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Were I Mariah's manager (103,132) by Edward from USA

At least she can still say: "Hey, hey, hey" and "And you, and you, and you". Don't count her out.
(Thursday 3 August 2023; 19:28)


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Were I Mariah's manager (103,131) by TJ from Norway

Haha. I tough I was bad. I still live in the memory of 1990 to 1996. I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is an opera singer (professionally) and he said that he was not surprised that he was not surprised by the decrease of her voice during the years. She's not a soprano, but sings in that voice too much, and that female voices seems to get broken during the years if they don't take care of it. Thank God I got to experience the height of that incredible career. No one over, no one on the side.

(Thursday 3 August 2023; 15:59)


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Were I Mariah's manager (103,130) by Nick G from Germany

There's only one problem. Mariah can no longer sing live.
(Thursday 3 August 2023; 14:08)


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Albums (103,129) by MusicfanJ from Germany

Please not. I don't want a robot AI Mariah on an album. I still dream about a jazz album. I just listened to Aretha's "Bill Bailey won't you please come home". I would love songs like that for Mariah. Retro soul like "When I feel it" would be great as well. If I want Mariah at her best I can listen to her wonderful catalogue from the 90ies, no AI is needed. Of course that's just my opinion.

(Thursday 3 August 2023; 13:03)


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Were I Mariah's manager (103,128) by Andrew from the UK

1. I would organise a massive 2-night concert for December 2024 to celebrate "Merry Christmas 30". I would put it at the new Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London (where Beyonce just performed and Jay-Z is now rumoured to want to buy) and livestream it around the world. 60,000 people for 2 nights is perfectly doable. Not just Christmas songs, but obviously featured. That would make headlines, especially if, as looks possibly, Jay-Z would own be the stadium's owner.

2. I would have a list of support acts longer than my arm so that the entertainment was 6 hours long. And they would be acts from Mariah’s career: Westlife, Busta Rhymes, etc. Finishing with Mariah for 2 hours in a massive professional production culminating in the biggest firework display this side of the Big Bang.

3. I would use these stadium concerts to lead to a Rarities 2 release and promo in January 2025 the imagery from which I would use to promote Mariah headlining the Glastonbury Festival Legends Sunday in June 2025 (that Elton John smashed this year).

4. This would be a precursor to a 2-Year Global Farewell Tour which would begin on October 03 2025 to celebrate Daydream 30 and finish September 10 2027 with the final concert in Madison Square Garden to commemorate Butterfly 30.

5. The tour would cover each continent and take in main arenas but have smaller outdoor concerts in famous worldwide locations: Place de la Concorde, the Colloseum, the Parthenon, Cristo Redemptor, Machu Pichu, the Griffith Observator - possibilities are extraordinary - and what a famous farewell tour it would be.
(Thursday 3 August 2023; 08:53)

Mariah's version (103,127) by Andrew from the UK

Since we are in confessions mode, let me stand up and confess: My name is Andy. I am a Mariah Carey fan. And... I like the Loverboy video. I know I should not, I really do know that. And I try to be a good boy and say no to watching it, but it's just so colourful and pretty. And hilarious. It's addictive and I just can't stop. I'm a mess. But maybe now that that is out, I can move on with my life, find some sort of normalcy and try to accept a world where the We Belong Together video is a thing that I'm supposed to like. Like girls. But not as fun to throw things at.
(Thursday 3 August 2023; 08:19)


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Albums (103,126) by whisperingmisunderstandings from USA

I have a feeling that if she does release another studio album in the future, she'll be using some sort of AI assistance. A lot of people have accused her of pitching up parts of her vocal climaxes post-breakdown, and we certainly know she's used auto-tune, both blatantly and subtly (as all pop singers do these days). I don't think it's a stretch to say that, once the technology has advanced enough, we'll probably be hearing Mimi-AI generated vocal climaxes mixed in with whatever authentic studio vocals she can muster. Then during concerts she'll just lip the climaxes as always.
(Thursday 3 August 2023; 00:27)


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Camp Mariah (103,125) by Brad from USA

Hey, I happened to be in Fishkill, NY yesterday and thought it's been a moment since Mariah has been seen there with campers. Wasn't sure how much she is still involved. Anyhow, yeah things "feel" different for Mariah right now, not the usual videos of her being on vacation with her kids/boyfriend or even teases of any projects or promos for any products, IE does Black Irish and Mariah's Cookies even still exist anymore? Not sure. Anyhow, seems she has been spending more time in NY/Westchester of late. Just hope she is doing well in her health and personal being, especially as it seems, maybe, professionally things aren't great.

(Wednesday 2 August 2023; 17:49)

Albums (103,124) by Tevin from USA

Thanks for the insight Bill.
(Wednesday 2 August 2023; 14:42)


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Albums (103,123) by Bobby A from United States

I believe MC received a pay out from Epic to dissolve that 3rd album or they counted RCA Inspiration Fall In Love At Christmas as credit for the 3rd album. Epic has dropped MC from their roster.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 23:09)


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Albums (103,122) by Bill from the UK

Well Mariah argued her way out of Sony's 10-album deal early. They said albums like Unplugged and #1's didn't count, but she countered as Unplugged charted in the albums chart, as #1's contained new material and new singles. Then they agreed to part with Greatest Hits being the 10th album. Same might be said for the Epic contract. Caution, #1 to Infinity and that All I Want for Christmas Is You compilation for the book were all released through Epic. That makes three of the same logic is applied. Time will tell.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 20:04)


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Charmbracelet tour (103,121) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia

I was lucky to attend her concert in Malaysia in 2004. Throughout the concert, she was wearing only one costume which was her pink Automatic Princess tank top and a blue pants. Her voice was in top shape especially during Without You and Hero. Too bad I can't find those performances on YouTube. It was reported in the national news the next day that the concert was attended by 40,000 people.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 17:16)


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Albums (103,120) by Tevin from USA

I believe someone on here mentioned that Mariah still has one or two more albums to fulfill with her current contract. I'm no lawyer, but if her voice isn't there to complete said tasks, what happens then? I wonder if she can release compilation type albums like MC Butterfly Lounge or Remixes 2 or Rarities 2. Also has Mariah done Twitter Spaces in a while?
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 17:08)

Caution (103,119) by Tevin from USA

This is why Mariah needs to release a Rarities 2. If she profit off of current vocals, why not profit on past vocals. Then the fans get what they want, and her legacy is highlighted even more. Mariah please release Rarities 2 and finish MC 30.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 17:06)


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Mariah's version (103,118) by Jamie from UK

Oh yeah defo Loverboy video for sure. But elements of Heartbreaker remix got me thinking too. The Loverboy video does make me laugh from time to time though because she clearly wasn't right at that time lol it's like they just let her go wild for the camera
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 16:18)


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Charmbracelet tour (103,117) by MusicfanJ from Germany

Yes, I saw her in Munich and she was flawless. Everything was on point. She was a fantastic performer, great show, stunning voice. Mariah's charisma was incredible, her look superstar/diva at her best. One of the best nights in my life. I will never forget. Charmbracelet tour is underrated, it was magical. She was so confident and sweet.

(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 14:04)


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Mariah's version (103,116) by Andrew from the UK

Fair. I remember thinking that the production quality of that video was great but the MTV Europe performance quite shambolic. It was the Loverboy video that had me thinking "WTAF?" But here a thing: I *do* remember wishing that Heartbreaker Remix was not a remix at all but had dropped the Heartbreaker theme and been a stand alone song called something else. I felt exactly the same about My All / Stay A While. They sound so standalone I wonder why they weren't individual songs and capitalised upon.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 13:09)


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Mariah's version (103,115) by Jamie from UK

Just from what she's wearing in that video, the bikini and hot pants, I remember thinking at the time what is she doing.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 10:24)


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Caution (103,114) by Andrew from the UK

I think it now wise for everyone to hope that Caution was Mariah's last album of new material. I am glad people are now more honest about the damage to Mariah's voice but I do not think nearly honest enough. To be blunt: Mariah Carey is a bad singer. There is little point of talking about "current voice" or opining on things Mariah can do to improve how she sounds: her voice is irreparably damaged to the point where she sings badly - if she can even sing at all.

I get no pleasure in saying shit like this, truly. It used to make me somewhat sad and that in turn led to anger. But I do recall many years ago blaming Mariah for the decay and I will stand by those words. Given that she has hardly sung a live note above Middle C in well over a decade, there is some wonder to be had at exactly what she has been doing. I can hazard many guesses and they would involve things that none of us should do if we want to not damage our voice. Save for deepthroating Donkey Kong, alcohol and smoking are just about the worst things you can do to your voice. And given Nick Cannon's ability to spread his seed into an array of vapid women, all three vices I would suggest may had their way with Mariah's throat.

And this is what really used to piss me off amongst a handful of other things: Mariah Carey ruined her own voice. She didn't take care of it. Neither did Whitney Houston. I would like to think that were I to have been blessed with pipes like that I would have done everything to protect them. But like modern youth vilifying people long since dead for behaviour once considered the norm but now understood to be wrong, it is very easy to make judgement on behaviour when you do not appreciate or even understand the context. Were we to have lived another's life, would we have behaved the same or would we have applied our superior attitude or morality and succeeded where they failed? It is very easy to cling on to virtues when your back is not against the wall.

Whether Mariah's personality shift and the negative behaviours that ensued are a direct cause of her losing the ability to sing, or the other way around - or whether the issues were hardware or software - I can say that I have made my peace with the fact that she probably ought to have done a lot more to look after her voice and it is time to stop singing and promote a legacy.

I do feel extremely, extremely sorry for Celine Dion who famously looked after her throat, knowing full well that she had been handed the winning ticket, only to now face losing it in, what can only be described as cruel clutch of circumstance. Marcus Aurelius wrote that we should receive things without pride and let go of them without attachment. How very hard that is with the things you love most in the world, eh?

The albums must end with Caution. There is no good to be gained from any further exposure of the decay. Absolutely none at all.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch: totally loving revisiting the Dreamlover original. Still can't find a live version of her singing the ending like the record, so if anyone knows of one I'll loving you long time.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 04:28)

Charmbracelet tour (103,113) by Special K from USA

I saw Mimi in Concord, Ca. Her voice was flawless.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 04:18)


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Bliss (103,112) by Special K from USA

"Don't laugh. Bliss is on my sex playlist." Wow Randy we could of made some pretty babies to that song.

(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 04:11)


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Mariah's version (103,111) by Andrew from the UK

This is interesting. I wonder why you believe that since Heartbreaker Remix specifically Mariah's personality has been different? To pinpoint that specific moment in time would not, I think, have occurred to me. I did always think it looked like she had just had new veneers put in: her mouth is held closed a lot and when it's open her facial structure looks very different.
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 03:40)


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Mariah's version (103,110) by Edward from USA

Did you just have an epiphany? Of course most of us guys here at MCArchives are not gay. The fact that 99 percent of her male fans love rainbow t-shirts, butterfly hair ornaments and some use MC perfume is pure coincidence. To avoid stereotypes I just use pink three times a week, but keep my MC nail polish collection hidden.
(Monday 31 July 2023; 14:55)


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Mariah's version (103,109) by Nick G from Germany

What, not everyone here is gay??? I'm shocked. That's a scandal.

(Monday 31 July 2023; 11:09)


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Mariah's version (103,108) by Edward from USA

Pretty soon we'll be called transphobic, it's the new trend.
(Monday 31 July 2023; 01:32)


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