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So what (101,885) by Lee from USA If Tommy did wonders for Mariah, then why he couldn't [he] do the same for Thalia, Brenda or MJ? All of the other artists blowing him off isn't a good look. (Sunday 18 December 2022; 00:30) this is a reply to message 101,883

So what (101,883) by BFF from United States I agree. Mariah needs a dose of reality. Tommy wasn't good for her personal life, but his influence was really good for her professionally. She was much more disciplined and focused, and she kept herself in better shape physically and vocally. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if they had never gotten married but kept their relationship strictly professional. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 22:34)

MSG final night (101,884) by Timothy from USA What can I say? I wasn't sure what to expect as I saw some of the videos from earlier in the week but Mariah rested and brought good voice Friday night. The energy in the sold out crowd was palpable. I have been to other shows where the artist was late but thankfully this crowd was very patient as if it was almost accepted and expected because it was Mariah. Great to see some of the lambs I have seen around on the internet with their friends on the floor of the arena where we were. Bryan is really developing into a real Desi Arnaz as he was working with the production crew behind us and explaining to someone next to him (that buff, bald security guy with the thick black glasses from the last 20 years) how she just needed rest and some focus to deliver as she was doing. He has matured and is very confident as her partner now in his strut around the arena in between moments on stage. All considered, it was worth the money. Being a live concert junkie, I really want to stress that Mariah utilizes the same level of assistance as Celine and Beyoncé. No more or less in total live vs tracked vocals so I think that's important to note. Looking forward to the tv special as I am sure most may be from Friday as she referenced they were recording our show as well, which is great due to the thundering applause following a few songs like Come All Ye Faithful, Oh Holy Night, My All and Fly Like A Bird. Happy Holidays to everyone on the board. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 22:56)

So what (101,883) by BFF from United States I agree. Mariah needs a dose of reality. Tommy wasn't good for her personal life, but his influence was really good for her professionally. She was much more disciplined and focused, and she kept herself in better shape physically and vocally. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if they had never gotten married but kept their relationship strictly professional. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 22:34) this is a reply to message 101,875

So what (101,875) by Terna from Nigeria "I hope to God she's not reading these messages." I sure do hope she is reading these messages so she knows what's up - that the facade has failed and ain't nobody gonna shell out hard earned money for a wack, mediocre show, by a lazy has been diva living on her past glory, something's got to give. You hibernated all damn year (literally) and this is what she could come up with? You could see the alarm and disgust on the audience faces. Say all you want about Tommy, but he made her be disciplined and her vocal quality in those times speaks for itself. As soon as he was out of the picture, look at the hideous shot vocals we got for "Rainbow". Ship her off to Iyanla Vanzant for rehabilitation already. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 16:54)

MSG on the 16th (101,882) by Lady B from USA The crowd on the 16th was amazing (great energy) and boy did it seem like she felt it. Great to see her having so much fun and receiving that kind of love from her hometown. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 21:16)

Hero live MSG 2022 (101,881) by "MariahHater" from Hell I literally cried watching this. It feels like Mariah is forcing the sound out of her mouth. This is indeed disturbing and heartbreaking but even if the belted parts are lipped. She still sang through the verses even if it wasn't good. I would really hug Mariah tight right now. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 18:04) this is a reply to message 101,845

Hero live MSG 2022 (101,845) by MC1989 from Spain So this may be her worst performance of her career. It's supposed to be aired on TV in a week. It doesn't matter how they end up editing it, people were there and the videos are all over the Internet. (Friday 16 December 2022; 08:54)

So what (101,880) by Tameka walker from United states I think Mariah can turn it around. Back in 2000 every one have said she lost her voice and all and her career was over. She came back stronger than ever and she was back to topping the charts. I would never count her out or bet against her. Mariah just broke records again with her Christmas song and everybody is focusing on the negative. I don't have rose colored glasses on, I see and hear the problems, if she put down the alcohol and warm up her voice and work with a voice teacher she could be back in fine form. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 17:49)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,879) by jaker20 from US So here you are, obsessing over a 2006 performance and say you care about her? Touch grass babes. You're here to insult and mock her. That's fun, your life is. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 17:47) this is a reply to message 101,859

Why is everyone surprised? (101,859) by Robert-Anthony from United States Wait a minute, Randy. Are you saying that the 2006 Grammys performance of WBT/FLAB was a combination of lip synching and live singing? I have always thought that the performance was totally live. We have been bamboozled for a very long time now if that is the case. (Friday 16 December 2022; 19:40)

So what (101,878) by jaker20 from US Hon stop fooling yourself. You dont "care" about Mariah. You want to wheel her into a hospital and get fixed so that you can get entertained. "Honey, you use to be a 10, now you're a 5, you should get treatment cause I don't like this, surgery or watch your waistline or I don't like you anymore." Hilarious. Lol. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 17:45) this is a reply to message 101,869

So what (101,869) by Jamie from UK So you would rather her be out there making performances like this? Yeah that’s really gonna do the legacy good. No one here is criticising her, she’s human after all. We’re just concerned as something is clearly wrong. I’ve followed Mariah since I was 11 I think I’m allowed to be concerned about someone I care about and have invested a lot of time in. I hope she is reading this forum then she will see how much her fans care about her welfare. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 10:49)

So what (101,877) by jaker20 from US I mean what else is new lol. These people are miserable in their lives, so they take it on Mariah. Like I said, she's their favorite punching bag. Nothing new, it's the same last month, it's the same every year. You can click the back button of the forum from last year. Same people. Same posts. Some of them literally wake up in the morning, and refresh this page and see what miserable thing they can post about Mariah lol. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 17:42) this is a reply to message 101,863

So what (101,863) by Johnny from Ireland Guys, get a grip, she's alive and well, clearly. The voice might not be there but she's out and about. I hope to God she's not reading these messages. Who needs fans when she has so many critics? Be thankful for the legacy if nothing else. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 02:02)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,876) by Randy from USA You know what's funny. Even Eric the webmaster on this board attacked me when I said that the 2006 Grammy performance was a cut and paste job. Mariah literally sang an adlib and then the next adlib was the backing track. Watch it again. I don't think bashing MC is cool and edgy. What I really feel is that MC was the 8th wonder of the world vocally. Something happened between Tokyo 1996 and Oprah 1997. We never got any explanation. But while all these other singers who have been around belting before and after Mariah, Patti Labelle, Whitney Houston, Gladys Knight, Regina Belle, Chaka Khan, are going about their business what we get to defend our diva is excuses. Her voice is different; it's sensitive, humidifiers, the ear monitor, the casket was in front of her, the air conditioning was on, the heat was on, nodules. I don't want to be right. I don't want to be the one that was right about MC's throat implosion. I'd rather her say something. One of the things I've told you guys over and over is that I live a different lifestyle than you. All of my friends are Stan's of different divas. Do you know how much ish I get as MC's representative? Recently I was given Chante Moore's performance at Soul Train and the caption said Mariah who? Would any of you, in 1995 thought Chante Moore would be able to outsing MC? MC came out in 90. Chante came out in 92. Oh wait I know. MC had to sing so much more. The nodules. The lighting. The casket. The HVAC. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 16:57) this is a reply to message 101,866

Why is everyone surprised? (101,866) by Steven Berning from USA Don't be a follower. He thinks he's being cool and edgy. Don't give in to mob mentality. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:34)

So what (101,875) by Terna from Nigeria "I hope to God she's not reading these messages." I sure do hope she is reading these messages so she knows what's up - that the facade has failed and ain't nobody gonna shell out hard earned money for a wack, mediocre show, by a lazy has been diva living on her past glory, something's got to give. You hibernated all damn year (literally) and this is what she could come up with? You could see the alarm and disgust on the audience faces. Say all you want about Tommy, but he made her be disciplined and her vocal quality in those times speaks for itself. As soon as he was out of the picture, look at the hideous shot vocals we got for "Rainbow". Ship her off to Iyanla Vanzant for rehabilitation already. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 16:54) this is a reply to message 101,863

So what (101,863) by Johnny from Ireland Guys, get a grip, she's alive and well, clearly. The voice might not be there but she's out and about. I hope to God she's not reading these messages. Who needs fans when she has so many critics? Be thankful for the legacy if nothing else. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 02:02)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,874) by Terna from Nigeria That performance was 100% live. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 16:36) this is a reply to message 101,859

Why is everyone surprised? (101,859) by Robert-Anthony from United States Wait a minute, Randy. Are you saying that the 2006 Grammys performance of WBT/FLAB was a combination of lip synching and live singing? I have always thought that the performance was totally live. We have been bamboozled for a very long time now if that is the case. (Friday 16 December 2022; 19:40)

Hero live MSG 2022 (101,873) by dicky kw from indonesia This is so painful to see. I couldn’t watch it until the end. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 15:01) this is a reply to message 101,845

Hero live MSG 2022 (101,845) by MC1989 from Spain So this may be her worst performance of her career. It's supposed to be aired on TV in a week. It doesn't matter how they end up editing it, people were there and the videos are all over the Internet. (Friday 16 December 2022; 08:54)

So what (101,872) by Edward from USA These supposed fans love it. They are just like Trey, Mary Ann and the rest. They looked at how horrible she did and clap happily in the background. I hate to see her get ridiculed. Marian owns Christmas, she should be ready to kill a few shows once a year. If she isn't then it is OK, but don't tarnish your wonderful legacy with mediocre performance for the sake of money. If you're not in a good place vocally, just don't do those shows until you are in a good place, period. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 14:29) this is a reply to message 101,869

So what (101,869) by Jamie from UK So you would rather her be out there making performances like this? Yeah that’s really gonna do the legacy good. No one here is criticising her, she’s human after all. We’re just concerned as something is clearly wrong. I’ve followed Mariah since I was 11 I think I’m allowed to be concerned about someone I care about and have invested a lot of time in. I hope she is reading this forum then she will see how much her fans care about her welfare. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 10:49)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,871) by Bill from the UK Warning, warning. Delusional Enabling Lamb alert. The phrases "yaas queen", "she doesn't owe you anything", "she has nothing to prove" and "she was sick" have been detected within the vicinity. Everybody stand clear. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 13:07) this is a reply to message 101,867

Why is everyone surprised? (101,867) by Steven Berning from USA Or, maybe you are being melodramatic to get a reaction. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:36)

CBS may have pulled the special (101,870) by Robert-Anthony from United States It's still scheduled to be broadcast according to the CBS online schedule. The network should start airing promos again this weekend for Tuesday. Watch Fire Country and 48 Hours tonight to see. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 11:25) this is a reply to message 101,864

CBS may have pulled the special (101,864) by Brad from USA Looking at the CBS website, technically her special is still listed under the programming but there is no promo on the sight for the special. Moreover, the promo photos are not there at all. This is worrisome for the only dimension of her career that still exists. I only hope her voice isn't totally gone and that she isn't ill or in pain. We wish her only the best. My sense of it is that her focus on the use of the whistle register has ruined her chords. I'm just not sure. Very sad indeed. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 03:00)

So what (101,869) by Jamie from UK So you would rather her be out there making performances like this? Yeah that’s really gonna do the legacy good. No one here is criticising her, she’s human after all. We’re just concerned as something is clearly wrong. I’ve followed Mariah since I was 11 I think I’m allowed to be concerned about someone I care about and have invested a lot of time in. I hope she is reading this forum then she will see how much her fans care about her welfare. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 10:49) this is a reply to message 101,863

So what (101,863) by Johnny from Ireland Guys, get a grip, she's alive and well, clearly. The voice might not be there but she's out and about. I hope to God she's not reading these messages. Who needs fans when she has so many critics? Be thankful for the legacy if nothing else. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 02:02)

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,868) by Steven Berning from USA Preach. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:37) this is a reply to message 101,861

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,861) by Geronimo from USA We can all see Mariah Carey is not in a good place. I'd greatly appreciate a thoughtful explanation of the intended function of serializing goats' and lambs' riveting forensic takes on the tragic "farce" of it all ad nauseam when no one knows enough to shed light on what is actually happening with Mariah Carey. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 00:29)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,867) by Steven Berning from USA Or, maybe you are being melodramatic to get a reaction. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:36) this is a reply to message 101,854

Why is everyone surprised? (101,854) by Bill from the UK That's a fair point you raised at the end there. As it's been so long, is she supposed to say she's been fooling everybody for 25 years? I think we just value Mariah's voice, legacy and music more than she does. She clearly cares more about how she looks, the bank balance, and her endorsements over her voice, her music, and her legacy. It is incredibly sad, but perhaps she simply does not care about it as much as we do. (Friday 16 December 2022; 15:45)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,866) by Steven Berning from USA Don't be a follower. He thinks he's being cool and edgy. Don't give in to mob mentality. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:34) this is a reply to message 101,859

Why is everyone surprised? (101,859) by Robert-Anthony from United States Wait a minute, Randy. Are you saying that the 2006 Grammys performance of WBT/FLAB was a combination of lip synching and live singing? I have always thought that the performance was totally live. We have been bamboozled for a very long time now if that is the case. (Friday 16 December 2022; 19:40)

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,865) by Bill from the UK You'll continue to see these comments for as long as she's "performing" (for want of a better word), until she comes clean and stops pretending to be a world class singer when she isn't. So, get used to it. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 05:56) this is a reply to message 101,861

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,861) by Geronimo from USA We can all see Mariah Carey is not in a good place. I'd greatly appreciate a thoughtful explanation of the intended function of serializing goats' and lambs' riveting forensic takes on the tragic "farce" of it all ad nauseam when no one knows enough to shed light on what is actually happening with Mariah Carey. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 00:29)

CBS may have pulled the special (101,864) by Brad from USA Looking at the CBS website, technically her special is still listed under the programming but there is no promo on the sight for the special. Moreover, the promo photos are not there at all. This is worrisome for the only dimension of her career that still exists. I only hope her voice isn't totally gone and that she isn't ill or in pain. We wish her only the best. My sense of it is that her focus on the use of the whistle register has ruined her chords. I'm just not sure. Very sad indeed. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 03:00)

So what (101,863) by Johnny from Ireland Guys, get a grip, she's alive and well, clearly. The voice might not be there but she's out and about. I hope to God she's not reading these messages. Who needs fans when she has so many critics? Be thankful for the legacy if nothing else. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 02:02)

O Holy Night crosses 100m on YT (101,862) by jaker20 from US Another classic in the bag from the best selling artist of all time, Miss Mariah Carey. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 01:05)

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,861) by Geronimo from USA We can all see Mariah Carey is not in a good place. I'd greatly appreciate a thoughtful explanation of the intended function of serializing goats' and lambs' riveting forensic takes on the tragic "farce" of it all ad nauseam when no one knows enough to shed light on what is actually happening with Mariah Carey. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 00:29)

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