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So what (101,863) by Johnny from Ireland

Guys, get a grip, she's alive and well, clearly. The voice might not be there but she's out and about. I hope to God she's not reading these messages. Who needs fans when she has so many critics? Be thankful for the legacy if nothing else.
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 02:02)

O Holy Night crosses 100m on YT (101,862) by jaker20 from US

Another classic in the bag from the best selling artist of all time, Miss Mariah Carey.

(Saturday 17 December 2022; 01:05)

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,861) by Geronimo from USA

We can all see Mariah Carey is not in a good place. I'd greatly appreciate a thoughtful explanation of the intended function of serializing goats' and lambs' riveting forensic takes on the tragic "farce" of it all ad nauseam when no one knows enough to shed light on what is actually happening with Mariah Carey.
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 00:29)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,860) by Tevin from USA

I agree Jamie. Notice how she hasn't posted any clips of her performance on social media. Usually she post quite a bit of stuff.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 22:07)


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Why is everyone surprised? (101,859) by Bobby A from United States

Wait a minute, Randy. Are you saying that the 2006 Grammys performance of WBT/FLAB was a combination of lip synching and live singing? I have always thought that the performance was totally live. We have been bamboozled for a very long time now if that is the case.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 19:40)


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Why is everyone surprised? (101,858) by MusicfanJ from Germany

Yes. I had to stop watching the clip. Too painful to watch. It looks like Mariah wants to sing and "deliver" but she just can't. And she knows it. Whatever the reasons are, it's so sad. She really seems struggling. Someone should take care of her as a human being not just manage the star.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 18:36)


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Why is everyone surprised? (101,857) by MC1989 from Spain

Hi, first I want to say that I usually agree with your thoughts and I respect your point of view. But I don't agree with the part of "Mariah always sound this bad". I've been a huge fan since the late 90's and I saw her in concert too, and although she's been using smoke and mirrors for decades now to camouflage her vocal deterioration, she's capable of singing live very good. I think she still has a good voice, but it' s a very fragile instrument. Until this year. She never sounded as bad as in this MSG performance. She was clearly sick and that's not an excuse. There are a few videos from different angles where you can see she doesn't even remembers that the track comes in, like in the Emotions intro - which by the way is very mediocre considering it's prerecorded. Some concert goers said people booed before the concert started because she was more than an hour and 40 minutes late. That is unacceptable.

I've never seen her singing out of tune through the whole, and I mean the whole song. She could barely hit a note. All of the videos from this concert are embarrassingly sad. They remind me of Amy and Whitney's last performances. Again, I hope she will recover, maybe she got the flu or whatever, but at this point I think she really needs to stop performing and consider vocal surgery and vocal therapy. I can't excuse this.

But from the clips I saw of her cover of "Christmas Wrapping", she will probably do a pop-rock album. I like the idea but not the girlie sexy kinda pop rock at 53. I think she's going to put out the Someone's Ugly Daughter project with her new vocals, and that would be a mistake I think. It would be better to put out the original album, with the 1995 vocals. She can promote it if she wants to, with some interviews, but really stop performing. Adele and many others had to stop singing for more than a year and have had vocal surgery. But Mariah is older now, and I think she will play the game of pretending to be a great vocalist without addressing any problem, always smiling and looking like an ageless doll, portrait of her life.

Many of us all we want is to know what happened as you said, we want her to stop the live venues before it's too late. Before another bad moment goes viral and ruins her reputation which is not exactly good. The general press is always attacking her and they rarely talk about her triumphs, her recent awards etc. She certainly regained some confident and got back some love from the general public. She gave as a great album in 2018 and a great collection of rarities which proved her legendary status. When she addressed her bipolar disorder many empathized with her struggle and same happened after her memoir. And the celebrations for her 30 years in music and AIWFCIY becoming number one these last years seemed like the general public loved her back again. But many people haven't forgotten about Rockefeller, Mariah's World and the NYE disaster, and too many people perceive her as a diva in the bad sense of the word. If she was honest about her vocal problems it would make her more relatable. Look at Celine, and she never sang this bad.

She can retire happy because she gave us more than 3 decades of amazing music and she inspired generations. But at this point, I wish she would retire from singing. Write another memoir, write songs or a book of poems like Lana Del Rey. I want her to be involved with music and arts in general because she is super talented, but there's no need to disappoint concert goers or to struggle while singing if she can't sing her classics anymore. No need to be all over the media again for a bad reason. Retire with dignity, like Kate Bush, Tina Turner and many others. She will always be our favorite, but not if she continues downhill like this.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 17:10)


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Why is everyone surprised? (101,856) by Jamie from UK

I think even Mariah looked disappointed in this clip.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 16:57)


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Why is everyone surprised? (101,855) by Edward from USA

I was in the audience when she recorded her session of the BET Network Special in which she sung "With You I'm Born Again" with John Legend. I had to stand in line for 3 hours, but it was worth the wait because she was simply great. She just needs to deal with the problem and she'll be fine. She needs real lambs and real friends to tell her she's just further damaging her voice. The cat has been out the bag for years now, she should've been doing something about it. She knew she would be defrosted for these few shows, she should've been better prepared. Lose the weight and avoid the effing restricting corsets, get a vocal coach and get the voice in shape. She might sound good on a clip on Instagram, but the problem has always been about consistency with her.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 16:36)


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Why is everyone surprised? (101,854) by Bill from the UK

That's a fair point you raised at the end there. As it's been so long, is she supposed to say she's been fooling everybody for 25 years? I think we just value Mariah's voice, legacy and music more than she does. She clearly cares more about how she looks, the bank balance, and her endorsements over her voice, her music, and her legacy. It is incredibly sad, but perhaps she simply does not care about it as much as we do.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 15:45)


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Hero live MSG 2022 (101,853) by Anonymous from United States

In the late 1990s, she used to talk about how she liked singing "Hero" live because it was easy for her to sing and because she could mix things up. Watching that clip makes it clear that something is really wrong.

Has she rehearsed or prepared her voice at all? Part of me wishes she had not ended her Vegas residency, those shows were not perfect but having that obligation in place ensured that she had to put at least some effort into preparing. I get that the pandemic contributed some to this, but plenty of other artists started doing shows again much sooner than Mariah.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 15:15)


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Why is everyone surprised? (101,852) by Randy from USA

I'm definitely not here to gloat. I'm actually perplexed. I called voice deterioration in 1998/99 when I saw her on The View and Whitney Houston embarrassed her at the Oscar's. I called lip syncing in 1999 when every climax to Heartbreaker and Can't Take That Away was flawless yet she was a raspy struggle through the verses. But I was attacked for it and called not a real fan. The time I was attacked the most was when I called the 2006 Grammys a master cut and paste job. So to see all of this hoopla over these Christmas concerts baffles me. To me honestly, Mariah always sounds this bad. Pull up the Global Citizen concert from last summer. That Hero is almost identical to the MSG one a few days ago. That's why I wasn't spending $400 to see her. She got me once with the Charmbracelet tour. The other thing that you guys don't realize is that they are going to edit and dub the hell out of the Christmas show for CBS. What'll be interesting is how she'll respond when people start juxtaposing the live verses the televised. I take no joy in saying I'm right here and to be honest MC has surprised me too many times for me to say it's over for the voice. I said that in 99 and she shocked the hell out of me with Home for the Holidays in 2001. I said it again in 2012 and she shocked the hell out of me with the Jimmy Fallon's impromptu. I said it again in 2016 and she shocked the hell out of me with Stay the Night on Twitter. All I've wanted since 1997 on Oprah was for her to tell us what the hell happened. But like Stacey reminded me ... what the hell is she supposed to say?
(Friday 16 December 2022; 13:22)

Hero live MSG 2022 (101,851) by Jamie from UK

I'm the same Bill, very sad. I feel no vocal coaching is gonna fix this. How can this happen?
(Friday 16 December 2022; 12:07)


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Supreme songbird (101,850) by Bill from the UK

Just when I thought nothing could be worse than that dreadful remake of this song she did last year.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 11:53)


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Hero live MSG 2022 (101,849) by Bill from the UK

I wish you hadn't shared that. I just burst into tears. This is heartbreaking. Something is really, really wrong. What on earth has happened?
(Friday 16 December 2022; 11:51)


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Hero live MSG 2022 (101,848) by Sasha from Nomansland

This is really disturbing.

(Friday 16 December 2022; 11:23)


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Hero live MSG 2022 (101,847) by Bobby A from United States

The critics are going to rip the CBS show to threads on the 21st. Who knows, maybe the same editor who saved The Adventures of Mimi DVD can make the CBS show watchable. I just don't know. I am really worried about MC's career right now. Who would have thought in 1990 that our beloved Mariah Carey would totally lose her voice?
(Friday 16 December 2022; 10:41)


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Supreme songbird (101,846) by MC1989 from Spain

Well, I don't know that Joseph Khan, but if I agree with him. "No one like Mariah", no one could go and do Christmas Baby Please Come Home like this and make you feel like her vocal chords are bleeding. These people don't really love her. Someone who loves her would tell her to go to a doctor as soon as possible. I'm afraid Mariah is going to need a lot of cortisone for her last MSG show.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 09:26)


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Hero live MSG 2022 (101,845) by MC1989 from Spain

So this may be her worst performance of her career. It's supposed to be aired on TV in a week. It doesn't matter how they end up editing it, people were there and the videos are all over the Internet.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 08:54)

Supreme songbird (101,844) by Edward from USA

MIAM has some great vocal moments. The whistles on Dedicated are some of her best, in my opinion. "The Art of Letting Go" is the last song I remember she sung in full voice, the climax is just great. Sadly four years later her range had reduced by almost halve on "Caution", and four years after there's almost nothing left. Even though I was quite impressed with her vocals on "The Roof Re-imagined".
(Friday 16 December 2022; 03:28)


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Supreme songbird (101,843) by Bobby A from United States

I just realized this today. The last time MC sung her butt off was on You're Mine (Eternal). The highs and lows on the song were executed very well. Wow. That was in 2014. It will be almost 10 years next year. I guess it is time to order me a FYE CD of the You're Mine remixes.
(Friday 16 December 2022; 00:26)


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Supreme songbird (101,842) by Terna from Nigeria

Thanks for this, I hope she see this and realizes she's not fooling anyone, we can see it and so can the general public. Honestly, at this point its probably only the surgery that can save and repair whatever damage she's got going on. I always said her vocal issues stem from way back to at least 1994. That first tour did something to her voice. And it's blaringly obvious by the "Daydream" era. Sure she still does sound good, but one can tell already she's lost a good chunk of her main voice, maybe a nodule or something else and ever since then it's been downhill vocally for Mariah. Like Celine Dion, Mariah Should come clean. Enough of the façade already. People want to see you win Mariah, but you've got to want to win yourself too. Get professional help. She's never really worked with a vocal coach and at this point a speech therapist (does she even know new tricks of the trade like singing straws, humming and vocal fry exercises, warm ups for pre shows and cool downs for after shows? etc.) and that's why she's in this predicament today. Smh. I feel so worried for her. Get help Mariah, quit being so damn stubborn and delusional.

(Thursday 15 December 2022; 21:24)


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What's going on (101,841) by Will from England

It is quite shocking how bad her voice has become over the last few weeks. Whatever has happened to it is a very recent thing, because even though the quarantine shows/performances were pre-recorded, they actually were quite decent and had strength, fluidity, range etc. unless they were edited to the hilt. Everyone was praising them to some extent. These recent performances, I just can't put my finger on what she's done to have such a drastic change, even her stage presence is way off. It's over the top, even for a Mariah Carey performance. Everything that she knew how to do (breath control, timing, key selection, phrasing) is all off and it's showing. Is it possible that she's had surgery on them already and it's not healed fully? The voice we have currently is not even a distant relative to the one that recorded Caution, and she considered the vocals on that to not be at their best, I doubt she would even be able to sing any song on that album, let alone her classic hits.
(Thursday 15 December 2022; 18:54)


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Mariah needs help (101,840) by TheWind from England

Mariah can barely sing a note live. She is talking through some songs, and is barely able to cope with the most basic of runs. Her whistle tones, whether live or prerecorded, do not sound in good shape either. They have lost their clarity, which is a worrying sign, because in years gone by, even on her worst day, she could hit a strong whistle note. Mariah knows what is wrong with her voice. She needs to act on it. We can sit here and type about advice, and suggestions about what to do, but she knows what is wrong. She must have a voice doctor and vocal coach. She needs to do what she is advised to do. Either that, or continue to live as she has been and not take money off of people to attend concerts that are so clearly not live.
(Thursday 15 December 2022; 12:27)

What's going on (101,839) by "MariahHater" from Hell

As far as I have observed, she records the sounds she does live from previous years and adds them to playback to make it more sounding as her current vocal state.

I stumbled upon early 2010s perfromances and I must say, I miss Mariah Carey. The Mariah Carey as a human artist. Not the money making machine we see now. I applaud her efforts to be present everywhere but it pains me to see mediocre performances. I totally understand if she is already impaired. Maybe she is still on the denial stage. We don't know for sure if she already consulted voice specialists and might advised her to enjoy whatever notes left on her chords before she retire at a certain point in time. We really don't know.

But I rather have her do stripped down sets, unplugged raw sessions even if she lowers the key 500 times just to cater to her current vocal state. I'd be willing to pay more to see her in a normal jeans than to see her on a total glammed bot. I really miss Mariah Carey, the human.
(Thursday 15 December 2022; 11:42)


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