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Not surprised (106,271)
by Lee from USA
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Why should I respect an artist who has ride on other artists' coattails to succeed? You can take away Diddy, Dr.Dre, and the other collaborators, and see what happens. Then again, it could be jealousy on the part of the voters. Everything that she does gets crazy coverage in the press. Therefore, they resent her for it. I would resent it too, if my ceremony got worse ratings than a MC Christmas special.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 18:45)
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Not surprised (106,269)
by Randy from USA
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Mary J Blige has 9 Grammys and 2 Oscar nominations. People don't snicker when you say her name. And listen Lee, I think you think I'm arguing for MJB. I'm not. There's not a damn thing Mary can do better than MC. Sing, write, dress, give face. MC wins. What I was saying is that the industry respects her more and that's why she was selected over MC. And again a lot of this is MCs fault. She has Tyra and Heidi Klum on stage doing her makeup. She's more interested in her dullard damsel diva than being an artist. She's laying in bed for a portion of her concert. The optics aren't there for an iconic artist.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 17:33)
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Not surprised (106,270)
by Jamie from UK
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I agree, that post from Instagram I put on shows the Mariah she should be, professional, executed and a performer. The diva persona is where she went wrong in my eyes.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 18:33)
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by Randy from USA
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Mary J Blige has 9 Grammys and 2 Oscar nominations. People don't snicker when you say her name. And listen Lee, I think you think I'm arguing for MJB. I'm not. There's not a damn thing Mary can do better than MC. Sing, write, dress, give face. MC wins. What I was saying is that the industry respects her more and that's why she was selected over MC. And again a lot of this is MCs fault. She has Tyra and Heidi Klum on stage doing her makeup. She's more interested in her dullard damsel diva than being an artist. She's laying in bed for a portion of her concert. The optics aren't there for an iconic artist.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 17:33)
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by Randy from USA
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Mary J Blige has 9 Grammys and 2 Oscar nominations. People don't snicker when you say her name. And listen Lee, I think you think I'm arguing for MJB. I'm not. There's not a damn thing Mary can do better than MC. Sing, write, dress, give face. MC wins. What I was saying is that the industry respects her more and that's why she was selected over MC. And again a lot of this is MCs fault. She has Tyra and Heidi Klum on stage doing her makeup. She's more interested in her dullard damsel diva than being an artist. She's laying in bed for a portion of her concert. The optics aren't there for an iconic artist.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 17:33)
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Not surprised (106,262)
by Lee from USA
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If people take Mary so seriously, then why is she still struggling financially? Mariah met 3 presidents, how many did Mary meet? How many artists did Mary influence? Mary could go on a world tour, and be laughed out of other countries. Besides, it's ironic to talk respectability. [censored]
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 14:12)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,268)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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I'm calling it, a T Swift consumption fatigue is coming up.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 16:24)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,259)
by Bobby A from United States
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I often wonder how a Daydream album would sell in 2024 if it was released in 2024. Would it sell a million copies plus during in its first week and break Spotify records? Would Fantasy, One Sweet Day and ABMB break streaming and iTunes records? I picked Daydream because that is when MC's career went into overdrive and her popularity increased. Tortured Poets Department seems to be Taylor Swift's Daydream. Her popularity is so high right now. She could release a David Guetta and Zedd TPD remix album in the Fall and it would sell 1.2 million plus copies too.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 03:07)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,267)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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It's her and her team's PR strategies that are impeccable. She went from being a social pariah to the biggest musical star in current times. She's talented yes but that isn't what led to her immense fame. Her team and Taylor herself are very business savvy and they created this sense of FOMO around her where people are scared to miss out on the Taylor Swift phenomenon. She feeds pieces of her lives to her fans and created this sense of "oh she's so relatable" bond which makes her look accessible yet a mystery all at once. Also her promotions are very engaging and strategic. She has become this entity where she can do no wrong. Although Mariah and Taylor are at very different stages in their careers, promotional aspect of Mariah's career especially in the last decade has seriously been lacking.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 16:24)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,260)
by Jamie from UK
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Really don't get the whole Taylor Swift thing. She's good but she's not that good. I just do understand why there is so much hype about her.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 13:47)
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Not surprised (106,266)
by Bobby A from United States
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Whitney Houston had Clive Davis behind her during her career to speak to varoius committees. 
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 15:45)
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Not surprised (106,265)
by Lee from USA
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Whitney Houston didn't do a lot of rock duets either. Plus, Mariah has a lot of celebrities that beg her for autographs and selfies.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 15:04)
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Not surprised (106,265)
by Lee from USA
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Whitney Houston didn't do a lot of rock duets either. Plus, Mariah has a lot of celebrities that beg her for autographs and selfies.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 15:04)
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Not surprised (106,264)
by Bobby A from United States
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Mary J. Blige has had a lot of high profile pop duets during her 30 years in the music business. Mary's duets with U2, George Michael, Sting, Elton John, Santana, Ray Charles, Maroon 5, Rod Stewart, Andre Bocelli, and Quincy Jones have broaden her appeal to the music industry executives as a whole. I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame committee looks at that too. That is what MC's career has lacked.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 14:42)
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Not surprised (106,264)
by Bobby A from United States
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Mary J. Blige has had a lot of high profile pop duets during her 30 years in the music business. Mary's duets with U2, George Michael, Sting, Elton John, Santana, Ray Charles, Maroon 5, Rod Stewart, Andre Bocelli, and Quincy Jones have broaden her appeal to the music industry executives as a whole. I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame committee looks at that too. That is what MC's career has lacked.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 14:42)
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Not surprised (106,262)
by Lee from USA
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If people take Mary so seriously, then why is she still struggling financially? Mariah met 3 presidents, how many did Mary meet? How many artists did Mary influence? Mary could go on a world tour, and be laughed out of other countries. Besides, it's ironic to talk respectability. [censored]
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 14:12)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,263)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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Yey, I don't get the hype too. Perhaps it's because there is almost no competition. Rihanna and Beyoncé are more entertainers too than singers with a wow effect. When I think of the 90ies, Whitney, Mariah, Céline. They were really the vocal trinity. I'm so thankful that I witnessed the golden years. The same with the male singers. Can you imagine an earth song today like Michael did back then in 95 or 96? The popular music scene has become so boring except some rare newcomers.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 14:24)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,260)
by Jamie from UK
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Really don't get the whole Taylor Swift thing. She's good but she's not that good. I just do understand why there is so much hype about her.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 13:47)
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Not surprised (106,262)
by Lee from USA
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If people take Mary so seriously, then why is she still struggling financially? Mariah met 3 presidents, how many did Mary meet? How many artists did Mary influence? Mary could go on a world tour, and be laughed out of other countries. Besides, it's ironic to talk respectability. [censored]
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 14:12)
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Not surprised (106,258)
by Randy from USA
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I just think Mary is more respected in the industry and that culturally Mary represents something for soul music. People take her seriously. Mariah is great for a throwback, a whistler, a relic to be thawed out each November. I think these perceptions is where Mariah's image hurts her. I remember one of my Whitney fans responses to my dig that Mariah had more number ones. He said "People remember Whitney songs." I wonder how many non-fans know the difference between Fantasy, Heartbreaker and Honey. Anyway, I'm back. Did ya'll miss me? P.S. I was more shocked that Sinead, Sade didn't get in. P.P.S. How messy would it be if Madonna inducted Cher lol.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 01:30)
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Not surprised (106,261)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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People remember Mariah songs too. Maybe not Heartbreaker, but Vision of Love, Emotions, Dreamlover, Hero, Without You, Fantasy and Always be my Baby are deep on the minds of almost everyone if they think of Mariah. I mean the grown-ups not the kids or teens. Nothing against Mary J. Blidge [sic], but that she will be on that Hall and Mariah not is a joke. A bad one. I don't get it. It's cool that you're back. 
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 14:08)
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Not surprised (106,258)
by Randy from USA
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I just think Mary is more respected in the industry and that culturally Mary represents something for soul music. People take her seriously. Mariah is great for a throwback, a whistler, a relic to be thawed out each November. I think these perceptions is where Mariah's image hurts her. I remember one of my Whitney fans responses to my dig that Mariah had more number ones. He said "People remember Whitney songs." I wonder how many non-fans know the difference between Fantasy, Heartbreaker and Honey. Anyway, I'm back. Did ya'll miss me? P.S. I was more shocked that Sinead, Sade didn't get in. P.P.S. How messy would it be if Madonna inducted Cher lol.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 01:30)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,260)
by Jamie from UK
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Really don't get the whole Taylor Swift thing. She's good but she's not that good. I just do understand why there is so much hype about her.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 13:47)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,259)
by Bobby A from United States
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I often wonder how a Daydream album would sell in 2024 if it was released in 2024. Would it sell a million copies plus during in its first week and break Spotify records? Would Fantasy, One Sweet Day and ABMB break streaming and iTunes records? I picked Daydream because that is when MC's career went into overdrive and her popularity increased. Tortured Poets Department seems to be Taylor Swift's Daydream. Her popularity is so high right now. She could release a David Guetta and Zedd TPD remix album in the Fall and it would sell 1.2 million plus copies too.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 03:07)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,259)
by Bobby A from United States
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I often wonder how a Daydream album would sell in 2024 if it was released in 2024. Would it sell a million copies plus during in its first week and break Spotify records? Would Fantasy, One Sweet Day and ABMB break streaming and iTunes records? I picked Daydream because that is when MC's career went into overdrive and her popularity increased. Tortured Poets Department seems to be Taylor Swift's Daydream. Her popularity is so high right now. She could release a David Guetta and Zedd TPD remix album in the Fall and it would sell 1.2 million plus copies too.
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Not surprised (106,258)
by Randy from USA
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I just think Mary is more respected in the industry and that culturally Mary represents something for soul music. People take her seriously. Mariah is great for a throwback, a whistler, a relic to be thawed out each November. I think these perceptions is where Mariah's image hurts her. I remember one of my Whitney fans responses to my dig that Mariah had more number ones. He said "People remember Whitney songs." I wonder how many non-fans know the difference between Fantasy, Heartbreaker and Honey. Anyway, I'm back. Did ya'll miss me? P.S. I was more shocked that Sinead, Sade didn't get in. P.P.S. How messy would it be if Madonna inducted Cher lol.
(Tuesday 23 April 2024; 01:30)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,257)
by Bobby A from United States
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Lol. I probably should have saved my regular closing emoji for that post. I am just wondering if there is a group of music industry heads who have it out to deny MC of these huge music accomplishments like Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Hot 100 airplay and the Grammys. I won't mention his name though. You know the one who went back to the party looking for MC.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 23:11)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,255)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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RA you're too sweet with the heart emoji after "are you kidding me" hahah. But ya I'm shocked MC didn't get it. I thought she had it in the bag.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 18:10)
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Natural Mariah (106,256)
by Jamie from UK
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I just saw this on Instagram. Bit out of season but I love how natural and effortless she is here. She was so cool without even trying to be cool.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 18:50)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,255)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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RA you're too sweet with the heart emoji after "are you kidding me" hahah. But ya I'm shocked MC didn't get it. I thought she had it in the bag.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 18:10)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,251)
by Bobby A from United States
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Mary J. Blige got it before Mariah. What? Are you kidding me?
(Monday 22 April 2024; 11:03)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,254)
by Lee from USA
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How am I wrong? People aren't supporting her. Besides, where was she when Emimen and others said worse things about Mariah?
(Monday 22 April 2024; 14:05)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,253)
by Alexis Carrington-Colby from United States
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This is such an ugly statement dropping in misogynoir. Mariah wouldn’t support this
(Monday 22 April 2024; 13:06)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,253)
by Alexis Carrington-Colby from United States
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This is such an ugly statement dropping in misogynoir. Mariah wouldn’t support this
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,252)
by Lee from USA
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Tell me about it. Mary has virtually no fans outside of the USA. She only wins accolades out of pity whereas Mariah is selling out concerts. Our girl has met 3 US presidents and gets worshipped by other celebrities.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 11:21)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,252)
by Lee from USA
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Tell me about it. Mary has virtually no fans outside of the USA. She only wins accolades out of pity whereas Mariah is selling out concerts. Our girl has met 3 US presidents and gets worshipped by other celebrities.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 11:21)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,251)
by Bobby A from United States
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Mary J. Blige got it before Mariah. What? Are you kidding me?
(Monday 22 April 2024; 11:03)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,251)
by Bobby A from United States
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Mary J. Blige got it before Mariah. What? Are you kidding me?
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,249)
by dicky kw from indonesia
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Mimi didn't make it.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 04:16)
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Mariah's moves (106,250)
by Lainsky from Philippines
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It was the first time I saw this video of her from one of her concert tours during the Butterfly era. She's so graceful and beautiful in her natural curls. I truly love this performance dancing sexily with class while showing off her great vocals. I believe she can still do these moves in her concerts and perform for her fans like she used to. The truth is, it is a bit painful to watch the video clips and uploaded videos of her current performances from TCOM. I don't mind her lipsyncing but what about performing something like this that surely will entertain the audience? Just saying. Don't get me wrong. I still love her and will always be a fan. But the paying people deserve more than what she's showcasing at the moment.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 05:16)
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (106,249)
by dicky kw from indonesia
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Mimi didn't make it.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 04:16)
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TEOM concerts (106,248)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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I think this generation has forgotten how brilliant Mariah was in her prime in the 90's, and the general public isn't that critical anymore against Mariah because she is not of a big interest in the general cultural canon, these days, except around Christmas. I think the people who genuinely gets upset because of all the lip synching, is the hardcore fans who have followed her for years. I am upset too, but still get very exited every time she actually does something live.
I'm still a fan and still very much interested in everything Mariah does, it gives me mostly joy to be lamb, as I guess is the case for most of the people on this board.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 01:13)
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TEOM concerts (106,239)
by Xavier mariohmix from Spain
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Ok. So if you see this video containing the whole concert from that perspective, you would think that there could be some lipping, but the rest would be mainly live. But if you see all the Mariah videos from the first concert uploaded 7/8 days ago on this channel, you truly can see the real thing happening, that is, she's lipping everything except for 5 specific moments throughout the entire concert. The recordings are so zoomed-in that it is so evident. Besides, sometimes she skips phrases, she starts miming two seconds later or she's just too lazy to pretend to be making an effort on the belting parts. As I said before, at least, we have new high-quality recordings of most of the songs.
To be honest, I became aware of the lipping thing (you know, the lipped parts of some songs) back in 2008. At that moment and after analyzing so many performances, I realized that she had been doing it from 1997 (the belted section of Honey at Top of the Pops, for example). It was a total and complete letdown, and I took my time to process it.
I'm a huge fan and I'll always be. I'll keep following her forever. For sure, she uses lipping for whatever reasons, some of them have been explained or theorized here and I can agree with them, but it is a fact. And right now it has come to a point where almost the whole thing is. Anyway, we love her.
(Sunday 21 April 2024; 01:39)
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Vegas video on YouTube (106,247)
by Steve from USA
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So, I stumbled onto a video of the entire show on YouTube. I'd seen some of the clips and was cringing a bit. Whatever was going on in those clips isn't anymore. It seems to me like it's 100% live, and she's changing notes where she needs to. Part of the reason I think that is the playback bits tend to not be so noticeable when you're actually at the concert, but pretty evident on these phone videos. I can't detect any back and forth at all - all the vocals are consistent. Perhaps some of the whistles are pre-recorded which would be sorta understandable. But I think that's pretty much it. Cheers lambs.
(Monday 22 April 2024; 00:21)
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