christina Aguilera 2000 Music 2001 The Heat, Glitter, Survivor & All For You 2002 Home, Ashanti, Charmbracelet & Stripped 2003 Dangerously In Love 2004 Confessions, Goodies, Fallen & Damita Jo 2005 The Emancipation Of Mimi & Confessions on a Dance Floor 2006 B-Day 2007 Minutes to Midnight 2008 E=MC2 2009 I Look To You & Memoirs Of an Imperfect Angel 2010 ???? 2011 21 And then I stopped listening to new music. (Sunday 20 May 2018; 00:23)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey is "considering baring all" in a naked shoot (82,460) (82,469) by Andrew from UK Of course you read what I say. Just took a look at your message history: "The lady doth protest too much." (Sunday 20 May 2018; 00:15)

Re: janet. turns 25 (82,464) (82,468) by Haiji Toro from USA Great idea. New list. Starting from earliest memory, what song or album defined each year up to 2018? (Saturday 19 May 2018; 22:29)

Re: janet. turns 25 (82,463) (82,467) by Haiji Toro from USA this_is_qhm, I love when you describe any album. You bring it to life. I absolutely love janet., the album, as well as the entertainer. At that time in my life, I was 12 and didn't go out to buy it until 3 years later. Although I did hear some of the songs on the radio at times, it wasn't until I purchased it, that I became so obsessed with it, that I also went out and bought the vhs with the videos and behind the scenes. That's when I discovered that Sweet'n-Lo was her then backup dancer. (Saturday 19 May 2018; 22:25)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey is "considering baring all" in a naked shoot (82,457) (82,466) by MusicfanJ from Germany I'm not jealous, and I love sexiness with class. But there should always be something left for the fantasy. She is so beautiful she doesn't need those publicity. Some other midlife crisis c-celebrity like Heidi Klum (tasteless woman) can show the world their naked body. Boring as hell. I want some classy photoshoot. Mariah doesn't need to prove anything. (Saturday 19 May 2018; 19:51)

Re: janet. turns 25 (82,463) (82,465) by enwar00 from usa Yes yes yes. I love talking late 90s albums with you. Such a great album with so much variety and yet I like every song on it. That's The Way Love Goes is still one of my all time favorite songs. The interludes were super short and it was the first time I'd seen that so it seemed creative. I actually think it influenced even more artists, and as I read your post I instantly thought Stripped by Christina, another brilliant and eclectic masterpiece. I love both of those album tracks you mentioned, so mellow and gorgeous. This album and its singles were massive in the Emancipation of Mimi type of way, where at least 10 songs made their way as singles and on the radio and had amazing and creative videos on heavy rotation. WAYN was played on the radio here for a long time and so was Throb, my favorite of the uptempos. I loved her SNL performances of it, have you seen it? She also did Anytime, Anyplace. The tour was amazing as well, my first time seeing her. I just listened to the CD yesterday on its anniversary. Brought back memories of riding my bike and going to the pool and playing Sega Genesis all summer long. Crazy thing is I did almost the same thing the next summer, because the songs were still on the radio, even the B-sides. Have you heard And On And On? Ok I know what I'm doing today. (Saturday 19 May 2018; 18:13)

Re: janet. turns 25 (82,463) (82,464) by Bill from the UK 1993 was a great year musically anyway, and I agree, Janet was a great album. Especially when I discovered Whoops Now by mistake. What a bonus that was. From those opening strings of Morning to the rainfall that finishes Sweet Dreams, every track and interlude in between works really well. That, Music Box, and Dina Carroll’s So Close defines 1993 for me. (Saturday 19 May 2018; 17:34)

janet. turns 25 (82,463) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines One of the most impressive strings of albums in pop ever is Janet Jackson's Control - Rhythm Nation 1814 - janet. - The Velvet Rope in terms of quality, creativity and chart success (heck, I'd even include All For You and Damita Jo up there but that's just me). From a declaration of female independence to social awareness to celebration of the female sexuality to mature introspection - Janet's laid down the blueprint that would be emulated by almost every black female singer out there today. janet. remains her most eclectic collection of songs to date. The genre-hopping masterpiece where there are more interludes than actual songs still sounds relevant today. Nothing will ever touch the slinky bassline of That's The Way Love Goes, the sheer creativity of If, and the sensual slow burn of Any Time, Any Place. And those are just 3 of the 9 singles. I personally love those that didn't get released as well, such as The Body That Loves You and Where Are You Now. Such a great album. It's no wonder that it's her bestselling one. Happy 25, janet. (Saturday 19 May 2018; 12:05)

Re: JLo (82,458) (82,462) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Point taken. Sure, not all of J. Lo's endeavors post 2000 have prospered, but what I wanted to point out in my last post was that regardless of how J. Lo's ventures perform commercially, she and her team has done better at making her efforts count towards maintaining an image that's likable. Granted, Mariah has had some projects that have worked to her favor, but those are all overshadowed by those that did not - American Idol, Mariah's World, Infinity, I Don't. Both are moguls at this point, but J. Lo's stamp and brand has been more visible. Not to mention to a shade-sniffing public, Mariah just seems to give them what they want for them to twist and blow up, portraying Mariah as an insecure, catty bitch and therefore lessening her likability. Sure, visibility and likeability does not automatically translate to commercial/critical success, but in the age of social media, the more you're seen in a good light, the better your chances of being recognized and followed by the newer generation, and for aging 90s divas, that's vital. The entertainment industry relies so much on perception that very little attention ever gets paid to the actual talent and effort. That's where Mariah loses. On a brighter note, losing Stella was a huge step in the right direction, but Mariah still needs to get out of her comfort zone and high horse and put in the extra work. (Saturday 19 May 2018; 09:41)

Article: Mariah Carey is "considering baring all" (82,461) by Dove from United States I suspect some of these accounts encouraging MC to "bare it all" are the same person. [Webmaster: That's correct, they are all the same person.] (Saturday 19 May 2018; 01:27)

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