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You messing with Daydream? (103,047) by Bill from the UK I never thought I'd see the day where Daydream gets slammed on this board. Wow. It's honestly perfect from start to finish. (Friday 21 July 2023; 13:27) this is a reply to message 103,043

You messing with Daydream? (103,043) by Stacey from USA It's a good thing we aren't face to face, lol. I'd have to take the necessary steps to defend Daydream. Randy, I know exactly the version you are talking about. That's my favorite version of Fantasy too. I absolutely love every song on that album. Looking In is my life's theme song. From the amazing bridge to I Am Free to the sultry layering of vocals on Melt Away, Daydream just oozes perfection. The album includes the emotion that maybe was missing on MB for some. Now back away slowly from Daydream and no one gets hurt. (Friday 21 July 2023; 05:12)

Time for lists lol (103,046) by Terna from Nigeria He's been banned multiple times over the years, and he keeps coming back. (Friday 21 July 2023; 12:58) this is a reply to message 103,028

Time for lists lol (103,028) by David from USA Webmaster: Can this guy get banned from the messageboard already? Literally every time I come on here - which is not that often anymore because of the negativity and hate being spewed - I see angry, abusive posts by this person. It's time to stop enabling him, it's time to ban him from the messageboard. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 03:10)

Emotionally stiff (103,045) by Steven Berning from USA Preach. Snaps. (Friday 21 July 2023; 07:48) this is a reply to message 103,042

Emotionally stiff (103,042) by Andrew from the UK I would like to associate myself with your sentiments somewhat. However, people are of course entitled to express opinion but lies must be challenged If I were, for example, to claim that Aqua's Barbie Girl is a direct copy of Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell - that is flatly denying obervable reality. Any suggestion that "It's their opinion and they're entitled to it" is rather problematic because it assumes that a lie can be justified under the umbrella of individulism and self-expression. In any case, it's just planily stupid - and it very much is, so I am declaring it - to say that everything else on Daydream is a copy of Fantasy and One Sweet Day. Now if someone wants to state such a thing and provide, then, evidence to support the hypothesis, that's an argument, that's good, that can be debated in an attempt to discover truth. I recall a few years ago asking to no response what people meant on this board by declaring "everything Mariah realsed since 2005 is a copy of We Belong Together." I asked, if they meant, the harmonies, the theme, the style, the phrasing, the melody, the... whatever. I still don't know. I can't hear We Belong Together in Touch My Body which was refreshingly different for Mariah. I can't hear it in Obsessed. Nor can anyone who isn't deaf of very hard of hearing or just stupid for stupid's sake hear Fanasy or One Sweet Day in Looking In. The claim is false, there is nothing to support it as it stands and any attempt to dress it up as an opinion is at best unhelpful and at worst just stupid. Lies ust be challenged. Flatly denying observable reality is lying. Now somebody may not like the rest of the album, and that's fine. I would support them in shouting it from the rooftops, were they so inclined. But some eivdence to support my rather excellent argument: it's a positively stupid claim given that, as I understand it to have been, Underneath The Stars was the first song written and recorded for Daydream. So unless Tommy Mottola had a time machine (which I am namng the Time-y Mottola), as Judy Sheindlin put it: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining." Peace out. (Friday 21 July 2023; 01:35)

No controversial song or video (103,044) by Stacey from USA Jason Aldean's song is not controversial. SMH. Go read Cardi B WAP lyrics and watch her lovely video then compare that to Aldean. The only controversy is the one the media is creating. Next. (Friday 21 July 2023; 05:16) this is a reply to message 103,040

No controversial song or video (103,040) by Bobby A from United States MC is one of few artists who has never had a controversial song or video. The Obsessed video and song probably would come close to being controversial because she didn't know how Eninem would react to her comedic portrayal of him in the video and the shade lyrics about him. However, she has had many single releases that received a negative promotional plan or very low radio airplay. Can't Take That Away and H.A.T.E.U are on the top of the list for this category. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 21:25)

You messing with Daydream? (103,043) by Stacey from USA It's a good thing we aren't face to face, lol. I'd have to take the necessary steps to defend Daydream. Randy, I know exactly the version you are talking about. That's my favorite version of Fantasy too. I absolutely love every song on that album. Looking In is my life's theme song. From the amazing bridge to I Am Free to the sultry layering of vocals on Melt Away, Daydream just oozes perfection. The album includes the emotion that maybe was missing on MB for some. Now back away slowly from Daydream and no one gets hurt. (Friday 21 July 2023; 05:12)

Emotionally stiff (103,042) by Andrew from the UK I would like to associate myself with your sentiments somewhat. However, people are of course entitled to express opinion but lies must be challenged If I were, for example, to claim that Aqua's Barbie Girl is a direct copy of Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell - that is flatly denying obervable reality. Any suggestion that "It's their opinion and they're entitled to it" is rather problematic because it assumes that a lie can be justified under the umbrella of individulism and self-expression. In any case, it's just planily stupid - and it very much is, so I am declaring it - to say that everything else on Daydream is a copy of Fantasy and One Sweet Day. Now if someone wants to state such a thing and provide, then, evidence to support the hypothesis, that's an argument, that's good, that can be debated in an attempt to discover truth. I recall a few years ago asking to no response what people meant on this board by declaring "everything Mariah realsed since 2005 is a copy of We Belong Together." I asked, if they meant, the harmonies, the theme, the style, the phrasing, the melody, the... whatever. I still don't know. I can't hear We Belong Together in Touch My Body which was refreshingly different for Mariah. I can't hear it in Obsessed. Nor can anyone who isn't deaf of very hard of hearing or just stupid for stupid's sake hear Fanasy or One Sweet Day in Looking In. The claim is false, there is nothing to support it as it stands and any attempt to dress it up as an opinion is at best unhelpful and at worst just stupid. Lies ust be challenged. Flatly denying observable reality is lying. Now somebody may not like the rest of the album, and that's fine. I would support them in shouting it from the rooftops, were they so inclined. But some eivdence to support my rather excellent argument: it's a positively stupid claim given that, as I understand it to have been, Underneath The Stars was the first song written and recorded for Daydream. So unless Tommy Mottola had a time machine (which I am namng the Time-y Mottola), as Judy Sheindlin put it: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining." Peace out. (Friday 21 July 2023; 01:35) this is a reply to message 103,041

Emotionally stiff (103,041) by Lady B from USA You're entitled to your opinion and people are entitled to their opinions, and their opinions on your opinions. You're free to critique, and be critiqued. Now that we have that settled. (Thursday 20 July 2023; 22:45)

Emotionally stiff (103,041) by Lady B from USA You're entitled to your opinion and people are entitled to their opinions, and their opinions on your opinions. You're free to critique, and be critiqued. Now that we have that settled. (Thursday 20 July 2023; 22:45) this is a reply to message 103,035

Emotionally stiff (103,035) by Andrew from the UK We interrupt this crazy with news just in: criticizing a music artist is absolutely okay. Anybody on Earth wanting praise and adoration must accept that there will be critiques and criticisms along with it. Anybody who asks "Do you like the ensemble?" many times over must be prepared for the answer to be no and reasons given. If it made Mariah "happy" to take her clothes off I salute that. We all need to be happy and it's not easy to achieve. But her fans and followers were not looking for the nakedness and girly attitude from her. By Rainbow she was doing interviews in skimpy bikinis, bouncing around in videos with her bra-less breasts knocking left to right and on stage crowning herself the winner of her own beauty pageant every night on tour. People didn't want that from her, I would offer, so they starting turning away. She had the right to do so just as they had the right to. It's okay. I am just making observations which I am absolutely 100% qualified to do. Just as I am absolutely 100% sure that the any claim made to the extent that the other tracks on Daydream are copies of, or attempting to emulate, "Fantasy" and "One Sweet Day" are, well, absolutely absurd and total tosh. And I know you're going to get a lot of opposition to spouting such spurious nonsense. Daydream means a hell of a lot to almost everybody here. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 18:09)

No controversial song or video (103,040) by Bobby A from United States MC is one of few artists who has never had a controversial song or video. The Obsessed video and song probably would come close to being controversial because she didn't know how Eninem would react to her comedic portrayal of him in the video and the shade lyrics about him. However, she has had many single releases that received a negative promotional plan or very low radio airplay. Can't Take That Away and H.A.T.E.U are on the top of the list for this category. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 21:25)

Emotionally stiff (103,039) by Zachariah from Croatia I stand behind my words - Butterfly era and everything after is my Mariah era. Everything before - I am bored with it. Hugs. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 20:52) this is a reply to message 103,037

Emotionally stiff (103,037) by Edward from USA "Daydream was only huge because of Fantasy remix with O.D.B. and One Sweet Day. The rest of the album is just copycat of those two singles." Uh... No. While the O.D.B remix was more popular, I've always preferred her solo version. There are better songs on Daydream than "Fantasy" and "One Sweet Day", way better. I won't tell you "copycat my ass" because that would be inappropriate to say on this board, but "Underneath the Stars" is far better than OSD, just to name one. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 19:07)

Fantasy (103,038) by Randy from USA Ed and Zach y'all are both wrong. There is a version on the maxi single that has the ODB version with the pop chorus on it. It is the best version. And this whole thing about being dressed and unhappy vs. scantily clad and jubilant. I would be fine with MC wearing pasties, clear plastic platform stilettos and a G-string if she was replicating her new music vocals live on stage without cut and paste playback and a wall of background singers. I don't care about the image. I care about the undeniable talent being present at all times. Even on live TV. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 19:34) this is a reply to message 103,037

Emotionally stiff (103,037) by Edward from USA "Daydream was only huge because of Fantasy remix with O.D.B. and One Sweet Day. The rest of the album is just copycat of those two singles." Uh... No. While the O.D.B remix was more popular, I've always preferred her solo version. There are better songs on Daydream than "Fantasy" and "One Sweet Day", way better. I won't tell you "copycat my ass" because that would be inappropriate to say on this board, but "Underneath the Stars" is far better than OSD, just to name one. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 19:07)

Emotionally stiff (103,037) by Edward from USA "Daydream was only huge because of Fantasy remix with O.D.B. and One Sweet Day. The rest of the album is just copycat of those two singles." Uh... No. While the O.D.B remix was more popular, I've always preferred her solo version. There are better songs on Daydream than "Fantasy" and "One Sweet Day", way better. I won't tell you "copycat my ass" because that would be inappropriate to say on this board, but "Underneath the Stars" is far better than OSD, just to name one. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 19:07) this is a reply to message 103,032

Emotionally stiff (103,032) by Zachariah from Croatia I would not agree that she, in 1997, took her clothes of and never put it back on because her voice was "overheating". That sounds a bit harsh and offensive towards her right as woman to dress as she pleases. Especially now in 2023. I would rather see her happy (as in Honey video in racy clothes) then covered up to her neck, looking miserable. I am a lamb since 1990 but I prefer her work from Butterfly era until now. Daydream was only huge because of Fantasy remix with O.D.B. and One Sweet Day. The rest of the album is just copycat of those two singles. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 14:08)

Time for lists lol (103,036) by Edward from USA Don't cry for him Argentina. Andrew ain't going anywhere. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 18:17) this is a reply to message 103,028

Time for lists lol (103,028) by David from USA Webmaster: Can this guy get banned from the messageboard already? Literally every time I come on here - which is not that often anymore because of the negativity and hate being spewed - I see angry, abusive posts by this person. It's time to stop enabling him, it's time to ban him from the messageboard. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 03:10)

Emotionally stiff (103,035) by Andrew from the UK We interrupt this crazy with news just in: criticizing a music artist is absolutely okay. Anybody on Earth wanting praise and adoration must accept that there will be critiques and criticisms along with it. Anybody who asks "Do you like the ensemble?" many times over must be prepared for the answer to be no and reasons given. If it made Mariah "happy" to take her clothes off I salute that. We all need to be happy and it's not easy to achieve. But her fans and followers were not looking for the nakedness and girly attitude from her. By Rainbow she was doing interviews in skimpy bikinis, bouncing around in videos with her bra-less breasts knocking left to right and on stage crowning herself the winner of her own beauty pageant every night on tour. People didn't want that from her, I would offer, so they starting turning away. She had the right to do so just as they had the right to. It's okay. I am just making observations which I am absolutely 100% qualified to do. Just as I am absolutely 100% sure that the any claim made to the extent that the other tracks on Daydream are copies of, or attempting to emulate, "Fantasy" and "One Sweet Day" are, well, absolutely absurd and total tosh. And I know you're going to get a lot of opposition to spouting such spurious nonsense. Daydream means a hell of a lot to almost everybody here. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 18:09) this is a reply to message 103,032

Emotionally stiff (103,032) by Zachariah from Croatia I would not agree that she, in 1997, took her clothes of and never put it back on because her voice was "overheating". That sounds a bit harsh and offensive towards her right as woman to dress as she pleases. Especially now in 2023. I would rather see her happy (as in Honey video in racy clothes) then covered up to her neck, looking miserable. I am a lamb since 1990 but I prefer her work from Butterfly era until now. Daydream was only huge because of Fantasy remix with O.D.B. and One Sweet Day. The rest of the album is just copycat of those two singles. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 14:08)

Time for lists lol (103,034) by Randy from USA David. I laughed out loud at Andrew because his love language is sarcasm and British snarkiness. The world would be full of toxic positivity without him. You ever watch the Matrix. What is that architect's purpose? To balance the equation. What is Andrew's purpose? To unbalance it. And you guys, how did I forget Right To Dream, Anytime You Need a Friend. Can I redo my list? If anyone should be banned it should be me. I constantly bring up 1997, smoke and mirrors and Right To Dream being the best song ever written and recorded by any artist living, dead, or on Mars. I love everyone. Because right now we need it. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 14:21) this is a reply to message 103,028

Time for lists lol (103,028) by David from USA Webmaster: Can this guy get banned from the messageboard already? Literally every time I come on here - which is not that often anymore because of the negativity and hate being spewed - I see angry, abusive posts by this person. It's time to stop enabling him, it's time to ban him from the messageboard. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 03:10)

Time for lists lol (103,033) by Bobby A from United States I think that David was offended by your GTFO lyric, "Why don't you get the." Interpretation is vague and difficult to know what you were trying to say to Randy. I am sure Randy understood. Be nice to me Andrew. Lol. You and I go way back and our board relationship was very contentious from 2013-2020. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 14:16) this is a reply to message 103,030

Time for lists lol (103,030) by Andrew from the UK David: Randy is my friend outside of this board. He will understand the humour as will others, like Eddie, for example. I am sorry you do not. Alas, you do remind me that one can't say boo to a goose 'round here for fear that someone so precious starts screaming "hate" and why I did not miss it. Talking of being an unreliable witnesss: I have not posted on this board in two years. Two years. If every two years is how often you visit the board, you have quite some entitlement to demand how it is run. In the interest of harmony, I offer you my sincerest of apologies for having triggered you. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 11:23)

Emotionally stiff (103,032) by Zachariah from Croatia I would not agree that she, in 1997, took her clothes of and never put it back on because her voice was "overheating". That sounds a bit harsh and offensive towards her right as woman to dress as she pleases. Especially now in 2023. I would rather see her happy (as in Honey video in racy clothes) then covered up to her neck, looking miserable. I am a lamb since 1990 but I prefer her work from Butterfly era until now. Daydream was only huge because of Fantasy remix with O.D.B. and One Sweet Day. The rest of the album is just copycat of those two singles. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 14:08) this is a reply to message 103,022

Emotionally stiff (103,022) by Andrew from the UK I believe Music Box was savaged by critics because they just didn't like Mariah: young girl marries the much older, much less attractive, boss of the record company. For love? There's no way to know other than to go off Mariah's representations but given that she is a very unreliable witness/narrator, to say the least, it's dubious. It seemed, to many, like a shrewd calculated move by a conceited climber, so to speak. And the critics went off her. She responded with Daydream and she sat at the Grammy's next to Tommy Mottola looking like a spare at a wedding. What was going through her mind on that night, I wonder? Whatever was going through her mind when she married Tommy, whether for her career or for love, it was a gobsmackingly stupid thing to do for a whole host of reasons that I don't just see in hindsight - I saw them back then as I am sure many here did. But Music Box is a masterpiece of power balladry and bubblegum pop and should stop being disparaged by everyone just because they think it's cool to do so. Admittedly, there is infinitely more nuance to the vocal performance on Daydream, but, c'mon, you aren't really going to claim that Mariah would not have sung Daydream just like Music Box had the pipes not started, er, overheating - which I think must have been the reason Mariah took her clothes off in 1997 and not put them back on since: to cool down. It just made matters even worse, because critics and many fans alike never really forgave the sudden emergence of Long Island Barbie. It's frustrating to think of what could have been had she made different choices. I don't think Mariah as naive as people make out she was. She took several gambles and they backfired. So yes, Music Box was pop-crafted power schmaltz balladry but Whitney did exactly the same and critics loved her. (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 13:58)

Time for lists lol (103,031) by Chicago Lamb from USA Some of us like Andrew, I don't think he should be banned. Take this as an exercise to turn the cheek. We need more of that in this world today. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 13:11) this is a reply to message 103,028

Time for lists lol (103,028) by David from USA Webmaster: Can this guy get banned from the messageboard already? Literally every time I come on here - which is not that often anymore because of the negativity and hate being spewed - I see angry, abusive posts by this person. It's time to stop enabling him, it's time to ban him from the messageboard. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 03:10)

Time for lists lol (103,030) by Andrew from the UK David: Randy is my friend outside of this board. He will understand the humour as will others, like Eddie, for example. I am sorry you do not. Alas, you do remind me that one can't say boo to a goose 'round here for fear that someone so precious starts screaming "hate" and why I did not miss it. Talking of being an unreliable witnesss: I have not posted on this board in two years. Two years. If every two years is how often you visit the board, you have quite some entitlement to demand how it is run. In the interest of harmony, I offer you my sincerest of apologies for having triggered you. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 11:23) this is a reply to message 103,028

Time for lists lol (103,028) by David from USA Webmaster: Can this guy get banned from the messageboard already? Literally every time I come on here - which is not that often anymore because of the negativity and hate being spewed - I see angry, abusive posts by this person. It's time to stop enabling him, it's time to ban him from the messageboard. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 03:10)

Time for lists lol (103,029) by Bobby A from United States 10. Right To Dream 9. Bye Bye 8. Thirsty 7. GTFO 6. Obsessed 5. Stay In Love 4. Fly Like A Bird 3. Save The Day 2. Don't Stop (Funkin 4 Jamica) 1. H.A.T.E.U. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 03:20) this is a reply to message 103,023

Time for lists lol (103,023) by Randy from USA So since there's no news right now, let's do our favorite MC singles (releases, sent to radio or video made) that didn't go to number 1. 10. GTFO 9. Never Too Far 8. Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme) 7. Loverboy 6. Never Forget You/Without You 5. Breakdown 4. Bye Bye 3. Can't Let Go 2. Through The Rain 1. Butterfly (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 20:35)

Time for lists lol (103,028) by David from USA Webmaster: Can this guy get banned from the messageboard already? Literally every time I come on here - which is not that often anymore because of the negativity and hate being spewed - I see angry, abusive posts by this person. It's time to stop enabling him, it's time to ban him from the messageboard. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 03:10) this is a reply to message 103,026

Time for lists lol (103,026) by Andrew from the UK Oh, I'm sorry, Randy. I didn't know it's always the "news" for which you're looking out for inspiration. The 1997 voice change and the choir on Through The Rain in the news often, then, are they? I've got a list - and you're on it. Why don't you, get the. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 00:13)

The list to end all your listing (103,027) by Andrew from the UK Rather than random songs (and in defence of Mariah 90s power ballads) I'm going to go with the best (simple short) lines from the best ballads - especially and specifically because of the melody and how they're delivered. Essentially: the bit in the song I look forward to when listening to, and singing, it. 10. Free enough to fly... / Oh once I was so all alone 9. Close to me, oh I need you close to me, holding me close to you, how can I get close to you? 8. If you were my own to caress and hold / I would shower you with love and drown within your soul 7. And you have opened my heart and lifted me inside / By showing me yourself undisguised 6. Precious love burning so deeply shining completely for you 5. Guardian angel I sail away on an ocean with you by my side 4. Blind and unguided into a world divided and you're thrown where you're never quite the same 3. And love will be there, yeah to light the way, yeah 2. If a you should ever find someone new / I know he better be good to you, you, you 1. In... every single one of you... oh yes, it does, oh yes, it does, I know it does an ero lies in you (live version) (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 00:41)

Time for lists lol (103,026) by Andrew from the UK Oh, I'm sorry, Randy. I didn't know it's always the "news" for which you're looking out for inspiration. The 1997 voice change and the choir on Through The Rain in the news often, then, are they? I've got a list - and you're on it. Why don't you, get the. (Wednesday 19 July 2023; 00:13) this is a reply to message 103,023

Time for lists lol (103,023) by Randy from USA So since there's no news right now, let's do our favorite MC singles (releases, sent to radio or video made) that didn't go to number 1. 10. GTFO 9. Never Too Far 8. Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme) 7. Loverboy 6. Never Forget You/Without You 5. Breakdown 4. Bye Bye 3. Can't Let Go 2. Through The Rain 1. Butterfly (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 20:35)

Time for lists lol (103,025) by Jamie from UK From UK to USA perspective too. 10. Cry Baby 9. I Stay In Love 8. Breakdown 7. Underneath The Stars 6. Butterfly 5. The Roof 4. Never Forget You 3. Make It Happen 2. Anytime You Need A Friend 1. Can't Let Go (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 22:43) this is a reply to message 103,023

Time for lists lol (103,023) by Randy from USA So since there's no news right now, let's do our favorite MC singles (releases, sent to radio or video made) that didn't go to number 1. 10. GTFO 9. Never Too Far 8. Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme) 7. Loverboy 6. Never Forget You/Without You 5. Breakdown 4. Bye Bye 3. Can't Let Go 2. Through The Rain 1. Butterfly (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 20:35)

Time for lists lol (103,024) by Bill from the UK Randy you know the word "list" summons me from my 90s bubble. This is from a US perspective seeing as she's only had 3 #1's in the UK. 10. Never Too Far 9. Loverboy 8. I Know What You Want 7. I Want to Know What Love Is 6. Butterfly 5. Make It Happen 4. Can't Let Go 3. Breakdown 2. Anytime You Need a Friend 1. Without You (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 21:43) this is a reply to message 103,023

Time for lists lol (103,023) by Randy from USA So since there's no news right now, let's do our favorite MC singles (releases, sent to radio or video made) that didn't go to number 1. 10. GTFO 9. Never Too Far 8. Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme) 7. Loverboy 6. Never Forget You/Without You 5. Breakdown 4. Bye Bye 3. Can't Let Go 2. Through The Rain 1. Butterfly (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 20:35)

Time for lists lol (103,023) by Randy from USA So since there's no news right now, let's do our favorite MC singles (releases, sent to radio or video made) that didn't go to number 1. 10. GTFO 9. Never Too Far 8. Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme) 7. Loverboy 6. Never Forget You/Without You 5. Breakdown 4. Bye Bye 3. Can't Let Go 2. Through The Rain 1. Butterfly (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 20:35)

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