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Re: Someone make a list (97,632) (97,636) by Bobby A from United States I just want MC to work with Jazmine Sullivan, H.E.R., Tiara Thomas, Victoria Monet, Bruno Mars, Beyonce, Ledisi, Drake, Ella Mai, Maxwell, Ne-Yo, and Toni Braxton. She always collaborates with artists and songwriters who are hot on the charts. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 13:14)

Re: Covid19 (97,627) (97,635) by TJ from Norway Who would have thought that the supermarket ended up being that. It's like that here as well. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 06:33)

Top 5 music video eras (97,634) by enwar00 from usa 1. Butterfly I mean, no competition. Mariah finally stepped up her music video game and it paid off. Each video was different than the other and they're all my favorites. Honey - sexy and fun, Butterfly - artsy, Breakdown - sleek and colorful, The Roof - sophisticated, My All - classy. 2. The Emancipation of Mimi Stepped it up again and it showed. Right off the bat It's Like That showed this era was going to be something else, something big and exciting. Love the 2-part concept. Shake It Off still makes me laugh. The dark colors in DFAU. Love them all. 3. Caution Can't help but feel these videos were slept on. I do think in time more people will discover and appreciate them as well as the album. Love the deep, rich colors in GTFO. Video fits the slinky song perfectly. With You is classy and beautiful, again fits the song perfectly. Love the blue and pink colors in A No No that represented the Caution era and love the super matte look of the video. I can totally picture this being a video album where all songs had cool videos. Sigh. 4. Emotions Despite everything above, 30 years later ( ) I may go on record saying this song and video are my faves from Mimi. I just love the young, fun, simple, carefree, effervescent vibe of both, the different color tints of the video, and seeing people having fun together... what a concept. Maybe art was imitating life and this was before the drama started. Can't Let Go is another perfect match of song and video, so young but so elegant and classy. This era truly feels underrated yet there's something special about it and about the early 90s in general. Maybe being eternally 12 truly is a thing. 5. #1's/ MIAMTEC Was she a stunner during #1's or what. During those scenes with the pony in I Still Believe, she just exudes so much beauty. You can tell she was happy. And she was showing off the killer bod in Sweetheart. Also Pure Imagination is so random but cute. Can't seem to have a top 5 or top 10 list on this board without a hyphen, tie or honorable mentions so just for laughs, MIAMTEC. Solely because of You're Mine (Eternal). This song is so dreamy and the video makes it even more so. Love the rainforest and her gold dust glitter nymph look, she looks great and her hair is awesome. Still surprised it got so much hate. This is another one I think will age well. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 04:26)

Racism (97,633) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands If you have had enough of messages about racism, please give this message a thumb up and I will close that thread. UPDATE: The fans have spoken: no more posts about racism. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 00:33)

Someone make a list (97,632) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Where's William when you need him? (Saturday 20 March 2021; 00:27)

Re: Stop defending "white" identity (97,629) (97,631) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Lordy me, even if you agree with her racist remarks, don't say it was "well said". Call a spade a spade: it was the prosaic equivalent of polishing a turd. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 00:27)

Re: Stop defending "white" identity (97,626) (97,630) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "'White' people, however, are a pan-European gang who have invaded parts of the world where they do not belong and have engaged in damaging relationships with other human beings and the environment. 'White' does not deserve respect." You can dress up your racism in pseudo-intellectual nonsense all you like - you're just disgusting. I laughed at you for a short while. But actually you just made me feel terribly, terribly sad for you, sweetheart. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 00:23)

Re: Stop defending "white" identity (97,626) (97,629) by Aliya from Canada Well said. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 00:08)

Re: Stop defending "white" identity (97,626) (97,628) by Anonymous from I also concur that Mariah isn't racist and agree with everything you've said however the last paragraph is confusing to me. I'm at a lost if I'm being honest with what's been said, it's hard to digest. I'm also at a loss that if Mariah is indeed racist, why do people still continue to support her, especially going to such lengths like checking a fan site. People are liking posts that refer to Mariah being racist/not liking white yet have not responded to the question. The repetitive saga continues. (Friday 19 March 2021; 22:24)

Re: Covid19 (97,625) (97,627) by MusicfanJ from Germany Hi TJ, I'm very tired too. The highlight of the week is shopping at the supermarket and walking in the woods. I miss the normal life before covid so much. The case numbers are rising up again, it's just depressing. But luckily I'm well (but the nerves are down). I hope you are well too and of course all the other MCA members who have a hard time. (Friday 19 March 2021; 20:49)

Stop defending "white" identity (97,626) by Geronimo from USA The idea that Mariah Carey is racist is absurd on his face. The idea that Mariah Carey panders to a concept of "black nationalism" with a date range next to it is the rhetoric of racists. The suggestion that she pretends to oppose racial justice as a marketing technique is also a racist thing to say. And that type of racism is plentiful on this board. Mariah Carey is a black woman mixed ancestry. Advocating for justice for her people is a duty to her ancestors and her children. Pointing out her mother's participation in the forms of racism available to people when they want to be petty and use power acknowledges what many Black people and others of mixed ancestry have experienced in their families. A person of European ancestry who finds what Mariah Carey says about her family experience to be offensive should ask themselves what cultural blindness and defensiveness makes you doubt something that is an obvious fact of social and family relationships for millions of people. Finally, Mariah Carey and African-Americans more generally, do not need to "like" white people. Any person who dislikes a group of people because they are of European ancestry is a person who has a problem. "White" people, however, are a pan-European gang who have invaded parts of the world where they do not belong and have engaged in damaging relationships with other human beings and the environment. "White" does not deserve respect. The difference between "white people" and people of European ancestry is precisely the difference between those who have invented race and racism (then criticize people who struggle against it however they need to struggle) and those people of European ancestry to whom race and racism has been attached according to social and cultural activities. Only a racist more clever than intelligent would pretend in public that this distinction is not important. (Friday 19 March 2021; 20:09)

Covid19 (97,625) by TJ from Norway How are you guys hanging in? I have nothing to complain about, but are tired of it (and probably complaining). Hope that you all are OK. I'm dedicating "Shake it of" to all of you. (Friday 19 March 2021; 19:09)

Re: Defamation (97,622) (97,624) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands When you say that "white girl who can sing" has the same implied meaning as "white girl who sings black", you mean that only black girls can sing. (Friday 19 March 2021; 14:23)

Re: Defamation (97,622) (97,623) by Bill from the UK Just highlighting the quote was incorrect. Nothing more. (Friday 19 March 2021; 13:58)

Re: Defamation (97,617) (97,622) by Anonymous from United States The implied meaning of George's statement remains the same even if I misquoted him slightly. "White girl who can sing" has the same implied meaning as "white girl who sings black". If you deny this, you're being willfully obtuse. And if I recall correctly, Joe Biden and Donald Trump were not the only two choices on the ballot. Other choices were available. People just chose to see it as a binary choice. (Friday 19 March 2021; 11:55)

Re: Defamation (97,620) (97,621) by Andrew from the United Kingdom You'd be right if you were specifying that my law degree is in English and Welsh Law. But the United States Law is common law and I did read some of it. In any case defamation is a pretty simple concept: a false and/or malicious statement designed to bring damage to someone's reputation through either written or verbal communication (thus, libel or slander). Having read Law for many years, I am pretty careful with what I write. I am interested to hear which part of defamation as pertaining to the United States I do not understand. I do treat most people as persons who have something to teach me. With exceptions made for obvious foolish here. So go for it. It is interesting that those that libel me won't give me their details to allow my solicitor to argue it with them in court. Foolish people should think before they type. (Friday 19 March 2021; 11:55)

Re: Defamation (97,619) (97,620) by Lady B from USA Much like the ex-siblings, Andrew does not understand Defamation Law in the US. (Friday 19 March 2021; 06:03)

Re: Defamation (97,616) (97,619) by RibbonB from USA Perhaps her political opinion this time around is "anybody but dumb assed Donald", the epitome of a racist, hateful, narcissistic, white nationalistic, grifter. He also incited an insurrection based on lies. (Friday 19 March 2021; 01:36)

Re: Defamation (97,615) (97,618) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Human kindness is overflowing, and I think it's gonna rain today. (Friday 19 March 2021; 01:30)

Re: Defamation (97,616) (97,617) by Bill from the UK For the record Nelson George's comment in his review of Mariah's album was that she was a "white girl who can sing", not a "white girl who sings black". (Friday 19 March 2021; 00:15)

Re: Defamation (97,608) (97,616) by Anonymous from United States I don't think Mariah is "anti-white", but I do think she's desperate to be seen as "down" and is constantly pandering to a kind of black cultural nationalism that was popular in the 1960s/70s and is now seeing a resurgence in the United States. I really didn't care for the way she looked down on her father for being a member of the Unitarian Universalist Church and didn't like the derogatory statements she made in her book about how his funeral service was "too white" until she intervened. It made her come off as quite conservative and close-minded. What I don't get is how she can position herself as some kind of "racial justice" advocate and vocally support Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, both of whom have made policy decisions that have had disastrous impacts on working class and poor black Americans (i.e. the 1994 Crime Bill and Mass Incarceration)vand poor/working class people of all backgrounds. But I'm sure Mariah's political analysis probably goes about as deep as "vote Democrat no matter who", so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. No one really talks about this, but black music critic Nelson George was the one who originally referred to Mariah as a "white girl who sings black", which was arguably the genesis of her desire to prove herself as "down". Statements like that emanate from the absurd notion that all black people sing a certain way and all white people sing a certain way or that somehow someone's skin color automatically determines their singing ability. I don't ever remember George apologizing for that statement either. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 23:31)

Re: Defamation (97,611) (97,615) by Anonymous from Not cool at all. As I stick up for Mariah when warranted, I do so for Andy and that's not the case. Wrong to suggest such things. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 22:15)

Re: Defamation (97,610) (97,613) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, there's only one truth. There can be different opinions and points of view but that doesn't change the truth or a lie. What I do believe, Mariah is clearly not "anti-white". Her biggest idol is Marilyn Monroe. But maybe it bothers her that most of her non-fans think she's white. Mariah is so lucky with her talent and beauty, I think she can be very happy with it. I watched "Honey" yesterday and was still blown away by her beauty and the cool video after such a long time. What a woman. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 17:49)

Re: Defamation (97,608) (97,612) by Anonymous from I'm still trying to understand, if Mariah is seen as racist and doesn't like white people then why would yourself and others who feel the same way still continue to support/be a Mariah fan. What am I missing here? Everyone can have differing opinions yes, but if I genuinely felt in my heart of hearts that Mariah is racist towards White, Black or any other race for that matter then I would stop supporting her in a heartbeat. This topic is sensitive and I'm not looking to argue, I'm really trying to comprehend why someone would support another that is supposedly racist. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 17:12)

Re: Defamation (97,609) (97,611) by RL from USA Andrew was not sexualizing a 13 year old. That hyperbolic language is a huge problem and framing it that way is inaccurate. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 14:04)

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