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Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) (88,677) by anonymous from UK Can't last Randy? Have you ever seen "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane"? I kid, of course, but I enjoy Mariah being a character more than I would enjoy her being what you describe. She's a megastar legend, not a regular person on the street. Frankly, people are becoming too boring and vanilla, I love MC and her eccentricities, I love that she's a dividing character who people either love or hate. She's a bit loopy, a bit unhinged, and great fun. If she wants to think she's 12 when she's 80, I'm all for it. Be yourself to the end, don't be a regular. She's nuts, I'm nuts, the world is nuts and I love it. (Monday 18 March 2019; 18:39)

Re: Still listening (88,667) (88,676) by anonymous from UK Haha Bill, I've gotta reiterate and I have said it before, I love Heartbreaker, CTTA, Bliss, Heartbreaker remix, Crybaby and TGIFY. I love so many songs from that album, but it just doesn't click or connect with me as a whole and so many songs I straight up don't like. It's MC's one mis-step for me, out of a catalogue of albums I adore, but I'm so happy it gets the love it does. Just because something doesn't connect with me, I don't think it's rubbish, just not my taste. Even the much loved Petals does not a lot for me, depending on how I feel. It's very hard for me to pick my fave MC albums (right now I'd say Emotions, CB and Caution but that changes all the time) but if you asked my least favourite, it would be Rainbow without hesitation. (Monday 18 March 2019; 17:51)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,670) (88,675) by Shezz from Pk Totally. It felt like it was more of a list of right and wrong, black and white. So so many shades of gray here. (Monday 18 March 2019; 17:01)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) (88,674) by Matthew from USA Caution did get rave reviews. If you're a fan, that can be cause for celebration. You may not want to celebrate that, which is fine, but there's no need to get in the way of the fans that do. Is her microphone just a prop? She's currently on tour, with articles rolling in daily claiming otherwise, but maybe those are all written by one of the two types of folks on this board. She needs to make mature music befitting a legend? Well, she made Caution, a mature R&B album that has garnered her the best reviews of her career. But perhaps that's not what you think a legend should be doing. I suppose it's a matter of perspective. Some folks see the glass half full, others see it half empty. We need both. What I will do is list a few of Mariah's contemporaries: Whitney, Celine, Toni, Janet, Boyz II Men, Jodeci, TLC, Lil Kim, Luther, Shania, En Vogue, Nirvana, Alanis, Paula Cole, Lauryn Hill. These are all artists that were doing well during Mariah's rise and peak. Looking through that list gives me some perspective when I start getting too negative. (Monday 18 March 2019; 14:33)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,670) (88,673) by B from USA I like how he's categorized as someone who knows she's capable of so much more and yet according to him he hasn't been capable of greatness since 1995/1996. (Monday 18 March 2019; 14:24)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,659) (88,672) by B from USA When I said this era should be compared to the Charmbracelet era I didn't mean statically. Both albums came after a disappointing period in Mariah's career however Charmbracelet was critically derided while Caution is critically acclaimed. Critics openly questioned not only Mariah's ability to sing on Charmbracelet but her ability to write. Selling 200,000 ww copies of an album in this day and age is the equivalent of going platinum in the 90's. Considering the best selling album of the year only sold 1.6 million ww in combined sales. [Webmaster: This is in the UK only, not world wide.] Caution has sold what it has in less than four months while it's taken Charmbracelet almost 16 years to sell 3 million copies and it was released when albums still routinely sold 5 to 10 million copies. (Monday 18 March 2019; 14:22)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,666) (88,671) by RibbonB from USA Memoirs sold 168,000 in its first week alone and is estimated one million sales word wide. It also has two charting singles, with Obsessed being in the top ten. (Monday 18 March 2019; 14:00)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) (88,670) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Dividing the people on this board into two categories is too simple. You have many people in between the two stereotypes you just made up, and I am one of them. (Monday 18 March 2019; 13:47)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) (88,669) by enwar00 from usa Personally I think there are more than two types of folks on this board. (Monday 18 March 2019; 13:23)

Re: Still listening (88,663) (88,668) by virgo.miss from australia Yes, whilst she is still making music, I'll buy it. I have Caution on a relatively high rotation and it is a good album. I'm a Rainbow forward fan, who only became one after TEOM. I only bought the earlier albums to see if I was as unimpressed as I was in the 90's (and I was). Clearly MC doesn't give much of a shit about anything, which is her right, I only care about chart results for the purposes of her continuing to release music that I as CD buying dinosaur can access. (Monday 18 March 2019; 11:15)

Re: Still listening (88,663) (88,667) by Bill from the UK Poor Rainbow. That album is a bop. The summery 80s vibe of Heartbreaker, the beautiful message and vocals of CTTA, the sensuality of Bliss and those delirious high notes, the longing of After Tonight, the sass of X-Girlfriend, and then the closing of Petals, Rainbow and Thank God I Found You. Admittedly there's a couple of issues like How Much and Did I Do That, and it does seem like it was thrown together (removing covers, interludes and remixes it has like, 1 song on it) but I still love it. (Monday 18 March 2019; 09:44)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,659) (88,666) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Seems like many here, including the webmaster, think you can compare sales today with sales 20 years ago. Besides Adele, there aren't really many albums that have sold on a Music Box-level in over a decade. Albums today don't generally sell as much, just a fraction really. So for Mariah to sell 200.000 copies of Caution in this stage in her career, it's not bad at all. Remember both her last two albums sold less. So it's actually a turn to the better with Caution. I must agree with some here, I believe Caution is the best album of her career. Her older songs are the ones I'm listening to the most, but I'm proud of Mariah and the universal acclaim she has gotten for Caution. (Monday 18 March 2019; 08:40)

Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) by Randy from USA So it boils down to two types of folks on this board. One group that celebrates every little thing that happens with Caution: B, Nikki etc. You guys celebrate the fact that Caution was released to rave reviews and that A No No reached #157 on the Hot Bubbling Under Tracks played on an R&B station in Waterford, Idaho on cloudy days in February. You guys don't mind that a microphone is just a prop in her live shows. Then there's the group I'm in who thinks MC can do so much better even with the voice where it is. She's an amazing songwriter who could mature up her image and strip down her production and actually make music becoming of a legend, but she refuses because that's not the image she wants out there. At this point we have to agree to disagree. We all love MC but all choose different paths for her to find success. But what I will say is that the ditzy, eternally 12, air quotes, festive, lighting obsessed personality can't last into her 50s. Hell, Mean Girls was released 15 years ago and it was a movie about Teenage Girls. Is MC gonna emulate Regina George into her 50s? (Monday 18 March 2019; 03:04)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,658) (88,664) by jaker20 from US If she gets one streaming hit, the rest will gain more visibility. It's a domino effect. She needs one good video or streaming hit and she won't get that with mediocre videos. I have a feeling Spotify and streaming platforms is also payola-driven, we never really know the metrics that drive those playlist, but Mariah at this point in her career should be above that. (Monday 18 March 2019; 00:47)

Still listening (88,663) by anonymous from UK To Caution daily, still loving it, still not caring a toss about sales. It's really one of the best albums of Mariah's career, from the hypnotic opening of GTFO, to the sweetly beautiful With You, the warning in Caution, the sass of A No No, the summer loving of The Distance, the epic Giving Me Life, the sexiness of One More 'Gen, the throwback staples of 8th Grade and Stay Long Love You to the legend of Portrait. I love all Mariah's albums apart from Rainbow (sorry, not sorry), but the Caution album truly cements for me why I've been a fan, a lamb, whatever, of the same artist since I was 13 years old. Mariah really makes the music I want to hear and that's impressive for one person. To me, she is the greatest voice of all time, one of the greatest songwriters and a true testament to the power of talent. Still super pissed at myself for not buying tickets for the show at the Royal Albert Hall. (Monday 18 March 2019; 00:45)

Sales/streams vs quality (88,662) by jaker20 from US Mariah will never sell like she used to, and sales are down across the board anyway. Lambs used to complain that Mariah is all about charts, and now that she's giving us a good album they're still complaining. Not everyone needs a Cher-type comeback. As long as she's serving quality, I am happy. She is an artist after all. With her peaks behind her, she can focus on being the true artist she wants to be and solidify her status. Paul McCartney is still releasing albums regularly and they are acclaimed because he doesn't care about charts, and they all continue to to his legacy and that's what I want Mariah to chase in this next chapter of her career. I do hope Mariah gets a surprise hit somehow, I know they're around the corner one of these days. But that shouldn't be her focus anymore. I love the album and she got some of the best reviews of her career, and that's why I'm not too upset by it under-performing. (Monday 18 March 2019; 00:37)

Re: The remix (88,646) (88,661) by Dove from United States I'm sad to live in a world where Adam Levine has more pull than Mariah Carey. (Sunday 17 March 2019; 17:18)

Over it (88,660) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) It's crazy how everyone is upset about something that was never in the works, MC only mentioned she would love to work with Cardi. She also said she would love remix A No No with Lil Kim since she sampled her song and she always loved Crush On You. Again even if the remix was going to happen Atlantic would have blocked Cardi from appearing on the song simply because a Jermaine Dupri production is not popping in 2019. Besides the artist themselves radio programmers and PD's pay attention to who the producer is that artist worked with. So honestly speaking the remix Jermaine had in mind was never gonna happen so can we move on now? (Sunday 17 March 2019; 17:09)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,658) (88,659) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands Well, you asked for it. I compared Caution to Charmbracelet and here are the results: 1) Charmbracelet sold over 3 million copies worldwide, Caution less than 200.000. 2) Charmbracelet had two (minor) hit singles: "Through The Rain" (a top 10 hit in 7 countries) and "Boy (I Need You)" (no. 17 in the UK). Caution had zero hit singles. According to Wikipedia, "With You" and "A No No" did not chart anywhere in the world ("With You" only reached top 10 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, it did not enter the Hop 100). So in comparison, Charmbracelet performed 15x better than Caution. (Sunday 17 March 2019; 15:44)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,656) (88,658) by B from USA This goal is not only reachable but realistic unlike expecting Mariah to top the Hot 100 at this stage in her career. Members of this board like to dismiss With You's success at Adult Contemporary and R&B radio but I think at this stage in her career scoring her biggest hit at those formats since Fly Like A Bird is a respectable feat, one she didn't accomplish any of the singles from Charmbracelet. I think this era shouldn't be compared to TEOM era but the Charmbracelet era. We need to readjust our expectations. Mariah only said she would love to work with Cardi and Kim not that she was going to. JD's egotistical tweets set this remix up for failure. Yes, the remix is bad but it doesn't retroactively make the album version bad. (Sunday 17 March 2019; 15:31)

Re: A No No remix (88,653) (88,657) by B from USA One shitty remix doesn't change how I feel about the album or era. Say what you want about the remix but Mariah delivered on the album. (Sunday 17 March 2019; 15:00)

40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,656) by T from USA I hope she can get 40 million views with Caution album on YouTube. It would be pretty respectable if after the era ends (by the end of the world tour) if she has these stats: - GTFO music video: 10 million - With You music video: 10 million - A No No music video: 10 million - A No No audio video: 2 million - A No No lyric video: 1 million - Caution audio video: 1 million - The Distance lyric video: 1 million - Giving Me Life audio video: 1 million - One Mo' Gen audio video: 1 million - 8th Grade audio video: 1 million - Stay Long Love audio video: 1 million - Portrait audio video: 1 million A few of these goals she's already reached, the others are very close. Right now she sits at around 25 million views for Caution. (Sunday 17 March 2019; 14:26)

This is Mariah (88,655) by Andrew from London, UK It is not a bloody remix. It's as much of a remix as WYC with Brian McKnight. I think you all have to accept that Mariah will never care about her music launches again. She makes a few songs every few years, but tours with fake vocals to milk her legacy until the voice packs up. What we want and expect and debate is not what she is capable of giving. This is Mariah without massive record producers pushing her. She was only ever so big and so grounded as those who helped her. (Sunday 17 March 2019; 13:25)

Re: Stefflon Don and the remix (88,649) (88,654) by Stacey from USA Because the remix is crap and she knows it. (Sunday 17 March 2019; 03:26)

Re: A No No remix (88,652) (88,653) by enwar00 from usa I'll take your word for it. Honestly I haven't even listened to it and I couldn't care less. It's not my career or life so I'll take the good and enjoy what I can. I was happy with with original and video regardless if it charts or not. I love the album, enjoyed the concert and I like the videos. Lucky me. (Saturday 16 March 2019; 23:15)

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