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The real reason for no respect (102,310) by Bobby A from United States Why did it take some distasteful jabs at MC by Chaka to bring out some of the best topics on the board in 3 months? I have enjoyed reading everybody's comments this week. Deep down inside I truly believe MC has one more great album and tour left in her. (Wednesday 8 March 2023; 01:59) this is a reply to message 102,309

The real reason for no respect (102,309) by JC from USA Haha, cheers. Another one that goes on the board after a few splashes. I would say, despite the deterioration of her voice, her musicality is generally intact. For example, "You and I" for Stevie or her Patti tribute, raspy AF but she still delivered a unique take while being respectful of the original performance. I find some performances by Bey or Christina (love them both, especially the former) are overdone to be showy. When I look at runs for example, I judge based on the following criterion: precision (hits each note), pitch, and placement (meaning, does it actually fit musically and enhance the song). I do think she always wanted to be a singer but not a performer. Much more of a studio artist, where her creativity shines. Not just the songwriting but the overall production of the track/album. (Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:47)

The real reason for no respect (102,309) by JC from USA Haha, cheers. Another one that goes on the board after a few splashes. I would say, despite the deterioration of her voice, her musicality is generally intact. For example, "You and I" for Stevie or her Patti tribute, raspy AF but she still delivered a unique take while being respectful of the original performance. I find some performances by Bey or Christina (love them both, especially the former) are overdone to be showy. When I look at runs for example, I judge based on the following criterion: precision (hits each note), pitch, and placement (meaning, does it actually fit musically and enhance the song). I do think she always wanted to be a singer but not a performer. Much more of a studio artist, where her creativity shines. Not just the songwriting but the overall production of the track/album. (Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:47) this is a reply to message 102,308

The real reason for no respect (102,308) by Randy from USA I was drunk when I wrote that post. Forgive me. St. John the Divine, If It's Over at the Grammys, Emotions at MTV Unplugged, Home for the Holidays and Impromptu for Jimmy Fallon exists. And she sang her ass off. I would like to apologize to my MCA family. I think what's frustrating me is that the diva antics, getting her makeup done on stage and lighting comments, as well as the repeated phrase, most people don't realize I write all of my songs, was shoved down the public's throat and I know those talking points were to distract from her being coined one of the greatest singers of all time when her voice deteriorated hella fast without explanation. (Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:12)

The real reason for no respect (102,308) by Randy from USA I was drunk when I wrote that post. Forgive me. St. John the Divine, If It's Over at the Grammys, Emotions at MTV Unplugged, Home for the Holidays and Impromptu for Jimmy Fallon exists. And she sang her ass off. I would like to apologize to my MCA family. I think what's frustrating me is that the diva antics, getting her makeup done on stage and lighting comments, as well as the repeated phrase, most people don't realize I write all of my songs, was shoved down the public's throat and I know those talking points were to distract from her being coined one of the greatest singers of all time when her voice deteriorated hella fast without explanation. (Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:12) this is a reply to message 102,306

The real reason for no respect (102,306) by Tevin from USA I usually agree with you Randy, but public performances such as Can't Let Go, If It's Over Grammys and SNL, begs to differ. But other than that I do agree with what you said. (Tuesday 7 March 2023; 17:19)

The real reason for no respect (102,307) by Mirage_Nunez from America Okay. I'm happy you said it, because I was like whenever I ran across a Mariah performances especially early in her career, she literally sound better than the album. Not to shade anyone, but I actually use to even prefer Mariah's live singing to Whitney's back then, because when I'd run across a Whitney performance she'd be talk singing through her performances, dodging the huge notes (though skillfully), and just overly dragging the songs out, so honestly it just wasn't my cup of tea. Christina (love her too but) alot of times butcher her songs by oversinging ie doing the absolute most. Beyoncé is a great performer, but nothing seems organic just very rehearsed to perfection, which isn't necessarily bad, it's just the reason why when Mariah was at her best I was more moved by her live singing than the others. (Tuesday 7 March 2023; 23:43) this is a reply to message 102,294

The real reason for no respect (102,294) by Edward from USA Mariah was a natural born singer. Before she could even write anything, she was already correcting or emulating her mother, sometimes even leaving her speechless. She developed into a great lyricist, but she loved being showy like the rest of them when the opportunity presented itself. She was nervous during that performance you mentioned, but she was also very young and basically thrown into this gargantuan fame that could've swallowed anyone alive easily. Mariah was showy countless times on Arsenio Hall while singing Emotions, Vanishing, Vision of Love. She gave the best rendition of Vision of Love on Good Morning America, impeccable, surreal. About her nuances, well, that's what really put her in a league of her own, she wasn't just a singer that could blow, but a singer that could paint beautiful songs with her voice and artistry, what she sung came from her soul rather than somebody else's. I've always loved Whitney, her powerful vocals were unmatched, but Mariah's voice spoke to my soul and the souls of millions of people. When her instrument was in its prime, it was untouchable. I can't imagine Whitney, Chaka or Patti singing "Music Box", "Underneath The Stars", "Melt Away", "Fourth of July", no because they couldn't, but because their artistry wasn't at that level. When Mariah started losing her voice, she's started pushing her writing abilities to the front, it was evident she knew what was happening to her. It is sad, but in my humble opinion, the quality of her voice has always been directly proportional to the quality of her lyrics. When she was in her prime vocally, her lyrics were more poetic, balanced, beautiful, mature, but as the voice started deteriorating, her pen game also changed for the worse. (Monday 6 March 2023; 18:36)

The real reason for no respect (102,306) by Tevin from USA I usually agree with you Randy, but public performances such as Can't Let Go, If It's Over Grammys and SNL, begs to differ. But other than that I do agree with what you said. (Tuesday 7 March 2023; 17:19) this is a reply to message 102,291

The real reason for no respect (102,291) by Randy from USA If you listen to early producers on her album, Narada Michael Walden for example, MC was a perfectionist. She re recorded I Don't Wanna Cry one hundred times until it was perfect. The audience has never seen a showy performance the likes of Whitney, Patti or Christina. And y'all keep talking about the nuances of her voice but to be honest the public doesn't care. Look how nervous she was singing Vision of Love at the 91 Grammys. Fixing her dress constantly. A flat run on "love". She had an amazing voice but didn't know what to do with it. Live performances make you and the only time I've ever seen MC sing beyond what the record entailed was Tokyo Dome in 96. As a songwriter she was unmatched. A friend of mine recently said, she was probably better off as a songwriter producer and Tommy forced her to be a singing star. (Monday 6 March 2023; 00:11)

Brenda K Starr (102,305) by MusicfanJ from Germany So true. I always liked Brenda K Starr. She was always so nice in interviews, beautiful lady. Isn't she a New Yorker girl too? It was so sweet when she sung "I still believe" with Mariah. At least one person who's not jealous. (Tuesday 7 March 2023; 16:32) this is a reply to message 102,297

Brenda K Starr (102,297) by Jamie from UK I just watched a virtual interview with Brenda K Starr from 2021, it was great to see her be so lovely and complementary about Mariah. It was nice to see how much she does actually care about Mariah although they have fallen out at times. She has nothing but praise for Mariah and wishes her well in all she does. I think it must be hard when you have been that close to someone and they are propelled into super stardom, as the artist doesn't always have control over their life. (Monday 6 March 2023; 21:06)

The real reason for no respect (102,304) by MusicfanJ from Germany Oh no, Mariah only a singer or songwriter. No way. What a terrible thought. Mariah was born to sing with that talent. Her voice made so many people happy around the world and still does. (Tuesday 7 March 2023; 14:55) this is a reply to message 102,292

The real reason for no respect (102,292) by Stacey from USA I always enjoy your posts and agree with them 99% of the time. In this case I'm glad Tommy forced her to sing. Her voice is one of a kind and deserved to be heard. (Monday 6 March 2023; 04:47)

The real reason for no respect (102,303) by Steven Berning from USA But to be honest, we are so lucky to have you speak to us on behalf of "the public". Especially, the public that includes Christina. Thank you Lamb. (Tuesday 7 March 2023; 09:16) this is a reply to message 102,291

The real reason for no respect (102,291) by Randy from USA If you listen to early producers on her album, Narada Michael Walden for example, MC was a perfectionist. She re recorded I Don't Wanna Cry one hundred times until it was perfect. The audience has never seen a showy performance the likes of Whitney, Patti or Christina. And y'all keep talking about the nuances of her voice but to be honest the public doesn't care. Look how nervous she was singing Vision of Love at the 91 Grammys. Fixing her dress constantly. A flat run on "love". She had an amazing voice but didn't know what to do with it. Live performances make you and the only time I've ever seen MC sing beyond what the record entailed was Tokyo Dome in 96. As a songwriter she was unmatched. A friend of mine recently said, she was probably better off as a songwriter producer and Tommy forced her to be a singing star. (Monday 6 March 2023; 00:11)

Manifesting (102,302) by Edward from United States I honestly want Mariah to work with Pinkpantheress or Icespice or both at the same time. (Tuesday 7 March 2023; 07:48)

Die For You (102,301) by Nicole from US Have You Ever with Usher would have been a great follow up to TGIFY. Usher was hot that time too. (Tuesday 7 March 2023; 01:07) this is a reply to message 102,300

Die For You (102,300) by Norman from USA With this recent remix by The Weeknd feat Ariana debuting at #1 this, it got me thinking about a past single that never really got a shot but should have been a single (not necessarily talking about Migrate). Which song do you think would be a good idea to release as a remix, and with whom? I think the feature would really have to stand out for the song to at least be top 10. There's obviously a lot of material to choose from, but I can't say I have one that stands out - maybe Obsessed? Melt Away? #Beautiful? What do you guys think? (Monday 6 March 2023; 22:50)

Die For You (102,300) by Norman from USA With this recent remix by The Weeknd feat Ariana debuting at #1 this, it got me thinking about a past single that never really got a shot but should have been a single (not necessarily talking about Migrate). Which song do you think would be a good idea to release as a remix, and with whom? I think the feature would really have to stand out for the song to at least be top 10. There's obviously a lot of material to choose from, but I can't say I have one that stands out - maybe Obsessed? Melt Away? #Beautiful? What do you guys think? (Monday 6 March 2023; 22:50)

The real reason for no respect (102,299) by Bobby A from United States Just my opinion in what I am about to say. MC is probably headed for retirement within the next 2 years. Vocally, she can't support her career without a major tour and we know her voice is not there anymore. Mentally, I feel she has had enough of record label politics and the music industry in general. What I would say to MC today is announce your farewell album and one more time 16-show U.S. tour and an 8-show European and Asia tour for 2024. By the way, aren't artists obligated to release a certain number of albums during their contract period? MC must have fulfilled her obligations to Epic with Caution because she should have released a new album in 2022 if she signed a new contract. Seems to me that MC is without a major label first time in her career. (Monday 6 March 2023; 22:32) this is a reply to message 102,294

The real reason for no respect (102,294) by Edward from USA Mariah was a natural born singer. Before she could even write anything, she was already correcting or emulating her mother, sometimes even leaving her speechless. She developed into a great lyricist, but she loved being showy like the rest of them when the opportunity presented itself. She was nervous during that performance you mentioned, but she was also very young and basically thrown into this gargantuan fame that could've swallowed anyone alive easily. Mariah was showy countless times on Arsenio Hall while singing Emotions, Vanishing, Vision of Love. She gave the best rendition of Vision of Love on Good Morning America, impeccable, surreal. About her nuances, well, that's what really put her in a league of her own, she wasn't just a singer that could blow, but a singer that could paint beautiful songs with her voice and artistry, what she sung came from her soul rather than somebody else's. I've always loved Whitney, her powerful vocals were unmatched, but Mariah's voice spoke to my soul and the souls of millions of people. When her instrument was in its prime, it was untouchable. I can't imagine Whitney, Chaka or Patti singing "Music Box", "Underneath The Stars", "Melt Away", "Fourth of July", no because they couldn't, but because their artistry wasn't at that level. When Mariah started losing her voice, she's started pushing her writing abilities to the front, it was evident she knew what was happening to her. It is sad, but in my humble opinion, the quality of her voice has always been directly proportional to the quality of her lyrics. When she was in her prime vocally, her lyrics were more poetic, balanced, beautiful, mature, but as the voice started deteriorating, her pen game also changed for the worse. (Monday 6 March 2023; 18:36)

Off topic (102,298) by Joachim Agerup Lřkkevik from Norway I have been in a whirlwind the last few years. As Mariah, I also have bipolar decease, and I can assure you all, Mariah's fluctuation in weight is all because of the medication. Sometimes you need less medication, then the weight goes off, sometimes you need more medication, and the kilograms just comes piling on. You can't control it, because your appetite is just getting larger, it's a roller coaster you can't get off. Anyways, I have a masters degree in psychology, wanted a phd, but my struggles with bipolar decease hindered that, I had to take a break. All through my life Mariah's live performance of "Make It Happen" from Madison Square Garden made me want to push forward, it is by far the most important song in my life, and it is performed by the most important artist in my life, Mariah Carey. Three years ago, I had to start over, move back to my home town, make new friends, new connections, and attended a school for people who are not ready for more education or to start working. I have attended that school for almost three years now, and today was my last day. Tomorrow I will start as a therapist for people with mental disorders and drug abuse. Mariah, besides my mom and friends, has been very important to me in this process, and lately, another song, a live performance, has become the soundtrack to my life, my days, in the struggles and happiness I have experienced the last few weeks. This live performance has been on and off YouTube, it is "Can't Take That Away" from VH1 Divas Live 2000. I have the whole concert on VHS, but I don't have a VHS-player anymore. The concert, over 20 years old, on a VHS cassette, lies there as a treasure. Mariah has a few power performances, and this performance shows her emotion, craftmanship, excellence. Even though her voice was not at her peak, she outsings most of the music world. That song has become my new "Make It Happen", though I listen to both songs almost daily. Ok, take a listen, it's Mariah at her best, she's absolutely beautiful, I could listen to this on repeat all day, enjoy. PS: When the choir sings "there's" and "a light", at the last chorus, my tears come out, why didn't Mariah include that on the studio version, absolutly beautiful. (Monday 6 March 2023; 21:36)

Brenda K Starr (102,297) by Jamie from UK I just watched a virtual interview with Brenda K Starr from 2021, it was great to see her be so lovely and complementary about Mariah. It was nice to see how much she does actually care about Mariah although they have fallen out at times. She has nothing but praise for Mariah and wishes her well in all she does. I think it must be hard when you have been that close to someone and they are propelled into super stardom, as the artist doesn't always have control over their life. (Monday 6 March 2023; 21:06)

Viral song (102,296) by Edward from United States If I could pick a mc song that I want to go viral it would be Underneath The Stars. (Monday 6 March 2023; 20:49)

Vocal nodules (102,295) by Edward from United States Do you guys think Mariah should get her vocal nodules removed and do you think it would benefit her? (Monday 6 March 2023; 20:43)

The real reason for no respect (102,294) by Edward from USA Mariah was a natural born singer. Before she could even write anything, she was already correcting or emulating her mother, sometimes even leaving her speechless. She developed into a great lyricist, but she loved being showy like the rest of them when the opportunity presented itself. She was nervous during that performance you mentioned, but she was also very young and basically thrown into this gargantuan fame that could've swallowed anyone alive easily. Mariah was showy countless times on Arsenio Hall while singing Emotions, Vanishing, Vision of Love. She gave the best rendition of Vision of Love on Good Morning America, impeccable, surreal. About her nuances, well, that's what really put her in a league of her own, she wasn't just a singer that could blow, but a singer that could paint beautiful songs with her voice and artistry, what she sung came from her soul rather than somebody else's. I've always loved Whitney, her powerful vocals were unmatched, but Mariah's voice spoke to my soul and the souls of millions of people. When her instrument was in its prime, it was untouchable. I can't imagine Whitney, Chaka or Patti singing "Music Box", "Underneath The Stars", "Melt Away", "Fourth of July", no because they couldn't, but because their artistry wasn't at that level. When Mariah started losing her voice, she's started pushing her writing abilities to the front, it was evident she knew what was happening to her. It is sad, but in my humble opinion, the quality of her voice has always been directly proportional to the quality of her lyrics. When she was in her prime vocally, her lyrics were more poetic, balanced, beautiful, mature, but as the voice started deteriorating, her pen game also changed for the worse. (Monday 6 March 2023; 18:36) this is a reply to message 102,291

The real reason for no respect (102,291) by Randy from USA If you listen to early producers on her album, Narada Michael Walden for example, MC was a perfectionist. She re recorded I Don't Wanna Cry one hundred times until it was perfect. The audience has never seen a showy performance the likes of Whitney, Patti or Christina. And y'all keep talking about the nuances of her voice but to be honest the public doesn't care. Look how nervous she was singing Vision of Love at the 91 Grammys. Fixing her dress constantly. A flat run on "love". She had an amazing voice but didn't know what to do with it. Live performances make you and the only time I've ever seen MC sing beyond what the record entailed was Tokyo Dome in 96. As a songwriter she was unmatched. A friend of mine recently said, she was probably better off as a songwriter producer and Tommy forced her to be a singing star. (Monday 6 March 2023; 00:11)

Tommy forced her to sing? (102,293) by Chicago Lamb from USA All Mariah ever wanted was to be a singer. The genesis of her song writing capability is that she wanted to sing her own songs, not someone else's. Singer/songwriter. She wasn't forced to sing. Her dreams came true with Tommy, he believed in her talent and she believed him. That is until she found him possessive and controlling, but then she was too deeply entangled. Too young to navigate her own voice in their personal relationship. Nobody ever talks about/speculates the songs that may have been written about Tommy from the first 3 albums. When she loved him. (Monday 6 March 2023; 13:32) this is a reply to message 102,291

The real reason for no respect (102,291) by Randy from USA If you listen to early producers on her album, Narada Michael Walden for example, MC was a perfectionist. She re recorded I Don't Wanna Cry one hundred times until it was perfect. The audience has never seen a showy performance the likes of Whitney, Patti or Christina. And y'all keep talking about the nuances of her voice but to be honest the public doesn't care. Look how nervous she was singing Vision of Love at the 91 Grammys. Fixing her dress constantly. A flat run on "love". She had an amazing voice but didn't know what to do with it. Live performances make you and the only time I've ever seen MC sing beyond what the record entailed was Tokyo Dome in 96. As a songwriter she was unmatched. A friend of mine recently said, she was probably better off as a songwriter producer and Tommy forced her to be a singing star. (Monday 6 March 2023; 00:11)

The real reason for no respect (102,292) by Stacey from USA I always enjoy your posts and agree with them 99% of the time. In this case I'm glad Tommy forced her to sing. Her voice is one of a kind and deserved to be heard. (Monday 6 March 2023; 04:47) this is a reply to message 102,291

The real reason for no respect (102,291) by Randy from USA If you listen to early producers on her album, Narada Michael Walden for example, MC was a perfectionist. She re recorded I Don't Wanna Cry one hundred times until it was perfect. The audience has never seen a showy performance the likes of Whitney, Patti or Christina. And y'all keep talking about the nuances of her voice but to be honest the public doesn't care. Look how nervous she was singing Vision of Love at the 91 Grammys. Fixing her dress constantly. A flat run on "love". She had an amazing voice but didn't know what to do with it. Live performances make you and the only time I've ever seen MC sing beyond what the record entailed was Tokyo Dome in 96. As a songwriter she was unmatched. A friend of mine recently said, she was probably better off as a songwriter producer and Tommy forced her to be a singing star. (Monday 6 March 2023; 00:11)

The real reason for no respect (102,291) by Randy from USA If you listen to early producers on her album, Narada Michael Walden for example, MC was a perfectionist. She re recorded I Don't Wanna Cry one hundred times until it was perfect. The audience has never seen a showy performance the likes of Whitney, Patti or Christina. And y'all keep talking about the nuances of her voice but to be honest the public doesn't care. Look how nervous she was singing Vision of Love at the 91 Grammys. Fixing her dress constantly. A flat run on "love". She had an amazing voice but didn't know what to do with it. Live performances make you and the only time I've ever seen MC sing beyond what the record entailed was Tokyo Dome in 96. As a songwriter she was unmatched. A friend of mine recently said, she was probably better off as a songwriter producer and Tommy forced her to be a singing star. (Monday 6 March 2023; 00:11)

Chaka Khan (102,290) by MusicfanJ from Germany Great post. Absolutely yes to this "the fact that she was stunningly beautiful and an equally uniquely phenomenal singer as she was a songwriter, which definitely caused envy, because honestly which one of her contemporaries was actually doing it like her?" I think most of the people were simply jealous of her because of all the reasons. She was too perfect, she had everything. It's like you said, the most wonderful voice, the look and her powerful husband back then. Plus her charisma, charming and sweet. I was just watching "Without you", "One sweet day" and "Thank God I found you" on YouTube, I've watched hundred times in my life and I'm still blown away about her talent and her voice. Plus she has the most beautiful smile and eyes. Superstar power all over. (Sunday 5 March 2023; 17:13) this is a reply to message 102,288

Chaka Khan (102,288) by Mirage_Nunez from America My personal theory is there's multiple layers as to why Mariah was never as celebrated as Whitney (and Beyoncé) ie the industry favorite. I honestly feel like the Whitney comparisons in the beginning is/was a factor. Everyone lauded Whitney as the undisputed best voice ever, until MC hit the scene and shook things up a bit. I believe many people who were diehard Whitney supporters, felt the need to downplay Mariah's talent and success) in solidarity to Whitney Houston. The supposed rivalry created this (most of the time) unspoken great divide. Then there's Tommy. I believe he had a lot to do with her lack of Grammy wins for multiple reasons. I'll start with the fact that he tried to use Mariah passing for white as a privilege. I know first hand that this perception that "Mariah didn't want people to know that she was part black at first" hurt her in the court of public opinion specifically in the black community back then, and maybe in the industry amongst her black peers. Then there's the machine that was behind her, the fact that she was stunningly beautiful and an equally uniquely phenomenal singer as she was a songwriter, which definitely caused envy, because honestly which one of her contemporaries was actually doing it like her? Seriously, until this day nobody is really doing it on the level Mariah did it as a singer/songwriter. So yes people were jealous and bias against her, and what made it worse is that they couldn't honestly with a good heart deny her extraordinary talent. Like many have said, she actually has the chops to back up all the astronomical success she's had. I don't care what generation you come from, one thing that you absolutely can not do is deny Mariah's talent and impact. She's one of the most ordained purposeful artist ever, so trying to discredit her in any way falls very short and holds no weight. I've read the comments and the people ie the general public unanimously agreed that Mariah deserved to be in the top five. That's all that matters. She's always been the peoples champ and not the industry favorite. Like many have stated no amount of payola in the world can cause people to really purchase your music, watch your videos, and curate three decades of continuous organic success. My second favorite female singer is simply straight up jealous of my first favorite, and she resents the fact that her solo career wasn't as illustrious as Mariah's. Also allow me to add that, I specifically liked Chaka Khan with the band Rufus, I may like only a couple of her solo hits, so that's that. Maybe she also resents that her best music is connected to the band and not just her, unlike Mariah who's a stand alone hit maker. (Sunday 5 March 2023; 07:48)

Music this year (102,289) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, sadly the golden days of music are over. I miss heart and soul in the music. In the past we had wonderful melodies with good lyrics or at least music that was fun (like summer hits and so on). Hopefully there will come a time where good music will have a comeback. I listen a lot to Soul and Jazz besides Mariah. And those old songs are all masterpieces and the artists were really artists who could sing or play. It's unbelievable that songs with that quality are often 50-60 years old. (Sunday 5 March 2023; 16:54) this is a reply to message 102,287

Music this year (102,287) by Bobby A from United States Music has been very boring and no excitement on the pop radio this year. I really feel this is the trend that is here to stay for a very long time. I do like the new Kali Uchis album Red Moon On Venus. It is a moody dreamy album about heartbreak. (Saturday 4 March 2023; 18:39)

Chaka Khan (102,288) by Mirage_Nunez from America My personal theory is there's multiple layers as to why Mariah was never as celebrated as Whitney (and Beyoncé) ie the industry favorite. I honestly feel like the Whitney comparisons in the beginning is/was a factor. Everyone lauded Whitney as the undisputed best voice ever, until MC hit the scene and shook things up a bit. I believe many people who were diehard Whitney supporters, felt the need to downplay Mariah's talent and success) in solidarity to Whitney Houston. The supposed rivalry created this (most of the time) unspoken great divide. Then there's Tommy. I believe he had a lot to do with her lack of Grammy wins for multiple reasons. I'll start with the fact that he tried to use Mariah passing for white as a privilege. I know first hand that this perception that "Mariah didn't want people to know that she was part black at first" hurt her in the court of public opinion specifically in the black community back then, and maybe in the industry amongst her black peers. Then there's the machine that was behind her, the fact that she was stunningly beautiful and an equally uniquely phenomenal singer as she was a songwriter, which definitely caused envy, because honestly which one of her contemporaries was actually doing it like her? Seriously, until this day nobody is really doing it on the level Mariah did it as a singer/songwriter. So yes people were jealous and bias against her, and what made it worse is that they couldn't honestly with a good heart deny her extraordinary talent. Like many have said, she actually has the chops to back up all the astronomical success she's had. I don't care what generation you come from, one thing that you absolutely can not do is deny Mariah's talent and impact. She's one of the most ordained purposeful artist ever, so trying to discredit her in any way falls very short and holds no weight. I've read the comments and the people ie the general public unanimously agreed that Mariah deserved to be in the top five. That's all that matters. She's always been the peoples champ and not the industry favorite. Like many have stated no amount of payola in the world can cause people to really purchase your music, watch your videos, and curate three decades of continuous organic success. My second favorite female singer is simply straight up jealous of my first favorite, and she resents the fact that her solo career wasn't as illustrious as Mariah's. Also allow me to add that, I specifically liked Chaka Khan with the band Rufus, I may like only a couple of her solo hits, so that's that. Maybe she also resents that her best music is connected to the band and not just her, unlike Mariah who's a stand alone hit maker. (Sunday 5 March 2023; 07:48) this is a reply to message 102,282

Chaka Khan (102,282) by Bobby A from United States Why do you think that MC is disliked by so many female artists? Could it be the Tommy Motolla effect? How many other female artists have had so enormous push and financial investment from their label like MC had? None that I can think of. From 1990-1999, there were no other female artists bigger than MC and other female singers disliked MC during that time for it. Once the Tommy Mottolla effect wavered, MC's popularity decreased and the haters started speaking. To be honest, Tommy, MC and Sony did make a mighty team during her popularity and chart reign. Taylor Swift would have never had the same chart success like MC did in 90s. And Chaka is just mad because of what she could never achieve as a solo artist like MC did. (Friday 3 March 2023; 23:54)

Music this year (102,287) by Bobby A from United States Music has been very boring and no excitement on the pop radio this year. I really feel this is the trend that is here to stay for a very long time. I do like the new Kali Uchis album Red Moon On Venus. It is a moody dreamy album about heartbreak. (Saturday 4 March 2023; 18:39)

Chaka Khan (102,286) by Chicago Lamb from USA We nor Mariah should take this personally. Chaka speaks her mind, and can shade left and right. It's Chaka's own little way to keep herself relevant. Not saying it's the correct way to express one's self, but that's Chaka. Mariah and others on the "list" are above it. Literally and figuratively. I love Chaka anyway. (Saturday 4 March 2023; 12:56) this is a reply to message 102,284

Chaka Khan (102,284) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter No matter how much money you put on an artist they can't have continuous success if they didn't have an X factor. And Mariah has it. She's not only a remarkable vocalist, she's a songwriter, she had an elusive persona, a sexy girl next door persona, and an outsider looking in persona. There's more to Mariah Carey than her voice, she was the whole package and that's why Tommy's investment paid off. Mariah saw a low phase after Tommy only because he was actively sabotaging her. She came back like a Phoenix with TEOM. How many artists can claim to still be as relevant as her after 3 decades. Haters (like Miss Chaka) can attribute her success to men and labels but Mariah is Mariah because she was born to be a star. Like in Loverboy Mariah should live the motto of "hate on me as much as you want to, you can't do what the [...] I do, bishes be emulating me dailyyyy". (Saturday 4 March 2023; 05:30)

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